tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8891655385263119308..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Aleksandr Dugin and the Great GameUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82262796039845174052014-03-01T07:24:43.803-08:002014-03-01T07:24:43.803-08:00Anonymous:"Australia is just a vassal of the ...<br /><br />Anonymous:"Australia is just a vassal of the Atlanticist powers, not an independent power. First a vassal of the UK, now a vassal of the US."<br /><br />MMMM, yes, and both America and Britain are Anglo powers, as is Australia. Hence, Anglo makes more sense as a moniker. Plus, it's shorter.Brevity is the soul of wit, dear boy.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous:"It hasn't been autarkic though. It's always been heavily intertwined with the Atlanticists."<br /><br />Well, yes, dear boy. Anglos like doing business with other Anglos. Keeps it in the family. <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous:"Australia is bound to resource extraction as well."<br /><br />Yes indeed.And no one talks it up as a great power. Great powers are not resource extraction economies. Hence, Russia's sad decline.<br /><br />Anonymous:" Most of Chinese economic growth is in consumer goods. China has a long way to go to catch up in military strength. The Russian Far East is far more formidable."<br /><br />For a little while, dear boy. The long term favors China. Russia is facing a terminal eclipse. China is ascending.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1283565996981006712014-02-28T14:31:44.736-08:002014-02-28T14:31:44.736-08:00I'm sure that you are aware, dear boy, of the ...<i>I'm sure that you are aware, dear boy, of the inherent silliness involved in calling antipodean Australia "Atlanticist." Try writing "Anglo." It's shorter.</i><br /><br />Australia is just a vassal of the Atlanticist powers, not an independent power. First a vassal of the UK, now a vassal of the US.<br /><br /><i>Don't know about that one, dear boy. I rather think that Australia is a good deal more "autarkic" (I do so love Continental Cafe Theorist words) and self-contained than Britain, which, last time I checked, needs to import a fair bit of its food...</i><br /><br />It hasn't been autarkic though. It's always been heavily intertwined with the Atlanticists. <br /><br /><i>But for how long, dear boy?Chinese economic strength grows even as we speak, while Russia's economy stays bound to resource extraction. Ominous days ahead, I should think, for the Russian East....</i><br /><br />Australia is bound to resource extraction as well. Most of Chinese economic growth is in consumer goods. China has a long way to go to catch up in military strength. The Russian Far East is far more formidable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49284634223496883652014-02-28T07:09:23.817-08:002014-02-28T07:09:23.817-08:00Anonymous:"No, they can't be separated, s...Anonymous:"No, they can't be separated, since outside the UK, the Atlanticist countries"<br /><br />I'm sure that you are aware, dear boy, of the inherent silliness involved in calling antipodean Australia "Atlanticist." Try writing "Anglo." It's shorter.<br /><br /><br /> Anonymous:"are relatively new outposts tied to sea power that have never been autarkic and self-contained."<br /><br />Don't know about that one, dear boy. I rather think that Australia is a good deal more "autarkic" (I do so love Continental Cafe Theorist words) and self-contained than Britain, which, last time I checked, needs to import a fair bit of its food...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous:"Militarily, yes. Russia can go toe-to-toe with the US militarily."<br /><br />Well, yes. Nukes are the great equalizer.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous:" China is very weak militarily."<br /><br />But for how long, dear boy?Chinese economic strength grows even as we speak, while Russia's economy stays bound to resource extraction. Ominous days ahead, I should think, for the Russian East....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15944333478960982052014-02-27T20:46:54.481-08:002014-02-27T20:46:54.481-08:00Yes, but which comes first, dear boy, the geopolit...<i>Yes, but which comes first, dear boy, the geopolitical bloc or the ties of Angloness (to coin a phrase)? I'm inclined to think that it is the latter that engenders the former.</i><br /><br />No, they can't be separated, since outside the UK, the Atlanticist countries are relatively new outposts tied to sea power that have never been autarkic and self-contained.<br /><br /><i>More formidable than the Anglos? Hardly, dear boy. Russia is a primary resource extraction state these days, far past its Soviet peak.And Johnny Chinaman is swiftly overtaking him.</i><br /><br />Militarily, yes. Russia can go toe-to-toe with the US militarily. China is very weak militarily.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57950440740278199712014-02-27T19:32:36.917-08:002014-02-27T19:32:36.917-08:00In the mood for gender-swapping games, dear boy?
...<i>In the mood for gender-swapping games, dear boy?</i><br /><br />Mood's a thing for cattle, dear girl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37934461393041565832014-02-27T19:23:10.615-08:002014-02-27T19:23:10.615-08:00Anonymous:"Hope is one thing, but how much wo...Anonymous:"Hope is one thing, but how much would Atlanticists be to willing to invest to maintain a dominant presence in the Pacific and Asia? The Atlanticists may care about Australia, but they're not going to care as much, especially ordinary Atlanticist citizens, about Taiwan, Japan, Korea, etc. The only way would be if people believed in some sort of reprise of the Domino Theory."<br /><br /><br />Somehow I knew that the Domino Theory would rear its head once Dugin became a topic...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82158023952791068452014-02-27T19:20:37.738-08:002014-02-27T19:20:37.738-08:00Anonymous:"They're part of the same geopo...<br /><br />Anonymous:"They're part of the same geopolitical bloc."<br /><br />Yes, but which comes first, dear boy, the geopolitical bloc or the ties of Angloness (to coin a phrase)? I'm inclined to think that it is the latter that engenders the former.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous:"Russia is more formidable, especially on it's own turf."<br /><br />More formidable than the Anglos? Hardly, dear boy. Russia is a primary resource extraction state these days, far past its Soviet peak.And Johnny Chinaman is swiftly overtaking him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56898897105991366522014-02-27T19:00:17.292-08:002014-02-27T19:00:17.292-08:00In the mood for gender-swapping games, dear boy?
...<i>In the mood for gender-swapping games, dear boy?</i><br /><br />Mood's a thing for cattle, dear girl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87376161770080357082014-02-27T18:58:03.428-08:002014-02-27T18:58:03.428-08:00There's a lot of love for the Aussies on this ...There's a lot of love for the Aussies on this thread, which gets me thinking: does Australia beat out Italy for the title of "country with the highest approval rating?"wiseguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36096766516503865962014-02-27T18:54:51.223-08:002014-02-27T18:54:51.223-08:00What does this have to do with geopolitics though?...<i>What does this have to do with geopolitics though?</i><br /><br />What doesn't it?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21096366608840612022014-02-27T18:48:46.251-08:002014-02-27T18:48:46.251-08:00Actually, on this point geopolitics does not domin...<i>Actually, on this point geopolitics does not dominate, as the impetus comes from the affinity of one Anglo power (America) for another (Australia).</i><br /><br />They're part of the same geopolitical bloc.<br /><br /><i>MMMM, on the other hand, the whole thing could go balls up on Dugin. after all, the Hitler-Stalin love fest ended rather badly. China might decide that Siberia is ripe for the taking....</i><br /><br />Russia is more formidable, especially on it's own turf. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81790470701333712212014-02-27T18:44:55.582-08:002014-02-27T18:44:55.582-08:00As much as I dislike the corrosive effects of Amer...<i>As much as I dislike the corrosive effects of American hegemony, the way China treats its neighbors, and the way its historical self-image plays into that, moves me to hope that they don't push back anything.</i><br /><br />What does this have to do with geopolitics though? America currently surrounds China and China won't feel entirely secure until America doesn't dominate the Western Pacific and East Asia. Those are all the ingredients you need for conflict.<br /><br />You're also projecting your views on China's neighbors that they don't necessarily share. Many of them are far more anti-Japanese, for example, than anti-Chinese.<br /><br />Hope is one thing, but how much would Atlanticists be to willing to invest to maintain a dominant presence in the Pacific and Asia? The Atlanticists may care about Australia, but they're not going to care as much, especially ordinary Atlanticist citizens, about Taiwan, Japan, Korea, etc. The only way would be if people believed in some sort of reprise of the Domino Theory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80083434417914805422014-02-27T18:41:17.632-08:002014-02-27T18:41:17.632-08:00Anonymous:"That's Dugin's point. Geop...Anonymous:"That's Dugin's point. Geopolitics dominates and we can expect the Atlanticist condominium to rally around Australia in this sort of scenario."<br /><br />Actually, on this point geopolitics does not dominate, as the impetus comes from the affinity of one Anglo power (America) for another (Australia). <br /><br />Anonymous:"The bigger issue is that China wants to push back the American domination of the Pacific and Asia which currently surrounds it towards Hawaii and the eastern Pacific. Now in the Atlantic condiminium, both at the ordinary citizen and political leadership level, there is a greater affinity for Australia and consequently a greater willingness to rally around it than there are for the Asian and Pacific countries."<br /><br />Precisely, dear boy. Australia is a very lovable place for Anglos.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous:" But if the Atlanticists are less willing to rally around the other Asian and Pacific countries, then it may be easier for China to push America back, and consequently Chinese domination of Australia may become easier. So the calculus is tricky here."<br /><br />MMMM, on the other hand, the whole thing could go balls up on Dugin. after all, the Hitler-Stalin love fest ended rather badly. China might decide that Siberia is ripe for the taking....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90577061772807899742014-02-27T17:59:27.532-08:002014-02-27T17:59:27.532-08:00The bigger issue is that China wants to push back ...<i>The bigger issue is that China wants to push back the American domination of the Pacific and Asia which currently surrounds it towards Hawaii and the eastern Pacific.</i><br /><br />As much as I dislike the corrosive effects of American hegemony, the way China treats its neighbors, and the way its historical self-image plays into that, moves me to hope that they don't push back anything.<br /><br />Ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69016681713316239222014-02-27T17:18:00.998-08:002014-02-27T17:18:00.998-08:00I always saw Australia as a cooler, bigger version...<i>I always saw Australia as a cooler, bigger version of SoCal.I would definitely be willing to sign up to defend Australia from the Chinese/Russian condominium.<br /><br />As a Brit many Australians are, quite literally, my family. I too would definitely be willing to sign up to defend Australia from the Chinese/Russian condominium.</i><br /><br />That's Dugin's point. Geopolitics dominates and we can expect the Atlanticist condominium to rally around Australia in this sort of scenario. <br /><br />The bigger issue is that China wants to push back the American domination of the Pacific and Asia which currently surrounds it towards Hawaii and the eastern Pacific. Now in the Atlantic condiminium, both at the ordinary citizen and political leadership level, there is a greater affinity for Australia and consequently a greater willingness to rally around it than there are for the Asian and Pacific countries. But if the Atlanticists are less willing to rally around the other Asian and Pacific countries, then it may be easier for China to push America back, and consequently Chinese domination of Australia may become easier. So the calculus is tricky here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78536961526321994522014-02-27T09:00:15.693-08:002014-02-27T09:00:15.693-08:00By opening Australia's borders to mass immigra...<i>By opening Australia's borders to mass immigration, Australia's Anglo ruling class is already condemning the country to eventual Chinese rule</i><br /><br />But is it the Anglo ruling class driving that. PC dictates they cant have a white Australia policy, who drives that idea? Its true the PC points based immigration system is a slow-motion suicide but its one 'conservatives' can sign up to as they throw away their children's futures.<br /><br />The US/European immigration system is a high-speed suicide of course.<br /><br />And one should note that there are plenty of undesirables turning up in OZ via refugee/asylum status and what I assume is family re-unification. The much vaunted points sytem is thus bypassed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73973192148445444092014-02-27T08:54:06.148-08:002014-02-27T08:54:06.148-08:00I always saw Australia as a cooler, bigger version...<i>I always saw Australia as a cooler, bigger version of SoCal.I would definitely be willing to sign up to defend Australia from the Chinese/Russian condominium.</i><br /><br />As a Brit many Australians are, quite literally, my family. I too would definitely be willing to sign up to defend Australia from the Chinese/Russian condominium.<br /><br />Also East Prussia is far more legitimately German than Australia in any way belongs to China.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3009271590257962112014-02-27T06:33:50.302-08:002014-02-27T06:33:50.302-08:00anonymous:"Don't give me reason to, dear ...anonymous:"Don't give me reason to, dear girl."<br /><br />In the mood for gender-swapping games, dear boy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31621088468188242652014-02-27T00:49:49.738-08:002014-02-27T00:49:49.738-08:00"By opening Australia's borders to mass i..."By opening Australia's borders to mass immigration, Australia's Anglo ruling class is already condemning the country to eventual Chinese rule."<br /><br />The main thing people should take from the recording of Nuland discussing who should rule Ukraine isn't just relevant to Ukraine.<br /><br />The people who run US imperial policy consistently work to put their cousins in power in Western countries e.g. Hollande, Sarkozy, Miliband, Cameron, Shatter, John Key etc.<br /><br />And if there are no cousins available then non-cousins who are either corruptable, blackmailable or who have a historical grudge against Anglos that blinds them to the long-term consequences for their own people.<br /><br />The people running US imperial policy are actively seeking to drive the Western nations over a cliff.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42326624090078882912014-02-26T20:27:47.632-08:002014-02-26T20:27:47.632-08:00Don't tempt me, dear boy.
Don't give me r...<i>Don't tempt me, dear boy.</i><br /><br />Don't give me reason to, dear girl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47828962303678707032014-02-26T18:20:14.470-08:002014-02-26T18:20:14.470-08:00Anonymous:"By opening Australia's borders...Anonymous:"By opening Australia's borders to mass immigration, Australia's Anglo ruling class is already condemning the country to eventual Chinese rule."<br /><br />But one must contend with that damned word, "eventual." Surely Dugin, late at night, staring at his gilt-framed portrait of Alexander III, ponders ways to accelerate the process. Why not 1 million Han Chinese a year?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5720968906769348072014-02-26T18:13:47.997-08:002014-02-26T18:13:47.997-08:00Anonymous:"He's obviously very angry abou...Anonymous:"He's obviously very angry about the neocons doing all of the above to Russia and dreams of payback. I wish he didn't confuse the neocons with the American people though."<br /><br />What are the neocons but the distillation of Anglo thought, with their soul-destroying interest in markets and capitalism?The Russian soul balks at the Anglo spirit, with its Adam Smith and Francis Bacon. <br /><br />Russia expands with love; hence, it expands across land. The Anglos expand with thoughts only of money; hence they expand via water.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51335759854523122482014-02-26T18:11:44.185-08:002014-02-26T18:11:44.185-08:00He's obviously very angry about the neocons do...<i>He's obviously very angry about the neocons doing all of the above to Russia and dreams of payback. I wish he didn't confuse the neocons with the American people though.</i><br /><br />This kind of thinking predates and goes beyond the neocons and their views of Russia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67757975137265226342014-02-26T18:11:07.285-08:002014-02-26T18:11:07.285-08:00... to a true blue Anglo like myself, anything tha...<i>... to a true blue Anglo like myself, anything that would blithely condemn Australia (a fellow Anglo nation)to Chinese rule is the height of evil.</i><br /><br />By opening Australia's borders to mass immigration, Australia's Anglo ruling class is already condemning the country to eventual Chinese rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83377141910559061232014-02-26T18:08:38.001-08:002014-02-26T18:08:38.001-08:00Anonymous:"He's obviously very angry abou...Anonymous:"He's obviously very angry about the neocons doing all of the above to Russia and dreams of payback. I wish he didn't confuse the neocons with the American people though."<br /><br />Don't be so shallow, dear boy. We are in deep waters now. Do you imagine that a thinker of Dugin's calibre extends his historical horizon only as far back as the last 20 odd years. Hardly. this is about avenging the Great Schism of 1054. This is Russia assuming its place as the 3rd Rome. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com