tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8965608839123525188..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "Tell Me a State’s Fertility Rate, and I’ll Tell You How It Voted"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50453578759997094332012-11-24T15:59:32.997-08:002012-11-24T15:59:32.997-08:00People in their 50's are not generation x they...People in their 50's are not generation x they are considered the younger babybommres born in the 1950's and they certainly didn't have 3 to 4 kids they were even lower than the older babyboomers who got married at a younger age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52405410735336527922012-11-22T20:18:40.529-08:002012-11-22T20:18:40.529-08:00"Demography is destiny.
That is all."...<i>"Demography is destiny.<br /> That is all."<br /><br /> Then how come Jews, at 2% of the US population, comprise the ruling elite of this nation?<br /> And how come Mexico, though only 5% white, is still ruled by whites?<br /> How come gays, at 2% of the population, are more powerful than tens of millions of Evangelicals.<br /> How come most of Latin America are still run by white elites? </i><br /><br />Actually, while not the best examples, those <i>are</i> examples of demography being destiny. Part of the meaning of the phrase is that the traits of the population in question are going to go a long way to determine the sort of society that emerges. More powerfully: If the numbers of [X people or Y traits] are great enough, if intentions are incompatible with the qualities of the population at large then intentions will simply no longer matter; the weight of numbers will prove decisive. For instance, if you want to have a society in which secular scientific views hold sway it's going to be impossible to achieve it if the number of people whose ability to hold secular scientific views and to make life decisions on the basis of them is severely constrained grows large enough.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7652093178222412372012-11-22T16:29:46.612-08:002012-11-22T16:29:46.612-08:00It's amazing how many conservatives seem to th...<i>It's amazing how many conservatives seem to think political alignment is as heritable as eye color. As if there are no conservatives with kids who turn liberal as soon as they go off to college or realize they're gay or simply have more sensitivity than a stone. </i><br /><br />It doesn't have to be completely heritable for the effect to work. It'll take longer than if it were completely heritable, but in the long-run 'liberalism' - particularly in the sense of its disastrous social mores - is a spent force. Also, one hundred years ago liberalism was based on telling uncomfortable truths; today it's based on outrageous reality-denial. So liberalism's ability to lure conservatives based on the attraction of it possessing the latest, flashiest, cutting-edge rationality is severely diminished (although it can continue to float on the basis of feel-good fantasies for some time yet). <br /><br />Religion's the only exception - and libs can be useful here against fundies - but contrary to what libs think religion can survive and thrive even if people don't actually believe in the religion's content. Religion is as much the outward expression of inner attitude/outlook toward life as it is specific religious content. Conflict between religions is, likewise, based as much on cultural identity than religious content. (Participants claim otherwise, of course, but I think there's hope that one day we could be more honest about what we're doing.) People raised in religious households who realize the content is BS tend swear off religion forever. Whereas people who cease believing the content of one religion often investigate the content of other religions to see whether something more rationally palatable is on offer. These people tend to wind up practising faith of one kind or another again even if they don't believe its content, or else they defend the institution of religion even while having no faith of their own.<br /><br />Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3792037487947250402012-11-22T15:44:24.137-08:002012-11-22T15:44:24.137-08:00Upper middle class Generation X was horrified by t...<i>Upper middle class Generation X was horrified by their Baby Boomer parents divorcing and so decided to do Helicopter Parenting on their 3-4 children.</i><br /><br />Generation X didn't exactly have the economic opportunities available to Baby Boomers or Generation Y. So why more fertility? Unless it is (relative) poverty rather than wealth that drives it up.Saberdancemetriciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31220207469037572992012-11-22T09:33:04.099-08:002012-11-22T09:33:04.099-08:00Here's liberal fertility:
Baby Boomer generat...Here's liberal fertility:<br /><br />Baby Boomer generation - 0-2 children per Professional SWPL Couple.<br /><br />Generation X - 3-4 Children per Professional SWPL Couple.<br /><br />Generation Y - 0-2 Children per Professional SWPL Couple.<br /><br />Millenials - ???<br /><br />You people talking about 3-4 children are talking about liberal SWPL parents in their 40's and 50's. It doesn't apply to the youngest SWPL liberals.<br /><br />Upper middle class Generation X was horrified by their Baby Boomer parents divorcing and so decided to do Helicopter Parenting on their 3-4 children.<br /><br />These people are in their 40's and 50's. They are NOT 12-39.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42709245448463027322012-11-21T20:31:48.901-08:002012-11-21T20:31:48.901-08:00Well, take the Reagan kids. Mike the adopted one h...Well, take the Reagan kids. Mike the adopted one has been an old fashion conservative for years but Patti and Ronnie are liberal and decease Maureen was a moderate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24569102248371958012012-11-21T19:12:49.830-08:002012-11-21T19:12:49.830-08:00It's amazing how many conservatives seem to th...<i>It's amazing how many conservatives seem to think political alignment is as heritable as eye color. As if there are no conservatives with kids who turn liberal as soon as they go off to college or realize they're gay or simply have more sensitivity than a stone.</i><br /><br />It also depends on how well parents treat their kids. Often abuse produces hypersensitivity and (post-adolescent) rebellion. I'm not saying that all or even most conservatives are child-beating SOBs, just too many. And plenty of liberals abuse their kids too, just in different ways (i.e. verbal guilt trips).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82796491696590790922012-11-21T17:40:47.475-08:002012-11-21T17:40:47.475-08:00Don't worry, the Dark Enlightenment brigade wi...Don't worry, the Dark Enlightenment brigade will minimize the losses. Also we poach the best (not necessarily the best-credentialed, that is a different kettle of fish) from your side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51250621705500076132012-11-21T13:59:59.882-08:002012-11-21T13:59:59.882-08:00"Similarly, white cons should forget about th..."Similarly, white cons should forget about the 'white race' as a whole, and think in terms of 'white conservative race'. As long as white conservatives have lots of kids, the future will belong to them."<br /><br />It's amazing how many conservatives seem to think political alignment is as heritable as eye color. As if there are no conservatives with kids who turn liberal as soon as they go off to college or realize they're gay or simply have more sensitivity than a stone. <br /><br />So by all means, conservatives. Have lots of kids. The brainy and sensitive ones will end up as the next generation of liberals. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19787741217706648732012-11-21T12:15:28.841-08:002012-11-21T12:15:28.841-08:00I think I detect Steve's First Law of Female J...<i>I think I detect Steve's First Law of Female Journalism here, no doubt Ms. Sandler is either childless or is guilty about spending so much time on her career instead of raising her kids.</i><br /><br />"I’m Lauren Sandler, a journalist and author...I’ve reported on a range of topics from women’s rights in Iraq to the cover story for Time that led to my current book, One and Only. I’m an only child, and the mother of one. As a reporter I wanted to investigate what it means to have more of us, and why we seem so damned for it, as parents and children. In the book—and here online—I question our assumptions, and consider whether stopping at one might be liberating to parents everywhere. You’ll be surprised at what I’ve learned. (I might have even cracked the code of motherhood and modernity.)"<br />-laurensandler.com<br /><br />Not so far off...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9461127629999241212012-11-21T08:06:41.050-08:002012-11-21T08:06:41.050-08:00"BY LAUREN SANDLER"
I think I detect St..."BY LAUREN SANDLER"<br /><br />I think I detect Steve's First Law of Female Journalism here, no doubt Ms. Sandler is either childless or is guilty about spending so much time on her career instead of raising her kids.<br /><br />Other than that it's just more rah-rah cheerleading for women who slut it up in the big city and work meaningless paper-pushing office jobs instead of starting a family. We've already seen the first salvo of articles about "I DON'T REGRET MY CHOICES EVEN THOUGH I'M GOING TO DIE ALONE", look for the avalanche to pick up in coming years. Mannerheimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84621236047316960212012-11-21T05:49:28.976-08:002012-11-21T05:49:28.976-08:00Instead of increasing white births decease hispani...Instead of increasing white births decease hispanic births. Hispanics are in blue and purple states with the exception of Arizona and Texas. Liberals love to get birthrates down. So allow liberals to tell Mexican kids in California which they have already since teen births have actually dropped there a lot to continue to have less babies for the good of the enviroment. Liberals willl pushed down Santa Ana from 8.9 to Mission Viejo 4.8 average for 5 year olds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40903916475144909752012-11-20T21:52:01.664-08:002012-11-20T21:52:01.664-08:00"If so many Whites are having so many childre..."If so many Whites are having so many children how come they're being demographically wiped out?"<br /><br />You gotta stop thinking in terms of 'whites'. The reason why white demographics seems depressed is because too many white liberals don't have lots of kids. But if white cons have lots of kids, white cons can eventually win. <br />Look, if white conservative women have 4 kids each, their population will double exponentially every 35 yrs. <br />So, never mind the overall white demographics. Just focus on the CORE white conservative demographics. White liberals are race traitors anyway. <br /><br />It's what the Orthodox Jews understand. Secular Jews may not have lots of kids, but Orthodox Jews have lots of kids. Eventually orthodox Jews will become the majority of the Jewish community. <br /><br />All white conservatives should think like Mormons. Mormons don't think of the white community as a whole. Why, that would be demoralizing since too many whites don't have kids and have no sense of values. White Mormons focus on Mormon numbers, and since Mormon numbers are rising, they keep having babies. As long as they focus on the growing Mormon community, they are filled with pride and a sense of community. <br /><br />Similarly, white cons should forget about the 'white race' as a whole, and think in terms of 'white conservative race'. As long as white conservatives have lots of kids, the future will belong to them. Dr. Ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73742331945067771642012-11-20T21:34:34.292-08:002012-11-20T21:34:34.292-08:00Because the USA takes in over 1 million LEGAL immi...<i>Because the USA takes in over 1 million LEGAL immigrants each year who are overwhelmingly nonwhite.</i><br /><br />This is compounded by the fact that probably an overwhelming majority of immigrants are of childbearing age, but many or most have not yet begun to have children. They wind up comprising a disproportionate share of the childbearing population of the US. Whether uneducated immigrants from Mexico, or educated immigrants from India, what we import, essentially, is a ticking fertility bomb.<br /><br /><i>"So being realistic, it is imperative to have a White fertility rate as high as possible. This means teen pregnancies, and continued pregnancies."</i><br /><br />Oh bullshit. Having a child in your teens reduces long-term fertility, at least for whites. White women who have children as teenagers have fewer children, long-term, than white women who begin having children in their early twenties. Plus it makes you look like a skank ho, even if you aren't. Go to college, stay reasonably chaste, date a guy you want to marry, get a degree, marry ASAP after college, don't eff around pursuing a graduate degree - that is the path to maximum fertility (and happiness, if surveys are to be believed).Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14149673446279643962012-11-20T20:54:05.707-08:002012-11-20T20:54:05.707-08:00This trend isn't exact. Alabama and West Virgi...This trend isn't exact. Alabama and West Virginia are red state outliers with relatively low fertility rates. <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_fertility_rateAnonyianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-850007693830063672012-11-20T20:32:59.110-08:002012-11-20T20:32:59.110-08:00Like I said, Whites have to be realistic. This is ...<i>Like I said, Whites have to be realistic. This is Northern Greater Mexico now. No question it is. And the nuclear family, monogamy, marriage, is not coming back. Ever. Women having tasted freedom to pursue Alpha males up through their thirties, are not going to settle for some doofus who doesn't turn on all their friends, or who doesn't order people around. But instead works for a living Mon-Fri. That's the mark of loserdom.<br /><br />So being realistic, it is imperative to have a White fertility rate as high as possible. This means teen pregnancies, and continued pregnancies. Thats what matters. Nothing else</i><br /><br /><br />Whiskey, maybe you could set up some modern day <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn" rel="nofollow">Lebensborn </a>program and allow alphas like you to impregnate as many white women as possible who could then go to these special maternity homes and not have to deal with social scorn. Or would that conflict with your Judeophilia ?Beecher Asburynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66753618012904675152012-11-20T20:28:31.357-08:002012-11-20T20:28:31.357-08:00If so many Whites are having so many children how ...<i>If so many Whites are having so many children how come they're being demographically wiped out?</i><br /><br />Because the USA takes in over 1 million LEGAL immigrants each year who are overwhelmingly nonwhite. And they have been doing this for about 40 years. Add to that the illegals that get in and have anchor babies, and you simply have too much to overcome even if whites are having a reasonable amount of children. <br /><br />As a comparison look at immigration from 1925 to 1965 when we were under the Immigration Act of 1924. During this period we only took in around 180K immigrants per year. This was also the time of the post war baby boom. <br /><br />Now you have 7 to 10 times the immigration levels, legal and illegal combined, and white fertility is not near the baby boom years. So it is not hard to see why they are being replaced.Beecher Asburynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88948124006927117702012-11-20T19:55:00.592-08:002012-11-20T19:55:00.592-08:00Ms. Sandler displays a remarkable ability to take ...Ms. Sandler displays a remarkable ability to take an interesting idea and completely misrepresent in a way to fit the liberal orthodoxy, even expanding it into a glorious vision of the ascendance of the single female demographic to utter political dominance, all while getting in plenty of gratuitous digs at the kind of people who watch Fox News.<br /><br />The readership of New York Magazine demands confirmation of their misconceptions, and Lauren Sandler is there to deliver. Atta girl.Rev. Righthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10165887113835960014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42166270836647103522012-11-20T19:26:51.722-08:002012-11-20T19:26:51.722-08:00If so many Whites are having so many children how ...If so many Whites are having so many children how come they're being demographically wiped out?anony-mousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38375978601485429742012-11-20T18:47:41.065-08:002012-11-20T18:47:41.065-08:00"And with an increasingly liberal bloc of mot..."And with an increasingly liberal bloc of mothers — like the ones who renewed Obama’s lease on the Oval Office in massive numbers — perhaps it’s not impossible to imagine electing a woman who opted for her own one-child family so she could dedicate herself to a world outside the home." LOL wut? The model for the single mothers they're talking about isn't Murphy Brown but that minimum-wage single mother of two in Ohio from that Times article earlier in the year who was compared to her married counterpart as an example of how far single motherhood sets women and children back in terms of inequality.Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60572696966122951272012-11-20T18:45:37.757-08:002012-11-20T18:45:37.757-08:00"At this rate, if Utah and Vermont had equal ..."<i>At this rate, if Utah and Vermont had equal populations today and there was no migration in or out of either state, in two generations there would be three times more children in Utah than in Vermont.</i>"<br /><br />Half a century from now, the White-American population may be fast approaching 10% Amish and 10% Mormon, if those groups maintain their current fertility rates indefinitely.Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32609874022321959932012-11-20T18:14:06.152-08:002012-11-20T18:14:06.152-08:00"In the three houses that adjoin my yard, fiv..."In the three houses that adjoin my yard, five children have been born in the last half decade."<br /><br />Is that a lot or a little? <br /><br />White or not, isn't it the case that where women can get advanced education and careers fertility drops? I don't know a whole lot of working women with more than 2 kids. Though maybe it's just my environment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25882659010754508102012-11-20T17:10:29.278-08:002012-11-20T17:10:29.278-08:00"As far as Warren goes, she's part of the..."As far as Warren goes, she's part of the problem, and a symptom of the rot. She's childless, claimed to be American Indian..."<br /><br />Elizabeth Warren has two kids and several grandchildren. She's written two books with her daughter. Is there anything you're NOT wrong about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52272701152009652842012-11-20T16:59:51.428-08:002012-11-20T16:59:51.428-08:00"In fairness, Spengler beat you by about a mo..."In fairness, Spengler beat you by about a month."<br /><br />Way back on July 20, 2000, I wrote in VDARE:<br /><br />"Our most liberal state, Vermont (which is represented in Congress by Socialist Bernie Sanders), has the lowest birthrate at only 1.57 babies per woman. In contrast, our most socially conservative state, Mormon-dominated Utah, has the highest fertility at 2.71. That's 73% more babies per woman. At this rate, if Utah and Vermont had equal populations today and there was no migration in or out of either state, in two generations there would be three times more children in Utah than in Vermont."Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74007724694147056072012-11-20T16:54:14.588-08:002012-11-20T16:54:14.588-08:00"For all the tut-tutting about white fertilit..."For all the tut-tutting about white fertility, in the southern San Fernando Valley I'm surrounded by upper middle class whites with three and four kids each."<br /><br />In the three houses that adjoin my yard, five children have been born in the last half decade.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.com