tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post9075883632350352683..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The Triumph of the NerdsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger166125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47184632876161560362011-06-23T17:26:09.359-07:002011-06-23T17:26:09.359-07:00I get the sense that a lot of people here men in t...I get the sense that a lot of people here men in their 50's who are pretty clueless about younger people. Playing XBOX does not make you a nerd. Texting has nothing to do with nerdiness.ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27222554306474790302011-05-01T11:28:49.171-07:002011-05-01T11:28:49.171-07:00"kurt9 said...
I don't know if this ..."kurt9 said...<br /><br /> I don't know if this is a nerd thing or not. But something that irritates me endlessly about IT and software people is their pointless screwing around. Hardware engineers, say, a materials science engineer or an aircraft designer design and make changes in their designs for sound engineering reasons. Products from these industries do not change unless their is a real improvement in the technology. For example, gas turbine generators remain the same for years at at time.<br /><br /> Software and IT people, on the other hand, do all kinds of pointless screwing around and change software and websites all the time when there is either superficial improvements or no improvements at all. The constant updating you always have to do with the OS and applications, even for minor changes, is an example of this.<br /><br /> Software and IT people seem to have fundamentally different worldviews than, say, a rocket engineer or a materials science engineer. This makes such people highly annoying.<br /> <br />4/27/11 2:39 PM <br />kurt9 said...<br /><br /> Another difference between real (hardware) engineers and software/IT people is that real engineers tend to have real lives. They are often married with or without kids. If not married or without kids, they still have well-rounded lives with hobbies and sports. They might do wind-surfing, rock climbing, or tinkering with motorcycles in their garage."<br /><br />Probably both differences are the same difference - my theory: "IT engineers" are nor really "engineers", they are more of the "thinker"/"intelectual" type (the kind of person who, in other times, will be a mathematician or a philosopher, or even a scientist, but not an engineer); because the favorite hobby of this people is to think, they are allays thinking in changes to do in the OS, in the wikipedia article, etc. And, exactly because that, they are relatively low interested in things like sports or hobbies (unless these hobbies are of the extreme intellectual type, like strategy games or something).Miguel Madeirahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07382939732567489809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79499458713644648452011-04-27T17:29:56.233-07:002011-04-27T17:29:56.233-07:00I think that may be more of a blue/red state thing...<i>I think that may be more of a blue/red state thing. Windsurfing and rockclimbing are easier to do in rural areas for the obvious reasons.</i><br /><br />Maybe not. The coastal pacific northwest is very blue (I mean, it doesn't get more blue than Seattle) with lots of SWPL's hanging about. Yet, it also a big scene for outdoor sports. Same with California.<br /><br />Also, I lived in the most crowded, zoo-like city in the world, Tokyo, and I managed to do lots of hiking, climbing, and other outdoor activities.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51835949428132042912011-04-27T15:50:42.525-07:002011-04-27T15:50:42.525-07:00"Software and IT people, on the other hand, d..."Software and IT people, on the other hand, do all kinds of pointless screwing around and change software and websites all the time when there is either superficial improvements or no improvements at all. The constant updating you always have to do with the OS and applications, even for minor changes, is an example of this."<br /><br />I think this has more to do with the industry business model. They could theoretically make a product that would last for years, but it's more money for them to force you to keep upgrading--and Microsoft's monopoly power lets them do it.<br /><br />"Another difference between real (hardware) engineers and software/IT people is that real engineers tend to have real lives. They are often married with or without kids. If not married or without kids, they still have well-rounded lives with hobbies and sports. They might do wind-surfing, rock climbing, or tinkering with motorcycles in their garage."<br /><br />I think that may be more of a blue/red state thing. Windsurfing and rockclimbing are easier to do in rural areas for the obvious reasons.<br /><br />You might have the same genotype expressing different phenotypes in different areas. Sensitive artsy types might write country songs in a red state and rock songs in a blue state, for example. "Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow up to Be Cowboys" made this clear to me--"he'd rather write you a song than buy you silver or gold". The 'cowboy' is, in fact, an artist, though of course he'd never call himself such a sissy thing. But country songs can nonetheless be quite emotionally powerful.SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29596748588201717422011-04-27T14:44:10.390-07:002011-04-27T14:44:10.390-07:00Another difference between real (hardware) enginee...Another difference between real (hardware) engineers and software/IT people is that real engineers tend to have real lives. They are often married with or without kids. If not married or without kids, they still have well-rounded lives with hobbies and sports. They might do wind-surfing, rock climbing, or tinkering with motorcycles in their garage. <br /><br />In other words, such engineers have a life. Software/IT geeks do not.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76762757498903090442011-04-27T14:39:54.642-07:002011-04-27T14:39:54.642-07:00I don't know if this is a nerd thing or not. B...I don't know if this is a nerd thing or not. But something that irritates me endlessly about IT and software people is their pointless screwing around. Hardware engineers, say, a materials science engineer or an aircraft designer design and make changes in their designs for sound engineering reasons. Products from these industries do not change unless their is a real improvement in the technology. For example, gas turbine generators remain the same for years at at time.<br /><br />Software and IT people, on the other hand, do all kinds of pointless screwing around and change software and websites all the time when there is either superficial improvements or no improvements at all. The constant updating you always have to do with the OS and applications, even for minor changes, is an example of this. <br /><br />Software and IT people seem to have fundamentally different worldviews than, say, a rocket engineer or a materials science engineer. This makes such people highly annoying.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4336367327566957682011-04-27T13:13:01.744-07:002011-04-27T13:13:01.744-07:00"Udolpho is an intersesting character. Him an..."Udolpho is an intersesting character. Him and his entourage seem obsessed with seeking out and mocking nerds/geeks/dorks or goons as they say. Not that theres anything wrong with that. I figure he's a much higher functioning nerd who is disgusted by the worst aspects of nerdiness he has witnessed on the internet."<br /><br />I think he works in IT. If he's a very normal, un-nerdy guy, the Aspergers would annoy him more. <br /><br />Of course, I'm a nerd, so I'm rooting for the geeks at his job to dip him in a giant vat of Mountain Dew and leave him in front of a TV set watching the entire original Star Trek series. Just like any Red Sox fan despising the Yankees. I gotta root for my team, you know? ;)SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40059698793430999112011-04-27T11:33:27.969-07:002011-04-27T11:33:27.969-07:00Udolpho is an intersesting character. Him and his ...Udolpho is an intersesting character. Him and his entourage seem obsessed with seeking out and mocking nerds/geeks/dorks or goons as they say. Not that theres anything wrong with that. I figure he's a much higher functioning nerd who is disgusted by the worst aspects of nerdiness he has witnessed on the internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89988669042968875882011-04-27T10:19:46.930-07:002011-04-27T10:19:46.930-07:00"Then who, pretel, do you consider charismati..."Then who, pretel, do you consider charismatic?"<br /><br />Ronald Reagan was charismatic. He supported massive government spending and growth for the military, and the amnesty that got the ball rolling. Still many Americans who consider themselves cultural conservatives, who support law-and-order, traditional values and smaller government claim to be waiting for the next Reagan. Go figure! <br /><br />I haven't checked today, but are flags flying at half staff after the passing of Hubert Schlafly? Maybe he'll be the second individual with a national holiday in his honor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52651493588892699752011-04-27T08:34:33.691-07:002011-04-27T08:34:33.691-07:00"Is a nerd someone without social skills, or ..."Is a nerd someone without social skills, or someone smart who finds math and science and technology interesting?"<br /><br />Nerds are kind of like Jazz; if you have to ask what they are, you'll never know.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15959538981094252932011-04-27T06:50:07.511-07:002011-04-27T06:50:07.511-07:00"I'd say that most non-blacks find blacks..."I'd say that most non-blacks find blacks to be too different to relate to as charismatic, and that is especially true on a personal level. It takes a lot of media manipulation to pass off an Obama, Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to the public at-large."<br /><br />That's my take too. Blacks we would find charismatic would probably not be popular in their own race.<br /> The word charisma was first widely used for JFK, comparing him with Nixon. Before 1960 "youthful, handsome and charming" would have sufficed. But the media age was on, and new words were pressed into service. Charisma evoked, more than anything, something mysterious and ineffable, hiding in plain sight. The charismatic individual speaks volumes with but few, well-chosen words rather than saying little with many, meaningless words he scarcely understands. A charismatic man does not require a constant teleprompter but is capable of conversing intelligently on subjects about which he should know, and know well. <br />His is a personality--as opposed to mere looks--that seems more entrancing and beautiful than the normal person.<br />Before the 60s were over, they started using "charismatic" for people like Charles Manson, and you knew it was all over for that brave new word. Inevitably it was applied to the lowest of cultural icons.<br />As far as the preachers and pols sited as examples, they are not charismatic. They're just loud and in your face, doing what comes naturally, and low in any detectable intellect. Do they make you want to know more about their inner workings? Do they seem to hold some secret to the universe? Is your imagination awakened by their subtle, poetic rhetoric? Do you aspire to be like them? If all this is true for you, then maybe they are "charismatic." For you. <br /><br />As for the black Russian, naturally he stands out where he is, and since he's only one, he probably does what he can to please the majority. Perhaps he is charming to them and appears to have their interests at heart. Why else does a politician run, right? As long as there's just one of him, voting him into "power" is just an amusing pc exercise, much promoted even there. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the same media-brokers that put Obama where he is, aren't doing the same thing elsewhere for reasons of their own. <br />Mae West hands her mink to the coat-check girl who exclaims, "My goodness what a coat! <br />Mae West, "Goodness had nothing to do with it."<br />Substitute charisma for goodness and you get the picture.dcitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82269160085555309762011-04-27T06:18:08.383-07:002011-04-27T06:18:08.383-07:00Udolpho-- millions of people like that movie, it&#...Udolpho-- millions of people like that movie, it's considered ordinary)<br /><br />Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88993639903226201722011-04-26T23:43:15.553-07:002011-04-26T23:43:15.553-07:00Sounds more Celtic than Anglo-Saxon, though.
Wel...<i>Sounds more Celtic than Anglo-Saxon, though.</i> <br /><br />Well there's a real can of worms for you.<br /><br />BTW, Duns is just <a href="http://www.northumbrian-cottages.info/images/northumbria-map-large.jpg" rel="nofollow">outside of Northumbria</a>, so <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duns_Scotus" rel="nofollow">Scotus</a> may have had some Danish blood in him [to go with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picts" rel="nofollow">Pictish</a>].<br /><br />But Duns is also pretty far east, so I don't know what he would have had in the way of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dal_Riata" rel="nofollow">Dal Riatan</a> ancestry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38200953696427041732011-04-26T22:15:13.492-07:002011-04-26T22:15:13.492-07:00Is a nerd someone without social skills, or someon...Is a nerd someone without social skills, or someone smart who finds math and science and technology interesting? Or someone who finds other nerdy things (SF, comic books, complicated elaborate games, computers) interesting? <br /><br />If the first, then nerds have been with us forever (talent for reading and responding to social situations is probably distributed in a way not unlike intelligence--a bell curve, but with the left tail fattened by some people with some pattern of social-skill problems that goes beyond just ending up on the left tail of the distribution). Some occupations require super sharp social skills--you're probably not going to see a lot of salesmen with Aspergers. Others don't--historically, smart people with lousy social skills have often ended up as engineers or scientists, because those fields demand intelligence, but also don't demand great social skills. Programming is another field like that. I don't know what dumb people with lousy social skills end up doing. <br /><br />If the second, then as someone else said, human progress is largely based on nerds. (But then you've got to call someone like Ben Franklin a nerd, which doesn't quite ring true.) <br /><br />If the third, then nerdiness has become mainstream. SF and comic books are the basis for all kinds of movies, mostly pretty bad, some fairly good. <br /><br />One thing I suspect has changed over time: as nerdiness has become more acceptable socially, more people are willing to be openly nerdy in their interests, appearance, and lifestyle. Just as many a closet atheist went to church every Sunday when that was the price of admission to polite society, many a closet nerd made small-talk about football or the weather when he'd have preferred to be talking about Star Trek or the latest Heinlein novel. And in both cases, it's not longer necessary to pretend, and so many people don't. <br /><br />I'm entirely capable of chatting about normal interests, and do with my neighbors from time to time. But when I'm with my work friends, all nerds by definition #2, many by definitions #3 and #1, we have much more interesting conversations about politics, science, history, technology, the news, etc.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25438743198991240962011-04-26T20:42:34.140-07:002011-04-26T20:42:34.140-07:00You admitted on your blog that you like to play vi...<i>You admitted on your blog that you like to play video games like Bioshock and (snicker) Ghostbusters. Let me ask you a question, blogger boy. Do you get excited when they play the theme from Ghostbusters in that game? Do you really feel that you're fighting ghosts and stuff? LOL!</i><br /><br />are you for real? does this approach <i>ever</i> produce results?<br /><br />(by the way for your tryhard riffing on Ghostbusters to produce results, you'll have to tie it into something embarrassing like photos of me dressed as Peter Venkman or my Ford Probe Ghostmobile...millions of people like that movie, it's considered ordinary)Udolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21454810135562095962011-04-26T20:35:05.660-07:002011-04-26T20:35:05.660-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dr. Stephen J. Krune IIIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07883514471341513380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49838187095960605262011-04-26T20:08:29.222-07:002011-04-26T20:08:29.222-07:00... the Indian Pale Ales
Try Sierra Nevada pale...<i>... the Indian Pale Ales </i><br /><br />Try Sierra Nevada pale ale.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3812800901608175492011-04-26T18:35:15.670-07:002011-04-26T18:35:15.670-07:00A good looking guy into computers is called a nerd...A good looking guy into computers is called a nerd. A nerd in the rock scene is called a star.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54881385867423531522011-04-26T18:33:20.137-07:002011-04-26T18:33:20.137-07:00Udolpho wrote: apparently some people are quite se...Udolpho wrote: apparently some people are quite sensitive about their lifestyles as obese, dysfunctional adult children and we call these people "nerds"<br /><br /><br />Uh, that's not completely true my friend. A nerd can be an accomplished man who doesn't play video games or read comic books. You want to create some sort of separate category for guys who can think abstractly and thirty year old geeky men who can't wait to see that new Transformers movie. Sorry. That's just not the way it is. A nerd is a nerd and YOU are a NERD. Ask any random person if you're a nerd and they will tell you that you are. If you say you aren't they'll just laugh at you and slap that can of Mountain Dew out of your hands. Just deal with it and stop being insecure because frankly that's embarrassing. <br /><br />You admitted on your blog that you like to play video games like Bioshock and (snicker) Ghostbusters. Let me ask you a question, blogger boy. Do you get excited when they play the theme from Ghostbusters in that game? Do you really feel that you're fighting ghosts and stuff? LOL! <br /><br />Stop posting your childish tantrums on this website and go back to twiddling your joystick, game boy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43176555805081271812011-04-26T17:08:38.486-07:002011-04-26T17:08:38.486-07:00apparently some people are quite sensitive about t...apparently some people are quite sensitive about their lifestyles as obese, dysfunctional adult children<br /><br />and we call these people "nerds"Udolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-92229431192340687912011-04-26T16:50:35.566-07:002011-04-26T16:50:35.566-07:00"and fyi, "emo slavophile" is a guy..."and fyi, "emo slavophile" is a guy in CA who would have your girlfriend on her back inside of ten minutes while you watch mournfully from the sidelines"<br /><br />Uh, oh, I feel a challenge coming on between you and Udolpho, Sport. You and your girlfriend have to fly out to CA and spend a night with emo slob or whatever, if he beds her, you pay for the trip, if not Udo does!Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22893822870243809362011-04-26T16:28:42.319-07:002011-04-26T16:28:42.319-07:00"Nerd culture is pathological, with its infan..."Nerd culture is pathological, with its infantile dress, eating habits, and recreation. It is regressive, and most nerds aren't very smart, they are simply socially maladroit and by dint of spending 10,000 hours in front of a computer they pick up a trick or two"<br /><br />Says the soft, frail, childless man in his fifties who spends six hours a night trolling the internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90024557245905175002011-04-26T16:09:20.155-07:002011-04-26T16:09:20.155-07:00"Asperger's syndrome strikes me me much t...<i>"Asperger's syndrome strikes me me much the same way. It is an explanatory theory of great appeal but is there any underlying reality?"</i> <br /><br />There's a drama on NBC called <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1416765/" rel="nofollow">Parenthood</a> about an extended family living in Berkeley or thereabouts. One of the couples in the show has a kid with Asperger's. Judging by his behavior, "Asperger's" seems to be a synonym for "unbelievably obnoxious". The parents (and grandparents, aunts and uncles) have the patience of Job with this kid. One wonders whether the cure for Asperger's wouldn't be good old fashioned ass-whipping. <br /><br />BTW, there are a few other aspects about Parenthood that Steve & his readers might find interesting:<br /><br />*The ignorance or deliberate blurring of ethnic differences in casting. The actors cast as adult siblings look nothing alike (e.g., the black Irish Lauren Graham as the sister of the Scandinavian Erika Christensen, in a family described by one of the characters as "40% Jewish" ethnically). The actors cast as Graham's kids look ethnically plausible, but the daughter is about a standard deviation shorter than you might expect given that Graham is about 5'9", and the actor playing the girl's father is 6'4". A couple of the other kids (including the Asperger's boy) look much swarthier than their parents. <br /><br />*The portrayal of black characters that seems as if the show's writers have little first hand contact with blacks. One of the adult Braverman siblings, for example, found out that he had a six year old son with an old girlfriend, a black dancer (not a stripper, some kind of artsy dancer). From the dancer's articulate, church-going mother, it's clear these are supposed to be middle class, Christian blacks. Which makes the names of the dancer girlfriend and son -- "Jasmine" and "Jabbar" -- seem slightly ridiculous. <br /><br />Another implausible black character is the 19 year old recovering alcoholic man who manages a soup kitchen and dates a daughter of one of the Braverman couples.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38680374286822335672011-04-26T15:25:45.364-07:002011-04-26T15:25:45.364-07:00Wow, apparently that MyPostingCareer thread hit cl...Wow, apparently that MyPostingCareer thread hit close to home. <br /><br />What is it? Mad because some people know that memorizing random Wiki facts and playing DnD with friends during the weekend instead of football doesn't make someone intelligent? <br /><br />Sorry about your overman aspirations, bros. It ain't easy being a meta-nerd.TAOhttp://www.mypostingcareer.com/forumsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7733992676003991662011-04-26T14:55:07.532-07:002011-04-26T14:55:07.532-07:00lol if you refer to people as "normals" ...lol if you refer to people as "normals" there is a good chance you lack a personality<br /><br />many commenters at Sailer are extremely vested in their nerd personas, which is why posts like this always elicit so much insecure posturing about vapid sluts who don't understand them and the triumph that nerds experience why performing their extremely high status but mysteriously low paying computer janitor jobs<br /><br />and fyi, "emo slavophile" is a guy in CA who would have your girlfriend on her back inside of ten minutes while you watch mournfully from the sidelinesUdolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.com