tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post912918474699385544..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: William Saletan speaks senseUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3241660640109793112013-07-16T21:26:34.877-07:002013-07-16T21:26:34.877-07:00"a very knowing American said...
Also, Micha..."a very knowing American said...<br /><br />Also, Michael Jackson may not be the first person to turn to for child-rearing advice, but still:....."<br /><br />I have to admit, that is a pretty good pop tune. Jackson was a first-class wierdo, but he had some real talent as a song-writer and performer. Eddie Van Halen performed the guitar solo in that number.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58006523478359662882013-07-16T19:49:49.589-07:002013-07-16T19:49:49.589-07:00Hypothetical: Trayvon Martin was a hypoglycemic di...Hypothetical: Trayvon Martin was a hypoglycemic diabetic. Zimmerman reports him to the police as a suspicious person. The police arrive and Zimmerman does not have a current location for Trayvon. The police are unable to location Trayvon and Trayvon subsequently dies due to hypoglycemia. If only Zimmerman had maintained a current location for Trayvon, Trayvon would have been able to get life-saving medical care.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />If that had happened, Al Sharpton and all the race hustlers would STILL have found a way to convince the Martin family to sue the crap out of the state of FLorida, the Sanford police (negligence for getting to the aid of a diabetic child on time) and of course George Zimmerman. <br />"What kinda cracker would do that? Leave and let a poor sick child whose diabetic and can't get his insulin in time? Why didn't this crime watchman stop playing cowboy and play good samaritan? Help his fellow man? Help the dying child take his medicine? He had a phone, he could've called the paramedics! He let a black helpless diabetic child die and this is all clearly racist on his part! If Travyon was white, he'd still be alive 'cause Zimmerman would've seen to it that the insulin would've gotten to him in time!"<br /><br />Anyone say amen to that? You KNOW that's what would've happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58213032736512400542013-07-16T16:33:21.804-07:002013-07-16T16:33:21.804-07:00Gondo says:
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Maybe he can i...Gondo says:<br /><br />http://bit.ly/1bGeXwS<br /><br />Maybe he can introduce a bill of attainder--given the slobbering pandering on to the mob, nothing would surprise me at this point.<br /><br />I posted here, some time well before the verdict, that I thought it could be appropriate for Zimmerman to be tagged with some sort of criminal liability sounding in negligence. Plainly there was never a second degree murder beef here, everybody with the even slightest understanding of the law and provable facts knew this. Manslaughter was more open to debate--and, it seems, two jurors initially leaned that way. But none of this was clear cut. Reasonable minds could disagree. But what has happened is that a perfectly defensible verdict under the law has been reached, and an ignorant mob--goaded on by liberals who should know better, and in fact often do know better, but politics requires otherwise--want to equate this verdict with the refusals to convict the obviously guilty common in early 1960s Alabama and Mississippi. This is disgusting pandering of the worst kind.<br /><br />The prosecutors here know they did not prove their case which is why, at the very last minute, they tried (unsuccessfully) to have the jury instructed on other charges that were not lesser included offenses of the charged offense of second degree murder (manslaughter is such an lesser included offense--child abuse with a firearm is not). For political reasons they oversold this case from the start, and overcharged Zimmerman accordingly. The media has been worse, and NBC in particular is likely literally going to have to pay as a result. Now the same bullshitters that always pop up, Al "Tawana was Right" Sharpton, and politicians who are either dumb or cynical are happy to oblige them, are hopping on board. And people here on FB who should now better are all to happy to be swept on a wave of emotional satisfaction (it beats thinking, doesn't it?) and float right along.<br /><br />All of you so self-satisfied in your contempt for the rule of law, be careful what you wish for--someday you might just get it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56800399183220825812013-07-16T14:40:27.997-07:002013-07-16T14:40:27.997-07:00"Saletan gets a brushback from someone named ..."Saletan gets a brushback from someone named Tom Scocca on Twitter."<br /><br />Poor Willie is getting tossed around like a rag doll by that commie. His fault for allowing the commie his premises. Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10682783227651441782013-07-16T13:15:33.694-07:002013-07-16T13:15:33.694-07:00The Feds arent going to bring charges against Zimm...The Feds arent going to bring charges against Zimmerman. The Narrative is breaking down, what with the black homophobia and black youth targeting hispanics in revenge attacks. If they try to whip up much more anti-white, anti-Hispanic frenzy they are going to end up with some serious blood on their hands, particulary if Jeantel keeps giving honest interviews. Given that she is from Haiti, a popular target of homosexual sex tourism, I don't expect she is likely to start filtering her comments for Political Correctness any time soon. The more (paid) interviews she does, the less likely the Feds are to go after Zim.Big Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11789600293000446582013-07-16T13:06:18.784-07:002013-07-16T13:06:18.784-07:00"You're a reckless fool if you do that wi..."You're a reckless fool if you do that without understanding that your actions the have potential to escalate the situation into one where someone ends up dead."<br /><br />Well, here in the small town Midwest when we see suspicious behavior we get out, follow on foot, and ask the kids who they are and what they are up to. They either run away or get real sheepish and embarrassed. No "recklessness" involved. No danger involved. Our kids don't "escalate" until someone is beat to death or has to shoot in self-defense.<br /><br />But I can see your point. If we spotted a Trayvon and not some small town white kid we would probably wait for the police due to the added danger and risk. <br /><br />Given that he was following a black kid in a ghetto town, it was pretty reckless of Zimmerman. Zimmerman's small town Midwestern values almost got him killed.<br /><br />There are some things that are just stupid and "reckless" to do in a predominately black community, like responding to the door bell after dark by unlocking and opening the door, without first looking through the peephole and asking them what they want and who they are, or (I am sure you will find this extremely reckless!) leaving your front door unlocked when you leave the house.Big Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23829710202223311442013-07-16T12:25:06.493-07:002013-07-16T12:25:06.493-07:00... and Trayvon Martin, for all his online adolesc...<i>... and Trayvon Martin, for all his online adolescent posturing that people on the right wing like to glob onto, was no thug.</i><br /><br />A thug is <i>exactly</i> what Martin was - a petty criminal with tendencies toward violence.Bob Loblawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081916786770290968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19150772001528659612013-07-16T12:15:34.394-07:002013-07-16T12:15:34.394-07:00Saletan quotes the prosecution as saying Martin an...Saletan quotes the prosecution as saying Martin and Zimmerman “were scraping and rolling and fighting out there.” What evidence is there that Zimmerman got a punch in on Martin? Or got on top of him? Or anything to support this claim?Geoff Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335872605196107867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45990944565407981442013-07-16T11:22:41.482-07:002013-07-16T11:22:41.482-07:00Zimmerman should have thought: that guy maybe inno...<i>Zimmerman should have thought: that guy maybe innocent and me following him is going to piss him off, and if he gets angry at me I'm too much of a pussy to talk to the guy and politely explain whats going</i> <br /><br /><br /><br />You seem to be in possession of evidence which not even the prosecution had. You need to contact Angela Corey ASAP and tell her exactly what it was Zimmerman said to Martin, and his tone of voice when he said it.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><i>there's good reason to think that Zimmerman was hoping for a confrontation to prove himself.</i> <br /><br /><br /><br />Your having strange fantasies does not in fact constitute "good reason" to believe anything. The trouble with your fetish for putting yourself in other peoples shoes is that you you do not and cannot do it - all you end up doing is projecting your own preconceptions and misconceptions into other peoples minds. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32069316345519654842013-07-16T11:09:03.410-07:002013-07-16T11:09:03.410-07:00You should put yourself in the other person's ...<i>You should put yourself in the other person's shoes.</i> <br /><br /><br />I notice that the "you" in your injunction implicitly excludes all inner city black men. <i>They</i> don't have to put themselves in anyone elses shoes - doing that is the white mans burden and his alone.<br /><br />In spite of your shameless and blatant double standards, I'm sure you think of yourself as an exceptionally good and decent person. In reality your own remarks display a far more ingrained racism than do those expecting Martin to behave in a semi-civilized fashion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46455379633260758592013-07-16T11:01:08.876-07:002013-07-16T11:01:08.876-07:00Zimmerman's account has significant issues suc...<i>Zimmerman's account has significant issues such as Martin's body being found ~20 feet from where Zimmerman says he was attacked</i> <br /><br /><br />Wow, twenty whole feet!<br /><br />If this discussion were restricted to those people who have ever been involved in an actual fight, it would be both shorter and a lot more informed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16830117335010022062013-07-16T10:49:03.605-07:002013-07-16T10:49:03.605-07:00"So you're a reckless fool if you get out..."So you're a reckless fool if you get out of your vehicle when a black youth in a hoodie is known to be in the area. OK..."<br /><br />You're a reckless fool if you do that without understanding that your actions the have potential to escalate the situation into one where someone ends up dead.'<br /><br />Yeah, but poor Z was a not-racist (as shown by him defending that black man who the cops beat). And as Steve has taught us, PC makes you stupid. JSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12710769980115650502013-07-16T09:47:03.778-07:002013-07-16T09:47:03.778-07:00So basically Saletan is saying that Zimmerman is a...So basically Saletan is saying that Zimmerman is a fool for <b>not profiling Martin harshly enough</b>. Zimmerman thought Martin was, at worst, some druggie looking to break into a house for easy drug money, when he should have thought that Martin might try to beat the crap out of him.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389602137217799305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16331504399122407412013-07-16T08:49:53.444-07:002013-07-16T08:49:53.444-07:00All this talk about Zim's "foolishness&qu...All this talk about Zim's "foolishness" and "stupidity" seems like cover to me; cover for the real value Zim had that libs and the media-gov't object to: balls.<br /><br /><i>You're a reckless fool if you do that without understanding that your actions the have potential to escalate the situation into one where someone ends up dead.</i><br /><br />Not sure I understand the point of that statement. It's true of policemen, soldiers, security guards, neighborhood watch volunteers, CCW permit holders, people who have made up their minds to defend themselves and their loved ones from harm, and hell, even politicians, pundits, urinalists, writers, etc.<br /><br /><i>If they could've painted Trayvon as a fairly typical homophobic young black man, defense could've put prosecution on the ropes early in the trial.</i><br /><br />I didn't see anything from Zimmerman's defense team that indicated much in the way of intestinal fortitude.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86847071208275579392013-07-16T08:32:32.482-07:002013-07-16T08:32:32.482-07:00The violent riots have begun. Al Sharpton promised...The violent riots have begun. Al Sharpton promised a dialogue in which thousands of protestors would explain what's wrong with our justice system. But I'm so confused! Is vigilante justice good, or isn't it?<br /><br />http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-zimmerman-protests-arrests-20130716,0,412940.storyIchabod Cranenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80672178083873320242013-07-16T08:29:10.286-07:002013-07-16T08:29:10.286-07:00Some words of wisdom that might have saved a lot o...Some words of wisdom that might have saved a lot of grief in the Zimmerman-Martin confrontation, from Richard Pryor, Live in Concert<br /><br />"No, but you got to stay in shape and shit, cause you never can tell when in real life you will have to... run! That's right, run. Goddamnit, run. Why get killed when you can... run! That's right, a lot of people get a ass whipping, and you could run. You'll be in the hospital, your ego will heal a lot faster than a broken jaw. Cause you'll still be in the hospital talking about, shit, I should have run. Run! That's right, if somebody pull a knife on you, and you can't pull out nothing but a hand with some skin on it, your intelligence ought to tell you to... run! But people be watching Kojak and shit too much. They think they have to be [singing] macho man. [Singing] I'll take that knife and shove it up your ass. [Singing] I'm macho man. You go from macho man to [singing] dead person."<br /><br />Also, Michael Jackson may not be the first person to turn to for child-rearing advice, but still:<br /><br />"They told him don't you ever come around here<br />Don't want to see your face, you better disappear<br />The fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear<br />So beat it, just beat it<br /><br />You better run, you better do what you can<br />Don't want to see no blood, don't be a macho man<br />You want to be tough, better do what you can<br />So beat it, but you want to be bad<br /><br />Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it<br />No one wants to be defeated<br />Showin' how funky and strong is your fight<br />It doesn't matter who's wrong or right<br />Just beat it, beat it<br />Just beat it, beat it<br />Just beat it, beat it<br />Just beat it, beat it<br /><br />They're out to get you, better leave while you can<br />Don't want to be a boy, you want to be a man<br />You want to stay alive, better do what you can<br />So beat it, just beat it<br /><br />You have to show them that you're really not scared<br />You're playin' with your life, this ain't no truth or dare<br />They'll kick you, then they beat you,<br />Then they'll tell you it's fair<br />So beat it, but you want to be bad<br /><br />Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it<br />No one wants to be defeated<br />Showin' how funky and strong is your fight<br />It doesn't matter who's wrong or right<br /><br />Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it<br />No one wants to be defeated<br />Showin' how funky and strong is your fight<br />It doesn't matter who's wrong or right<br /><br />Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it<br />No one wants to be defeated<br />Showin' how funky and strong is your fight<br />It doesn't matter who's wrong or right<br />Just beat it, beat it<br />Beat it, beat it, beat it<br /><br />No one wants to be defeated<br />Showin' how funky and strong is your fight<br />It doesn't matter who's wrong or who's right<br /><br />Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it<br />No one wants to be defeated<br />Showin' how funky and strong is your fight<br />It doesn't matter who's wrong or right<br /><br />Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it<br />No one wants to be defeated<br />Showin' how funky and strong is your fight<br />It doesn't matter who's wrong or right<br />Just beat it, beat it<br />Beat it, beat it, beat it"a very knowing Americannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75744281276507549572013-07-16T06:57:09.405-07:002013-07-16T06:57:09.405-07:00Saletan gets a brushback from someone named Tom Sc...Saletan <a href="https://twitter.com/tomscocca/status/357132540647182337" rel="nofollow">gets a brushback</a> from someone named Tom Scocca on Twitter.Dave Pinsenhttp://twitter.com/dpinsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19473461654823325562013-07-16T06:38:14.995-07:002013-07-16T06:38:14.995-07:00"Anonymous said...
It shouldn't be allow..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />It shouldn't be allowed but it should be understood. You should put yourself in the other person's shoes. There are plenty of basically good people, especially young men from cultures that emphasize honor such as the black inner city or rural south,..."<br /><br />I don't think that Trayvon Martin was a "basically good" person. I think he was a thug on the prowl. As to your statement about "young men from cultures that emphasize honor such as the black inner city or rural south": I know plenty of white southerners, and none of them would question the right of a person to ask them what they were doing in a neighborhood not their own, if they looked suspicious.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76082747274647169362013-07-16T06:37:19.560-07:002013-07-16T06:37:19.560-07:00Also the exact way the confrontation began is not ...<b>Also the exact way the confrontation began is not clear and Zimmerman's account has significant issues such as Martin's body being found ~20 feet from where Zimmerman says he was attacked. It's not at all clear that Zimmerman didn't attack Trayvon.</b><br /><br />So, let me understand your meaning.<br /><br />Since Martin was so big and athletic if he jumped Zimmerman where Zimmerman claimed Zimmerman would have been on the ground right there and stunned? <br /><br />Zimmerman had no opportunity to back up to try to get away from the blows?<br /><br />I think your prejudice is showing.Phoeniciannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25133944682119470482013-07-16T06:36:08.077-07:002013-07-16T06:36:08.077-07:00Your understanding of morality is blunted to the p...<i>Your understanding of morality is blunted to the point of concavity.</i><br /><br />That wasn't his understanding. He was speaking in someone else's voice, giving voice to the inferred thought process of others.<br />ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83305832893068956462013-07-16T05:17:16.899-07:002013-07-16T05:17:16.899-07:00"And that's a relatively benign interpret..."And that's a relatively benign interpretation, there's good reason to think that Zimmerman was hoping for a confrontation to prove himself."<br /><br />I was sympathetic to your view up to this point. You just plucked this from thin air. I don't know how you square that with Zimmerman being a weakling who knew he couldn't win a fight. Weaklings who know they can't win fights don't go looking to provoke deadly confrontations. <br /><br />"I'm not advocating for deference but understanding,"<br /><br />That's all well and good, but I've heard it put that to understand everything is to forgive everything. That is, developing such exquisitely nuanced understanding of the factors that lead to criminal("istic") behaviors is to inadvertently develop a concomitant tendency towards forgiving them. The last fifty years demonstrates quite clearly, I think, that this sort of understanding is incapable of producing the sorts of behavioral changes the understanders themselves would so dearly love to see. This kind of 'understanding,' I'm afraid, really is virtually synonymous with 'deference.'Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21507238809787029862013-07-16T04:22:26.473-07:002013-07-16T04:22:26.473-07:00"But see the prosecution couldn't directl..."But see the prosecution couldn't directly use that angle "that Trayvon thought this man was gonna rape him or something creepy like that" to go after Zimmerman because in court that would appear to be homophobic, which would make Trayvon less angelic and more of a homophobe. That right there might confuse the narrative and the MSM might have a fit for a week trying to decide how to spin and spoon feed the narrative to the proles out in hinterland."<br /><br />Since Trayvon was 17, they would have simply replaced all references to homosexuality with pedophilia. Because, as liberals are fond of telling us, pedophiles aren't gay. Pay no mind to the fact that he was 17. After all, how many of those molested alter boys were 17?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10443110711662284412013-07-16T03:45:17.371-07:002013-07-16T03:45:17.371-07:00That doesn’t make Zimmerman a hero. It just makes ...<b><i>That doesn’t make Zimmerman a hero. It just makes him a reckless fool instead of a murderer.</i></b><br /><br />Zimmerman called the police to report a suspicious person and was to report the suspicious person's current location when the police arrived. He would have been a reckless to have done that without attempting to maintain an up-to-date location for the suspicious person.<br /><br />Hypothetical: Trayvon Martin was a hypoglycemic diabetic. Zimmerman reports him to the police as a suspicious person. The police arrive and Zimmerman does not have a current location for Trayvon. The police are unable to location Trayvon and Trayvon subsequently dies due to hypoglycemia. If only Zimmerman had maintained a current location for Trayvon, Trayvon would have been able to get life-saving medical care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45313993393775696932013-07-16T02:30:45.288-07:002013-07-16T02:30:45.288-07:00You're a reckless fool if you do that without ...<i>You're a reckless fool if you do that without understanding that your actions the have potential to escalate the situation into one where someone ends up dead.</i><br /><br />By definition, patrolling the neighborhood to watch for criminals committing crimes has that potential. Some criminals take offense at being observed and take steps to discourage witnesses from getting in their way. Ultimately, this comment is so dumb, you really ought to delete it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70658754288445372962013-07-16T01:09:10.405-07:002013-07-16T01:09:10.405-07:00Saletan is clearly trying to maintain drum up Zimm...Saletan is clearly trying to maintain drum up Zimmerman's guilt more than it's worth and balance it out with Trayvon's supposed innocence as well. Saletan is a step above most liberal commentators in these regards, but a lifetime of liberal brainwashing can make even this a challenge.<br /><br />Personally though, I think Saletan's just kind of a wimp. He's long had a reserved, effeminate style to this writing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com