tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post9220917483417679647..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Goldberg, Beck, Fox Piven.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4583782616932709832011-01-24T15:42:58.415-08:002011-01-24T15:42:58.415-08:00based on a misinterpretation of Marx's essay
...<i>based on a misinterpretation of Marx's essay</i><br /><br />And the moving goalpost of "anti-Semitism."Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49197360093531803072011-01-24T09:19:45.524-08:002011-01-24T09:19:45.524-08:00That's pretty funny, considering that Marx hat...<i>That's pretty funny, considering that Marx hated Jews.</i><br /><br />That's an old canard, based on a misinterpretation of Marx's essay <i>On the Jewish Question</i>. Marx did not hate Jews.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78236008797332470402011-01-23T18:30:30.796-08:002011-01-23T18:30:30.796-08:00Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and...<i>Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and Boas, neither identified as Jews [sic]...?"<br /><br />No. They were ancestrally, genetically, culturally, and above all intellectually Jewish. They spent most of their lives concocting ideologies to further the interests of the Jewish community.<br /></i><br /><br />That's pretty funny, considering that Marx hated Jews.Has to benoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24042594936177656912011-01-23T01:48:03.878-08:002011-01-23T01:48:03.878-08:00Amusing fact about the German or Jewish surname &#...Amusing fact about the German or Jewish surname 'Fuchs'.<br />Many years ago there was a famous explorer named Claus Fuchs.The English newspapers provoked no end of mirth with the headline " Sir Claus Fuchs at North Pole".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69265823354344318072011-01-22T21:52:48.096-08:002011-01-22T21:52:48.096-08:00Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and...<i>Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and Boas, neither identified as Jews [sic]...?"</i><br /><br />No. They were ancestrally, genetically, culturally, and above all intellectually Jewish. They spent most of their lives concocting ideologies to further the interests of the Jewish community.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82560642876442162252011-01-22T16:45:46.459-08:002011-01-22T16:45:46.459-08:00Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and...<i>Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and Boas, neither identified as Jews (Marx's father was a Lutheran, Boas was raised by non-observant Jews, and would not identify as Jewish)?</i> <br /><br />Acknowledged.<br /><br /><i>Shouldn't that remove them from the Jewish column</i> <br /><br />No. What matters is whether other Jews identify them as Jewish, and they do in fact so identify them.<br /><br />Albert Einstein was born to non-observant Jews and attended a Catholic elementary school as a young child. But I doubt that many Jews will give him up as one of their own on that account.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82437100205024809312011-01-22T16:12:12.559-08:002011-01-22T16:12:12.559-08:00Yeah, you can't change your genetics by changi...Yeah, you can't change your genetics by changing your self-identification.<br /><br />Marx was Jewish. Sorry if science upsets you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84323036718747682082011-01-22T15:07:31.481-08:002011-01-22T15:07:31.481-08:00Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and...<i>Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and Boas, neither identified as Jews (Marx's father was a Lutheran, Boas was raised by non-observant Jews, and would not identify as Jewish)?<br />Shouldn't that remove them from the Jewish column (and shouldn't they be glad about it)?</i><br /><br />Sure. And Stalin and Hitler weren't white.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13787833450261856722011-01-22T08:04:43.994-08:002011-01-22T08:04:43.994-08:00Fox Piven is Jewish. From Democratic Left magazin...Fox Piven is Jewish. From Democratic Left magazine:<br /><br /><i>DL: How did you come to be a radical?<br /><br />FP: Like a lot of people in the New York area, my parents were Russian Jewish immigrants. They were intuitive radicals even though they didn't have formal educations. I think they certainly influenced me. My father--when I saw him, which wasn't very often because he worked very long hours -- always talked to me about world affairs. I remember him saying to me that you couldn't believe the capitalist press. So I asked him, "Then why do you read the newspaper all the time, Daddy?" And he said, "I read between the lines." Since I couldn't read at all yet -- I was only about three or four -- I studied between the lines to see what I could see, and …</i><br /><br />http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-467726441.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79923850604615985212011-01-22T07:58:37.316-08:002011-01-22T07:58:37.316-08:00Jews regularly change their names to disguise thei...<i>Jews regularly change their names to disguise their religion/ethnicity</i><br /><br />As Fred said, they do it to assimilate; but I don't think they are trying to disguise their Jewishness as much as to make it seem less "other." That is, to make Jewishness fit in with the larger culture.<br /><br />It's not as if Jon Stewart (born Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz) is trying to hide his ethnicity. It's also not as if Mel Brooks (Melvin Kaminsky) has ever been shy about who he is.Glaivesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867323638154972101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79039592364103507282011-01-22T07:27:02.409-08:002011-01-22T07:27:02.409-08:00I attended a university at which Boas was once a p...I attended a university at which Boas was once a professor. He was sometimes talked about as the father of "cultural antrhopology" although his work was sort of quack physical anthropology. His biggest theory at least that I had heard of was that living in a place will cause phenotypes to converge (within a few generations), he claimed that the skull shapes of second and third generation European Americans were converging toward the shape of those of native Americans (meaning natural born Americans). <br /><br />The natural extrapolation of this was that just living in America for a few generations would erase all group differences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63289552403172326652011-01-22T06:38:19.630-08:002011-01-22T06:38:19.630-08:00The Chinaman is not the issue here dude.The Chinaman is not the issue here dude.Marlowenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40990642635081606562011-01-22T05:44:10.494-08:002011-01-22T05:44:10.494-08:00Speaking of Jews, there was a documentary that cam...Speaking of Jews, there was a documentary that came out around 2005 that documented Israeli interference in U.S. politics and Middle East foreign policy. I've forgotten the name. If anyone saw it and can remember the name, please post it. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35880789932966550932011-01-22T04:50:17.699-08:002011-01-22T04:50:17.699-08:00This was absolutely hilarious! You are a great wr...This was absolutely hilarious! You are a great writer Steve!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74199896369647562552011-01-22T01:25:59.187-08:002011-01-22T01:25:59.187-08:00Albertosaurus:
"I've only watched Beck...Albertosaurus:<br />"I've only watched Beck's show once. I was sick and watched daytime TV. On that show he lectured about how the US was in a position similar to that of the Roman Republic just before it became an empire - meaning it adopted dictatorial government.<br /><br />As it happens I've read essentially all the ancient historians who wrote of Rome except the really obscure ones. So I can say with some authority that Beck is full of beans. he very much doesn't know or understand Roman history..."<br /><br />I'd say that the USA has been in the Principate stage at least since FDR, America's Augustus. Constitutional norms are still nominally in place, but not actually followed. And the US still seems far from the Dominionate stage of more or less open tyranny (though retaining most of the Republican legal system). I agree that Obama is certainly not a transitional figure, and I wasn't too impressed by that Beck episode either.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6293739340356050692011-01-21T23:20:11.251-08:002011-01-21T23:20:11.251-08:00Well, Steve, you need to improve you google search...Well, Steve, you need to improve you google searching. In a total of about 3 seconds, I went to books.google.com and entered frances fox piven biography - near the top of the list was a book titled "American Jewish Biographies" by Murray Polner from 1982 in which she is listed... so there is a relatively authoritative source - likely the one Beck used to confirm she was Jewish.GoogleWhiznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35060960851537745592011-01-21T22:07:02.604-08:002011-01-21T22:07:02.604-08:00I wouldn't have guessed Edward Bernays was Jew...<i>I wouldn't have guessed Edward Bernays was Jewish if Beck hadn't mentioned his relation to Freud.</i><br /><br />He didn't mention his relation to Freud. He said Bernays was Freud's nephew, but that isn't quite right. He was Freud's DOUBLE nephew, a nephew both by blood and by marriage. His father was Ely Bernays, brother of Freud's wife Martha Bernays. His mother was Freud's sister, Anna.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54792907522989154942011-01-21T20:49:23.193-08:002011-01-21T20:49:23.193-08:00"Jews regularly change their names to disguis...<i>"Jews regularly change their names to disguise their religion/ethnicity so a name is not necessarily dispositive (e.g, my Jewish platoon leader in the army was surnamed "Baker.")"</i><br /><br />People (not just Jews) have historically changed their names to assimilate, but "Baker" may have been an Anglicization rather than just pulling a name out of a hat. It's not an unheard of surname among Arabs, for example. <br /><br /><i>"It's perhaps telling that so many of these big, obnoxious jewish pundits don't allow commenting on their blogs"</i><br /><br />Goldberg = "many"? Of the Atlantic's 8 bloggers, 3 don't allow comments, and 2 of them are non-Jews (Fallows and Sullivan).Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78880806244523686502011-01-21T20:33:27.173-08:002011-01-21T20:33:27.173-08:00"The American Jewish community might consider..."The American Jewish community might consider befriending and championing the interests of America's white working classes -- correction, scratch the word "white" and make it just "America's working classes" -- since nobody else has."<br /><br />Sounds fine to me, but the people who count wouldn't listen to me anyway.SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50509205605445250652011-01-21T20:33:06.988-08:002011-01-21T20:33:06.988-08:00As a quick check on the "neutral" backgr...As a quick check on the "neutral" background fraction of Jews you'd expect to be attacked by a conservative commenter, it might be worth looking at that list of the 50 most influential pundits, dividing them roughly into left/right, and then counting the Jews among those on the left. This isn't perfect, but it's a list made for an entirely different purpose, so there's some reason to think it's useful. Another alternative would be to look for some relatively widely-accepted list of great left-wing thinkers, and check the ethnic mix there. <br /><br />All this is kind-of pointless, since this is one of those non-stories that will evaporate in a couple weeks when there's news to report. But it does seem like a kind-of interesting methodological problem. <br /><br />FWIW: Suppose P is the probability that a single person on your list will be Jewish, based on whatever background distribution you're assuming. What you're interested in here is the Binomial distribution: Given a biased coin whose probability of coming up heads each time is P, what is the probability that 8/10 flips come up heads? <br /><br />In Excel, this can be computed with =binomdist(). To get the probability that fewer than 8 heads would be seen, you do<br /><br />=binomdist(7,P,10,True)none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79683742904891615452011-01-21T19:37:18.968-08:002011-01-21T19:37:18.968-08:00Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and...Can we acknowledge that, when it comes to Marx and Boas, neither identified as Jews (Marx's father was a Lutheran, Boas was raised by non-observant Jews, and would not identify as Jewish)? <br />Shouldn't that remove them from the Jewish column (and shouldn't they be glad about it)?Geoff Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335872605196107867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77164907570740973922011-01-21T19:32:49.480-08:002011-01-21T19:32:49.480-08:00"Or when Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burden ...<i>"Or when Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burden lose at Actium to Roddy McDowell?"</i><br /><br />Even worse, what about when Elizabeth Taylor lost out in the looks department to Robert Taylor in <i>Ivanhoe</i>? The consensus was that of the two Taylors, Bob was the more beautiful. Liz played the Jewess, Rebecca, in that film (though she had yet to convert to Judaism)so I'm sure Goldberg would conclude that had something to do with her losing out to Hollywood's right-wing pretty boy.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22142124902927966502011-01-21T14:59:18.307-08:002011-01-21T14:59:18.307-08:00Rawley, Raleigh and Rolley are all the same name j...Rawley, Raleigh and Rolley are all the same name just different phonetic spelling Sir Walter Raliegh used to sign his name differently depending on whom he was addressing - and the accent of that region.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20775056027934667682011-01-21T14:31:04.490-08:002011-01-21T14:31:04.490-08:00If one were to name 10 great noble people of the 2...<i>If one were to name 10 great noble people of the 20th century, 8 of 10 or even 10 of 10 could arguably be Jewish. </i> <br /><br />Not unless there's an awful lot of wriggle room in the word "arguably".<br /><br /><i>But 8 of 10 evil figures of the 20th century could also be Jewish.</i> <br /><br />Again, not really. Jews are not as big a deal as either they themselves, their admirers, or their detractors claim.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42551630625537062772011-01-21T14:22:50.299-08:002011-01-21T14:22:50.299-08:00Jews have a legitimate concern about being targete...<i>Jews have a legitimate concern about being targeted and persecuted since there's a long history of that.</i> <br /><br />Oh, balls.Severnnoreply@blogger.com