tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post936008087597264572..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Disparate Impact: How it worksUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7720235849051565702010-06-09T19:25:39.470-07:002010-06-09T19:25:39.470-07:00"In 2001, seven women filed a class-action su..."In 2001, seven women filed a class-action suit on behalf of all women working at the company. They complained of a general pattern of discrimination in pay and promotions."<br /><br />By what right do seven women speak for tens or even hundreds of thousands? How is it that someone is allowed to file a law suit on behalf of someone who was never asked if they wanted to be a party to it? Our system of jurisprudence never ceases to provide examples of unmitigated, arrogant gall.<br /><br />On the other hand, when bad things happen to Walmart, I can only summon up laughter. So screw 'em.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57493980291510969292010-06-05T17:58:39.635-07:002010-06-05T17:58:39.635-07:00"Twenty-nine percent of men were initially hi..."Twenty-nine percent of men were initially hired in receiving jobs like unloading, which generally pay at least 20 percent more than cashier jobs, compared with 7 percent of women."<br /><br />Wal-Mart just needs to sell smaller stuff.John Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795977089953532965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44508510340559914792010-06-04T21:55:47.140-07:002010-06-04T21:55:47.140-07:00First they [Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld] ta...<i>First they [Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld] take the initial extortion payoff, to create the anti-discrimination policy for Walmart which is supposed to shield Walmart from their ilk.<br /><br />Then they [Seligman et al] turn right around and sue Walmart anyway [cf the frog and the scorpion] for even higher extortion payoffs.<br /><br />And finally they [Laurence Tribe, Cass Sunstein, Martha Minow, Elena Kagan, etc etc etc] install themselves as the high priests and high priestesses in charge of ministering the new civic religion which they have created [for themselves to minister].</i><br /><br />I'm not sure what you're saying, but if you're implying that Akin Gump is the most Jewish law firm in Dallas, then you are right.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41908052158336632602010-06-04T15:11:23.860-07:002010-06-04T15:11:23.860-07:00greenrivervalleyman: The point is not really to pr...<b>greenrivervalleyman:</b> <i>The point is not really to provide opportunities, then, but to bend the rest of society to their egalitarian agenda.</i> <br /><br /><b>More Anon:</b> <i>Another cause of the "Diversity Recession." Somebody needs to quantify this.</i> <br /><br />These folks win both coming and going [<a href="http://www.vdare.com/sailer/100602_official_discrimination.htm" rel="nofollow">to quote Steve</a> from another recent essay, "In other words, heads I win, tails you lose."].<br /><br />First they [Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld] take the initial extortion payoff, to create the anti-discrimination policy for Walmart which is supposed to shield Walmart from their ilk.<br /><br />Then they [Seligman et al] turn right around and sue Walmart anyway [cf <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog" rel="nofollow">the frog and the scorpion</a>] for even higher extortion payoffs.<br /><br />And finally they [Laurence Tribe, Cass Sunstein, Martha Minow, Elena Kagan, etc etc etc] install themselves as the high priests and high priestesses in charge of ministering the new civic religion which they have created [for themselves to minister].<br /><br />They're like puppeteers, dangling by the strings entire societies as their own personal marionettes.<br /><br />America was founded by Antinomians, and She has absolutely no structural safeguards in place to protect Her against a determined legalistic assault like this.<br /><br />In the absence of Antinomianism, an idea like "America" simply doesn't work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46001325404836138732010-06-04T13:01:24.553-07:002010-06-04T13:01:24.553-07:00"the company hired a prominent law firm to ex..."the company hired a prominent law firm to examine its vulnerability to just such a suit."<br /><br />What are the costs of compliance and defensive measures like these? <br /><br />If these lawsuits weren't such low-hanging fruit, how much would businesses save?<br /><br />Another cause of the "Diversity Recession." Somebody needs to quantify this.More Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84927952834094647922010-06-04T12:32:47.881-07:002010-06-04T12:32:47.881-07:00i've heard from multiple people that UPS loade...i've heard from multiple people that UPS loader and UPS unloader are two of the most brutal, unforgiving jobs in america. lots of guys quit the first day.<br /><br />i wonder if at some point, UPS will be sued and a court will force them to hire more women for loader and unloader. i guess the women will survive 1 whole hour before throwing in the towel. getting 1 hour of work out of a new employee after spending 2 days on giving them orientation? the court will be forcing UPS to completely waste it's time, hundreds of times per year. even women who could (barely) handle the physical demands of stacking all those packages, would probably break down mentally the first time the supervisor checks for what UPS calls "max density". he comes to your truck, looks at the tetris-style order you have stacked the packages into for the last 30 minutes, and then throws the whole wall of packages to the ground violently, then shouts in your face "MAX DENSITY" and walks away.<br /><br />maybe UPS will actually be forced to break out the zip code part of the loader job, so women would have at least something not physical which they could (barely) do. lots of guys fail the zip code sorting test at UPS. the failure rate for women would be even higher. so in 2020, UPS could reduce the efficiency of their entire national operation so they could accomodate all 12 women in america who can handle the instantaneous zip code sorting as 20 packages per minute flow into the warehouse.<br /><br />the women would, of course, be totally exempt from lifting any of the "iron", which is what the UPS people call packages over 70 pounds. the men will be forced for cover for the women there.jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52930698855781160792010-06-04T10:03:25.910-07:002010-06-04T10:03:25.910-07:00The funny thing is that it's SWPL's agitat...The funny thing is that it's SWPL's agitating for jobs that they would never in practice consider for themselves or their daughters. Women truckers, teamsters, road crew workers, and army MP's are exactly the sort of "blue-state", downscale whites that Kagan, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, etc. instinctively turn up their noses at. Don't you think the Clintons would be horrified if Chelsea made a career out of laying down asphalt, or even serving as a mid-ranking officer in one of the armed forces?<br /><br />The point is not really to provide opportunities, then, but to bend the rest of society to their egalitarian agenda.greenrivervalleymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10800061625385072407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4526010516673298012010-06-04T09:35:46.134-07:002010-06-04T09:35:46.134-07:00From the NYT article..."Employment experts sa...From the <i>NYT</i> article..."Employment experts say there can be innocent reasons for the types of disparities found by Akin Gump. For example, women might apply disproportionately to be cashiers and men disproportionately to work in receiving. But there could be improper discriminatory reasons for the differences, like managers believing that cashier jobs are for women."<br /><br /><br />Which came first, the chicken or the egg? If those managers believe that cashier jobs are for women <i>after</i> observing that women "disproportionately" apply for cashier jobs, then those managers' reason for assigning cashier jobs to women "disproportionately" is just as "innocent" as the women applying for the jobs in the first place.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30917132223585304142010-06-04T07:43:34.510-07:002010-06-04T07:43:34.510-07:00rent-extractment = rent-extractionrent-extractment = rent-extractionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24241538827178812412010-06-04T07:41:43.315-07:002010-06-04T07:41:43.315-07:00If Wal-Mart adjusted the pay scale by paying the t...<i>If Wal-Mart adjusted the pay scale by paying the truckers/warehousemen less and the cashiers more this wouldn't be an issue.</i> <br /><br />And then they'd just have to find a different excuse to sue Walmart.<br /><br />God, you people are so naive.<br /><br />Lawsuits like this aren't about rectifying perceived social inequalities and remedying them with bluntly grotesque socio-political instruments like quotas - they're about enriching & empowering tort lawyers, and, more generally, the kinds of ethnic groups which dominate tort law [and let's not kid ourselves - there's really only one ethnic group which dominates tort law].<br /><br />Over the course of the last four or five decades, Sam Walton [with his revolutionary new business model] had the temerity to put a whole bunch of ethnic middlemen out of business [thereby destroying an entire class of ethnic rent-extractment & enrichment strategies], and now it's payback time.<br /><br />They're out for blood - this is ethnic warfare, pure and simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13487458590069337532010-06-04T07:14:43.529-07:002010-06-04T07:14:43.529-07:00Disparate impact is communism, plain and simple. T...Disparate impact is communism, plain and simple. THIS is the problem with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Please write your next book about this issue (tying in mass non-white immigration as well?)<br />This could be a huge issue for conservatives if they knew what the heck they were talking about.<br />Rand Paul needs to read your stuff!Barack Mugabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57681867441133891842010-06-04T02:59:52.812-07:002010-06-04T02:59:52.812-07:00Maybe Wal-Mart's next business model will be c...Maybe Wal-Mart's next business model will be cherry picking data and filing class action lawsuits. Seems to be a growth industry.rightsaidfrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72431371737422293302010-06-04T02:31:26.869-07:002010-06-04T02:31:26.869-07:00Steve S quoted:
Employment experts say there can ...Steve S quoted:<br /><br /><i>Employment experts say there can be innocent reasons for the types of disparities found by Akin Gump. For example, women might apply disproportionately to be cashiers and men disproportionately to work in receiving. But there could be improper discriminatory reasons for the differences, like managers believing that cashier jobs are for women.</i><br /><br />I dont know why anyone would make the assumption that burly, grumpy men would be good material for truckies and lightly built, sunny-dispositioned women would be good material as check-out chicks.<br /><br />Obviously only someone whose mind was completely distorted by sexism.<br /><br />Really, one wonders how these people keep a straight-face when bringing these suits.jack strocchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17534084770633227131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9421109482531057952010-06-04T01:17:29.653-07:002010-06-04T01:17:29.653-07:00Mark, don't forget to add protectionism, trad...Mark, don't forget to add protectionism, trade wars, Chinese backing for North Korea invading the South, fracturing supply chains (South Korea makes most of the raw flatscreens) and Chinese bubble collapse in housing.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54768935452814534432010-06-04T00:46:33.259-07:002010-06-04T00:46:33.259-07:00If you accept the logic of disparite impact then j...If you accept the logic of disparite impact then just about every organisation in the country must be vulnerable to a lawsuit sans a 50:50 quota. <br /><br />I wonder what the future for Walmart is though. The Walmart model has been all conquering for some time however it's big box out of town stores and the fact that so much of its merchandize comes from China makes it vulnerable to the following:<br /><br />i) a permanent spike in the oil price - either because of peak oil or Asian demand. At $140+ a barrel the economics of making and shipping stuff from China and consumers driving to the Walmart starts to break-down.<br /><br />ii) a permanent rise in the value of the Yuan vis-a-vis the US dollar. This will make Chinese goods more expensive and price a lot of Walmart's customers out of the stores.markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669268286602330607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90328295174987358232010-06-04T00:37:40.594-07:002010-06-04T00:37:40.594-07:00Waiting for the punch line ... the onion, right? R...Waiting for the punch line ... the onion, right? Right?stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75961769760493924282010-06-03T23:33:26.353-07:002010-06-03T23:33:26.353-07:00I'm utterly baffled coming up with any reason ...<i>I'm utterly baffled coming up with any reason other than sheer malignant irrational prejudice why Walmart would hire more men than women to unload trucks. What possible reason could there be? Clearly, Walmart is a totally irrational organization that doesn't know anything about how to, say, unload trucks</i><br /><br />It isn't the truck unloading that's the issue here -- it's that those guys make more money than the cashiers. <br /><br />If Wal-Mart adjusted the pay scale by paying the truckers/warehousemen less and the cashiers more this wouldn't be an issue. <br /><br />The problem is that shipping is more difficult and dangerous than cashiering, so one would think it's fair that they receive more. However, that isn't how things work any longer. <br /><br />Now that feminism/affirmative action has reached its logical conclusion, we find that it is pretty much exactly "from each according to his ability, to each according to her 'need'."Billhttp://www.the-spearhead.comnoreply@blogger.com