tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post971604391513547645..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: A Modest ProposalUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58254377523964311282010-03-29T17:37:01.169-07:002010-03-29T17:37:01.169-07:00Frank Islam is a muslim name and I dont know anyth...Frank Islam is a muslim name and I dont know anything about them<br /><br />--<br />Google "disadvantaged business" plus "information technology" plus "subcontinent asian"<br />--<br /><br />Most Indians are not businessmen and we have no problems in removing their quota privileges or prosecuting them for ethnic hiring<br /><br />and yes, I stand against every form of direct and indirect quota or SBA loan for Indian immigrants<br /><br />Now how about giving Indians the same admission standards as whites for college ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43291716627970648072010-03-28T23:58:16.648-07:002010-03-28T23:58:16.648-07:00"The only people who get advantage of this ar..."The only people who get advantage of this are SOME Patel motels."<br /><br />Sorry to burst your bubble, but you have clearly never looked into this in the slightest.<br /><br />Google "disadvantaged business" plus "information technology" plus "subcontinent asian"<br /><br />Then google "Frank Islam", and INDUs Corp.<br /><br />Spend some time looking at some of the categories in the various government spending database websites out there. Some of the biggest US Asian Indian technology companies in the country have no qualms about going after their "disadvantaged business" certification. And many of them are involved in facilitating the offshoring of American jobs. How FU'd is that? Not only are we going to discriminate against you, but we're going to do in favor of the guys who are taking your jobs.<br /><br />Like Steve said, wouldn't it be great if some South Asian and/or Asian Pacific American individuals spoke out and said, hey, this is BS. Why is the USA government discriminating against the non-immigrant people of the USA? It's not only surreal, it's outrageous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46382847379643972462010-03-28T15:13:14.727-07:002010-03-28T15:13:14.727-07:00Child labor exists due to poverty and lax enforcem...<i>Child labor exists due to poverty and lax enforcement of laws and not all poor are lower castes, the Sulabh toilet scheme employs thousands of poor brahmins as janitors</i><br /><br />Yes, it is true that not all poor are lower castes, but it is also true that the overwhelming majority of the poor are from the lower castes. And child labor exists because the political class wants it that way. I'd bet things would get fixed in a hurry if the Prime Minister or Child Development Minister was prosecuted for negligience in enforcement of laws all over.<br /><br /><i>Again, I dont see why US natives should pay for Indian social problems and there are plenty of white Americans who are poor and dont get help</i><br /><br />Because as soon as these people get to the US, it becomes a US social problem - same as for any other minority.<br /><br /><i>The compulsory education scheme like most other schemes is simply a feel good scheme without any teeth</i><br /><br />That's an interesting POV. Do you feel the same way about public education here in the US?Amitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13216438945632044902010-03-28T07:40:19.775-07:002010-03-28T07:40:19.775-07:00scoob, I am opposed to every minority immigrant se...scoob, I am opposed to every minority immigrant set aside<br />including the 10% price advantage<br /><br />The only people who get advantage of this are SOME Patel motelsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90955059519426118862010-03-28T07:37:46.145-07:002010-03-28T07:37:46.145-07:00Child labor exists due to poverty and lax enforcem...Child labor exists due to poverty and lax enforcement of laws and not all poor are lower castes, the Sulabh toilet scheme employs thousands of poor brahmins as janitors<br /><br />The compulsory education scheme like most other schemes is simply a feel good scheme without any teeth<br /><br />Again, I dont see why US natives should pay for Indian social problems and there are plenty of white Americans who are poor and dont get helpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78978059082892899142010-03-27T23:21:43.321-07:002010-03-27T23:21:43.321-07:00First of all, I dont see, why the USA natives shou...<i>First of all, I dont see, why the USA natives should pay for social engineering in other countries. A sound immigration policy would ban groups that seek or need Affirmative action</i><br /><br />That's a possibility of course, but it is a separate discussion from the topic of the post.<br /><br /><i>And in the last 60 years, nobody prevented the lower castes from getting educated and no BJP regime did not change that</i><br /><br />There have been quotas for many decades, and while some states have been better in this respect than others, the quotas were underutilized because very few lower castes were going to school. Education for everyone became a fundamental right only in 2002 via the 86th Constitutional amendment. And although the Vajpayee government got this pushed through, the Nehru-Gandhi government that followed has predictably excluded 0-6 and 14-18 year olds from the law that was passed to implement the right. Heck, there have been reports of little children being used as child labourers on the Commonwealth Games projects in Delhi this year.Amitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37314611514098554352010-03-27T22:37:38.722-07:002010-03-27T22:37:38.722-07:00"SBA loans this" and "SBA loans tha..."SBA loans this" and "SBA loans that" and "oh those silly loans, yes those loans are a little naughty, those little loans are."<br /><br /> Those SBA loans are only one small part of the entire 'Minority Business Development' "section 8a set asides" and 10 percent price differential for so-called 'Socially and Economically Disadvantaged' immigrants. It's a huge, industrial sized, Gross Domestic Product sized mega-scam. <br /><br />Think of just this one aspect (and there are many more) - if your Information Technology company founded by newly arrived, but well financed (by SBA, caste or clan networks, or Indian or Chinese billionaires) Indian or Chinese immigrants gets a 10 percent price advantage on virtually every government contract it bids on, over and over and over (think of an iterative process in computer modeling), who will come to completely dominate the largest sector of government contracting in an American economy that more and more is nothing more than government contracting.scoobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86515662246160980742010-03-27T21:46:22.045-07:002010-03-27T21:46:22.045-07:00First of all, I dont see, why the USA natives shou...First of all, I dont see, why the USA natives should pay for social engineering in other countries. A sound immigration policy would ban groups that seek or need Affirmative action<br /><br />And in the last 60 years, nobody prevented the lower castes from getting educated and no BJP regime did not change that<br /><br />We have had 70% anti-brahmin quota in South India for 60 years and so the other 70% are lower castes<br /><br />And untouchables and tribals have had 20% quota for the last 60 yearsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84818848913521666812010-03-27T17:23:37.540-07:002010-03-27T17:23:37.540-07:00rec1man,
For many decades, the policy followed b...rec1man, <br /><br />For many decades, the policy followed by successive Nehru-Gandhi governments was to educate only the upper castes of India by keeping the lower castes out of school. Therefore it was only the upper castes who came to the USA via job based immigration. However a decade ago the Vajpayee government reversed this policy so all the lower caste people could go to school. These people are beginning to immigrate to the USA, but they don't have much in the way of support or resources, and their IQ potential is unknown. Therefore they should be eligible for affirmative action alongside other minorities.<br /><br />I understand the point about desiring equal treatment under law, but as long as things like affirmative action exist in law, it would be malicious to deny it to lower caste Asian Indians who are barely getting started.Amitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35122511444158739642010-03-27T15:07:32.387-07:002010-03-27T15:07:32.387-07:00Amit, most of us came to the USA to get away from ...Amit, most of us came to the USA to get away from caste affirmative action and those low caste Indians who want affirmative action can go back to India<br />and yes the SBA loans for Indians are unfair because it violates equal treatment under the lawrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45214316995731179232010-03-27T14:05:34.071-07:002010-03-27T14:05:34.071-07:00I think they should look at caste data for Asian I...I think they should look at caste data for Asian Indians to determine eligibility for assistance. With the growth in the Indian economy more backward castes like Hindu lower castes, Dalit Christians and Muslims are immigrating these days. Looking at the caste data would make sure that the people in greatest need are helped while the more prosperous types are cut off.Amitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55801819342671578972010-03-27T13:24:27.471-07:002010-03-27T13:24:27.471-07:00Amit, the US medical system does not easily recogn...Amit, the US medical system does not easily recognise Indian degrees<br /><br />My brother was a cardiologist at AIMS, but they did not recognise the degree and he had to redo the degree in the USAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89640140438059401672010-03-27T12:03:08.421-07:002010-03-27T12:03:08.421-07:00As a physician, I can tell you that my ethnicity h...<i>As a physician, I can tell you that my ethnicity hurts me in my career aspirations. There are too many Indians in medicine and the highly competitive specialties spots in residencies and fellowship can only have so many Indians. I have to better than the white guy to have the same shot.</i><br /><br />I am curious about how this works as my daughter may want to go into medicine. Since undergrad to superspecialty medical education only costs $500,000 in India, wouldn't it be better to study there to have more certainty? Are there any downsides to doing this?Amitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76695241618336843272010-03-27T00:18:51.380-07:002010-03-27T00:18:51.380-07:00I don't think Indians need, or want, special l...I don't think Indians need, or want, special loans. One specific constituencey, Patel Motels, want this, but the rest of the community could care less, assuming they even know about it. Most Indians just want the chance to work hard and make their money legally here, either through software or small busines (motel, gas station, franchise outlet) or medicine/engineering. Among Indians, welfare and being poor is considered shameful. Not surprisingly, Indian-Americans have an astonishgly low percentage of people on government assistance. <br /><br />There are more than a few Indians that are willing to immigrate to the U.S. and pay high taxes (in support of Medicare and SS for white retirees, and welfare/education for blacks and Latinos), work in hospitals in the ghetto and rural slums (who wants to work there?), open shops in socioeconomically deprived areas, and do crappy paying research jobs at the universities. As much as it pains you to admit it, Indians are productive and self-reliant members of the society. <br /><br />Yes, lots of high paying jobs are now being outsourced to India because it's possible to hire good engineers at a fraction of the price. That's horrible for the working man of American, but there's not much you can do. In a free market economy, that's how it works out. When the British ruled India, they flooded the Indian market with cheap textiles and killed a huge domestic Indian industry. Today, the white and Jewish business leaders of America want to make an extra profit by hiring in India. They also are outsourcing lots of blue collar work to China. <br /><br />Ironic that you guys like to blast "81 low IQ Indians" in one breath, but then turn around and damn us for stealing all the tech jobs. <br /><br />As for ethnocentrism, most of the Indian ethnocentrism revolves around caste and language, which are major dividers among Indians. Not really nationality. To the extent that Indians play the status game, they do so against other subgroups of Indians. Not really whites or blacks or Latinos, who they don't socialize with much beyond work. For example, there is a bit of rivalry between North and South Indians. Among 2nd generation Indians, ethnocentrism is low enough that they tend to integrate well into American society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29713065442899377592010-03-26T22:40:57.497-07:002010-03-26T22:40:57.497-07:00This isn't a quid pro quo so much as a laundry...<b>This isn't a quid pro quo so much as a laundry list. I find it odd when I argue to forbid affirmative action (in all publicly-run institutions and those that take taxpayer money), people assume I support legacy admissions (in the same set).</b><br /><br />Let's restate this: whether I agree with them or not, legacy admissions are generally given by private universities. Private institutions, in theory, have the right to discriminate for or against whoever the hell they want.<br /><br />Set-asides are granted - or mandated - by government. Government belongs to us all, and the government has no right to discriminate based on race.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69751542206891268692010-03-26T16:25:18.815-07:002010-03-26T16:25:18.815-07:00Here is another modest proposal. Indians will glad...<i>Here is another modest proposal. Indians will gladly give up those grossly unfair set-asides as soon as colleges get rid of legacy admissions, or other clever admissions policies, such as “geographically diversity.”</i><br /><br />I would take this deal in a heartbeat. This isn't a quid pro quo so much as a laundry list. I find it odd when I argue to forbid affirmative action (in all publicly-run institutions and those that take taxpayer money), people assume I support legacy admissions (in the same set). I happen to think legacy admissions are always stupid, but only should be banned in publicly-run institutions and those that take taxpayer money. Ditto for geographic diversity, although it's not as offensive an inversion of the concept of aristocracy as "legacy".B322https://www.blogger.com/profile/18257802768718375656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14789455519886460382010-03-26T11:35:13.455-07:002010-03-26T11:35:13.455-07:00"TI, GE, Boeing and hundreds of other tech co..."TI, GE, Boeing and hundreds of other tech companies have hired tens of thousands of Indian engineers at Bangalore and this sucks away, US engineering jobs even without immigration"<br /><br />Over the past 6-7 years in India, wages for IT professionals have shot up. They rise by double digit percentages every year and continue to do so. A starting engineer will earn 1/3 of what an American counterpart earns. And the wages are still rising at the same pace. So despite the overall economy of India being Africa like, the gap in IT engineering wages is closing. This seems to show that the talent pool in India is shallow. <br /><br />I would not be overly concerned about outsourcing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59596946200710408042010-03-26T07:47:46.218-07:002010-03-26T07:47:46.218-07:00Oh, and Johnson, don't predict that political ...Oh, and Johnson, don't predict that political "white power" will "never" work. That is only because there are still (just) enough whites that a lot of them feel safe. They aren't and that situation is changing fast. I myself feel extraordinarily different about all this than I did 20 years ago, not because I have changed but because conditions in this country have changed. <br /><br />I know it's an emotional thing to say, but you wonder about the 650,000 who died during the Civil War, for "their" country, would have bothered if their descendants merely dismantled it and gave it away to China, India, and anybody else who could crash the doors. They probably would not be surprised at the "incentives" given to blacks or even Native Americans, but wtf do all these browns and yellows come in?power puffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34740447593450214762010-03-26T07:43:11.152-07:002010-03-26T07:43:11.152-07:00"I suppose the Chinese can say they were work..."I suppose the Chinese can say they were worked like slaves to make the railroads and then forced to live only in ghettos or get beaten up."<br /><br />They came willingly. Civil rights 19th century China were pretty much non-existent, so America was probably paradise by comparison. Except that in China everybody was Chinese.<br /> They weren't treated any worse--probably better--than the Irish, who were used for the most dangerous jobs in the west and mid-west, including the railroads. A black co-worker quoted an employer from the 19th century South who preferred to hire Irish over blacks in a dangerous job because they couldn't afford to lose the blacks (they actually were slaves) while the Irish were cheap to lose.willing wokersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30794704292349680302010-03-26T07:30:06.292-07:002010-03-26T07:30:06.292-07:00"Indians will get behind a color blind agenda..."Indians will get behind a color blind agenda. So readers here have to start distinguishing between productive minorities and unproductive minorities."<br /><br />This is a good point. I am starting to just refuse to fill out that little caveat to employment applications...you know, the one that wants to know how you identify "ethnically" and which is used to assure "lack of discrimination." Suddenly last summer, I twigged. Yeah, no discrimination against blacks, or against some Latino who just got here legally or illegally, or some "person of color." In other words, it is used to discriminate against me. And I sign my own non-job warrant. <br /> So far I haven't submitted this commentary to the employers since I don't want to be a "troublemaker" but this timidity is not going to last. White people setting up discrimination against themselves is just getting increasingly delusional, irrational, self-destructive, unjust and just plain goofy.self-discriminationnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70471507042813215032010-03-26T05:36:35.072-07:002010-03-26T05:36:35.072-07:00TI, GE, Boeing and hundreds of other tech companie...TI, GE, Boeing and hundreds of other tech companies have hired tens of thousands of Indian engineers at Bangalore and this sucks away, US engineering jobs even without immigration<br /><br />Venture capitalists in silicon valley are demanding that half of new jobs be eventually moved to IndiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13695513608506460422010-03-26T05:02:19.588-07:002010-03-26T05:02:19.588-07:00Anon wrote - The Government of India, Dept of Tele...Anon wrote - The Government of India, Dept of Telecommunications, is banning all non-Indian engineers.<br />--<br /><br />The measure is aimed at Huawei and fears of chinese espionageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75325242923645155642010-03-25T22:59:28.563-07:002010-03-25T22:59:28.563-07:00The Government of India, Dept of Telecommunication...The Government of India, Dept of Telecommunications, is banning all non-Indian engineers.<br /><br />http://www.bradreese.com/blog/india-3-23-2010.htm<br /><br />If my link doesn't work, see Brad Reese dot com.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23259877613416920182010-03-25T22:01:49.024-07:002010-03-25T22:01:49.024-07:00"When was the last time one of the Kennedys&q..."When was the last time one of the Kennedys"<br /><br />So, yeah, you have no idea what a "<a href="http://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/01/white-anglo-saxon-protestant.html" rel="nofollow">WASP</a>" is.n/ahttp://racehist.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83948222100880766012010-03-25T21:14:59.611-07:002010-03-25T21:14:59.611-07:00Also, primary immigration by upper-middle class In...Also, primary immigration by upper-middle class Indians has almost come to a halt<br /><br />These days, most upper-middle class Indians go back to India, since they can get a salary 25% of the US salary, <br />with a cost of living 10% of the USA< due to the out-sourcing boom<br /><br />Since 2000, over 50000 Green card holders have gone back to India from Silicon valley<br /><br />Future immigration from India is likely to be more lower classAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com