Headline in the Washington Post:
THE ROOT | Few African Americans at Burning Man
From the Burning Blog:
Is Burning Man a "White People Thing?"
... My very first burn I was astonished to realize that an event that draws so heavily from the diverse San Francisco Bay would produce a population so colorless. From camp to camp, end to end, it was a long block of white as far as the eye could see, with only occasional dots of diversity … rare enough to raise comment. Where were the Asians? Where were the Hispanics? Where were the black people?
I'd be interested in how much of a Northern European v. Southern European divide there is in who attends. The whole hippie thing seems Northern European to me. My cousin, for example, is a regular at Burning Man. He takes after his outdoorsy Swiss German mother, who regrets being too old to give it a try. His sisters take more after their Italian father, and wouldn't be caught dead there.
Why aren't white people supposed to have some events that primarily serve and attract white people?
ReplyDeleteDuh, because that's racist. Get with the program.
DeleteI love this paragraph from the linked blog post:
ReplyDelete"Black men, in particular, are not going to feel comfortable in a sexually charged, public environment with flirty white women and overhyped, anarchic white guys,” he told me. “If somebody’s white girlfriend starts being affectionate with me in public, I’m immediately on my guard and watching him to see if he took offence, and checking the eyes of every white male around to see if he got pissed. They may be super liberal at Burning Man, but there are racist liberals too, they just hide it better."
Just as we all thought, they hide it better.
Having been to a lot of such festivals over my lifetime, it's northern-European descent and Jews, for the most part.
ReplyDeleteThey probably feel uncomfortable being around a mob of intoxicated white folks who are wearing masks and massed around a huge bonfire.
ReplyDeleteNorthern Europeans lead the world in death metal, black metal, thrash metal bands. There may be something in that even though the two crowds are different. Goths are yet a third group, yet they don't seem to be Italians and Greeks in my neck of the woods.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if a sane guy reading such things chances upon the sane thought that either he isn't on the joke or that they are too serious jokers.
ReplyDelete"but there are racist liberals too, they just hide it better."
jussim sayin'
Same with the Grateful Dead inspired jamband scene - very, very white.
ReplyDeleteThe burning man is based on a human sacrifice ritual practiced by the ancient Celts of northern Europe aka barbarians to the Romans who wrote about it:
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicker_man
A wicker man was a large wicker statue of a human used by the ancient Druids (priests of Celtic paganism) for human sacrifice by burning it in effigy, according to Julius Caesar in his Commentarii de Bello Gallico (Commentary on the Gallic War).[1][2]
Caesar reports that some of the Gauls built the effigies out of sticks and placed living men inside, then set them on fire to pay tribute to the gods.
One medieval commentary, the 10th-century Commenta Bernensia, states that men were burned in a wooden mannequin in sacrifice to Taranis.[6]
Wicker men are set ablaze during some neopagan festivities.........since 1986, an effigy of a man has been burned during the Burning Man festival.
Same with the Computer Science department at UC Berkeley.
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"They may be super liberal at Burning Man, but there are racist liberals too, they just hide it better."
ReplyDeleteThe more that white racism is not seen, the more it is suspected to be lurking under the surface, apparently. We literally can't win.
Anybody read the comments on that blog?
ReplyDeleteOne gem of unintentional hilarity from commenter "DonnaMatrix":
"I resent being called “white.” I am peach. Peach is a color. Therefore I am a person of color just as much as any other darker skin human.
This whole White v. Colored should just stop. Stand up against a white board. Compare colors…. and you’ll find you are a color, just a light one.
White people are dead people. White as ghosts (well, lighter skinned ones). I am not dead. I am alive.
Stop calling me white. Please."
I know several "burners", and the scene at BurningMan is overwhelmingly Northern European and Jewish, both American and Israeli.
ReplyDeleteItalian, Greek, Armenian etc. don't really go in for this type of thing. Neither do recent Slavic immigrants.
Burning Man is about as white as it gets.
But, if you mentioned to any of them that some lone black man feels threatened by the environment they create at the festival, you would see an epic display of groveling apologetics. Burners are mostly college educated, and mostly hard left in orientation, and would trip over each other trying to own up to the simmering racism of the festival. You would see alot of sincere declarations about addressing this horrible problem .
In fact, I think they would love to hear this criticism, as ridiculous as it is... it would make them feel socially/culturally relevant.
Maybe it´s drug choice as well. LSD and psychedelics don´t seem to be popular with blacks.
ReplyDeleteAnd, of course, we have the really seriously obviously manifestly tautologically most uber-important question of all: How many SCOTS-IRISH are there at Burning Man?
ReplyDeleteWhere were the Asians? Where were the Hispanics? Where were the black people?
ReplyDeleteWhere were the Greeks? Where were the Italians? Where were the Slavs? Where were the Middle-Easterners?
Northwestern Europeans clearly are different from everyone else.
I've lived most of my adult life in the United States, although I was born and raised elsewhere, and I'm still not a citizen of this country. I'm glad to make my home here, but one thing I have never understood about you people:
ReplyDeleteWHY THE FUCK DOES THIS MATTER?!?!?!
Why does the moral legitimacy of any activity or organization depend on the number of black people it can attract? Why does everyone's motto seem to be "though I may speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but I have no black people, I am but a noisy bell or a clanging cymbal?" Why is the only socially acceptable - or even legal - reason for a dearth of black people in anything is that the thing must be racist?
I don't get it!
As the first commenter said, what's wrong with stuff that appeals primarily to white people? Or black people, or women, or teenagers, any other discrete group?
And why can't we judge people as individuals - you know, like MLK wanted?
I suppose that the current election year has inspired a lot of these stories from the Main Stream Media (viz. the instant meme about the RNC being too white). It's all part of the effort to get BHO elected.
But goddammit I am getting so sick of this aspect of American culture.
http://thisculturalchristian.blogspot.com/2011/09/black-rock-city-nevada-burning-man.html
ReplyDeleteMaybe for blacks, it looks too much like a KKK rally.
Why even call this hippie? It should really be called neo-pagan, and it was the Germanic and Celtic tribes that were into this sort of thing.
ReplyDeleteLatin/Mediterranean machismo is incompatible with hippie sexual (and otherwise) egalitarianism.
ReplyDeleteSo you see a lot of Italian/Greek etc stoners, but not as many embracing the peace/love weenie stuff.
Looks like a cross between WICKER MAN and THE ROAD WARRIOR.
ReplyDelete"Same with the Computer Science department at UC Berkeley."
ReplyDeletethere's a dearth of asians? please show your work
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50400967/turbine/la-oe-brown-burning-man-kandahar-20120831-001/600
ReplyDeleteThis picture makes no sense. The guy is made up as a pink gay fairy but is hugging a woman.
Blacks don't feel like driving way out and paying good money to be burning stuff. If they feel like burning something, they'll just burn down da 'hood, and they can do that for free. Besides, if you burn down the city, you might even get a chance to loot stuff. But what can you loot at Burning Man, especially as white folks are all nude and shit? Stupidass whites don't even have clothes to steal.
ReplyDelete"I resent being called “white.” I am peach. Peach is a color."
ReplyDeleteI am purple myself.
How come no love for the Rainbow Gathering?
ReplyDeleteAny fun hippie thing like this usually gets turned into a nightmare (look at reggae on the river in Humboldt) as frat boys and thuggish minorities show up to ogle and grope the naked chicks, fight and steal stuff. Burning Man smartly dealt with this by isolating itself out in the Nevada desert, charging a lot for tickets and having a generally participatory ethos.
ReplyDeleteI've never been, because I'm fairly shy and introverted, but my techie/creative friends (mostly northern Euro, Ashkenazi and Asian, plus a French chick with big boobs) go every year and seem to have a great time. Western Civ. needs Dionysian as well as Apollonian events to stay sane and creative.
"Why does the moral legitimacy of any activity or organization depend on the number of black people it can attract?"
ReplyDeleteGood question. How much do white people really worry about this and how much is it just a convenient club for whomping on other white people?
Burning Man is more white than the GOP?
ReplyDeleteI'll bet classical music concerts are racist too. But I suppose there being lots of Asians makes it somewhat okay.
ReplyDeleteThe point is not to call Burning Man racist. The point is to point out the disparity and explore what that means.
DeleteI think most Dr. Who fans are white. (I hate that show!) It be racist.
ReplyDeleteBurning man is a festival for, by, and about geeks. And all geeks are white. There are plenty of Germans and Scandinavians who wouldn't be caught dead at this festival of geek self-absorption.
ReplyDeleteWinnie Mandela sure was an expert at burning real men.
ReplyDeleteWinnie Mandela sure was an expert at burning real men.
From one of the comments in that Burning blog:
ReplyDeleteI resent being called “white.” I am peach. Peach is a color. Therefore I am a person of color just as much as any other darker skin human.
This whole White v. Colored should just stop. Stand up against a white board. Compare colors…. and you’ll find you are a color, just a light one.
White people are dead people. White as ghosts (well, lighter skinned ones). I am not dead. I am alive.
Stop calling me white. Please.
Ok, then...
I attended Burning Man a decade ago, and the experience actually was an important waypoint towards accepting HBD.
ReplyDeleteBurning Man is the hippie fantasy made real. Ubiquitous cooperation and community, creativity and self-expression, all very real. There are nubile half-naked women tripping out of their mind on E, and for the most part they are not molested, raped, or taken advantage of. It made me start thinking why real life wasn't like Burning Man.
The answer is pretty clear: Burning Man is segregated, and it discriminates against idiots and troublemakers. Not by rules or laws, but with expense, effort, and distance.
It costs hundreds of dollars to attend, requires extensive logistical planning, and requires hours of driving to camp out in the desert for days. It's too high of a hurdle for all of the rabble, so the hippie fantasy can become real for at least a brief moment.
The Occupy people tried to invoke a similar ethos in their encampments. But their urban locale, free amenities, and inability to exclude the rabble inevitably doomed their efforts.
Discrimination: it works!
This cracks me up. It seems that there is a problem in this country--there aren't enough black people to go around.
ReplyDeleteYou see, black people are underrepresented in many professions, neighborhoods, schools, activities, movies, etc etc. So they need to be allocated better in order to achieve proper representation.
However, dilution of the black population across all segments of society will make it impossible for blacks to continue being overrepresented in the sports, neighborhoods, tv shows that constitute much of their identity.
For example, we need to have black people in all mainstream television commercials and as newscasters, etc. But we also need to have exclusively black media so they can feel completely at home.
This is manageable because the same actors can appear on different shows. But what about neighborhoods? How will we ever achieve parity in living, such that no neighborhood underrepresents black people, while black people continue to have their own traditionally black areas or schools?
Black men, in particular, are not going to feel comfortable in a sexually charged, public environment with flirty white women and overhyped, anarchic white guys,” he told me. “If somebody’s white girlfriend starts being affectionate with me in public, I’m immediately on my guard and watching him to see if he took offence, and checking the eyes of every white male around to see if he got pissed. They may be super liberal at Burning Man, but there are racist liberals too, they just hide it better."
ReplyDeleteWe don't bother your women, why do you always bother ours?
"plus a French chick with big boobs"
ReplyDeletepics?
I wonder how many Celts were there in comparison to Germans? Or how many Catholics were there in comparison to Protestants? Or how many liberals in comparison to conservatives? Of course, the writer was really worried that too many white people would realize that things tend to be less violent when blacks and Hispanics aren't around.
ReplyDeleteGood question. How much do white people really worry about this and how much is it just a convenient club for whomping on other white people?
ReplyDeleteI play music in some celtic, old time, bluegrass and contra circles in Washington DC.
FWIW, Contra dancing, is square dancing for progressives, essentially.
Anyhow, this stuff makes Burning Man look like the rainbow coalition.
Given half a chance, everyone will profess their utter love for minorities and adulation for anyone who has anything to do with them, like being an ESL teacher.
There will be general deploration of the lack of minorities in the scene, nice words of tolerance, then everyone retires to various white enclaves around the metro area.
However, if the subject is Christians or Southerners, especially Southerners, which is especially ironic given the Southern roots of a lot of this music, the hate, bigotry, and stereotypes flow freely.
It can be a real fly on the wall type of experience.
This is somewhat less common in bluegrass and old time, as there are occasionally real live Southerners and Christians present.
Anyhow, my take is that these people all really, really want to believe in this but at some level understand that their actions belie their words.
Their inner conflict over this is similar to Christians feeling guilt over sins and attempting to expiate it by prominent displays of piety.
For the most part, I view this sort of PC as fulfilling some cultural/tribal/psychological need for Northern Europeans that has previously satisfied by their now abandoned Christianity.
You know, guilt, worship of the poor, helpless, etc. The analogies between PC and Christianity - their treatment of heretics, extreme analysis of dogma (how many angels on the head of pin vs. all the obscure racist things now), the state of grace conferred upon true believers, preservation of the faith by women, self abnegation,and so forth - are so numerous and obvious that it seems hard that anyone would think it was anything else.
I thought this was the most insightful comment on that thread:
ReplyDelete"Sometimes, when I read/hear/etc. white people worrying about predominantly white activities and events continuing to be predominantly white, the desire for inclusion takes more sinister undertones. Rather than coming across as welcoming, it comes across as colonizing. I suppose that it’s a sort of perverse confidence that white culture has in its activities, that white people just assume that participation must necessarily be desirable for people of color.
To try and put this in perspective with an bit of an analogy, there’s an Italian church in my city which holds a Good Friday procession like the ones that get held all over Italy. I’ve participated in it even though I’m pretty clearly not Italian (and also in spite of the fact that when I tell friends about it, their responses tend towards: “You went into a church?!? And didn’t catch fire?”). It’s a wonderful event, and I’ve found it to be quite welcoming. And yet, the participants are (wait for it) overwhelmingly Italian; there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that it’s an Italian thing, or that it should be anything other than an Italian thing. The fact that it’s an Italian thing has never really made me feel unwelcome or excluded as a non-Italian; rather I suspect I’d feel quite a bit less welcome if people there were to start asking me to help them achieve better diversity, and address the issue of it being an Italian thing.
Ok, Burning Man is a white people thing? So what? White people things are another facet of cultural diversity. When’s the last time that any of these hand-wringing white folks went and enjoyed themselves e.g. at a black people thing (a black people thing that was welcoming/accepting/inclusive of white people without sacrificing its character as a black people thing to be that way, of course)?
Basically, I think that there’s a very fine line to be drawn between inclusivity and cultural imperialism, and if we don’t let Talicia (and other like-minded burners of color) handle this, then we’re probably on the wrong side of that line."
The burning man is based on a human sacrifice ritual practiced by the ancient Celts of northern Europe aka barbarians to the Romans who wrote about it
ReplyDeleteAll true I'm sure but lets face facts, this current incarnation derives from the 1973 British film:
The Wicker Man
It's a very, very NW European thing. My blonde hippie friend of British-German ancestry once took her Arab husband to Burning Man and introduced him to all her NW Euro hippie friends. They blatantly snubbed him.
ReplyDeleteWhere were the Greeks?
ReplyDeleteWhy do people keep mentioning the Greeks? I wouldn't expect to find Greeks in most areas of the USA. There are not they many of them in the world, or here. Compared to Germans and Italians, Greeks only immigrated here in about one tenth the number.
Dionysian/pagan revelry is incompatible with Christianity.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that there are very few Christians at Burning Man. Probably none.
As Christianity loses its grip on American culture, Dionysian and other pagan festivals are bound to proliferate. In time they may feature actual human sacrifices.
In the past year, I've been to 3 music festivals: Outside Lands, Coachella, and this weekend, the FYF Fest, here in Los Angeles. The Whiteness of these events is amazing to behold. Outside Lands in SF was very white and very chemically altered. Coachella in the SoCal desert was very white, but being that it was in SoCal and a very popular event, there was a smattering of other races. FYF Fest held in downtown LA is very White, Asian and Hispanic. The common denominator to all music fests is the dearth of black people.
ReplyDeleteThere are 2 classes of entertainment in this country. R&B, Rap and Pop that appeals to the vast non-discerning populace, and the rest of the "alternative/fringe" crowd that takes effort to culturally "opt in." I've yet to see or hear a car cruising through the hood booming Sonic Youth or Health.
Why is the only socially acceptable - or even legal - reason for a dearth of black people in anything is that the thing must be racist?
ReplyDeleteI don't get it!
This country used to have freedom of association. It's in the Bill of the Rights. But the legal system was used as a blunt "anti-racist" hammer and took lack of statistical representation as a sign of racism that must be destroyed. After a few years of Federal Marshals, court cases, and the like, everyone, in particular the large "big-pockets" corporations, got the message. So now we all profess the holy black ratio like holywater, to keep the ebil legal beagle/vampires and the folks with nuclear weapons at bay. Too bad the legal system has no mechanism to go back and revisit decissions due to bad science; some of the critical decisions early-on clearly were, based on what's known today.
Personally, I think the colors of people at the Democratic National Convention clash with one another, like putting on an orange skirt with a red blouse.
ReplyDeleteSame with the Grateful Dead inspired jamband scene - very, very white.
ReplyDeleteYep, in the mid-80's in New England, there was a grand total of one Black Deadhead. It seemed like you'd see him at every show -- he really stood out.
Latin/Mediterranean machismo is incompatible with hippie sexual (and otherwise) egalitarianism.
Hippies were as "sexist" as anybody else.
"Anonymous Ex Submarine Officer said...
ReplyDeleteFWIW, Contra dancing, is square dancing for progressives, essentially."
Who'd have ever thought that progressives would be "pro-contra". (for you youngsters, that's an 80s reference).
Gosh. Different people like different things. I thought that "diversity" meant that everyone was supposed to be the same.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Everyone keeps telling me "you have to go" and then I realized 'everyone' were Nordic Blue Eyed Blondes.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, wanted to add that when all these middle-aged white liberal musicians with middle-class white existences get to see a picture of me in my old jazz band (me and 5 old black dudes), the envy is palpable.
ReplyDeleteThey just gush over this and it really does put me on a higher moral plane. I find this dreadfully entertaining, especially as they then assume I am an even higher order PC person than them, actually hanging out and making music w/bona fide non-whites.
Now, making music w/blacks vs. whites, that is a whole 'nother topic that is pretty interesting.
Now, making music w/blacks vs. whites, that is a whole 'nother topic that is pretty interesting.
ReplyDeleteGo on, go on.
This raises a question: How many "implicitly white" events and institutions are not white in general, but rather northwestern European? And if Burning Man is no more generally "White" than Oktoberfest, then which major events are implicitly white in the "includes all white ethnies" sense?
ReplyDeletenefarious skeptic said...
ReplyDeleteI love this paragraph from the linked blog post:
"Black men, in particular, are not going to feel comfortable in a sexually charged, public environment with flirty white women and overhyped, anarchic white guys,” he told me. “If somebody’s white girlfriend starts being affectionate with me in public...
Classic black male self deception, the black male is always the victim of the WHITE woman's sexual aggression and the White man's racist hostility.
In reality it's the White woman who is the target of the black male's sexual aggression and the black female's racially motivated sexual envy.
Burning man, Portland, The National Parks, X-Games, the TV show "Girls" have all been targets in America's obsessive search for White sin and the need for black salvation.
And these are the good "White People".
Whitey just can't catch a break.
Did the Washington Post ever ask why there wasn't more "diversity" at Freaknik?
I am heavily involved in the jamband and related music scene in NorCal, and as others have noted, the audience is overwhelmingly N. European & Jewish. There are a number of black musicians in the scene that are highly respected, but still very few blacks in the audience when they perform. Even the mammoth and free Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival in Golden Gate Park, is attended by few blacks.
ReplyDeleteI attended Reggae on the River for the first time in summer 2011, and while there were more blacks than usual, they still couldn't have been more than 1%. These were almost all serious, mostly older Rastafarians and did not cause any trouble. While Benbow Lake in southernmost Humboldt County is not quite the trek as Black Rock Desert, Nevada, it's still substantial, and blacks from Oakland aren't going to drive up there.
Burning Man. White people making asses of themselves trying to connect with their primitive pagan past. No wonder negroes stay away in droves.
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ReplyDeleteYoutube - Ending of the Wicker Man 1973
Of course, the original 'burning man' was described by Julius Caesar in his 'Gallic Wars'.
ReplyDeleteApparently the Celtic tribes of France built huge 'wicker men' out of wood, wicker-work etc, which contained live captives. The whole was torched as a sacrifice to the gods. Caesar was horrified by this.
- Perhaps it's a racial memory thing of past ages in the dark, dank, forests of Europe?
Burning Man be mighty racist, yo.
ReplyDeleteBlack people have an aversion to any connection to a tribal past. You rarely hear black people mention the African tribes of sub-Sahara Africa as tribes. Instead, there is an unmentioned idea that Africans were on the same technological and social plain as Europeans or that there were civilizations in West Africa. Scientists indulge black people by characterizing these tribal areas as civilzations when they don't even meet the frist definition of having a written language. Black people want to be so pro-black yet they avoid using African names instead choosing European or Middle Eastern names or creating new names based on European or Middle Eastern names.
Steve,
ReplyDeleteIf you ever attend a major craft show, it is also as white as burning man. See https://www.wareaglemill.com/fair.html
Also, visit the local farmers market. Whiter than a PGA golf tournament.
Blacks just do not feel comfortable in any situation where there is not a significant number of blacks.
It is a nudist vacation for curious elitists. It provides the artsy veneer that many people need to justify attending such an event. They bring kids, yuck. Doesn't that get you on some list if you get naked in front of kids?
ReplyDeleteBecause it is elitest, and because most of the attendees would judge most of the people here to be guilty of hate speech, I think we should get the feds involved to bus in some groups from black colleges, maybe even give them grants to attend.
"Black men, in particular, are not going to feel comfortable in a sexually charged, public environment with flirty white women and overhyped, anarchic white guys,”
ReplyDeleteI call bullshit. My guess is that black men don't go to burning men for the same reason they don't visit national parks: the outdoors just don't appeal to them like they do Nordic white people.
C'mon guys, is it so hard to understand? 'Burning Man' sounds a lot like a deep-seated black nightmare from their days in the deep south a few generations ago- a bunch of white guys getting together, burning big wooden things, talking about burning men....
ReplyDelete"Shouting Thomas said...
ReplyDeleteWhy aren't white people supposed to have some events that primarily serve and attract white people?"
Can't have that, they might actually do something about their dispossession and being treated like second hand citizens in their own countries....
Ex Sub, I've always found playing with those doing drugs as opposed to those not doing them to be more of a divide than black/white.
ReplyDeleteAre there really "no Slavs", as some commentators are posting? Back in the home countries Czechs, Slovaks and Poles are basically in the same cultural sphere as Germans and nordics. they love hiking, camping, heavy metal, etc. Even Russians and Ukrainians tend to like Germanic culture. Is the issue in the US that Slavs tend to be white working class and thus viscerally anti SWPL?
ReplyDeleteBlack folks don't need Burning Man, they have the Foot Wash in Alabama:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3zfw3YCqls
Lots of booty shaking, not so much apprecation of nature.
As Nancy Pelosi might say: "Are you serious? Are you SERIOUS?"
ReplyDeleteMy oh my, not enough blacks at Burning Man. What'll we ever do? For starters, we can "notice" a few other places and events that don't have a lot of black people.
The opera. The ballet. Art museums. Museums of any kind. Technology trade shows. Expensive New York City restaurants. Rock concerts of every kind. Craft fairs. The rodeo. Ski centers. Hockey games. Comic book conventions. Renaissance Fairs. Broadway, off-Broadway, off-off-Broadway. Jazz clubs. Film festivals. Fashion shows. Book fairs. Libraries. Business school. Polo matches. The symphony. Wagner festivals. Mostly Mozart festivals. Volvo dealerships.
Must one go on? The more we look, the more we realize the vast, hidden racism of cultural and athletic events that creates an atmosphere of hatred so palpable that blacks are unable to deal with the emotional fallout of attending such events. Or, one might notice that blacks, being less intelligent, less educated and less culturally interested, just don't give a crap about the above list of exciting white activities, and no amount of moral pant-wetting by whites is going to change it.
Part of "diversity" is getting to choose. White liberals choose race-replacement immigration policies because it's an essential part of their moral preening. Blacks choose to not do white things, because they don't get them, can't understand them, don't care about them, don't even know they exist.
When a foolish reporter asks "where are the black people?" the only proper response is, "It's a white thing, you wouldn't understand."
Outlaw self-hate speech.
ReplyDeleteI have a good friend of mine who is heavily into the whole Renaissance Fair scene, also a nearly 100% white activity, with lots of dressing up and pretending to live in an idealized pre-NAM Northern European existance.
ReplyDeleteI also attend a craft beer festival every year that is essentially 100% NAM-free. That's probably b/c the ticket ($50) is prohibitively expensive for them. The concept of a few thousand (mostly) men getting drunk on unlimited beer with no fights, stabbings, shootings, etc. would be unthinkable with a signifciant NAM population.
Nerd and SWPL activities, especially those that require $$$, effort, cooperation or organization will logically exclude NAMs. Which is just the way they like it.
As an attendee of exactly one BM (Burned once twice shy?) let's look at the numbers. Reno, BM is a very Reno thing, is about 2.5% black, the US is maybe at most 15% black, planet earth like 5%. You need a fair amount of money to attend burning man, as you need to buy camping equipment, take a week off or more off from work. While children are welcome and safe, I doubt parents have the time and money to go to BM. To truly be involved in BM costs even more time and money if you are organizing a camp, which includes temporary buildings to be assembled on site. BM is international so I would say that at the current time 97% of possible participants are light skinned. So basically if you adjust for wealth and lifestyle (comparatively few religious people) you could find that blacks are actually over represented.
ReplyDeleteBM leads to some rather strange introspection. Why are there so few blacks, why are they so unconcerned about global warming (lighting things on fire is extremely common form of art including mushroom cloud enormous explosions). Why why why is an event devoted to techno music drugs, automobiles, and fire art so politically incorrect?
As to Hispanics, which is a vague term, I saw plenty of people that could qualify.
So in short BM demographics reflect a more or less random selection of people with the time, money, and inclination to go.
I didn't see any Jehovah's Witnesses giving out literature, why is that? Why why why? It actually makes sense at BM, where are they?
"We don't bother your women, why do you always bother ours?"
ReplyDeleteYou said it right there, Brother, LEAVE OUT CHIX ALONE!
-Paul Ryan
"Few African-Americans at burning man"...
ReplyDeleteThe horror! The horror!
"Is burning man a "white people thing"".
So what if it is? Does this mean the sun will fall from the heavens?
As an outsider, I am always amazed at how just about anything in the USA can be made into a racial issue in some way or another.
What ever happened to freedom of association? People having their own preferences for what they like?
Maybe they just have too much common sense to spend an August weekend on a dry lakebed.
ReplyDelete
ReplyDelete"Whites have this thing for the environment. A longing most other groups lose once they go urban."
Hey Harvard,
Other groups never radically f*cked up the earth in the first place.
And if Burning Man is no more generally "White" than Oktoberfest, then which major events are implicitly white in the "includes all white ethnies" sense?
ReplyDeleteWell, industrialized warfare seems to have been largely a pan-European thing.
Japan proved to be a relatively first class player in this, but as usual, they are the outliers on their ability to adopt and adapt Western/SWPL ideas/practices.
Dutch Boy/Norwegian wouldn't be caught dead at that Loserfest!
ReplyDeletethe scene at BurningMan is overwhelmingly Northern European and Jewish
ReplyDeleteBut you repeat yourself.
I'm half Sicilian, native Friscan, and I hate hippies.
ReplyDeleteIt's because those scandinavians get so little light up there, they need to stay out long enough to get some good vitamin D.
ReplyDeleteIt seems like mainly people whose ancestors spent a long time in high latitudes appreciate nature. There seems to be a high latitude suite of personality types and cultural patterns.
ReplyDeleteGlastonbury Festival (and Stonehenge Free festival - stopped 25 years back) in the UK used to be very white back in the 70s. But by the mid-80s urban youth had discovered that it was full of people with money to buy drugs, so you had gangs at the festivals selling to them.
ReplyDeleteThe whole outdoor walking / climbing / sailing scene in the UK, as in the US, is hideously white. You just don't get half a dozen black friends renting a house in Glencoe or the Welsh mountains.
"Where were the Greeks? Where were the Italians? Where were the Slavs? Where were the Middle-Easterners?
ReplyDeleteNorthwestern Europeans clearly are different from everyone else. "
I dont think Slavs are all that different from North West Europeans. they tend to be a lot into beoing out-doorsy and black metal.
Hmmm, why would blacks not want to be taken to a remote location with a mob of hopped up white people and see a burning man? 'Tis a puzzle.
ReplyDelete"Why is the only socially acceptable - or even legal - reason for a dearth of black people in anything is that the thing must be racist?
ReplyDeleteI don't get it!"
How many black psychiatrists are there in NYC? When will the Justice Dept's OCR look into this statistical crime?
So this is what white nationalists have been up to. Too much white here. Wheres the ADL and SPLC?
ReplyDelete**How will we ever achieve parity in living, such that no neighborhood underrepresents black people, while black people continue to have their own traditionally black areas or schools?
ReplyDelete**
This is a great question, and like all great questions, it makes the answer obvious.
Gerrymandering. We need to reject the old school notion that 'neighborhoods' are a discrete geographical entity. Instead, my neighborhood should include a narrow strip down the middle of the freeway that then swings out to take in a slice of the hood. Voila, instant diversity for my neighborhood!
-Osvalod m.
Location, location, location.
ReplyDeleteactually, the main issue shouldn't be 'why few blacks at burning man?' but 'why so many whites at such a retarded event?' It looks really really stupid. I mean the idea of full-grown people driving to a middle of a desert to get naked and burn stuff? Gimme a break.
ReplyDeleteIf you wanna get naked and burn stuff, go barbeque nude in the backyard.
Maybe Sailer should start an event called PLUNGING MAN. We all go to a lake and plunge in and out like manatees.
ReplyDelete"They may be super liberal at Burning Man, but there are racist liberals too, they just hide it better. Just as we all thought, they hide it better."
ReplyDeleteAny viewpoint with either an implicit or explicit premise that only white people are racist is anti-white racism.
ex-sub officer
ReplyDelete"For the most part, I view this sort of PC as fulfilling some cultural/tribal/psychological need for Northern Europeans that has previously satisfied by their now abandoned Christianity."
Yes, the irresistable force of a biologial compulsion to egalitarianism meets the immoveable object of hbd head-on and leads to a secular religious madness.
Rational and *benign* (i.e. slow) eugenics to equalize upwards or rapid equalizing downwards (i.e. dysgenic suicide) are the only two ways out of the impasse.
Minorities probably avoid burning man because it is a retarded display of people with nothing useful to do with themselves.
ReplyDeleteBurning Man is actually an off-shoot of the San Francisco Industrial/Noise/No Wave scene of the late 1970's. Mark Pauline, an artist who worked with scrap industrial, mechanical, electrical and military equipment and re-purposed them for his own performances, some fairly risky for spectators. His Survival Research Laboratories was involved with the original Burning Man.
ReplyDeleteThe people involved with the scene were generally apolitical, but a lot of the more influential participants were enamored with Social Darwinism, ultra-violence, and authoritarian regimes, predominately on the right. A big push was for a return to atavism/tribalism and finding ways to express primal urges suppressed by modern polite society. The proponents were anti-egalitarian and hierarchical. The scene that sparked burning man was philosophically 180 degrees away from the hippies.
Minorities probably avoid burning man because it is a retarded display of people with nothing useful to do with themselves.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
But, you have to admit that with the possible exception of the Japanese, no race is better than white people at putting an insane amount of effort and creativity into doing nothing useful.
About that Wicker Man clip. I've heard of the storyline but have never seen the movie.
ReplyDeleteThere are analogous stories in literature like The Lottery, and the superstitious peasants like in Frankenstein (or at least the movie).
Something in me though just won't let me find things like this scary. They seem ludicrous to me.
This clip sums up the way all mobs of this sort should be treated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFriRcIwqNU
Bruce Campbell showed us the way.
ReplyDelete"Whites have this thing for the environment. A longing most other groups lose once they go urban."
Hey Harvard,
Other groups never radically f*cked up the earth in the first place.
Hacienda. What you say is true. What the previous poster says is true, too. On your comment: don't worry, once they get access to infrastructure,the "otbher groups" start destroying the earth with a venegence. See China and Nigeria.
Anonymous said...
"How can Burning Man be "a Northern European thing" when there are many Jews there?"
Interesting question.
Are Ashkenazi Jews an inbred clannish population inside an outbred individualistic northern euro population or are they one of the earliest outbred (within national boundaries) populations with a consequent need for idealogy (including racial idealogy) based cohesion?
In terms of their representation in
festivals, the Askenazi are showing the effect of living for a millennium amongst Northern Europeans. It's absurd to say that they were never Europeanized to some extent.
Judaism largely consists of doing pointless rituals. So the less observant might still desire to make offerings at pagan temples.
DeleteHacienda:"Hey Harvard,
ReplyDeleteOther groups never radically f*cked up the earth in the first place."
Such perfect ignorance;look up the massive ecological damage caused by Middle Easterners, East Asians, Amerinds....
Syon
Anonymous:"How can Burning Man be "a Northern European thing" when there are many Jews there?"
ReplyDelete...Because many Ashkenazi Jews are culturally northern European.
Syon
Why the hell would I want to drive to the middle of the Nevada desert and put up with 100 degree heat to watch people burn shit for a week?
ReplyDeleteWhy would anyone want to burn cars because the Lakers won?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBVW801ZvRM
At least the BM's (ha, ha, ha) are paying for their own stupid/destructive pyro fun.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/aug/31/american-football-kent-state-andre-parker-video
ReplyDeletePerhaps one reason northwest europeans are so different from southern and eastern europeans is that non-european invaders never conquered that corner of Europe. The huns, arabs, mongols and turks were all stopped either by force of arms or by the heavily forested terrain.
ReplyDeleteThe arabs were turned back at Tours, the turks at Vienna and the Mongols were effectively stopped in Hungary.
Blacks just do not feel comfortable in any situation where there is not a significant number of blacks.
ReplyDeleteMost people are like this, really, in preferring the company of their own group (not necessarily racial). This fails to explain why blacks, whites, etc. prefer certain activities and interests. It's not just being with their own kind.
It seems like mainly people whose ancestors spent a long time in high latitudes appreciate nature. There seems to be a high latitude suite of personality types and cultural patterns.
ReplyDeleteLike Eskimos and Siberians? I don't think that Eskimos appreciate nature any more (or less) than other Native Americans.
Other groups never radically f*cked up the earth in the first place.
ReplyDeleteOoops, leftist caught in a lie. Aboriginal Australians turned the massive forest and jungle into an outback.
And, the Ganges was presumably a healthy river, long ago.
But we'll let you go on about how your people are noble savages, but not savages at all, really, and how you're mad that your extremely advanced egalitarian civilization was destroyed by some blankets from Amherst. Or whatever.
"In terms of their representation in festivals, the Askenazi are showing the effect of living for a millennium amongst Northern Europeans. It's absurd to say that they were never Europeanized to some extent."
ReplyDeleteSure, the point was did living in northern Europe and conforming to the uniquely odd Euro marriage culture (but within the endogmaous limit of their religion) have an effect on Ashkenazi different from Jews living in places where that marriage culture didn't apply?
Northwest europeans also seem to be unusually prone to public nudity and pedophilia. Google for the criminals busted for child pornography or child sex abuse and the names and images are overwhelmingly northwestern european.
ReplyDeleteWhat do HBDers make of this?
Why the hell would I want to drive to the middle of the Nevada desert and put up with 100 degree heat to watch people burn shit for a week?
ReplyDeleteHa ha, I love it that Road Pizza showed up late and made the same snide comment that had been made, in funnier form, like half a dozen times previously.
Couldn't even copy and paste "dry lakebed", could you, Pizza boy?
I think Nordics were hunter-gatherers more recently than most populations.
ReplyDeleteMost BM attendees can't afford it, hence the plethora of BM fundraisers to get the money to go out in the desert and do drugs away from black people for a week.
ReplyDeleteanonymous:"Northwest europeans also seem to be unusually prone to public nudity and pedophilia. Google for the criminals busted for child pornography or child sex abuse and the names and images are overwhelmingly northwestern european.
ReplyDeleteWhat do HBDers make of this?"
That child sexual predation is under-reported in many areas of the globe; for example, try studying up on the massive sexual exploitation of young boys by older men in the Middle East, or the trade in underage female prostitutes in East Asia.
Syon
"Northwest europeans also seem to be unusually prone to public nudity and pedophilia."
ReplyDeleteI think the nudity is related to the rest of the discussion.
Pedophilia - if you include underage but post-pubescent girls the official picture is a big fat lie and certain populations have as extremely high rates of underage child-rape as they have of rape in general.
Pre-pubescent it's hard to say because most cultures have a huge family shame taboo over revealing it. It should be remembered that it is only very recently that white populations stopped covering this crime up and most other populations still do. I've known cases where someone from an ethnic enclave has gone to the police about this has happening within their family and their home was besieged by a mob angry at shame being brought on them as a community.
Big factor.
I think one of the most important parts of burning man is its ability to create a sense of community and culture for those who attend. The need to feel a part of a group is very deeply rooted in people and greatly lacking in non-religious practicing, non-sports fanatic, white Americans. Those who repeatedly attend and contribute find a sense of identity in it that they likely can not find otherwise.
ReplyDeleteHardship or oppression help to bond communities. Wealthy, educated, healthy, white, secular people from a huge dominate country don't have many opportunities to find hardships to bond over. So they invent one. The harsh environment of the desert provides this element, a difficultly to overcome, a reason to need to rely on one another person or to be helpful. A shared experience.
If you come from a minority group that already has a sense of identity maybe there isn't such a need to contrive one.
"anonymous:"Northwest europeans also seem to be unusually prone to public nudity and pedophilia. Google for the criminals busted for child pornography or child sex abuse and the names and images are overwhelmingly northwestern european.
ReplyDeleteWhat do HBDers make of this?"
Baby rape is huge in Africa. I remember reading some harrowing account of it in South Africa where it is thought to cure AIDS. I thought it was limited to SA, but child and baby rape is very common throughout Africa.
It was the British who outlawed child marriage in India, c. 1840s, with limited success. Doctors were still receiving cases everyday of little girls under 13, as young as 7, who had been "married." Hindus were infamous for it.
Child rape is rampant among poorer "Hispanics."
Child rape, like any kind of rape, is a crime most often committed by men with very low IQs. Of all crimes, violent rape is most characterized by that fact. Obviously there are exceptions.
As far as Scandinavia, considering the world-class human rights that Scandis claim, I hardly think they get away with much child rape. I used to wonder about that until I found out that foreigners, counting on liberal Scandi laws, set up porn shop there.
There are Scandinavians involved but not many compared to other countries.
The more developed a country, the more its crimes are reported. That can make 10 rapes a year seem like a crime wave if the poor country next door reports none at all because it doesn't keep stats, or the crime is so common, or the victims are afraid to report it.
Scandinavia is freakin' paradise compared to most countries.
BTW, of the dozens of rapes committed in Norway in the past year, virtually all were committed by foreigners, mostly Somalis and Pakistanis. One beautiful 14 yr old girl committed suicide after being raped by 3 Somalis.
What in god's name are SOMALIS doing in Norway? And is anybody surprised they so shamefully violate their host country's hospitality.
"Northwest europeans also seem to be unusually prone to public nudity and pedophilia."
ReplyDeleteThere was a recent brouha over the explosion of info about a multi-million dollar child porn thing going on in Japan. But again, highly developed countries mostly think these things are bad and do report them. Backward countries, and less developed or democratic countries, do not report them. You really sound rather ignorant of the world, or else you think we are.
Rates of child molestation have a lot to do with how drunk men are. It's a big problem on Indian reservations and in Australian Aboriginal settlements, probably due to pervasive alcoholism.
ReplyDeleteNorthwest europeans also seem to be unusually prone to public nudity and pedophilia. Google for the criminals busted for child pornography or child sex abuse and the names and images are overwhelmingly northwestern european.
ReplyDeleteI despair of living in a world where people think that "Google for the criminals busted for child pornography or child sex abuse and the names and images are overwhelmingly northwestern european" constitutes some sort of scientific argument.
In NJ where I live I periodically read stories in the local papers of guys being arrested for child sex abuse. They're almost always Hispanic or Muslim though. And it would not occur to me to say anything as stupid as "Look at these stories - they show that child sexual abuse is most common among Hispanics and Muslims".
It would not surprise me if child sex abuse is more common among Hispanics and Muslims, but I'd need some actual data before I'm make that claim.
Backward countries, and less developed or democratic countries, do not report them.
ReplyDeleteLook at the advanced countries, such as the US, with large non-northwest european minorities. Why do nordics dominate the list of criminals busted for child pornography and child rape? We are not talking of 14 year olds here, we are talking of 4 year olds. And we are talking of people in respected professions like pastors, priests, teachers, coaches etc commiting these heinous crimes. Check google news everyday for "child porn" and "pedophile" and see for yourself:
http://tinyurl.com/8we97b8
http://tinyurl.com/c4ag9mg
"Northwest europeans also seem to be unusually prone to public nudity and pedophilia."
ReplyDeleteNorthwest Europeans are unusually prone to creating envy in white-haters who like to talk trash. Public nudity is way more common in New Guinea, sub-Saharan Africa, etc., than it is in Scandinavia. Pedophilia is becoming increasingly common there, as race-Marxists infesting Scandinavian governments invite in increasing numbers of people whose chief religious profit was a pedophile.
In any case it's good to know Steve is allowing retorts to anti-white comments.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/bad-acid-weird-boobs-why-burning-man-isnt-worth-it/
ReplyDeleteToo cynical?
ReplyDelete"
Nordics were barbarians until very recently. The Scandinavians for example were civilized just a millennium ago.
I wonder if all these nude nordic neo-pagans appreciate how primitive and barbaric the culture they are trying to revive was? We are talking of human sacrifices, cannibalism, trial by combat etc
"
They were not really. Cannibalism? Where do you get that? It's still going on in Africa, so maybe Africans would like burning man after all?
A lot of nonsense is believed about Scandinavia. They had advanced navigational skills, metal working and ship building long before one millenia ago. The Vikings were a subset of a criminal element and they did need civilizing, but they were not representative of most Scandinavians. It was, in fact, a pretty advanced culture, and they ruled most of Russia by the 900s, at least what is now the western portion.\
I know anti-HBDrs (useful shorthand) love to toy with the notion of "barbaric" Scandinavians but they were pretty advanced. Just not urban, but more rural and seafaring.
We had this discussion a few months ago. Scandinavia is well represented, in proportion to other western countries, by scientists, explorers, inventors, and various other VIPs in the cultural/scientific/technological world.
Still, the idea that they were "civilized" 1000 yrs ago does pay some surprising (these days) respect to the civilizing influence of religion. It was 1000 yrs ago that they accepted Christianity.
Anonymous:"I wonder if all these nude nordic neo-pagans appreciate how primitive and barbaric the culture they are trying to revive was? We are talking of human sacrifices, cannibalism, trial by combat etc"
ReplyDeleteBurning Man is SWPL barbarian paganism; just as with SWPL worship of Amerinds, the rough edges have been smoothed off.
Syon
"Look at the advanced countries, such as the US, with large non-northwest european minorities. Why do nordics dominate the list of criminals busted for child pornography and child rape?"
ReplyDeleteThere may be some truth in it but it's hard to say for sure when even only 30 years ago most white families / communities would hide that particular crime much more than they do now while a lot of other populations still hide it.
"Nordics were barbarians until very recently. The Scandinavians for example were civilized just a millennium ago."
ReplyDeleteWhat kind of barbarians and what kind of civilization do you mean?
There is nothing in archeology that indicates that Scandinavia were ever behind the rest of the world when it came to technology from the Bronze age and up.
When it comes to our justice system, it is older than our surviving Christian sources, as can be seen out of the etymology of words.
The word "thing" was originally something that was judged on the thing,and the words for law and lake was originally the same, and probably meant something that flowed. Destiny, fate was called ur-log, that is Ur-law or original law.
These words are also found in German, Dutch and English, a strong indication that the Germanic nations must have had a system of law, from before they split up in different languages.
Another funny thing is the word heathen, that originally seems to have meant open, glory, honor, and when Christianity arrived, the word also started meaning somebody who worshiped in the open rather than in a church, for instance on a heath.
I can understand that an American thinks anything before Christianity was barbarism, and that Christianity brought civilization, but it sounds kind of stupid for a Norwegian.
As for the Burning Man, gathering around a huge bonfire and getting drunk, seems to have been the way to celebrate midsummer in all the Germanic nations from before Christianity arrived, until the modern era.
A lot of nonsense is believed about Scandinavia.
ReplyDeleteLike the too-bad-to-be-true blood eagle sacrifice.
The Vikings were a subset of a criminal element and they did need civilizing, but they were not representative of most Scandinavians.
Arguable. The Vikings were not criminals by Scandinavian law, and provided an outlet for the more violent and impulsive men who would otherwise wreak havoc back home. The Vikings were at war with the Roman holy rollers down south, and in their own way fighting foreign imperialism.
Still, the idea that they were "civilized" 1000 yrs ago does pay some surprising (these days) respect to the civilizing influence of religion. It was 1000 yrs ago that they accepted Christianity.
The Nordics (like the pagan Classical Greeks) had their own civilizing religion long before Christianity. This is another point of Christian propaganda: that entire populations are uncivilized subhuman atheists before "seeing the light". (Yet despite all that they did have souls needing to be saved.)
Perhaps, by "civilizing", you mean ending the piratical Viking era. That was true. But climate change c. 1100 also had a role to play. And becoming Christian by itself didn't turn Vikings into farmers; the Crusaders were hardly more Chivalrous. It just wasn't as fun to go raiding nations of the same religion.
"I think Nordics were hunter-gatherers more recently than most populations."
ReplyDeleteThe oldest cultures found in Scandinavia, got most of their food from the ocean and their living quarters also seems to have been permanent.
Because the land is rising, you can date their living quarters by how far they are above the present sea water level, so they are easily found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosna-Hensbacka_culture
As for the Lapps or Same people,that are classic hunter-gatherers, they are immigrants, as you find Nordic admixture in Lapps, but not Lappish admixture in Scandinavians.
anonymous:"Look at the advanced countries, such as the US, with large non-northwest european minorities. Why do nordics dominate the list of criminals busted for child pornography and child rape?"
ReplyDeleteDo they?Does anyone have an actual ethnic breakdown of child molesters in the USA, one which differentiates Northwestern Europeans from Eastern and Southern Europeans?
"We are not talking of 14 year olds here, we are talking of 4 year olds."
And, as others have kindly pointed out, note that such crimes were simply not reported in Northwestern European areas until quite recently; one tends to assume that such matters are still being swept under the rug in more traditional societies like, say, Greece and Southern Italy.
"And we are talking of people in respected professions like pastors, priests, teachers, coaches etc commiting these heinous crimes."
Again, dear boy, I suggest you look at some of our Middle Eastern friends; the fondness of Muslim holy men for small boys is well documented, for example. One might also note the pederastic proclivities of the the wealthier Saudis as well.
"Check google news everyday for "child porn" and "pedophile" and see for yourself:"
And do you really imagine that Western news agencies are interested in documenting the deviant behavior of non-Westerners?
Syon
anonymous:"Look at the advanced countries, such as the US, with large non-northwest european minorities. Why do nordics dominate the list of criminals busted for child pornography and child rape?
ReplyDeletePerhaps a little anthropology might enlighten you a tad:
"The Baruya are a tribe in the highlands of Papua New Guinea. They have been studied since 1967 by anthropologist Maurice Godelier.
The Baruya are characterized by a strong inequality between males and females; all their organizations, institutions, and myths present male domination. They have a ritual in which boys give fellatio to young males and drink their semen, to 're-engender themselves prior to marriage'[citation needed]
To achieve the status of manhood the young boys go through a ritual in which they drink the semen of young men. The ritual is a lengthy process and can be divided into four stages for the initiates:
At the age of nine, young boys are taken from their mothers to become Yivupbwanya and as a result their women skirts are cut short at the front and removed from behind while their noses are pierced. At age eight they begin to ingest semen from older males twelve and up." (via WIKIPEDIA)
Last time I checked, the Papuans were not Northwestern Europeans.
Syon
I wonder if all these nude nordic neo-pagans appreciate how primitive and barbaric the culture they are trying to revive was? We are talking of human sacrifices, cannibalism, trial by combat etc.
ReplyDeleteWe are also talking about self-regulating Nordics returning to their human (i.e. mammalian) roots rather than toiling like robotic insects under the oriental despotism of Abramic religions.
Cannibalism is rarer than you think - for the simple reason that it is unhealthy. The spread of infectious disease, and prion diseases, anyone? Anti-cannibalism taboos arose for that reason, not thou-shalt-not-because-I-said-so-ism. Even the rare cannibalistic cultures spared that practice for uncommon rituals rather than daily life.
Nearly all the victims of ritual human sacrifice were either volunteers, or criminals and political prisoners. It was a way of getting rid of certain humans while feeding the gods. It was barbaric, but hardly a genocidal atrocity. Those particular kind of people who are so morally revolted by sacrifice rarely have any qualms about modern capital punishment - a sacrifice to the secular State.
Volksverhetzer:"What kind of barbarians and what kind of civilization do you mean?
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing in archeology that indicates that Scandinavia were ever behind the rest of the world when it came to technology from the Bronze age and up."
Lets not get carried away here and start acting like Afrocentric morons, with their ancient Black African civilizations rubbish; the WIKIPEDIA article on Scandinavia lists the Scando Bronze Age as occurring during the period 1700-500 BC; would you seriously care to argue that Scandinavia was culturally equal to, say, Greece, in 500 BC? or 400 BC? or 300 BC? or 200 BC?
The Pagan Scandinavians had many admirable qualities: they excelled in sea travel, they were vigorous and warlike, they produced a fascinating mythology, etc. they were not, however, anywhere near the forefront of civilization.
Syon
Here is today's link to "child porn" in google news:
ReplyDeletehttp://tinyurl.com/cnndpeb
Check out a dozen pages or more. Look at the names and the pictures. It is always the same. Month after month. Overwhelmingly white men, and even a few women, of northern european extraction.
Why is that?
Anonymous;"We are also talking about self-regulating Nordics returning to their human (i.e. mammalian) roots rather than toiling like robotic insects under the oriental despotism of Abramic religions."
ReplyDeleteMMMM, can't say that I'm terribly enthusiastic about returning to my "mammalian" roots; it sounds rather grimy... Vis-a-vis the "oriental despotism of Abramic religions," don't forget to include the Classical European contribution. After all, as the old saw goes, Christianity has a Hebrew heart, a Greek mind, and a Roman body.
Syon
This has gotten way way off topic. Degenerating into some kind of finger pointing about race relation to child sexual abuse. Really? I for one think race has pretty much nothing to do with child abuse and everything to do with culture. For that matter burning man has little to do with race and everything to do with culture.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous:"Here is today's link to "child porn" in google news:
ReplyDeletehttp://tinyurl.com/cnndpeb
Check out a dozen pages or more. Look at the names and the pictures. It is always the same. Month after month. Overwhelmingly white men, and even a few women, of northern european extraction.
Why is that?"
Maybe for the same reason that no one in the media seems terribly interested in reporting on the Baruya and their sexual exploitation of pre-pubescent boys?
For a parallel situation, look at the under-reporting of Black serial killers in the USA; if one went on news reports alone, one would think that Blacks virtually never commit serial murders. In reality, of course, they commit serial murders at rates that are somewhat higher than their share of the overall population. The media like a narrative, and their reporting conforms to that narrative.
Syon
anonymous:"Cannibalism is rarer than you think - for the simple reason that it is unhealthy. The spread of infectious disease, and prion diseases, anyone? Anti-cannibalism taboos arose for that reason, not thou-shalt-not-because-I-said-so-ism. Even the rare cannibalistic cultures spared that practice for uncommon rituals rather than daily life."
ReplyDeleteSome schools of thought would question the "rareness" of cannibalism in the New World...
Syon
"There is nothing in archeology that indicates that Scandinavia were ever behind the rest of the world when it came to technology from the Bronze age and up."
ReplyDeleteThe sort of high density agrarian societies that were the foundation of civilization in Egypt, Fertile Crescent, Ganges, Yangtse etc weren't possible in northern Europe until the middle ages - so circa 2,500 years later.
It's not a criticism it's an interesting difference which may provide potential explanations for all sorts of things.
anonymous:"Here is today's link to "child porn" in google news:
ReplyDeletehttp://tinyurl.com/cnndpeb
Check out a dozen pages or more. Look at the names and the pictures. It is always the same. Month after month. Overwhelmingly white men, and even a few women, of northern european extraction.
Why is that?"
Perhaps some reporting on our Japanese friends might enlighten you. Via WIKIPEDIA:
"Although not explicitly pornographic, media portraying young "idols" is a significant industry in Japan. Despite the lack of nudity, photobooks and videos of underage models in scant, tight fitting and revealing clothing are often taken to be provocative and pornographic in nature. Today, this industry remains lucrative, with The Japan Times reporting an estimated 3 million idol photo books sold between 2006 and 2007.[6] Models are categorized under age groupings, ranging anywhere from 18 years of age (U-18), to as young as 3 years old (U-3)."
Last time I checked, the Japanese were not Northwest European..
Syon
Some info on Japan. Via WIKIPEDIA:
ReplyDelete"Lolicon" is the slang term used in reference to the child porn industry, today this consists of drawn images in manga form and not real images of actual children (see simulated pornography). It is short for "Lolita Complex".[6] Lolicon manga depict young girls in an erotic manner. The young boys equivalent is called Shotacon.
Figures for the total value of the simulated child pornography industry are hard to come by, but it is estimated that 30-40% of manga contains sexual themes or content.[6] The age of consent in Japan is 13, but generally higher under prefectural laws.[10] Manga is a large industry in Japan, accounting for over $5.5 billion USD in sales alone in 2000; nearly a quarter of the total sales of all published materials in Japan.[6] No regulations are in place to control images portraying sexual exploitation in manga and animated films.[11]
In Japan, considerable debate exists regarding the legality of simulated child pornography. Supporters of legal control of simulated pornography claim to be advocate the laws of human rights and children's rights such as the Convention on the Rights of the Child. Opponents, such as the Japan Federation of Bar Associations (ja:日本弁護士連合会?) also claims to be advocacy of the child rights[12] pointed out the lack of evidence for commercial sexual exploitation of children (CSEC) and decreasing numbers in sexually motivated crimes.[13]
Constitutionality of the laws were discussed since Article 21 of the Constitution of Japan guarantees freedom of speech, press and all other forms of expression. The definitions of obscenity, specifically written as "arouses or stimulates the viewer's sexual desire" in these laws are argued as ambiguous.[14]"
Syon
Still more info on child porn in Japan. Via WIKIPEDIA:
ReplyDeleteIn the first half of 2008, Japanese police took action against over 300 cases of child pornography. This was a 17 percent rise from 2007, and three times the number of legal actions taken in 2004. According to police, is a sign of increasing awareness when it comes to child sexual exploitation.[15]
In regards to the crackdown, Takafumi Ozawa of the Japanese National Police Agency stated: "We are strengthening the crackdown on child porn as society became more aware of the issue, and child porn is getting rapidly copied and spread on the Internet".[15]
Shocking how this didn't make headlines in the USA...
Syon
and still more info on child porn in Japan. Via WIKIPEDIA:
ReplyDeleteJapan, along with Russia, are the only two member countries in the G8 that have not outlawed the simple possession of child pornography itself.[15]
Today, the law permits the simple possession of child pornographic images if there is no intention of selling or distributing them.[17] The United States ambassador to Japan has stated that Japan's lack of laws restricting possession of child pornography has impeded international efforts in the investigation of child pornography rings.[15] In June 2008, a bill proposing the ban on child pornography possession was submitted to the House of Representatives of Japan, where it was brought before the Diet in September.[15]
In October 2007, a public opinion poll taken by the Japanese government showed that 86.5% of respondents favored regulation on art depicting child pornography, while 90.9% endorsed regulation of "harmful materials" on the Internet.[6] A non-government internet opinion poll indicates the opposite result, i.e. 10.35% in favor of punishing possession, and 47.71% against.[18]
The Liberal Democratic Party and the New Komeito Party proposed to prohibit possession without distribution, but the Democratic Party of Japan presented a counterproposal to prohibit the taking over from anyone.[19][20] The House of Representatives was dissolved on July 21, 2009, therefore the proposals to revise the law on the table were withdrawn.
During the general election of the House of Representatives in August 2009, politicians' opinions were divided, as shown in answers to open letters from a civilian organization; [21] those who opposed simple possession feared being falsely accused of such.
Syon
Hacienda said...
ReplyDelete"Whites have this thing for the environment. A longing most other groups lose once they go urban."
"Hey Harvard,
Other groups never radically f*cked up the earth in the first place."
We in Norway have fields that have been used for over 4000 years, that are so steep, that they were abandoned when the tractor came. If the tenders of these fields did not care for them, they would have been lost through erosion a long time ago.
For the other fields, we do not know, as the tractor have ruined a lot of the remains, but we have a strong indication that they too have been in constant use since they were cleared for the first time.
"Limestone" in English means glue-stone, as "lim" was the original Scandinavian word for mortar. When lime mortar is used, reusing stones or bricks is easy, as you only need to pick down the wall from the top, and knock off lime mortar remains with a hammer.
The lacking signs of a collapsed civilization in Scandinavia from impressive ruins, don't mean they never had them, as it can also mean that their civilization never collapsed, so that abandoned stone buildings were plundered for materials until nothing was left.
Moving stones have always been pretty easy in Scandinavia, as you just used sleds in the wintertime. A castle and Cathedral that were destroyed by the Swedes in the 16 century, can today be found as cellar walls many miles away from where they were plundered, and they have been reused many times. An uncle of mine had many of these stones in the house his father build, probably because his father bought an old cellar for materials for his new cellar.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteGoogle for the criminals busted for child pornography or child sex abuse and the names and images are overwhelmingly northwestern european."
Yeah, right. That's something we would all want to enter into a Google search engine - Google, which recently changed their motto from "Don't be evil" to "All your data are belong to us".
"What do HBDers make of this?"
Perhaps that news organizations are as reticent about pointing out that kind of criminal behavior by NAMs as they are about any other kind of criminal behavior, such as rape, murder, etc.
Here's some info on our Mexican friends vis-a-vis sexual predation on children:
ReplyDeleteSo why does the crime of child molestation seem to be so prevalent among illegal aliens from Mexico?…The answer may lie within the age-old Mexican culture of "machismo," as well as within the actual laws of that country.
The crime of rape or child molestation is incredibly under-reported in Mexico, because there is so much shame placed upon the victim as well as the difficulty in proving the case. http://www.examiner.com/article/why-has-child-molestation-committed-by-illegal-aliens-become-an-epidemic
Syon
Still more Mexican child rape:
ReplyDeleteAn example of this attitude can be found in Mexican national Diego Lopez-Mendez, who pled guilty in 2006 to sexually assaulting a 10 year old West Virginia girl. Through an interpreter, he told the court: "In the pueblo where I grew up girls are usually married by 13 years old….I was unaware of the nature of the offense or that it was a bad crime."http://www.examiner.com/article/why-has-child-molestation-committed-by-illegal-aliens-become-an-epidemic
Syon
A few choice incidents committed by our non-Northwestern European Mexican friends:
ReplyDeleteAugust 6, 2007
Trenton, N.J.
Charged: Jose Carranza, 28
Charges: child rape (later charged with murder of Newark teenagers as well)
Victim: child's name withheld
August 16, 2007
Huron, Ohio
Charged: Lucio Sanchez-Martinez
Charge: gross sexual imposition of a minor
Victim: 8 year old girl
August 21, 2007
Franklin County, Alabama
Charged: Alvaro Vargas, 38
Charge: rape, sexual abuse
Victim: 11 year old girl
August 23, 2007
Bryan County, Oklahoma
Sought/Charged: Jose Retana
Charge: rape by instrumentation
Victim: 4 year old girl
August 24, 2007
Indianapolis, Indiana
Charged: Jesus Valenzuela, 19
Charges: child molestation and burglary
Victim: 5 year old girl
August 27, 2007
McAllen, Texas
Charged: Jorge Alberto Escobar
Charge: aggravated kidnapping
Victim: 5 year old girl
August 27, 2007
Rockville, Maryland
Sought/Charged: Mahumbo Kanneh, 23
Charges: rape, sexual assault, and molestation (Dismissed due to lack of interpreter!)
Victims: 18 month and 7 year old girls
August 15, 2007
Indiantown, Florida
Charged: Ruben Hernandez-Juarez, 52
Charge: battery on a child for molesting
Victim: 6 year old boy
August 8, 2007
North Hollywood, California
Charged: Chalearmchai Nopthaisong, 41
Charges: kidnapping and lewd acts on a child
Victims: seven children (Police have since discovered six more victims ranging from age 4 to 8 years old.)
http://www.examiner.com/article/why-has-child-molestation-committed-by-illegal-aliens-become-an-epidemic
Syon
And a few more reports that somehow failed to make headlines:
ReplyDeleteAugust 20, 2007
Gaston County, North Carolina
Charged: Ramon Zamora-Solano, 41
Charges: kidnapping and sexual assault
Victims: 5 and 6 year old girls
July 30, 2007
Murfreesboro, Tennessee
Charged: Jesus G. "Egg" Garay-Barrientos, 18
Charges: aggravated sexual battery and rape
Victim: 6 year old girl
July 27, 2007
Alto, Texas
Charged: Eleazar Posadas, 49
Charges: indecent contact with a child
Victim: 7 year old girl
http://www.examiner.com/article/why-has-child-molestation-committed-by-illegal-aliens-become-an-epidemic
Shockingly, none of these guys seems very Northwestern European...
Syon
As Christianity loses its grip on American culture, Dionysian and other pagan festivals are bound to proliferate. In time they may feature actual human sacrifices.
ReplyDeleteAre you sure that Yahweh's hands are entirely clean in this respect?
...In this same vein, could we not argue that, conversely, the more back-to-the-roots Jews and fundamentalist Christians get, the more likely they are to perform human sacrifice. Yes, it's a weak argument but it's also identical to yours, just with the variables assigned different values.
Anonymous:"Here is today's link to "child porn" in google news
ReplyDeleteAnonymous: Google news continues to not be be a reliable source of data. If you care to dig up some actual research which claims to find that Norther Europeans are big into kiddie pron, then go ahead. Stop this moronic line of argument. You're veering into Yan Shen levels of nonsensitude.
"Lets not get carried away here and start acting like Afrocentric morons, with their ancient Black African civilizations rubbish; the WIKIPEDIA article on Scandinavia lists the Scando Bronze Age as occurring during the period 1700-500 BC; would you seriously care to argue that Scandinavia was culturally equal to, say, Greece, in 500 BC? or 400 BC? or 300 BC? or 200 BC?"
ReplyDelete1. I never said that. I said that Scandinavia had been on the technological forefront since the Bronze age, because that is what archeology shows. I also mentioned that the Nordic justice system is way older than 1000 years. I did NOT mention Nordic philosophers or writers, and I never said anything about culture
2. And how do you know the books that describes Greece 2500 years ago, really is 2500 years old?
All the versions we have are younger than a 1000 years, and for most of them you don't even have a manuscripts, only books printed after Gutenberg.
I also have a hard time with Koine, as it is too similar to modern greek, for to really be 2000 years old, when we see how far the Germanic languages have separated and evolved in a far shorter time.
It is not relevant here though, as the bronze objects you find in Mycenae, are also found in Scandinavia.
The PC explanation is that Mycenae Greeks went to Scandinavia with their technology, while they skipped their nearest neighbors.
A google search on "Nordic Bronze age" + Mycenae will give you plenty of information.
It's no consolation to me that in a discussion 'thread' I foresaw would descend into a fracas of schoolyard insults and resentments, founded on certain persons begrudging that they are categorically excluded, by virtue of having different DNA codes, from the imaginary racial brotherhood surrounding this 'Burning Man' trifle, has come to pass precisely fitting my expectations.
ReplyDelete'Burning Man' is art-house decadence and a pretense for boozing and anonymous carnality not the rebirth of long-disappeared Germanic customs; the latter of which can have no cultural sympathy with a mass-event held in a featureless desert waste.
Since America was established by "Northwestern Europeans" (carving the world up into unhistorical quadrants is rather too laboratory-like in its objectivity; Germanic is far more scholarly), and they constitute the vast bulk of the white or European pulses to be found in the US citizen herd, their preponderance in their own country is natural.
'Burning Man' seems to breathe a spirit that would attract those craving solace for their boredom, cultivated ennui and a fashionable venue for 'artistic' affectation: well-educated, well-salaried and airily intellectual Germanic yuppies and withered veteran hipsters are the bees to the 'Burning Man' 's nectareous blossom. The perfect holiday from an otherwise year-long confinement in an urban townhouse cage and the refurbished cellar clubs for the upwardly pretentious.
Jews are equally cerebral and dainty, having the money and self-satisfied, yet anxious, vanity common to themselves and Germanic yuppies to lavish away hours and dollars on servile imitation of fads.
Look, the qualifications nowadays for being part of the voguish crowd in formerly Western nations are these: youthfulness (real or cosmetic), physical trimness with a dash of athletic flair, high disposable income, non-observance of home-and-hearth practices, adherence to 'progressive' views. Basically New World Order politics, high-rise penthouse living, and leafy exurb or boutique country town hobbies, e.g. this 'Burning Man' imbecility (which is doubtlessly interesting and intoxicating in its way).
Hacienda.
ReplyDelete"Other groups never radically f*cked up the earth in the first place."
Because the other groups did not have the IQ to invent all those modern inventions which ended up f*ckin the earth. North East Asians are exceptions to this. However those so called other groups have no shame enjoying the fruits of modern technology which to a great extent has been the creation of European minds. I mean how much environmental damage can African savages with primitive tools do?
Rabble-rouser's suspicions of the antiquity of the Koine Greek and the authenticity of the Grecian classics are groundless. Tens of thousands of contemporary and successive cross-references in literary and schoolmen's commentaries, epigraphic, pictorial and sculptural allusions, the breadth and non-interdependence of textual transmission, etc all combine to dispel his misgivings.
ReplyDeleteIt’s comical to me to observe the sparring thrusts and counter-thrusts of those individuals, apprehensive and isolated atoms in a horizonless multi-ethnic suburbia of no roots, rely on socialistic race solidarity in the absence of genuine race fellow feeling. In this world, where atomisation and homogenisation of nations globally have annihilated the primacy of race, touting the powers, tastes and accomplishments of ‘your’ group, as if that group had cohesion any longer, in lieu of your own powers, tastes and accomplishments is very, very low-class. Tsk tsk tsk.
What’s not comical to me is to read obliquely aggressive and jaundiced taunts, insincere reproofs and imputations of paedophilia crime being incommensurate with a particular nationality’s numbers. That’s both low-class and tasteless.
Zionists, moreover (I fancy half-Jew and half-Germanic lost souls are exceedingly common among these ranks), should note that the State of Israel is the unchallengeable champ in sex-slave and human organ trafficking, contraband smuggling, and (most pertinently) as a refuge for those sought by the police abroad for the production of child pornography. Zion should also note the lovely and unassuming humanity of Greeks and south Italians and that in my long social intercourse with them here and in their countries, the infrequency of reported paedophilia reflects the fact that it is actually infrequent not that these most affectionate and hospitable of people follow the State of Israel in its harbouring of fiends.
(Jews aren’t Germanic obviously, simple ocular autopsy displays this and do genetics, but they have pitched a ride on the back of the big blond buffalo as he enters the late period of his culture’s unfolding).
'Hey Harvard,
ReplyDeleteOther groups never radically f*cked up the earth in the first place.'
Hey Dances With Wolves,
Squalor, yes squalor, wherever Whites go. Perhaps you would like a dip in the Ganges? A jog in Beijing?
Other groups never radically f*cked up the earth in the first place.
ReplyDeleteOoops, leftist caught in a lie. Aboriginal Australians turned the massive forest and jungle into an outback.
And, the Ganges was presumably a healthy river, long ago.
But we'll let you go on about how your people are noble savages, but not savages at all, really, and how you're mad that your extremely advanced egalitarian civilization was destroyed by some blankets from Amherst. Or whatever.
I'm pretty sure the commenter is referring to the unprecedented, unmatched, ongoing, irreversible environmental destruction wrought by the Europe's industrial revolution. It's fitting that many whites love to worship in nature these days. Overcompensation?
'And whites are avoid responsibility how? Not only did Europeans invent the technology, but their ancient inter-ethnic squabbles forced other countries to rapidly and heedlessly industrialize out of self preservation. Most environmental damage is still caused by these majority-white countries, either directly or indirectly by expropriating the "dirty" parts of their supply chains.'
ReplyDeleteand then they killed Bambi.
Hardcore southern european here.
ReplyDeleteI hate "hippies" (and related anti-self northern whites) with a passion. I wonder if there is anyone who has ever felt as much contempt for them as I have. I started at about age ten but I didn't realize what true contempt meant until a high school ski trip with them at age fifteen. And the older I got and the more I learnt about their betrayal of self-kind and culture and history and every sense of belonging they once enjoyed the more my contempt grew. Watching "Wicker Man" was one of the seminal events that helped cement my contempt for all time. I wouldn't be caught dead around large crowds of these *****s.
"Not only did Europeans invent the technology, but their ancient inter-ethnic squabbles forced other countries to rapidly and heedlessly industrialize out of self preservation."
ReplyDeleteFuncrusher said...
Are you crazy, ask any Asian Indian or Indonesian if he would give up his car, scooter or motorcycle (invented by Europeans) for a bullock cart and he will think you are a mad man. Non- Whites modernised because they wanted to enjoy the fruits of a modern society with modern technology. Most non-White nations like India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria etc... still buy their weapons from White nations or maybe China, they need not have industrialised much. People in Delhi or Jakarta can easily survive without Cars, busses, computers, television etc... but they won’t do so. You think Indians would give up their Bollywood which runs on equipment like cameras, projectors etc... invented by Whites? They did not need their bollywood as their ancestors lived without it.
Non-Whites may hate White people as much as they want but have no shame in using technology invented by White people.
Anonymous: "We are also talking about self-regulating Nordics returning to their human (i.e. mammalian) roots rather than toiling like robotic insects under the oriental despotism of Abramic religions."
ReplyDeleteSyon: MMMM, can't say that I'm terribly enthusiastic about returning to my "mammalian" roots; it sounds rather grimy...
I was referring to mammalian vs. insectoid culture. And modern civilization makes it possible, ironically, for people to let their hair down a little without being so "grimy". I know this isn't the Stone Age or Middle Ages anymore, but neither is it 1900. So why keep around the neo-pharaonic regimentation?
Vis-a-vis the "oriental despotism of Abramic religions," don't forget to include the Classical European contribution. After all, as the old saw goes, Christianity has a Hebrew heart, a Greek mind, and a Roman body.
True, and it explains why Christian civilizations have at least some respect for the Classical era - as opposed to none at all for Germanic, Celtic, Balto Slavic heathenism. But never forget that the roots of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are the slave pits of the Pharoahs. When the slaves escaped from Egypt, they kept their slave mentality and slave religion. It was all the knew; they desired not freedom but a Good Master. Freedom and self-regulation were, and are, too much effort. Instead: the self is sinful, filled with both original and natural sins, and not to be trusted.
This reminds me of a speech made by a pro-Third-World "environmentalist". He kept saying that all the northerners - USA, Canada, Europe, Japan, post-1991 Russia - were the ones wrecking the world with their cars, roads, oil wells, nuclear power plants, nuclear bombs. I said, what about heating their homes in winter? After all, that is a major consumer of fossil fuel, and producer of greenhouse gases. I guess this tree-hugger wanted the northerners to freeze to death.
ReplyDelete"Intelligent non-American: "Zion should also note the lovely and unassuming humanity of Greeks and south Italians and that in my long social intercourse with them here and in their countries,"
ReplyDelete"lovely unassuming humanity": a rather odd turn of phrase for Southern Italians, given the rampant criminality for which they are notorious.
"the infrequency of reported paedophilia reflects the fact that it is actually infrequent not that these most affectionate and hospitable of people follow the State of Israel in its harbouring of fiends."
MMM, perhaps a few facts are needed to correct your personal impression. Via WIKIPEDIA:
It is difficult to ascertain the correct statistics for clerical sexual abuse in Italy because the Italian government has a treaty with the Vatican that guarantees areas of immunity to Vatican officials, including bishops and priests.[77]
The Italian lawyer Sergio Cavaliere, advocat for victims, alleged in April 2010 that there has been a cover up of clerical abuse in Italy and that there had been 130 legal cases brought against priests for abuse in the previous ten years reported in the press.[78][79]
Prior to 2001, all cases were handled privately within dioceses. In 2001 then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger sent a letter to all bishops ordering all sex-abuse cases be transferred to the Vatican. He imposed total secrecy on the proceedings, with the penalty of excommunication for any violations.[77]
In May 2007, the Panorama documentary episode Sex Crimes and the Vatican was allowed to run on the state-run television station only with equal time for church officials.[77] (CATHOLIC SEXUAL ABUSE SCANDAL IN EUROPE)
SYON
Here's a rather charming anecdote regardinging our Italian friends:
ReplyDeleteDiocese of Verona
Three former students have claimed abuse and 65 former students signed statements saying that they or other students were abused by Catholic priests when attending the Antonio Provolo Institute for the Deaf, a Catholic school for deaf children in Verona, Italy. The abuse is alleged to have occurred from the 1950s to 1980s, and was reportedly conducted by 24 priests including the late bishop of Verona. (VIA WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON CATHOLIC SEXUAL ABUSE IN ITALY)
SYON
Funcrusher:"And whites are avoid responsibility how? Not only did Europeans invent the technology,"
ReplyDeleteGosh, if inventing technology makes one responsible for its misuse, perhaps we should all go after those fellows in the Fertile Crescent who invented agriculture; after all, without them, the industrial Revolution would not have been possible.It's all a matter of how far one wishes to trace the aetiological chain.
"but their ancient inter-ethnic squabbles forced other countries to rapidly and heedlessly industrialize out of self preservation."
Well, sure. After all, inter-ethnic squabbles were totally unknown outside of Europe....
Industrialize out of self-preservation: Of course, dear boy (girl?). I'm quite sure that those non-European fellows were quite lacking in any imperialistic/expansionist tendencies of their own.Wasn't the non-Euro world just a bunch of AVATAR style Gaia worshiping noble primitives?
"Most environmental damage is still caused by these majority-white countries, either directly or indirectly by expropriating the "dirty" parts of their supply chains."
Don't worry, dear boy; the Chinese are struggling manfully to close the gap.
Syon
Anonymous:"I'm pretty sure the commenter is referring to the unprecedented, unmatched, ongoing, irreversible environmental destruction wrought by the Europe's industrial revolution. It's fitting that many whites love to worship in nature these days. Overcompensation?"
ReplyDeleteMMM, wasn't the invention of agriculture still more "unprecedented?" After all, that was the event that set the demographic ball rolling, so to speak....of course, that can't be blamed on those pesky Europeans...
Syon
Volksverhetzer:
ReplyDelete"1. I never said that. I said that Scandinavia had been on the technological forefront since the Bronze age, because that is what archeology shows."
Really? If the Scandos have been at the forefront since the Bronze Age, what were their contributions circa 300 BC? Please explain how they match (exceed?) what the Greeks were doing at the same period.
"I also mentioned that the Nordic justice system is way older than 1000 years. I did NOT mention Nordic philosophers or writers, and I never said anything about culture"
Practically every society has a system of justice; if the Bronze Age Scandos wish to be ranked with the big boys, one will need to list their contributions to things like science and philosophy. Until that happens, this sounds an awful lot like some Africentric Black scholar pontificating on the justice system in ancient West Africa.
"2. And how do you know the books that describes Greece 2500 years ago, really is 2500 years old?
All the versions we have are younger than a 1000 years, and for most of them you don't even have a manuscripts, only books printed after Gutenberg."
You've just dropped off the deep end, dear boy. Are you seriously arguing that, say, Plato's corpus does not date back to the 4th century BC?
"I also have a hard time with Koine, as it is too similar to modern greek, for to really be 2000 years old, when we see how far the Germanic languages have separated and evolved in a far shorter time."
Surely you are joking?
"It is not relevant here though, as the bronze objects you find in Mycenae, are also found in Scandinavia.
The PC explanation is that Mycenae Greeks went to Scandinavia with their technology, while they skipped their nearest neighbors.
A google search on "Nordic Bronze age" + Mycenae will give you plenty of information. "
Hey, you left out ancient Atlantis actually being located in Denmark...
Syon
anonymous:
ReplyDelete"I was referring to mammalian vs. insectoid culture."
Insects have culture?
"And modern civilization makes it possible, ironically, for people to let their hair down a little without being so "grimy". I know this isn't the Stone Age or Middle Ages anymore, but neither is it 1900. So why keep around the neo-pharaonic regimentation?"
Well, 20th century-style ( a la Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc)regimentation is scarcely "pharaonic." For one thing, the very technology that makes it less "grimy" allows for a degree of control and regimentation that far surpasses anything achievable by a pre-modern despotism.
"True, and it explains why Christian civilizations have at least some respect for the Classical era - as opposed to none at all for Germanic, Celtic, Balto Slavic heathenism. But never forget that the roots of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are the slave pits of the Pharoahs. When the slaves escaped from Egypt, they kept their slave mentality and slave religion. It was all the knew; they desired not freedom but a Good Master."
You are, of course, aware that the Israelite sojourn in Egypt is entirely mythical*?That there was no Exodus, no Moses, no Joseph, etc. Hence, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have no Egyptian roots (excluding, of course, whatever might have trickled through during the Hellenistic and Roman epochs, when Alexandria was a major center of Hebraic and Christian thought).
*While we are on it, I might also note that just about everything in the Bible prior to the reign of Saul is more or less entirely fictitious (minus the odd scrap or two of genuine fact). For that matter, the United Monarchy of Saul, David, and Solomon is pretty shaky as well...
Syon
Re. Burning Man, hippies, and Germanic / Nordic peoples. It seems that modern Nordics alternate from being regimented to freewheeling. From Cromwell to the Regency to Queen Victoria to King Edward; from Nietsche and Wagner to Kaiser Bill (and of course Hitler). Other examples exist.
ReplyDelete"Perhaps that news organizations are as reticent about pointing out that kind of criminal behavior by NAMs as they are about any other kind of criminal behavior, such as rape, murder, etc."
ReplyDeleteThat's basically it. The statistics for child molestation and abuse show blacks in much the same outstanding percerntages as in other criminal behavior, with Hispanics a bit behind. However, when you see pictures and articles, the criminals will be white.
On "alternative" websites and blogs, black crime is reported as it happens (unlike in the MSM) and the child abuse, sexual and otherwise, is horrific.
Without blacks or browns, white crime rates are similar to those of Europe, and northern Europe (except for its "refugees and immigrants" has a very low crime rate.
Where does this troll come from? He really believes the MSM reports all non-white crime as it does black?
"few choice incidents committed by our non-Northwestern European Mexican friends:"
ReplyDeleteYour list in response is only a smattering. Any notion that "northern Europeans" (however they might be defined today, since northern and southern are so intermixed in today's America). There are HUGE numbers of "hispanic" and black child molesters. The MSM squelches a lot of publicity about it for the same reasons it squelches info about other kinds of black crimes.
For all crime: Asians the least, whites the next, hispanics the next highest, blacks the worst. This is for all violent crimes, including murder.
Why are you even arguing with this troll.
ReplyDelete"lovely unassuming humanity""
I prefer the term "la dolce vita" (the sweet life.) Due to the climate maybe, the ability to just enjoy being a physical being.
They do have a lot of crime, but not random, violent street crime in my experience. Not like walking in Detroit.
I felt quite safe in Rome and Florence, and then I was a young woman in my early 30s. However, they do have a lot of organized crime, family vendettas--well, you know about that. And political corruption. Lots of that. But not the kind of crime that ruins a beautiful city. Somehow, in spite of Italian crime, Italy does seem safe and beautiful for most. Can't say that about Baltimore or Detroit.
I'm fluent in both classical and koine greek, and I can't read a menu in a contemporary greek restaurant.
ReplyDeleteThe language evolved. Lots.
I'm feeling exceedingly smug and pleased that my rather mild rebuttal has incited such an avalanche of frenzied "Wikipedia" quotes and citations of journalistic, non-statistical sketches of what a self-selected and by no means disinterested editor of the article has sensed, from his computer desk, to be the state of paedophilia.
ReplyDeleteScribble, scribble eh Zion?
"Intelligent non-american":
ReplyDelete"I'm feeling exceedingly smug and pleased"
Always glad to brighten someone's day; I exist only to serve.
"that my rather mild rebuttal has incited such an avalanche of frenzied "Wikipedia" quotes and citations of journalistic, non-statistical sketches"
As opposed to your own, heavily quantitative assertions, dear boy?
"of what a self-selected and by no means disinterested editor"
Don't be so defensive, dear boy; I'm sure that you are a model of objectivity...
"Scribble, scribble eh Zion?"
You are too kind, dear boy, likening me to the immortal Gibbon..
Syon
viva italia:
ReplyDelete"I prefer the term "la dolce vita" (the sweet life.) Due to the climate maybe, the ability to just enjoy being a physical being.
They do have a lot of crime, but not random, violent street crime in my experience. Not like walking in Detroit.
I felt quite safe in Rome and Florence, and then I was a young woman in my early 30s. However, they do have a lot of organized crime, family vendettas--well, you know about that. And political corruption. Lots of that. But not the kind of crime that ruins a beautiful city. Somehow, in spite of Italian crime, Italy does seem safe and beautiful for most. Can't say that about Baltimore or Detroit."
Well, yes, Italy is rather fortunate in having a tiny Black population ( according to WIKIPEDIA 285,169, or 0.47% of the population in 2010).
Syon
I think it's perfectly healthy for any race to find comradery with their own kind. All races, and nationalities do this. I do see why people of color find this a bit threatening. The whole Burning Man reminds us of the KKK rally.
ReplyDeleteYou know, a group of white people, on a remote location, wearing "costumes", burning a "man"(wink), while they dance around it like silly gooses. It definitely reminds us of a KKK rally!
However, that might seem so, but it is not the truth. I do see that this event is a form of self expression, and I actually think that it is a great idea! It is a form of self expression, that is dragged for 7 days in a hot, unforgiving desert.
I myself wouldn't never even try this, because I've been out there in the desert heat, and I couldn't even last for an hour. So if a group of white people want to this every year, then I say, "more power to you all."
I'm asian btw, and I'm considered a people of color here in the U.S. Yes, most people see me as a walking billboard for my kind.
I'm black. I am female. I like veggies and you are an idiot. Five-time burner. Ain't nobody got time for that. I love camping. Ur blanket statement holds no merit.
ReplyDeleteI'm an Eagle Scout and black. What?
ReplyDelete