tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1041631349015938839..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Social Psychology & Priming: Art Wears OffUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70992771556932746292013-02-07T20:23:06.052-08:002013-02-07T20:23:06.052-08:00The experiments spanned a 25-year period from 1961...<i>The experiments spanned a 25-year period from 1961 to 1985. I did a correlational analysis relating each study's year of publication and the amount of obedience it found. I found a zero-correlation-that is, no relationship whatsoever. In other words, on the average, the later studies found no more or less obedience than the ones conducted earlier. </i><br /><br />But what does that really mean? What was the variance of all the studies, regardless of age of the study/experiment?David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39783492863073208912013-02-07T17:44:11.742-08:002013-02-07T17:44:11.742-08:00Projects on the Irvine Ranch—including Stonegate, ...Projects on the Irvine Ranch—including Stonegate, Portola Springs, Woodbury and Laguna Altura—reported 1,434 sales last year, placing it at the top in California and No. 2 nationwide, up from No. 4 nationally a year earlier.<br /><br />That was 670 more sales than 2011, a nearly 88% increase that accounted for the largest year-over-year bump in total sales of any project in the country last year, according to the report.<br /><br />The Irvine area “continues to be a desired location by buyers in Orange County and abroad,” thanks to good schools, a strong job base and numerous amenities, according to John Burns Consulting’s Nicole Murray.<br /><br />“Specifically, the schools attract local and international buyers,” she said.<br />The aisans are coming, immirgation to Calif now more asian than hispanic. Hispanics still have the baby edge but form a psychological view Irivne shows a new trend with imirgation from the far east.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44029307614566892542013-02-07T14:45:22.178-08:002013-02-07T14:45:22.178-08:00Government school itself is a huge Milgram experim...Government school itself is a huge Milgram experiment: bullying and peer pressure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84056972163855766102013-02-07T10:22:39.014-08:002013-02-07T10:22:39.014-08:00Ticjard Feynman did a wonderful lecture on "C...Ticjard Feynman did a wonderful lecture on "Cargo Cult Science" (widely available online).<br /><br />His prime point was that science isn't just wearing a lab coat and saying the debate is over (this was long before tan alarmist claimed to be a consensus indeed it may go back to when they were still predicting an ice age).<br /><br />However he also makes a secondary point about the need for results to be replicable and replicated and takes the social "scientists" apart by providing the example of one rigorously conducted experiment by somebody who he considered a real scientist and the way his successors had all just taken it as read and extended the experiment but without replicating the original experiment to confirm they were doing their version by the same parameters.<br /><br />That it has taken so many decades for this experiment to be repeated suggests the "social sciences" have not got much more scientific inm the interim.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26587006052653757742013-02-07T08:25:26.787-08:002013-02-07T08:25:26.787-08:00The city with the largest falloff in industrial em...The city with the largest falloff in industrial employment was Dallas. It lost more than 3,400 workers in the sector last year to 72,519. It’s now ranked the ninth-largest industrial city, down from No. 7 a year earlier.Houston is the biggest center of industrial employment among U.S. cities, with 242,212 such positions after a 3.1% growth over the past year. It’s far ahead of the second-largest, New York, which has 146,340 industrial jobs after a 3.8% increase Well, this is interesting Houston is what republicans state growing with low teax policies while Dallas isn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1713266030396860042013-02-07T05:04:04.598-08:002013-02-07T05:04:04.598-08:00Patasaurus, I took psychology as an elective my ju...Patasaurus, I took psychology as an elective my junior year in parochial high school. The class was me and 31 girls. I sat next to a well-formed redhead who was later my prom date.<br /><br />That's pretty much all I remember.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87335755764405697322013-02-06T20:37:18.182-08:002013-02-06T20:37:18.182-08:00Gosh, the late Dr. Stanley Milgram has contemporar...Gosh, the late Dr. Stanley Milgram has contemporary fans. Here's the web site <a href="http://www.stanleymilgram.com/" rel="nofollow">ww.stanleymilgram.com/</a>, which says:<br /><br /><i>The purpose of this website is to be a source of accurate information about the life and work of one of the most outstanding social scientists of our time, the social psychologist Stanley Milgram. His untimely death at the age of 51 on December 20, 1984, ended a life of scientific inventiveness and controversy. But his research and writings continue to influence contemporary culture and thought.<br /><br />...<br /><br />In August, 1976, CBS presented a prime-time dramatization of the obedience experiments and the events surrounding them, titled "The Tenth Level." William Shatner had the starring role as Stephen Hunter, the Milgram-like scientist. Milgram served as a consultant for the film. While it contains a lot of fictional elements, it powerfully conveyed enough of the essence of the true story for its writer, George Bellak, to receive Honorable Mention in the American Psychological Association's media awards for 1977.<br /><br />. . . . .<br /><br />Milgram's "shock machine" still exists. It can be found at the Archives of the History of American Psychology at the University of Akron. For a number of years, beginning in 1992, it was part of a traveling psychology exhibit created by the American Psychological Association.<br /><br />...<br /><br />Would Milgram find less obedience if he conducted his experiments today? I doubt it. To go beyond speculation on this question, I carried out the following statistical analysis. I gathered all of Milgram's standard obedience experiments and the replications conducted by other researchers. The experiments spanned a 25-year period from 1961 to 1985. I did a correlational analysis relating each study's year of publication and the amount of obedience it found. I found a zero-correlation-that is, no relationship whatsoever. In other words, on the average, the later studies found no more or less obedience than the ones conducted earlier. A more detailed report of this finding, as well as the finding on sex-differences described in the previous paragraph, can be found in my article, "The Milgram paradigm after 35 years: Some things we now know about obedience to authority," which appears in the Journal of Applied Social Psychology, 1999, Vol. 25, pp. 955-978.<br /><br />. . . . .<br /><br />Rock musician, Peter Gabriel, was a serious and avid admirer of Milgram. His album, "So," which came out in 1986, contains a track titled, "We do what we're told-Milgram's 37." What does the "37" refer to? The answer is posted in the Question of the Month section of the website</i><br /><br />I was wrong. The Milgram shock experiment has been replicated lots of times. And no, Dr. Milgram was not secretly sponsored by the CIA in an effort to refine interrogation techniques, unlike the younger Dr. Timothy Leary at Harvard.David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47304725099658171362013-02-06T20:26:56.702-08:002013-02-06T20:26:56.702-08:00Yay Pat/Albertosaurus! "psychology is bunk. E...Yay Pat/Albertosaurus! "psychology is bunk. Except for IQ." I got a PhD in psychology & I totally agree with you. it's embarrassing that the only science in psych must be kept under wraps (due to un-PC connotations). it's hilarious that the only power psychs have is due to people's belief in it - they think we know something worthwhile (we don't, except for ability, stats, tests & measurement) & that gives them faith in our "healing words" - it's total bunk! except for the un-PC IQ part:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4056513147334017202013-02-06T18:25:06.330-08:002013-02-06T18:25:06.330-08:00just saw this on Drudge:
Belief in Global Warming ...just saw this on Drudge:<br /><a href="http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/06/study-opinions-on-climate-change-rise-and-fall-with-the-temperatures" rel="nofollow">Belief in Global Warming rises with Temperature</a><br /><br />Related?Dennis Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233729780363740881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52981323881783638732013-02-06T17:45:52.188-08:002013-02-06T17:45:52.188-08:00Debunking such weak and implausible studies is ind...<i>Debunking such weak and implausible studies is indeed kicking a cripple.</i><br /><br />Are you kidding? A cripple is powerless. Do you think Bargh, Gladwell et al are powerless? These aren't cripples, these are charlatans--taken for respectable intellectuals (I want to do a "real men of genius" parody: <i>"here's to you, Malcom Gladwell..."</i>)<br /><br />For the Huey Lewis fan:<br />Did you know that Whitney Houston's debut LP, called simply <i>Whitney Houston</i>, had four number one singles on it? Did you know that, PET? <br />It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but "The Greatest Love of All" is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since, PET, it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated on the album.<br /><br />What irretrievable wisdom you must have took with you, Nippy! And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!Dennis Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233729780363740881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56624938073273710072013-02-06T15:56:26.410-08:002013-02-06T15:56:26.410-08:00Debunking such weak and implausible studies is ind...<i>Debunking such weak and implausible studies is indeed kicking a cripple.</i><br /><br />There is nothing morally wrong with kicking a cripple, if it leads to improvements on the part of said cripple (many of them are lazy and spoiled), or the greater good of society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13561546228502668952013-02-06T15:02:10.029-08:002013-02-06T15:02:10.029-08:00Let's see you get seats at Dorsia now, you son...<i>Let's see you get seats at Dorsia now, you sonofabitch.</i><br /><br />Never having being all that into music, I can say dispassionately to all you Huey haters that you never got quif like the quif on offer at Huey performances at various Marin County venues from <br />'80-'84. It will never be seen again. playing early tomorrownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15226546602171614712013-02-06T14:57:48.033-08:002013-02-06T14:57:48.033-08:00Could that be because they're always staring i...<i>Could that be because they're always staring into a smart-phone?</i><br /><br />I meant when they don't have a cellphone in hand, though the pace could be determined by the fact they mostly do. The new Bay Area phenomenon of young women walking in the street has nothing to do with avoiding blacks, since it's usually seen in heavily SWPL areas. I assume it's the feminist analogue of the black "rules are not for us" attitude. helene edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44789436887485606472013-02-06T14:48:29.413-08:002013-02-06T14:48:29.413-08:00Mr. Anon said...
"Anonymous Auntie Analogue ...Mr. Anon said... <br />"Anonymous Auntie Analogue said...<br /><br /><i>In this respect my favorite is William Cameron Menzies 1936 film 'Things To Come,' written by H.G. Wells. This gem, made before rocketry proved to be the optimum method for launching people into space, uses a colossal cannon to blast people out from the hold of earth's gravity - can you imagine the liquefying effect of so violent a launch blast on the crew of the shell-capsule!"</i><br /><br /><i>Yes, but think of all the money one would save on the life-support systems.</i><br /><br />Besides, men back then were made of sterner stuff, and were more likely to survive a little acceleration and hold their breaths for a few seconds. Then it's off to annex Mars, and convert the heathen natives, and bring in canals, roads, heavy industry, compulsory military schooling, the draft, and fluoride.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10561338567954303402013-02-06T14:46:46.918-08:002013-02-06T14:46:46.918-08:00Love this post. Steve, you are connecting dispara...Love this post. Steve, you are connecting disparate concepts like a caffeinated 22 year old! And you're bring the wisdom and accumulated knowledge of middle age with it. Bravo.<br />San Franciscan non-monknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1405768769848348532013-02-06T14:26:18.507-08:002013-02-06T14:26:18.507-08:00I don't see how priming effects are supposed t...<i>I don't see how priming effects are supposed to wear off,, when presumably the subjects of any one experiment have never been primed before. Blue rooms got old because the same people sat in lots of different blue rooms year after year. But the college kids being experimented on today have not been subjected to these experiments on a continuous basis since the first studies, nor are these studies such a big part of the culture that the kids could have acquired an immunity to them second hand.</i><br /><br />I wanted to ask the same thing but, being tired, I thought maybe I missed something and didn't want to sound stupid. Now that I'm not the only one thinking this I'll add my name to the chorus requesting an explanation (which reminds me of another, probably more successful, social psychology experiment). Sailer obviously thinks he's onto something here because he's doubled down with another post on it.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13280469611745352712013-02-06T13:42:38.326-08:002013-02-06T13:42:38.326-08:00Their early work was a little too new wave for my ...<i>Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.</i><br /><br />Let's see you get seats at Dorsia <i>now</i>, you sonofabitch!Dennis Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233729780363740881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2546539942156587972013-02-06T13:29:31.443-08:002013-02-06T13:29:31.443-08:00"thriving meth-lab sector said...
OT - maste..."thriving meth-lab sector said...<br /><br />OT - masters' degrees worthless, CNN Money has learned"<br /><br />Forget about the worthless degrees these people racked up; consider the actual jobs they applied for - this kind of counselor, that kind of counselor, some other kind of counselor, "HR professional", etc. It is amazing how many jobs in this country are just so much bullshit. We really are a fat, dumb, happy country to be able to take such waste for granted.<br /><br />I would have had far more respect for those people if they had sought out a job as produce department manager in a super-market. It's honest work that's valuable to society, and only requires a high-school diploma.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36174555343752384762013-02-06T13:18:41.995-08:002013-02-06T13:18:41.995-08:00"Anonymous Auntie Analogue said...
In this r..."Anonymous Auntie Analogue said...<br /><br />In this respect my favorite is William Cameron Menzies 1936 film 'Things To Come,' written by H.G. Wells. This gem, made before rocketry proved to be the optimum method for launching people into space, uses a colossal cannon to blast people out from the hold of earth's gravity - can you imagine the liquefying effect of so violent a launch blast on the crew of the shell-capsule!"<br /><br />Yes, but think of all the money one would save on the life-support systems.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41801005141570152332013-02-06T13:14:58.919-08:002013-02-06T13:14:58.919-08:00"Anonymous helene edwards said...
Well, I..."Anonymous helene edwards said...<br /><br />Well, I'm around college students all the time, and they really do walk slowly now."<br /><br />Could that be because they're always staring into a smart-phone?<br /><br />"Also, there's a new trend, especially for women, of walking in the middle of the street rather than using the sidewalk. It's becoming big in the Bay Area."<br /><br />I guess that's better than admitting the possibility that you might be a racist. Doesn't go to well with the whole walking while texting thing though.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8613831476209927862013-02-06T13:04:30.869-08:002013-02-06T13:04:30.869-08:00Steve Sailer, kicking cripples again.
I actually ...Steve Sailer, kicking cripples again.<br /><br />I actually have a psychology degree so I have some credentials to declare authoritatively -psychology is bunk. Except for IQ.<br /><br />I went into psychology for sound reasons. I wanted to meet women and there were no women in economics. It worked. I married a Freudian. Ouch!<br /><br />The other virtue of psychology is that it requires undergraduates to take statistics. Those who want to avoid math usually slide down into sociology, the ultimately silly academic "discipline".<br /><br />Most of the appeal of psychology is in the classic "Psychology Today" article. Those relate some fascinating truth of human behavior like "priming". All of this stuff is pretty weak tea. Its just notions thst appeal to the popular imagination driven not by reality but by fashion. In magazine publishing you need a certain number of "fascinating" stories each month.<br /><br />We know that more than half of all medical papers that report new findings turn out to be unreplicatable. Should be be surprised that virtually all of these "fascinating" findings also turn out to be bogus? Debunking such weak and implausible studies is indeed kicking a cripple.<br /><br />I was an honest-to-God Internet pioneer. I had a web based merchandising site up in 1994. I wrote it all in Microsoft technologies before ASP, before VBScript. But we couldn't sell anybody anything. Almost everybody in that business failed. My distinction is that I failed first.<br /><br />Then one day I heard a show on NPR. A marketing guy reported that his researches had determined that people only would buy something after they had handled it three times. Ah Ha! We were trying to sell furniture online. No one could feel it. Science proved it! I wasn't a failure. It was the nature of the sales medium not me.<br /><br />If any of that were true of course, Amazon wouldn't exist. The simple truth is that all these soft behavioral sciences don't really uncover truths at all. They, at best, find connections that are true today for only some people under some conditions. Next season we will have more new fascinating findings.<br /><br />Priming may have been more or less true at one time but even so it was always a weak and rather pointless finding. Social psychology is, I repeat, bunk.<br /><br />AlbertosaurusPat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1722125951305688092013-02-06T12:41:14.485-08:002013-02-06T12:41:14.485-08:00"For some of the more WhiNey commenters aroun..."For some of the more WhiNey commenters around here who puzzle over Rhode Island's high unemployment in spite of its commendable racial composition, there's a treat for you at the end of that little article..." - The worst part about that were the comments about the people who claimed that because they were able to "just get a job" immediately back in the sixties that anyone should be able to do the same, and that these people did something wrong to be where they are.<br /><br />I'm beginning to think that this is well poisoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43821308271254291022013-02-06T12:33:40.416-08:002013-02-06T12:33:40.416-08:00"And who can explain Huey Lewis and the News?..."And who can explain Huey Lewis and the News?"<br /><br />Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44559290092573840432013-02-06T12:28:38.317-08:002013-02-06T12:28:38.317-08:00Sigmund Freud nephew, Edward Barneys understood ma...Sigmund Freud nephew, Edward Barneys understood mass psychology and how should be used:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prTarrgvkjo<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10299101222034771262013-02-06T11:47:53.418-08:002013-02-06T11:47:53.418-08:00Well, I'm around college students all the time...Well, I'm around college students all the time, and they really do walk slowly now. Much different from 10 yrs. ago. Also, there's a new trend, especially for women, of walking in the middle of the street rather than using the sidewalk. It's becoming big in the Bay Area. helene edwardsnoreply@blogger.com