tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1107171477067238876..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Did Bill Ayers ghostwrite Obama's memoir? Or vice-versa?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53946849548278977122008-10-22T11:02:00.000-07:002008-10-22T11:02:00.000-07:00This is truly frightening stuff. Not the absurd id...This is truly frightening stuff. Not the absurd idea that Ayers ghost wrote Obama's memoir, but the fact that there are so many crazy people out there who would believe it. <BR/><BR/>Can you give us some alien autopsy photographs, or proof that the Holocaust never happened, or maybe some pictures of the 72 year old Elvis Presley in retirement too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51097730765822629092008-10-12T19:06:00.000-07:002008-10-12T19:06:00.000-07:00By the way, the nautical metaphors in Obama's book...By the way, the nautical metaphors in Obama's book can be explained by his Facebook page, where he lists Melville's Moby Dick as one of his eight favorite books of all time.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10310088909163429992008-10-11T16:16:00.000-07:002008-10-11T16:16:00.000-07:00Steve Sailer writes: Cashill counts up a lot of na...Steve Sailer writes: <BR/><BR/><I>Cashill counts up a lot of nautical verbiage in both books, which makes sense for Ayers because he had once served in the Merchant Marine. Perhaps, though, Obama just read a lot of Melville and Conrad (He read Heart of Darkness at Occidental.)</I><BR/><BR/>And in high school, I read Kipling's "Captains Courageous," which takes place on a fishing boat. I had to constantly refer to an unabridged dictionary to understand what the various nautical terms met. <BR/><BR/>Kipling had once spent two weeks on a similar fishing boat and then wrote the book. <BR/><BR/>I read "Captains Courageous" very carefully and tried to understand all the terms I didn't know, but I couldn't imagine ever using that sort of jargon in my own English papers.<BR/><BR/>Take a look at this line from "Dreams of my Father" singled out by Cashill: <BR/><BR/><I>“A steady attack on the white race . . . served as the ballast that could prevent the ideas of personal and communal responsibility from tipping into an ocean of despair.”</I> <BR/><BR/>Using ballast as a metaphor like that? It's so foreign, at least to someone like me.<BR/><BR/>I don't know. Maybe people with literary aspirations try methodically and deliberately to come up with interesting metaphors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86041435502091735692008-10-11T11:33:00.000-07:002008-10-11T11:33:00.000-07:00Joeblow and others,Jack has done (or has had done ...Joeblow and others,<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/more_proof_ayers_ghosted.htm" REL="nofollow">Jack has done</A> (or has had done for him, I should say)<BR/>analysis on the text of both books, and they are remarkably similar in ease of readability and required reading level:<BR/>Ayers is particularly eloquent when writing about the “fury” of the elements as, curiously, is Obama. Consider the following two passages, the first from “Fugitive Days”:<BR/><BR/>“I picture the street coming alive, awakening from the fury of winter, stirred from the chilly spring night by cold glimmers of sunlight angling through the city.” <BR/><BR/>The second from “Dreams”:<BR/><BR/>“Night now fell in midafternoon, especially when the snowstorms rolled in, boundless prairie storms that set the sky close to the ground, the city lights reflected against the clouds.”<BR/><BR/>These two sentences are alike in more than their poetry, their length and their gracefully layered structure. They tabulate nearly identically on the Flesch Reading Ease Score (FRES), something of a standard in the field.<BR/><BR/>The “Fugitive Days” excerpt scores a 54 on reading ease and a 12 th grade reading level. The “Dreams’” excerpt scores a 54.8 on reading ease and a 12 th grade reading level. Scores can range from 0 to 121, so hitting a nearly exact score matters. <BR/><BR/>A comparable nature passage from my novel, “2006: The Chautauqua Rising,” scores a 61.6 with an 11 th grade reading level. The samples I submitted from my own semi-memoir on race, “Sucker Punch,” score in the 63-76 range.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/> <BR/>The question is mostly a curiousity, but it's clear that <I>Dreams</I> and <I>Fugitive Days</I> are far more similar to one another than <I>Dreams</I> and the other book Obama putatively wrote, <I>Audacity of Hope</I>, are.<BR/><BR/>Michael,<BR/><BR/>Yet he received a $125,000 advance to write the book. He may have been a nobody at the time, but that kind of money doesn't just get handed out unless he has been identified as one who'll become a somebody. And the person(s) who did the identifying was probably already a somebody when the advance was made.Audacious Epigonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07495507254628580077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78605665802089831912008-10-11T00:18:00.000-07:002008-10-11T00:18:00.000-07:00Does Michelle Malkin ghostwrite this blog?Does Michelle Malkin ghostwrite this blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12320190841092176232008-10-08T08:10:00.000-07:002008-10-08T08:10:00.000-07:00"You don't become editor in chief of the Harvard L..."You don't become editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review by being a poor writer."<BR/> <BR/> Might be believable if we saw any examples of his brilliant, promising epistlatory skills. He appears to have written nary an article. He proffered no opinions on any cases. He left no mark as he left no memorable record at Columbia.<BR/>He had the title, editor, and editors have staff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79303609813347501292008-10-07T06:53:00.000-07:002008-10-07T06:53:00.000-07:00This might be an interesting question if we were w...This might be an interesting question if we were wondering whether Obama could write.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55918428564058379872008-10-07T01:03:00.000-07:002008-10-07T01:03:00.000-07:00You don't become editor in chief of the Harvard La...You don't become editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review by being a poor writer. You do however become a conspiracy theorist by inventing baseless attacks via blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64544214234649262622008-10-06T23:20:00.000-07:002008-10-06T23:20:00.000-07:00So we're to assume that someone so meticulous at w...So we're to assume that someone so meticulous at witholding any real firm or bold ideological stances from his paper trail decided it would be good idea to have a former bomb-throwing 60s radical ghost write his book. Yeah, it's a <I>possibility</I>, about as much of a possibility as James Watson being black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31946023772546372382008-10-06T18:11:00.000-07:002008-10-06T18:11:00.000-07:00"Obama was a nobody recent law school grad when he..."Obama was a nobody recent law school grad when he wrote Dreams. No one would have ghost-written a book for him back then."<BR/><BR/> Obama was picked by the Brzezinski crew long ago, and for not especially flattering reasons. His "unknown", early 80s Columbia years would reveal much on that subject. He has been through some sort of mind control training, something far deeper and more sinister than the "est" or Landmark that Steve mentions in another thread.<BR/> Clinton (Bill) was picked by the Rockefeller group and plucked out of relative obscurity cica 1990. BIll and Hill turned up at the Bilderburg conferences, just prior to the 92 elections. That's when I knew. <BR/> I don't believe in the omniscience of the "powers that be" but I do know they plan years ahead. They have time, the money and the staff to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58191579919984235842008-10-06T13:03:00.000-07:002008-10-06T13:03:00.000-07:00Obama was a nobody recent law school grad when he ...Obama was a nobody recent law school grad when he wrote Dreams. No one would have ghost-written a book for him back then.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623787104889511239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56841050113067744222008-10-06T09:29:00.000-07:002008-10-06T09:29:00.000-07:00there is some professor i heard of once upon a tim...there is some professor i heard of once upon a time on NPR who has created a plagerism detecting program based on word frequency- he purported to prove that letter to Mrs. so and so who lost 5 sons in the Civil War (think Saving Pvt Ryan) was written by Lincoln's assistant or something. The word bequile was important...would be interesting for Obama Ayers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42273288862277080852008-10-06T07:15:00.000-07:002008-10-06T07:15:00.000-07:00Who wrote Obama? Oh, De Vere or Marlowe I suppose...Who wrote Obama? Oh, De Vere or Marlowe I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57892500722864308792008-10-06T07:02:00.000-07:002008-10-06T07:02:00.000-07:00JerimiahJohnbalaya linked to this 2006 interview o...JerimiahJohnbalaya linked to <A HREF="http://rwor.org/a/063/ayers-en.html" REL="nofollow">this 2006 interview of Ayers by Reggie Dylan</A>.<BR/><BR/>--- begin excerpt --<BR/><BR/>Reggie Dylan: ...Ward Churchill has become a concentration point of [the notion that right-wing-miseducated kids come to university and get challenged with ideas they've never heard before].<BR/><BR/>Bill Ayers: Well, Ward Churchill is a great example because what I think people, leftists are continually doing with the Ward Churchill case is missing this larger context you and I are talking about and instead kind of parsing, “Well, what did he say and do I agree with it.” What the hell do I care? First of all, there was a thorough study done by a university committee that never should have been set up, and they found a few, a tiny, a handful of instances where he might have borrowed a phrase, but nothing like Doris Kearns-Goodwin did, nothing like, you know, the big academics at Harvard have done, like Dershowitz. And yet somehow he’s held to the standard. And then people on the left again feel like they have to say, well this is part of what Ward says I don’t agree with. What has that got to do with it? He’s being pilloried for his politics, for being a leftist, for being a critic of U.S. imperialism as it relates to Native Americans. How can we as socialists or as communists or as leftists, how can we leave him in the cold and say, well I’m a good leftist because I don’t talk the way Ward talks. I find that appalling. And I would hope that when they come to get Ward, we all link arms and don’t allow it.<BR/><BR/>--- end excerpt ---<BR/><BR/>"President-Elect Obama, some guy in your neighborhood vehemently condemns those who have criticized Prof. Ward Churchill as right-wing stooges. This guy, a Distinguished Professor himself, enthusiastically endorses Prof. Churchill's scholarship.<BR/><BR/>"Do you think this guy's views on education are decent and honorable? Will he help set policy in your Administration? If <I>he</I> asked <I>you</I> to serve on an education-themed initiative, would you do so?"AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27408557687311093972008-10-06T00:34:00.000-07:002008-10-06T00:34:00.000-07:00"Another possibility: both used the same ghostwrit..."Another possibility: both used the same ghostwriter?"<BR/><BR/>Maybe some third guy in the neighborhood?Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33459367132586809262008-10-06T00:29:00.000-07:002008-10-06T00:29:00.000-07:00Reputedly, some linguistic analysis program was us...<I>Reputedly, some linguistic analysis program was used to finger the author of Primary Colors, some guy at Time.</I><BR/><BR/>He is pretty hit-or-miss, but you could <A HREF="http://english.vassar.edu/faculty.html?bio=Donald_Foster" REL="nofollow">email</A> Vassar's <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Foster_(professor)" REL="nofollow">Donald Wayne Foster</A> with the Obama-Ayers theory. He seems to enjoy investigating these sort of things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81636683069216748892008-10-06T00:14:00.000-07:002008-10-06T00:14:00.000-07:00Another possibility: both used the same ghostwrite...Another possibility: both used the same ghostwriter?John S. Boltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05502491478912356848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87635690234738298792008-10-06T00:00:00.000-07:002008-10-06T00:00:00.000-07:00"Jun said..."I read the book to help me understand..."Jun said...<BR/><BR/>"I read the book to help me understand just what it is that makes white people so afraid. Their demons. The way ideas get twisted around...."<BR/><BR/>Obama is really lost-in-space if he thinks that HoD has anything to do with being White or being Black."<BR/><BR/>It is a common misunderstanding of the book that is pushed in the "colonial studies" curriculum that is now so fashionable at our institutions of higher indoctrination.<BR/><BR/>You are of course quite right - HoD has damn near nothing to do with race or colonialism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22397308145775107432008-10-05T23:50:00.000-07:002008-10-05T23:50:00.000-07:00Speaking of Ayers ... Here's a two year old interv...Speaking of Ayers ... Here's a two year old <A HREF="http://rwor.org/a/063/ayers-en.html" REL="nofollow">interview</A> w/ the guy who was just some dude in Obama's neighborhood. He's a very, very left-wing kook.<BR/><BR/><I><B>the right wing</B>—it’s not just conservatives, it’s probably the most reactionary cabal of ideologues I’ve ever seen, operating with a very, very clear ideological purpose—<B>control all three branches of the federal government, control many state governments, control the media</B></I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43928511925715142722008-10-05T23:48:00.000-07:002008-10-05T23:48:00.000-07:00The same type of analysis showed the books in the ...The same type of analysis showed the books in the Book of Mormon were all written by different people.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05758584002044225327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86408145768612998642008-10-05T21:48:00.000-07:002008-10-05T21:48:00.000-07:00"I read the book to help me understand just what i...<I>"I read the book to help me understand just what it is that makes white people so afraid. Their demons. The way ideas get twisted around...."</I><BR/><BR/>Obama is really lost-in-space if he thinks that HoD has anything to do with being White or being Black.<BR/><BR/>Believing that is like thinking that Ibsen's "A Doll's House" has anything to do with feminism.<BR/><BR/>%-/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24913552629892899162008-10-05T21:20:00.000-07:002008-10-05T21:20:00.000-07:00Peter writes:"Obama was not widely known outside o...Peter writes:<BR/><BR/>"Obama was not widely known outside of Chicago when Ayers wrote Fugitive Days in 2001. ... It's unlikely, therefore, that Ayers would have been significantly influenced by Obama's book."<BR/><BR/>Except that in early 1995, Obama became Chairman of the Board of Ayers' brainchild, the Annenberg Challenge.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4477680912701349952008-10-05T21:17:00.000-07:002008-10-05T21:17:00.000-07:00There are fairly accurate computer programs that c...There are fairly accurate computer programs that can tell you if a piece of work is written by the same author.<BR/><BR/>A serious investigation would make use of this tool.Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02562042392964282677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49172566237676616382008-10-05T21:13:00.000-07:002008-10-05T21:13:00.000-07:00Here's the explanation Obama gives in his book for...Here's the explanation Obama gives in his book for reading "Heart of Darkness":<BR/><BR/>"I read the book to help me understand just what it is that makes white people so afraid. Their demons. The way ideas get twisted around. It helps me understand how people learn to hate."<BR/><BR/>C'mon, Steve. Do you really believe Obama's read Conrad and Melville beyond what was required in his "White Colonialism in Africa" course?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43007786953435961042008-10-05T20:44:00.000-07:002008-10-05T20:44:00.000-07:00Reputedly, some linguistic analysis program was us...Reputedly, some linguistic analysis program was used to finger the author of Primary Colors, some guy at Time.<BR/><BR/>There might be some use in that, take random passages of text known to be written by each man and try to conduct matches programmatically to each book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com