tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post115096928735381593..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, founder of modern Turkey, crypto-Jewish?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20194648593667862512016-07-05T21:18:56.049-07:002016-07-05T21:18:56.049-07:00The outside appearance speaks a lot about Kemal At...The outside appearance speaks a lot about Kemal Ataturk's DNA. <br /><br />The blue eyes and fair skin did not come from Asia. Ottomans were short and dark...<br /><br />He is definitely not ASIAN. He is most likely Albanian or Slav, period. What he spoke and what country he ran is clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70349966245407525702015-02-26T00:08:54.407-08:002015-02-26T00:08:54.407-08:00Nice article. One Day this fact will have been wri...Nice article. One Day this fact will have been written in the history books and then Turkish people realise that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36828367881377977422013-11-24T13:59:07.229-08:002013-11-24T13:59:07.229-08:00very good article. thanks a lot!
For those who are...very good article. thanks a lot!<br />For those who are believing in Kamal ata..., I have a couple of words to say. <br />This gentleman, brought a very academic informative article. What you have thrown to the table are just bullshits which forcefully injected into you brains in your government schools. Please, we fed up of listening your bullshits. if you have documents, or archives, bring them to here and let us learn something new, otherwise, shut our mouths and learn your real history carefully!!! husameddinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17615262962604243152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90236875907426657282013-08-19T06:30:05.487-07:002013-08-19T06:30:05.487-07:00Him not talking about his parents much especially ...Him not talking about his parents much especially his father, it's possible that he'd be a jewish origin or greek origin or something else. So what? Why are Turkish people so afraid of him being a Jew? Is it his fault if he was born Jewish? Why is he have to be labeled? It's about his doings. You either stand for what he did or stand against it. His origin is not important, his actions are! If you're European, American or Russian, you'll definitely like him because he turned Turkey into somewhat Christian European country but if you a Turk, probably you're not crazy about him since he destroyed 600 year old Ottoman Empire from within even though he had good reasons! It's so interesting that here in New York in high school, we learned that Ottoman Empire was the biggest empire of all times with Roman Empire but somehow my Turkish friends always brag about Ataturk but never about Ottoman Empire like they are ashamed or something. ""Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77770850242913424232013-04-16T01:41:42.531-07:002013-04-16T01:41:42.531-07:00well this certainly a far too biased article. The ...well this certainly a far too biased article. The party in power in the turkish politics is a very religious one, and since it came to power in 2002, it has started to imploy it's hidden agenda both within and outside of turkey in order to diminish the influence of ataturk within turkish public. They have a great tendency to re-start the ottoman issue and demonize ataturk as an enemy to the nation and it's traditional religious heritage. No wonder why, in the last few years, all sickly motivated people full of hatred of turks, got hand in hand with those traditional muslims of turkey in order to marginalize ataturk, calling him gay, dictator, jewish, english agent etc. They claim that tens of millions of people living in turkey have no understanding or enough intelligence to realize what their own history is consisted of. Well less of that please, we are not having it. Their pea-sized brains fail to grasp the fact that us turks, are an extremely mixed up nation, and what holds us together is that we were always surrounded by enemies and WE were always warriors throughout the history because of this fact. Since moving our way from siberia to vienna, we always had great generals, won most of wars, and are a proud nation. Ataturk was a general, he was a pure genius and revived a nation that was about to be collectively eliminated from history. greeks, armenians, europeans, arabs, kurds can not take this reality, as they wanna look down on turks, as they enjoy picturing us some barbarian tribe coming from the east in order to cover up their failures to guard their lands or europe as a continent. Admit it, there is a muslim nation who dominated nearly half of europe for centuries and didn't impose its religion towards its people unllike you real barbarians did in africa, asia and americas. In reality. the ones who are degenerated in brain, and always prefer lies to truth. turks have no problem with no one, unless they wanna have try their chances with us. we can also easily come up with ideas like, churchill was having it up his arse, greeks are originated from a tribe where in orgies family members were having a go at each other, kurds were eating rats on the mountians when we came here or armenians are some sneaky miserable people who stabbed us on our back during the WW1, and got backed up by czarist russia in order to kill the unprotected turkish civlians with whom they were living together in anatolia. Typical hyprocritical western propagandists always try to change history in accordance with their self interests. If we read the history from your perspective, we would believe that europeans were always ahead of other people of the world, they are beautiful and intelligent, they invented everything useful. However, when we look into it, we suddenly discover that all sickly little thoughts that poisoned masses of people, all the evil that circulates today are all of western-origined. They are the ones who serve to their jewish masters, pay taxes to them and now finding this bright idea that the father of turks was a freemason jew, an enemy to its own people. GTFO here please.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03299485703107551108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77553130810055992302012-10-05T09:46:30.418-07:002012-10-05T09:46:30.418-07:00My deceased father and my deceased aunt told me ma...My deceased father and my deceased aunt told me many times that they were relatives of Ataturk. On the other hand, they also told me many times that we were Albanians. I know also that my uncle was sent to the Vienna University (for executing his promotion in medicine)by Ataturk after the request from my grandmother to Ataturk. But all of us had and have the Turkish citizienship. But nobody in the family had any relation to the Jews. There was not any word spoken about the Jews in the family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40093450549185892792011-10-15T14:29:30.712-07:002011-10-15T14:29:30.712-07:00is it easy change someone's past like that? wr...is it easy change someone's past like that? write a story and make someone (very important man)which has a suspicious past. History is not story. If you propound something like that you have to prove it by documents.If you can't it this article make you lair and calumniator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23233529322617807242011-01-26T08:59:14.951-08:002011-01-26T08:59:14.951-08:00Most modern Turks are decendants of Moslem convert...Most modern Turks are decendants of Moslem converts who inhabited Anatolia and the neighbouring Balkans and the Caucasus. <br />Thus, the likelihood that Ataturk was of indigenous Macedonian and/or Albanian origin....is HUGE, especially because his mother hailed from Edessa/Voden, a town which had mostly been inhabited by Slavic Macedonians (Orthodox and Moslem converts). The indigenous population of Salonika (before the Ottoman invasion) was mostly of Thracian and Slavic stock...with a sprikling of Greek and Albanian. <br />His Turkishness is the result of Ottoman invasion, and a post-imperial political creation of a modern nation...from heterogenous peoples attempting to evade annihilation by their enemies and European impearialists.<br />The Donmeh, although socially their own entity, were quite Moslem. There was no reason for them to hide their roots...and least of all....their faith...if they'd decided to practice Judaism. What's implied here...by calling them Crypto-Jews...is that they were FORCED to be Moslem....and that somehow, a REAL Moslem WOULDN'T BE CAPABLE OF creating a modern state. I find that presumption prepostrous....and almost racist....<br />ps. also...Balkan Moslems (aka Turks) have no problems with sending their kids to Jewish clubs and Jewish schools. We just don't practice social apartheid. We're not like that by nature...and even a 100 years ago...it wasn't unusual for Moselm Sufis and Jewish Sephardim to partake in each other's religious rituals...(ie..in Monastir...the town where Mustafa studied and lived for a while...). <br />I know of Balkan Moslems who grew up playing sports at the local Makabiya club. It wasn't the Ottomans who were traditionally tribalist. They were exactly the opposite....a very heterogenous bunch....of various ethnic origins...who went on to form the modern "Turkish" state of Turkey, when in fact...very often...their roots were not at all Turkic.Sadie M. Talichnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53743933573702131432010-12-14T12:14:33.649-08:002010-12-14T12:14:33.649-08:00M.Kemal was an offspring of Ittihat ve Terakki (IT...M.Kemal was an offspring of Ittihat ve Terakki (ITs). What he and his gang didi is after winning(?!) pseudo-independence they imposed to Muslims a long time before prepared and cooked Constitution which is based secularo-fascist constitutions practiced by EU$. Now Republic of Turkey is just another secularo-fascist monopolist, mono-law. mono-culture, uniter imagined nation State, like any other EU$ States.<br /><br /><br />for further information chcek my group:<br />http://groups.google.com/group/AlaaddinsCave?lnk=iggcGrand Sen~orhttp://groups.google.com/group/AlaaddinsCave?lnk=iggcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91912592212481525452010-11-11T05:30:27.270-08:002010-11-11T05:30:27.270-08:00Turkish, I don't care where he's from... A...Turkish, I don't care where he's from... ALL I know is that he was a GREAT MAN!! He wanted a secular modern country.. if it wasn't for his contributions to the Turkish peoples I would have been writing, speaking and thinking in Arabic..(not that there's anything wrong with that) Turkey is not a very collective type of country and they do lack in supporting one another, it was the youths that were educated in Ataturks regime who stood up and voiced their opinions and supported him.. As for the rest of the Turks, they still follow arabic traditions and that cannot be helped.. Ataturk did not want Turkey to be an Islamic country, suffice to say he has done the best any man could ever do...and his legacy will continue for centuries.... Rest In Peace dearest Ataturk! he will always be remembered as a GUNIUS! so I understand if you want to make up your own lil conspiracy theories and think of him as a crypto-jewish lol!! Its cute! but you cant say this mate....NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE!!turkbloodaussiehearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12944788942592365563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4534104161379201382010-11-04T09:32:55.877-07:002010-11-04T09:32:55.877-07:00Ataturk was married (and then got divorced) Latife...Ataturk was married (and then got divorced) Latife Usakizade who is a follower of Sabbatai Zevi (a false-messiah). He attended a primary school founded by Simon Zwi (Semsi Efendi) who is also a follower of Zevi in Thessaloniki...<br /><br />Sabbatai Zevi followers marry only among themselves and Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52427867331940031852010-10-09T19:25:28.038-07:002010-10-09T19:25:28.038-07:00Also I forgot to mention that the name Kemal was g...Also I forgot to mention that the name Kemal was given later to him by his math teacher for his intellegence (I forgot it's arabic meaning it's pretty late) and Ataturk was given after all Turks had to take a surname, and the Turkish general assembly GAVE M.Kemal that name, he did not ask for it. He was given it by the Turkish people them selfsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60422815467310564802010-10-09T19:22:16.060-07:002010-10-09T19:22:16.060-07:00Wow I can't believe how ignorant some people h...Wow I can't believe how ignorant some people here are. First of all, Ataturk had bright blue eyes ... this is a widely know fact. The article (which I have encoutered like 20 times mostly on anti semetic, neo nazi, or Armenian/Greek forums) states Ataturk had piercing Green eyes. This is NOT correct.<br /><br />Although Turkey is the country with the most Green eyed people in the world. I've green eyes too, my little sister has blue eyes and blond hair like my grandfather. Now before you people start calling me Greek or Armenian etc. what happens with me an most of my Turkish friends a lot because we have a light skin or coloured eyes/hair. My fathers side settled in Anatolia from Uzbekistan, and my Mothers side are from Turkmenistan, I know my family history and I am 100% Turkic/Turkish. <br /><br />This is exactly what happens to Ataturk .. "That's not a Turk he has blue eyes and blond hair" that's the biggest bullshit I ever heard. People who actually know a bit of history know that Turks mostly have fair skin and the Oghuz Turks where the whitest of the Turkic tribes (Turkish Turks/Azerbejcan Turks are mostly Oghuz Turks) <br /><br />And last but not least, the guy commenting on Ataturk being an "illegitimate" child, you're such an idiot .. First of all Mustafa Ali Riza makes no sense at all. It would be Mustafa Alioglu. But Turks didn't use last names at the time, Ataturk was the one who started last names in Turkey. <br /><br />It's well documented that his father was Ali Riza efendi, he died in 18?? (I forgot, it's pretty late) and his mother remarried. Afther that Ataturk joined the millitary academy. <br /><br />Atatürk was born in 1881 at the Kocakasım ward of Salonika, in a three story pink house located on Islahhane Street. His father is Ali Rıza Efendi and his mother Zübeyde Hanım. His paternal grandfather, Hafız Ahmed Efendi belonged to the Kocacık nomads who were settled in Macedonia during the XIV - XV th centuries. His mother Zübeyde Hanım was the daughter of an Old Turkish family who had settled in the town of Langasa near Salonika. Ali Rıza Efendi, who worked as militia officer, title deed clerck and lumber trader, married Zübeyde Hanım in 1871.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73630207290373752652010-06-28T09:32:50.148-07:002010-06-28T09:32:50.148-07:00Mustafa Kamal is obviously illegitimate with no fa...Mustafa Kamal is obviously illegitimate with no father’s name!.<br /><br />He was given the name ‘Mustaf’ without any father’s or family name attached to it! Later on, the middle name ‘Kamal’ was added to his first name. Then at the age of 53, in1934, he was given the nickname ‘Ataturk’.<br /><br />Some Western sources claim that his father was Ali Rıza Efendi. If that was the case why wasn’t he called ‘Mustafa Ali Efendi’ instead of having to be given the middle name ‘Kamal’ and, much later, the nickname ‘Ataturk’?. <br /><br />Even his birth date is unknown, and his birth place was Salonika, a known settling place for Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain after the fall of Granada, the last Muslim enclave, in 1492. In 1493, Castilians and Sicilians joined them. In subsequent years, other Jews came from those lands and also from Aragon, Valencia, Calabria, Venice, Apulia, Provence and Naples. Later, in 1540, 1560, Jews from Portugal sought refuge in Salonika in response to the political persecution of the marranos. In addition to these Sephardim, a few Ashkenazim arrived from Austria, Transylvania and Hungary. Immigration was great enough that by 1519, the Jews already represented 56% of the population and in 1613, 68%<br /><br />Some sources say that his mother was Jewish, his father was Greek and he was born out of wedlock. <br /><br />Authentic historical sources reveal that he was definitely an agent of the British, French and Russians who have used him to defeat the Ottoman Empire and abolish Islaam and the Arabic Language in what became known as secular “modern Turkey”!.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-785911251964049362010-04-29T15:15:34.909-07:002010-04-29T15:15:34.909-07:00Why are people afraid of exploring and investigati...Why are people afraid of exploring and investigating the lives of leaders? If Ataturk had nothing to keep in secret about his family and also his marriage life, then why Latifa Usakligil was forced to keep her mouth shut? Noone is perfect. Don't make idols of people. Neither Ataturk, nor other leaders of history were just perfect. Perfect people don't become politicians. Just remember that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13144239138338733552009-01-17T23:59:00.000-08:002009-01-17T23:59:00.000-08:00before writing something like this, get more info ...before writing something like this, get more info please. You can start with Ataturk's books, say, Nutuk. I don't know if there is an English version of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77536273053586849872009-01-10T15:27:00.000-08:002009-01-10T15:27:00.000-08:00Green eyed, from Salonica and anti-muslim, but a g...Green eyed, from Salonica and anti-muslim, but a great Turk. The greatest (or maybe just earliest) case of brainwashing a whole nation in history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62250435391530414722008-08-02T20:19:00.000-07:002008-08-02T20:19:00.000-07:00This is typical ppl who cant stand Turkeys greatne...This is typical ppl who cant stand Turkeys greatnes, that you write something bullshit like that! Ataturk a Jew? wtf, how more can you be jealous? Why not make him an Alien from other space! He was a Great Turk and a good Muslim.Ne mutlu Turkum diyene!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84587251369122152692008-07-27T19:41:00.000-07:002008-07-27T19:41:00.000-07:00good thing is we have an article like that, bad th...good thing is we have an article like that, bad thing is elite of turkey never let this article to be seen by turks. this shocking realities may have a chance to start questioning ataturk. and it ll be the beginning of collapsing a big century lie in this land. good work keep it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18150111959968121482008-07-22T21:55:00.000-07:002008-07-22T21:55:00.000-07:00amazing work!! great article!amazing work!! great article!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3470214762585617222008-04-23T01:43:00.000-07:002008-04-23T01:43:00.000-07:00jumping to conclusions? have we read the same arti...jumping to conclusions? have we read the same article? i found the article refreshingly un-biased, but i guess your either albanian or of albanian descented turk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88851636348774726032007-11-15T02:04:00.000-08:002007-11-15T02:04:00.000-08:00You should research more into the Albanian Culture...You should research more into the Albanian Culture before jumping into conclusions about Ataturk's origin. By the way, his physical features and manors were very Albanian like. Please research into a book from Ekrem Pasha Vlora.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com