tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1154132751940658916..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Why understanding ethnic differences in IQ matters: Part CMXIIUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31216972442421892972011-12-06T06:37:39.797-08:002011-12-06T06:37:39.797-08:00There is good news, that is that the car industry ...There is good news, that is that the car industry is changing. It is hardly worth having salesmen anymore.JWOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00004178958481335795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61442884248886893412011-12-06T06:08:17.259-08:002011-12-06T06:08:17.259-08:00"evergreen, try looking at it this way. Gener..."evergreen, try looking at it this way. Generally, if you want to convince another party to care about your interests it's necessary to demonstrate that you care about the other party's. So you might try completing the following sentence: "Whites benefit by putting black interests before white interests by..." "<br /><br />In what specific situation would I need to demonstrate that I support their interests? <br /><br />And another question: If it's a matter of only wanting the best workers, why not just adopt a race-neutral policy and hire whoever the best worker is, not taking race into account? That would help me as well as everyone else. Don't even ask the race of the applicant, just take the application and go based solely off of qualifications. Why not get children prepared for college from the minute they are in kindergarten? I say the solution is the raise the expectations for EVERYONE. Stop this paternalistic view and expect the best from everyone, and makes sure everyone has the same opportunity of access to the best education. Also, the parents need to get involved big time.mr_evergreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08343440218481916947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85837291715257854272011-12-05T17:40:52.996-08:002011-12-05T17:40:52.996-08:00evergreen, try looking at it this way. Generally,...evergreen, try looking at it this way. Generally, if you want to convince another party to care about your interests it's necessary to demonstrate that you care about the other party's. So you might try completing the following sentence: "Whites benefit by putting black interests before white interests by..."<br /><br />SilverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55643676789501573112011-12-05T15:38:45.449-08:002011-12-05T15:38:45.449-08:00evergreen - you could use the data to point out to...evergreen - you could use the data to point out to various interested parties that, given educational achievement gaps between blacks and whites simply mirror their differing IQ distributions, the government should stop taking your tax dollars trying to pound square pegs into round holes. This assumes you're on the net-paying side of the equation.<br /><br />If the above still eludes your deductive/inductive skillset, I think oil-change technician is about as high as you need to aim.<br /><br />This is not a matter of deductive/inductive for me. This is a matter of what I'm worried about. People will take stuff such as IQ and race seriously enough to implement policies that will make life for Black people such as myself difficult. I like being able to attend any university I please based on MY merit as a student. I like being able to live in the USA as a first class citizen, not as a second class citizen the way Blacks lived back in the Jim Crow days. I don't take IQ and Race literally because it doesn't represent ME. If I took it seriously, I would have given up on life and lead life as the so-called oil changer you suggested. I'm in college and will graduate next semester. I chose to get good grades in high school so that I could get into college. I did so because I did not want to be another statistic involving Black males being in prison or unemployed. I did so because the military isn't for me. <br /><br />As for tax dollars, why not just leave race out of this? If your goal is to keep "square pegs" out of "round holes", you can start with the parents. I say the big problem has more to do with culture and the PARENTS. My father was on me in high school about my homework. He made sure I did it too. I knew White kids who parents didn't care whether or not their kids did their homework. Saw the same from some Black kids too. My high school experience in rural Georgia taught me alot. There were quite a few students of both races who weren't that bright. It's that culture that I lived around, but avoided because my father steered me away from it.mr_evergreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08343440218481916947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49301436205986267722011-12-05T14:30:00.869-08:002011-12-05T14:30:00.869-08:00evergreen - you could use the data to point out to...evergreen - you could use the data to point out to various interested parties that, given educational achievement gaps between blacks and whites simply mirror their differing IQ distributions, the government should stop taking your tax dollars trying to pound square pegs into round holes. This assumes you're on the net-paying side of the equation.<br /><br />If the above still eludes your deductive/inductive skillset, I think oil-change technician is about as high as you need to aim.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77307809208203702972011-12-05T06:28:22.687-08:002011-12-05T06:28:22.687-08:00"I don't know. Since you can't figure..."I don't know. Since you can't figure out the implications of a Gaussian distribution, blue collar may still be aiming too high"<br /><br />I don't think you got my point. I was asking how this helps ME as an individual. I don't care about distribution stuff because at the end the day, I have to look out for ME.<br /><br />And when you were saying "blue collar" labor is aiming to high, what were you suggesting I aim for?? And this is a serious question.mr_evergreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08343440218481916947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6629128503340740932011-12-05T00:33:59.907-08:002011-12-05T00:33:59.907-08:00Re: David Davenport
Objection to PP? I have no ob...Re: David Davenport<br />Objection to PP? I have no objection. Obviously, too, a<br />welfare system that tends to reward the over-production of unloved and otherwise unwanted children, is pure social poison. Clearly, whatever mitigation/solution/ can arise will have to be made up of a lot of elements. We have to co-exist with Blacks, if hopefully, in arm's length distancing and in an effective degree of separation in the mutual interests of us and them. Enough of the abler Blacks realize that, also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41547704069150692252011-12-04T21:46:42.425-08:002011-12-04T21:46:42.425-08:00Take away the oil income money and remittances fro...<i>Take away the oil income money and remittances from workers in the US and Mexico's a much poorer country.</i><br /><br />So what? That's still far from "dirt poor."<br /><br />By global standards, Mexicans are still quite well off. They're richer than they've ever been before and they have been and are slowly but steadily growing richer still. Whether they'll ever reach American standards is harder to say, and, because if they ever do it'll be such a long time in the future (even a rapid but totally unrealistic 5% average annual growth rate still leaves them a quarter of a century away) it's beside the point.<br /><br />To the characteristically clueless liberal who commented above, Mexicans owned more cars per capita than Russians in 2008 (is Russia "dirt poor"?) and were at 85% of the level of Israeli car ownership (is Israel bordering on "dirt poor"?). <br /><br />SilverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64146120161040148512011-12-04T17:19:04.562-08:002011-12-04T17:19:04.562-08:00I didn't realise the Scotch-Irish had such an ...I didn't realise the Scotch-Irish had such an intense dislike for the Germans. I guess you learn something new every day.Londonernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70125352446604182052011-12-04T08:23:56.167-08:002011-12-04T08:23:56.167-08:00Steve, I think you meant Consumer Reports. And you...Steve, I think you meant Consumer Reports. And you're STILL using awhile when you mean a while. Very disappointing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84794112157596622992011-12-04T04:02:37.225-08:002011-12-04T04:02:37.225-08:00I worked for a year on a local (Virginia) farm and...I worked for a year on a local (Virginia) farm and a Mexican woman I worked with and her husband wanted to buy a house back in 2005/6. Her English was limited but not terrible. They went for a loan to one of the Latino organizations to get help in applying for the loan. They encouraged them to buy a $500,000 house on their two farm incomes. They were not working under the table, so they paid taxes and they had several kids still living at home - additional expense. And directed them to a bank that served the largely Latino market.<br /><br />The woman came in day after day and asked the other workers if this was reasonable. She was leery and rightly so. We encouraged her skepticism.<br /><br />Eventually they found a house for around $200,000 and bought that. Guess what - they still live there while many Virginia towns emptied of Latino homeowners. <br /><br />Nowhere have I seen any articles about the role, and perhaps large fees earned, by Latino and perhaps black run organizations and friendly banks (with Latino and black loan officers) who ripped off their own (kickbacks?). This woman wanted to trust these people, but fortunately for her, she was smart enough to do the numbers and to ask for other advice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40994439253776121752011-12-03T17:52:12.913-08:002011-12-03T17:52:12.913-08:00The only way this is not going to impact the rest ...<i> The only way this is not going to impact the rest of society is to "solve" it with machine guns and bulldozers.</i><br /><br />What's your objection to putting more Planned Parenthood clinics in the appropriate parts of town? <br /><br />What's so bad about the PP solution? <br /><br />Me, I can find no prohibition on abortion in the New Testament.David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47340564343749285942011-12-03T15:02:59.762-08:002011-12-03T15:02:59.762-08:00Re Paul Mendez and edgy girl
The topic is "un...Re Paul Mendez and edgy girl<br />The topic is "understanding" ethnic<br />differences , not advocating preferences. The Black circumstance, not part of my experience, is especially degraded by urbanization. While I, too, prefer they "stay somewhere else", reality suggests that our security is significantly related to their well-being. Black "intelligence" as a matter of social network and adaptation suffers enormously from the upward mobility that lets abler Blacks in urban ghettos migrate to the suburbs. Some ghetto pockets lack even a single triple digit IQ. The only way this is not going to impact the rest of society is to "solve" it with machine guns and bulldozers.<br />Count me out of that approach, and,<br />in fairness, I assume you are also<br />aversive to any such "solution". What then? Rural villages, not exactly culturally endowed, nonetheless offered a hierachial interaction that aided Black adaptation in ways largely alien to<br />ghetto "sardine can" existence. Obviously, it is only in the last few eyeblinks of long human evolution that Blacks have been subjected to such unnatural abuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80557366654851977502011-12-03T08:22:57.281-08:002011-12-03T08:22:57.281-08:00Have you ever been to Mexico? I have. It's not...<i>Have you ever been to Mexico? I have. It's not dirt poor.</i><br /><br />Take away the oil income money and remittances from workers in the US and Mexico's a much poorer country.Camlostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44841616458417412172011-12-02T21:11:23.719-08:002011-12-02T21:11:23.719-08:00"Matt said...
Mexico would be better served ..."Matt said...<br /><br />Mexico would be better served if its citizens stayed and helped to make it a better place. As it is, they're not doing such a bad job."<br /><br />Yeah, not bad....other than the epidemic of decapitations. But no place is perfect.<br /><br />I suppose our anonymous scold wants us to import that little mexican pastime as well.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2193751483009994992011-12-02T20:17:29.600-08:002011-12-02T20:17:29.600-08:00"And of course, your solution is to keep them...<i>"And of course, your solution is to keep them dirt poor in Mexico, where they won't even ever have the dream of some day owning a car. You are compassionate, Mr.Sailer. You care about those Mexican immigrants so much!"</i><br /><br />The pro-immigrationist, multicultist viewpoint in a nutshell. What we want doesnt matter, its them wanting a better life thats important.<br /><br />And most importantly the complete lack of any idea that just maybe what makes our country OK and their country less so is the people who live in it.<br /><br />In effect a white society is nothing to do with whites, its caused by the weather, a gas rsing out of the ground and those whites use their trick-knowledge to keep it all for themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76029590748526792532011-12-02T20:00:52.597-08:002011-12-02T20:00:52.597-08:00Let's not forget the indelible trait that trum...Let's not forget the indelible trait that trumps everything when you're sitting in the auto dealership's finance manager's office: your credit score.<br /><br />If you walk in and fit the initial racial profile (as I do), that same profile will be blasted to hell the minute they find your credit score kicks ass (as mine does). I bought a new car recently and certain unusual factors in my racial make-up changed the attitude of the dealership considerably. Originally I was treated like Jose Gomez from El Monte. <br /><br />You're right, however, in that dealers/salesmen make "educated" guesses about incoming customers which are probably spot on for the most part. Unless you're a druglord in which case you pay cash, I suppose...<br /><br />Has anyone ever attempted to measure credit score controlled by ethnicity?An Unmarried Manhttp://www.phoenixism.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46803113862136325432011-12-02T16:32:30.448-08:002011-12-02T16:32:30.448-08:00You have to admire it, it's brilliant, really....You have to admire it, it's brilliant, really. They take lower wages and drastically overpay for everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65407143968043599292011-12-02T15:52:14.957-08:002011-12-02T15:52:14.957-08:00edgy gurl said...
Yes, and you'd still be squa...<b><i>edgy gurl said...</i></b><br />Yes, and you'd still be squarely in the middle class. Also, you're not much of a Texan if you can't distinguish town from city or recognize that we left the passive voice back in the old country along with the villages.<br /><br /><br />I love the middle class. The upper class has disintegrated, and the upper class we refer to is not the old aristocracy but merely, "those with lots of money"Difference Makernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26784872455212430772011-12-02T14:54:55.003-08:002011-12-02T14:54:55.003-08:00>I often ask "what helps ME"?? It is ...>I often ask "what helps ME"?? It is me the individual I'm worried about<<br /><br />Good thinking on the individual level. Public policy, however, has to take into account population(s) as a whole. The individual ought to do whatever he can. The government, on the other hand, ought to be realistic about statistics of large numbers of people and accordingly be prudent in its policies. Individuals should be prudent in the same way, but since they don't have the scale of the government, they can afford (can't not afford) to look at people on a person-by-person basis more often.<br /><br />On the micro level, HDB functions like good folk wisdom. Exceptions or anomalies are important. But on the macro level, though, the odds must be played, because there just won't be enough exceptions.<br /><br />Again, the individual should do what he can. Government should be restricted to the most conservative bets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89058993878353394842011-12-02T14:13:08.385-08:002011-12-02T14:13:08.385-08:00And of course, your solution is to keep them dirt ...<i>And of course, your solution is to keep them dirt poor in Mexico, where they won't even ever have the dream of some day owning a car.</i><br /><br />Have you ever been to Mexico? I have. It's not dirt poor. Car ownership, even among average people, is not unusual. Sure, Mexico is considerably poorer than the US, but its GDP per capita (PPP) is something like $14k. Google tells me there's 264 cars per thousand people. It's no Monaco, but it's no Haiti either.<br /><br />Mexico would be better served if its citizens stayed and helped to make it a better place. As it is, they're not doing such a bad job.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89240925313181541142011-12-02T13:43:56.795-08:002011-12-02T13:43:56.795-08:00...pushed...
Or jumped? Many of these people went...<i>...pushed...</i><br /><br />Or jumped? Many of these people went into it because <b>house prices were steadily going up</b>. They'd heard all the stories of flippers who sold houses 6 months later for $50k profit, and they wanted in on some of that action. What could go so wrong in 6 months? OK, so it might only be $20k profit -- big deal. It was like reverse musical chairs: they were caught sitting down at the wrong time.<br /><br />Of course there were plenty of, uhh, opportunistic characters all over the place who enabled all of that. For their cut of course.<br /><br />So I'm less sure than you about how many were "pushed" and how many jumped. Ignorant or not.ehnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87269323142050742822011-12-02T12:51:56.524-08:002011-12-02T12:51:56.524-08:00If I took this IQ stuff seriously, then I wouldn&#...<i>If I took this IQ stuff seriously, then I wouldn't have expected much from myself, and therefore, would have gone into some kind of blue collar labor for a "career".</i><br /><br />I don't know. Since you can't figure out the implications of a Gaussian distribution, blue collar may still be aiming too high.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1944349014962012252011-12-02T12:17:15.996-08:002011-12-02T12:17:15.996-08:00If I took this IQ stuff seriously, then I wouldn&#...If I took this IQ stuff seriously, then I wouldn't have expected much from myself, and therefore, would have gone into some kind of blue collar labor for a "career". Someone says "Black people have low IQ's in general"? What next? Take some menial job? If I am to live up to my best, I have to expect the best from myself, and so do other people. Who gets tested? What role does culture play in it? What role does expectation play?<br /><br />I often ask "what helps ME"?? It is me the individual I'm worried about?mr_evergreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08343440218481916947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84221237069035691092011-12-02T10:33:23.987-08:002011-12-02T10:33:23.987-08:00"When the duller folks went to cities to find..."When the duller folks went to cities to find jobs, they tended to have less brainy contact and to be far more softly semi-segregated into their own stratum. Intelligence is not merely secreted by the brain but has a social network component.<br />12/2/11 10:06 AM"<br /><br />Yes, and you'd still be squarely in the middle class. Also, you're not much of a Texan if you can't distinguish town from city or recognize that we left the passive voice back in the old country along with the villages.edgy gurlnoreply@blogger.com