tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1155590886712799914..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The Harry Potter Effect?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66412555272563840742012-02-28T00:21:52.930-08:002012-02-28T00:21:52.930-08:00The international celebration of Englishness reach...The international celebration of Englishness reaches new heights on sports day at the best English private schools.Wimbledon Hospitalityhttp://www.paragonhospitality.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29145791154982358472011-07-24T19:37:13.816-07:002011-07-24T19:37:13.816-07:00An Anonymous said:
Did you expect any better? It&...An Anonymous said:<br /><br /><i>Did you expect any better? It's isteve. The only place where Terry Tao's achievements pale in comparison to Tim Berners-Lee's, and path-breaking papers on the P versus NP question (reformulated as the unique games conjecture) matter less than writing a web crawler.</i><br /><br /><br />Not having a high IQ, my understanding of P versus NP will be non-existent; however, without Sir Tim's invention I guess you would have some difficulty in communicating your wisdom on blog comments.Claverhousehttp://www.serene-falcon.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76578919956558977782011-07-24T11:53:55.784-07:002011-07-24T11:53:55.784-07:00Standard deviations vary but there isn't much ...Standard deviations vary but there isn't much reason to assume lower standard deviation in most samples (or higher) - there are some data which show Asian groups as having higher standard deviations, some which show even all the Asian subgroups in America having an identical standard deviation to Whites, Blacks and Hispanics, even when aggregated (e.g. the TIMSS data).<br /><br />Generally, I think the following profiles and models are sufficient for Asians:<br /><br />- North East Asians: 3-5 points higher in full scale IQ than Whites, disproportinately concentrated in visuo-spatial IQ (makes good engineers and helps with some aspects of maths), much less confrontational personality.<br /><br />- South Asians: Somewhat lower IQ than Whites, but not so low as it would seem once nutrition and disease are factored in. Apparently lowest White-South Asian IQ differences in South India. Higher heritability than Whites through arranged marriages and possibly long term genetic substructure, so kids don't show much regression and Brahmin kids tend to stay smart. Similar standard deviation considered as a whole population. And there's really not much difference between this and a complicated model where people try to work out different subpopulations with different IQ scores.<br /><br />- South East Asians: Like North East Asians in pattern of strengths and temperament but somewhat lower full scale IQ than Whites.<br /><br />- West Asians: Like Whites but somewhat lower IQ. Possibly somewhat more confrontational and status oriented.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18534985907202404992011-07-24T10:25:50.391-07:002011-07-24T10:25:50.391-07:00"I'm not sure there are any "super h..."I'm not sure there are any "super high IQ" immigrants from Asia. Can you prove your assertion?<br /><br />When I was at Brown, I encountered an Asian girl who seemed to be 150+, but "super high IQ" is 160 or 170 or higher."<br /><br />Everything I've read about IQ and the Bell Curve, as they relate to major racial groups, is that while the "Asian" category (usually meaning Korean, Japanese and Chinese) does average a very few point higher, they do cluster more around that average, so that a smaller percentage (compared with European descended persons) are at the right and left extremes of the curve. People overestimate the prevalance of high IQ--"super IQ", as manifested by most persons recognized as "geniuses", is in upper one half of one percent, and that would be over 140, not 170 (extraordinarily rare.) While there are certainly very smart Asian Americans, some of whom I know personally, they have hardly taken over the position of inventors of the modern world. I was surprised to learn that all of the computer languages were written by white guys--admittedly, I don't know their ethnicities-- except for Ruby, which was written by a Japanese. I had thought that surely Indians had written some. But no. Not yet anyway. And I've learned on this blog that code written by Indian programmers is not highly regarded. I've been pretty impressed with some of their business skills though, and the companies they've started. One I know of was excellent to work for--he did his best to get the best benefits for his mostly American employees.<br /> However, so far, the Chinese have had to beg, borrow and/or steal most of the their technological advancements, with the aiding and abetting of various former American presidents, who had reasons of their own. The ease with which Chinese from China--persons who made no pretense whatsover of their intentions to return to China--had access to all kinds of tech "secrets", would make us all do a double take concerning the game-plan of our governing bodies. Don't think for a minute that any "government" is on the side of their citizens. They work only for themselves, among themselves, and are quite ecumenical that way.sandhillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74508522059941224972011-07-23T10:49:34.579-07:002011-07-23T10:49:34.579-07:00Stari_Momak:
I mean 'Zappos' -- come on, ...Stari_Momak:<br /><br /><i>I mean 'Zappos' -- come on, yet another way to buy crap over the internet? </i><br /><br />Although we might note it plays out the dynamic in miniature:<br /><br />founding, concept and basic entreprenuership by a guy with an obscure Anglo Saxon origin name (Swinmurn), built up into an enormously successful company with Asian origin venture capitalists who'd built their cash through an entreprenuerial but fairly grindy not-exactly-every-young-WASP's-dream business (a web advertising firm conveniently enough founded by a Chinese, an Indian and with an Iranian junior partner, although only the Chinese is relevant to the Zappos).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83672333703330360342011-07-23T10:21:56.645-07:002011-07-23T10:21:56.645-07:00So, according to B, the American descendents of En...<i>So, according to B, the American descendents of English settlers should have higher IQ, and so according to A be more successful at whatever they do, than Americans of continental European descent. Personally I don't know of the slightest evidence for this, but Steve's the expert here. Is it so, Steve? and if not, why not?</i><br /><br />As an Englishman, I did note with a smile, English Americans are close to the top of the league table in Wordsum on the American GSS - http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2010/06/low-southern-italian-iq.html. They're not Jews, but it's not a bad position.<br /><br />To the extent there are Whites (period) in the recent IMO (International Mathematical Olympiad) list, they seem to have WASP names, rather than other White ethnic or Jewish names. http://official.imo2011.nl/country_individual_r.aspx?code=USA. But frankly I wouldn't read much into the IMO - it's fairly obvious it's not very representative of population cognitive differences (e.g. Korean-American or Indian-American rep is nothing like Chinese-American rep, in contrast to IQ).<br /><br />I don't seriously think there is any Founding Stock advantage though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85777369060454913142011-07-23T10:00:17.693-07:002011-07-23T10:00:17.693-07:00"People interested in Theoretical Physics, Pu...<i>"People interested in Theoretical Physics, Pure Math, EE, and Theoretical Computer Science don't like to become sanitation engineers."</i><br /><br />You see, the Indian population has too high an IQ to produce any number of sanitation engineers... ;) <br /><br />(They probably will solve this problem, the above simply seems like a distinctly lame comeback...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83867145381476465152011-07-23T09:49:28.601-07:002011-07-23T09:49:28.601-07:00Is it amusing to me that these people are effectiv...Is it amusing to me that these people are effectively celebrating England becoming the de facto metropol of a colonial mercantile empire simply because the people who are making it so are not British?<br /><br />"We must at present do our best to form a class of persons Indian in blood and colour but English in tastes, in opinion, in morals, and in intellect". Or perhaps that should be, rather than "but English in tastes, morals, intellect", "but who appropriate the English culture as gaudy kitsch".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62525554867389963202011-07-22T20:10:05.255-07:002011-07-22T20:10:05.255-07:00Reread the Great Gatsby again if you are naive to ...Reread the Great Gatsby again if you are naive to think that the WASPs are done and IQ trumps everything.<br /><br />The Established Families always seem to win in the long run. Similar things happened when Napoleon was hot.<br /><br />The various lords and ladies are not there by fluke. They were groomed to rule and step over anyone which stand before them for generations.<br /><br />If everything else fails, they will give their son or daughter (preferably sterile) to the new 'powers' to marry, and protect their privileged situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81568118142930948842011-07-22T16:27:05.424-07:002011-07-22T16:27:05.424-07:00"People interested in Theoretical Physics, Pu..."People interested in Theoretical Physics, Pure Math, EE, and <br />Theoretical Computer Science don't like to become sanitation engineers."<br /><br />Bill Gates IS looking for someone to engineer a superior toilet. Perhaps the design of the appliance itself might interest the super brains. <br /><br />What if we didn't have the money for the relatively impractical research done with colliders, etc? Would these guys be too distracted dropping objects from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to design an efficient aqueduct for an overpopulated city?<br /><br />I wouldn't mind people like you if you didn't expect the US to subsidize the third world as if we'd somehow taken money and resources from them and owed it back. Yet, when it comes to the rights of "special" immigrants to walk away from their communities to pursue esoteric careers that may or may not improve life for the masses, you don't blink an eye.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1891945104429347262011-07-22T16:06:20.336-07:002011-07-22T16:06:20.336-07:00What IQ do you think tenured faculty at top-5 inst...<i>What IQ do you think tenured faculty at top-5 institutes in Theoretical Physics, Pure Math, and Theoretical Computer Science have?</i><br /><br />So, if I'm counting correctly, you were able to name a grand total of ONE super-high-IQ immigrant to the US.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16469117191344875642011-07-22T04:18:21.335-07:002011-07-22T04:18:21.335-07:00"Kannan Soundararajan is a Tamil Brahmin.
Su..."Kannan Soundararajan is a Tamil Brahmin.<br /><br />Subash Khot is a Maharashtrian Brahmin"<br /><br />There are lots of non-Brahmin Indians in elite Theoretical Computer Science and Pure Math. <br /><br />In TCS, of the top of my head: Sanjeev Arora, Manindra Agrawal, Moses Charikar,the Vazirani brothers, Ketan Mulmuley .... <br /><br />In Pure Math: Abhinav Kumar, Ravi Vakil, Chandrashekhar Khare ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41602846638051957672011-07-22T04:02:26.225-07:002011-07-22T04:02:26.225-07:00"You (Anonymous AS) bring up the Zappo's ..."You (Anonymous AS) bring up the Zappo's founder"<br /><br />Different anon. <br /><br /><br />"I'm not sure there are any "super high IQ" immigrants from Asia. Can you prove your assertion?"<br /><br />What IQ do you think tenured faculty at top-5 institutes in Theoretical Physics, Pure Math, and <br />Theoretical Computer Science have? <br /><br />See this, on Terry Tao:<br /><br />http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10116.aspx<br /><br />"Terry's IQ has been assessed as between 220 and 230, and he has no areas of academic weakness. Even in English and social studies, which he considers his weaker subjects, he is working at a level 4 years above his chronological age. "<br /><br />What about, say Ravi Vakil (From Wiki: "He has participated with the Canadian team in three IMO's winning two gold and one silver medals and was the fourth person to be a four-time Putnam Fellow in the history of the contest.") or Akshay Venkatesh (From Wiki: "He is the only Australian to have won medals at both the International Physics Olympiad and International Mathematics Olympiad, at the age of 12")? Both are again Professors of Math at Stanford. <br /><br />"they should be worrying about training and retaining sanitation engineers for one thing."<br /><br />People interested in Theoretical Physics, Pure Math, EE, and <br />Theoretical Computer Science don't like to become sanitation engineers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87935032551038031282011-07-22T03:57:06.052-07:002011-07-22T03:57:06.052-07:00"English (private) schools and American Unive..."English (private) schools and American Universities" (2 of the world's educational systems more independent of government control.<br /><br />Most of the fashionably popular entretainments are in or close to London which suggests these people may be cosmoPOLITAN but not interestedin anywhere outside the city.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69773929419078906202011-07-21T23:35:39.647-07:002011-07-21T23:35:39.647-07:00"Those 170 people usually end up writing nutr..."Those 170 people usually end up writing nutrition and Wellness guides that quickly go out of print, and then move on to hosting wackstick radio programs."<br /><br />I resent your negative attitude towards using nutrition to improve your health. While I haven't used Savage's advice, I have used other's recommendations about dietary choices that keep me from having to use pharmaceuticals to maintain good health. I'm infinitely fascinated about such research and will probably buy one of Savage's books when and if he's studied a topic useful for me or a family member.<br /><br />Do you really think he's a scam artist or are you ignorantly trying to deny his education and ability level because you don't like some of his political beliefs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27696077168634586322011-07-21T23:28:26.382-07:002011-07-21T23:28:26.382-07:00"Those 170 people usually end up writing nutr..."Those 170 people usually end up writing nutrition and Wellness guides that quickly go out of print, and then move on to hosting wackstick radio programs."<br /><br />You seem to be making an accusation. I don't know why. <br /><br />First, you should probably develop strategies for recognizing exceptional abilities if this is important to you. A person who does one thing you can't do probably isn't a genius. A person who does many things most of us can't do probably is. Savage has multiple degrees and speaks more than one language. His wide range of interests doesn't disqualify or confirm him as a genius. The rest of his history seems to prove he's very smart indeed.<br /><br />Second, you should recognize that even high IQ humans have a variety of emotional and spiritual needs just like the rest of us and they will also be able to choose political parties, philosophies and religions just like the rest of us. There isn't going to be that one right political platform or choice of atheism vs agnosticism or religious faith. <br /><br />Third, likely being closer to a normal IQ than Savage, you should been content in the knowledge that being wise and careful in your decision making, you'll do as well if not better in life than someone with an IQ of 160+. No need to go around like a zombie thinking your mind is worthless and you should just defer to Savage's always better ideas and choices. It doesn't work that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70751079817915867212011-07-21T23:17:43.445-07:002011-07-21T23:17:43.445-07:00@Anon wrote - Strange that nobody mentions even mo...@Anon wrote - Strange that nobody mentions even more elite immigrants like Terrence Tao, Andy Yao, Kannan Soundararajan, or Subhash Khot. <br /><br />--<br /><br />Kannan Soundararajan is a Tamil Brahmin.<br /><br />Subash Khot is a Maharashtrian BrahminAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8337175635870756302011-07-21T22:25:54.115-07:002011-07-21T22:25:54.115-07:00Yes super high IQ is 160-170. You're talking M...Yes super high IQ is 160-170. You're talking Michael Savage level of intelligence. Just ask him.<br /><br />Those 170 people usually end up writing nutrition and Wellness guides that quickly go out of print, and then move on to hosting wackstick radio programs. Isaac Newton was an exception to this trend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57918355779803186042011-07-21T19:33:53.983-07:002011-07-21T19:33:53.983-07:00There is a fair competition going on, some compani...<i>There is a fair competition going on, some companies will look at the entire population of the USA in search of the highest IQ.</i><br /><br />No, there are no such companies. You are lying.<br /><br />As for the "fair competition", it's as fair as a competition to see who gets to sleep with YOUR wife.<br /><br />This is our country, and it's not fair for us to have to compete with others for the resources that belong to us.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8579710993234351602011-07-21T19:28:16.351-07:002011-07-21T19:28:16.351-07:00Go to ten k wizard or edgar online and see who it ...<i>Go to ten k wizard or edgar online and see who it is that is leading the new economy. Read about the people that founded google and the rest of the new economy companies. These are people that believe in hiring the absolute highest IQ</i><br /><br />Bullshit. I am 45 years old and have never seen any evidence of a company that seeks to hire the highest-IQ people it can find. <br /><br />They don't exist.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45866016208942224402011-07-21T19:19:17.925-07:002011-07-21T19:19:17.925-07:00Steve, I think that this is a very important post....<i>Steve, I think that this is a very important post. Clearly if you read the "race realist" web sites like Mangans you see anger and resentment over the fact that super high IQ immigrants from Asia seem to make lots more money than people whose ancestors came on the mayflower.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure there are any "super high IQ" immigrants from Asia. Can you prove your assertion?<br /><br />When I was at Brown, I encountered an Asian girl who seemed to be 150+, but "super high IQ" is 160 or 170 or higher.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86457182197049430542011-07-21T16:43:43.257-07:002011-07-21T16:43:43.257-07:00"Did you expect any better? It's isteve. ..."Did you expect any better? It's isteve. The only place where Terry Tao's achievements pale in comparison to Tim Berners-Lee's, and path-breaking papers on the P versus NP question (reformulated as the unique games conjecture) matter less than writing a web crawler."<br /><br />You (Anonymous AS) bring up the Zappo's founder, I point out that the medium that makes his very derivative (if lucrative) accomplishment was developed by an Anglo-Saxon. So you switch fields, bringing some pure math guy into the 'argument'. I'd say that its a rhetorical technique, but I suspect the shift is just plain lack of intelligence. It matches your lack of knowledge; Berners-Lee wrote and implemented the first Hypertext Transmission Control Protocol, not a web-crawler. <br /><br />All this is beside the point, at least my point. I am sure there are millions of talented individuals in India and China -- but we were doing fine without them in the West. Further, India and China, despite the hype, are still very poor countries on average. Maybe instead of exporting electrical engineers and CS whizzes to make marginal improvements in search technologies, they should be worrying about <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7073187.stm" rel="nofollow">training and retaining sanitation engineers </a>for one thing.stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14569070182213243952011-07-21T14:12:29.895-07:002011-07-21T14:12:29.895-07:00As I understand it, Steve holds that:
A. IQ mainly...<i>As I understand it, Steve holds that:<br />A. IQ mainly determines success at most things;<br />B. IQ is mainly hereditary.</i><br /><br />I think Steve holds that:<br /><br />A. IQ correlates with success in many things.<br /><br />B. IQ is partly hereditary, proportion unknown or variable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62517141250890269442011-07-21T13:59:21.267-07:002011-07-21T13:59:21.267-07:00Elected president of the Republic of France in 184...<i>Elected president of the Republic of France in 1848, Napoléon III became emperor on 2 December 1852. Under his new rank, Napoléon III decided to modernize Paris after seeing London, a city transformed by the Industrial Revolution, which offered large public parks and a complete sewer system. Inspired by Rambuteau's ideas, and aware of social issues, he wished to improve the housing conditions of the lower class; in some neighbourhoods, the population density reached numbers of 100,000 people/km2 (250,000 people/sq. mile) in conditions of very poor sanitation. The goal was also for public authority to better control a capital where several regimes had been overthrown since 1789. Some real-estate owners demanded large, straight avenues to help troops manoeuvre.</i> <br /><br /><br />Paris in 1848 was not "light and airy". They took their design inspiration from London.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87470632486015150752011-07-21T13:53:09.631-07:002011-07-21T13:53:09.631-07:00"Provides immediate upper bound on this comme...<i>"Provides immediate upper bound on this commenter's IQ and understanding of computer science."</i> <br /><br /><br />Provides immediate upper bound on this commenter's IQ and understanding of computer science.<br /><br />Rather poor in both cases.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com