tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1255009776976956743..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: NYT: "Dallas’s Role in Kennedy’s Murder"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44192384464448126762013-11-20T07:23:53.384-08:002013-11-20T07:23:53.384-08:00If some political group had actually hired Oswald ...<i>If some political group had actually hired Oswald and valued him, he would likely have been just another radical hack spouting opinions.</i><br /><br />The only radical political group of any significance in 1963 was the loser FBI-controlled CPUSA. That changed in just two years-and it's hard to argue that LHO didn't play a big role in bringing about that change. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6393919435203358862013-11-19T12:13:07.472-08:002013-11-19T12:13:07.472-08:00"Not right. Not left. Joint effort."
Lo..."Not right. Not left. Joint effort."<br /><br />Look. Suppose I wanna kill a famous or powerful people. Suppose I rub shoulders with leftwing groups, rightwing groups, visit embassies, and seek out all sorts of contacts. Even if nothing came of those incidents, after I carry out the killing, people are gonna start connecting the dots.<br /><br />Oswald was a loser. No one paid him any attention. In a way, he killed Kennedy not because he was ordered by leftwing and rightwing forces. It was because he was ignored by all of them. They told him to get lost, and he wanted to prove to the world--and to himself--that he alone had the guts to do something big. He was like the loser guy in LOOPER with the big gun who has to prove that he can do it. <br /><br />If some political group had actually hired Oswald and valued him, he would likely have been just another radical hack spouting opinions. But they all ignored him, and so, he went off to make trouble. <br />True, there was a violent streak in him, and it'd always been there. But what really drove him over the edge was that no one cared for his commitment and 'dangerousness'. They all saw him and thought, 'a loser'. <br />It's like the scene in BRING ME THE HEAD OF ALFREDO GARCIA where some guy dismisses Benny as a 'loser'. And Benny says, 'no one loses all the time'. <br /><br />If Hitler had made it to art school, he would have been a painter. If Oswald had been respected by radical groups, he would have been a professional agitator or pundit. But he was rebuffed by all. So, he created his own narrative, as Travis Bickle did in TAXI DRIVER. <br /><br />He saw himself as a revolutionary but others just saw a putz. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2525258380814290702013-11-19T10:52:43.878-08:002013-11-19T10:52:43.878-08:00"1. Oswald had a beautiful, unobstructed shot..."1. Oswald had a beautiful, unobstructed shot from the Texas Schoolbook Depository building in Dallas as the presidential motorcade approached. He passed on a perfect shot, choosing instead to allow the motorcade to turn left and proceed below his window, and then took a much more difficult shot with his view partially obscured by a tree. Why would he have done that if he were acting alone?"<br /><br />Maybe because he just didn't realize it? Nobody has ever accused Oswald of being a genius.<br /><br />"2. The idea that he took three shots with his bolt-action Italian rifle in the elapsed time (a few seconds) -- taking out Kennedy with the head shot -- is just outside the box of credibility."<br /><br />Pfft, it's easy. I have a Carcano carbine - same action, shorter barrel - and I could make those shots easily even with iron sights, much less a scope. With a little practice anyone could fire a bolt-action rifle that quickly.<br /><br />"3. The trajectory of the bullet that was supposed to have hit the president and Texas Gov. John Connolly similarly strains credibility."<br /><br />Actually the ONLY trajectory that makes any sense for the second bullet goes through Kennedy's neck and hits Connolly.<br /><br />"1. You have to believe that Marina, the attractive MVD princess, took one look at Oswald and said, "I've got to have that man.""<br /><br />"That man" was an American. That alone would have been enough for Marina to spread for him. Besides, she was immature, and a little squirrely. She wouldn't have been the first woman to marry on a whim and later regret it.<br /><br />You have GOT to do better than just regurgitating old conspiracy nonsense. Face it, the Warren Commission got it RIGHT.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20460104252883669152013-11-19T10:39:28.934-08:002013-11-19T10:39:28.934-08:00Denouncing one's family to the authorities was...Denouncing one's family to the authorities was encouraged by Soviet Russia -- and of course other totalitarian regimes throughout history.<br /><br />Question: is the author of this piece consciously emulating Pavlik Morozov? Or is he aping Obama, who famously threw his own grandmother under the bus (but at least did not heap ridicule on her hairstyle)?<br /><br />Either way, the vileness on display here is breathtaking.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6785375020259235992013-11-19T05:57:12.285-08:002013-11-19T05:57:12.285-08:00It´s not as much Kennedy´s but rather Oswald´s mur...It´s not as much Kennedy´s but rather Oswald´s murder that seems very suspect. Unless both the USSR and the CIA wanted him dead, to prevent an escalation and conceal their implication. <br />Yes, one part of the government, say the CIA or whatever, could´ve acted without consent from the whole government, and work in collusion with the KGB and/or the Mafia. <br />I now believe Oswald did it, thinking it was a KGB contract, while actually it was a sub-contract. The CIA turned to the KGG for help, and these provided Oswald who was not only a good shot but also an easily dispensable nitwit. The motive: <br />we´ll never know. Kennedy must have rubbed the wrong people off: the mafia, the Fed, the CIA or some other branch of Government...BB753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73715118968357817382013-11-18T22:19:42.992-08:002013-11-18T22:19:42.992-08:00Wait, why just Dallas or Texas?
Since it happened...Wait, why just Dallas or Texas?<br /><br />Since it happened in America, shouldn't all Americans be ashamed? <br />Since it happened on Earth, shouldn't all humans be ashamed?<br /><br />Btw, since Lincoln was killed in Springfield, the people of that town must be responsible. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44594569159458597432013-11-18T20:26:21.263-08:002013-11-18T20:26:21.263-08:00"what does it take? said...
Not right. Not l..."what does it take? said...<br /><br />Not right. Not left. Joint effort. "Me and Lee", by Judyth Vary Baker, fills in the New Orleans deatails."<br /><br />About ten years ago, I saw a TV special on the Kennedy assassination which was largely built around the claims of Judith Baker. She was quite plainly a delusional nut. This same show also featured a woman, a young girl living in Texas at the time, who claimed that her father was one of the assassins because he was out late that night and came home in a state of nervousness. That was it. Case closed, I guess. It was all ridiculous hokum.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47438145140489622522013-11-18T16:42:21.665-08:002013-11-18T16:42:21.665-08:00I thought Michael Lind cornered the batshit I'...I thought Michael Lind cornered the batshit I'm -from-Texas/I-hate-Texas market years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83066905704527066892013-11-18T15:44:34.436-08:002013-11-18T15:44:34.436-08:00‘For those men, Kennedy was a veritable enemy of t...‘For those men, Kennedy was a veritable enemy of the state, which is why a group of them would commission and circulate “Wanted for Treason” pamphlets before the president’s arrival and fund the presciently black-rimmed “Welcome Mr. Kennedy” advertisement that ran in The Dallas Morning News on the morning of Nov. 22.’<br /><br />Of course, the guy who placed that advert was a Bernard Weissman, but that would mess up The Narrative, so his Wasp grandmother needs to be denounced instead. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37353359889229287842013-11-18T11:34:56.698-08:002013-11-18T11:34:56.698-08:00"A former defector to the USSR with a Soviet ..."A former defector to the USSR with a Soviet wife kills Kennedy? That seems a pretty obvious explanation in retrospect, especially given the amazing number of other assasinations the Soviets carried out between the 1920s and 1960s."<br /><br />I think Oswald would have felt honored if the Soviets chose him for such a mission. <br /><br />But the Russians just saw him as a blowhard, nuisance, and pest. They were glad to get rid of him. <br />Oswald later contacted other groups, leftwing ones to serve/join/lead and rightwing ones to infiltrate and subvert. <br />But he got the same treatment from all of them. A cold shoulder that said, 'get lost, you loser, we have no use for you'.<br /><br />Oswald belongs to the list of loser killers who finally pulled the trigger to prove their worth. <br />In that sense, he isn't much different from Adam Lanza. <br /><br />Or take the Fords in THE LONG RIDERS. Given the cold shoulder by the James gang but finally, 'I shot Jesse James.' ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES is one of the best films on the loser killer. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aErChTKF6u4<br /><br />There is such a character in WILD BILL and BULLETPROOF HEAT(AKA KILLER).<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffl7cF-OKh8<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63683916481385191602013-11-18T11:24:13.715-08:002013-11-18T11:24:13.715-08:00More than the Kennedy killing, it was the killing ...More than the Kennedy killing, it was the killing of Oswald that messed it all up. <br /><br />If he had lived, I think it would have been incontestable that he done it. <br /><br />To be sure, Oswald complicated matters by leaving his scent and fingerprints all over the place: with communist groups, defection to the USSR, with far-right groups, with underworld figures, with Soviet embassy in Mexico, etc. <br /><br />I think he saw himself as an important agent in history rubbing shoulders with everyone and snooping and betraying everyone. <br /><br />But in fact, no one paid any attention to him and saw him as some kid looking for attention. <br />When he was ignored and given the cold shoulder and wasn't given any respect, he took things into his own hands to prove that he could change history. <br /><br />Ironically, the key to Oswald's psychology is in the Ron Kovic character in BORN ON THE 4TH. <br />Ron sees himself as a hero, a warrior, a white knight against communism, the great patriot, etc. <br />But it's all in his head. On the night before he ships out, no one is cheering or honoring him. He feels all alone and he runs off to the prom to dance with a girl. <br />Such discrepancy between his sense of himself and how the world sees him.<br /><br />There's a character like that in MEAN STREETS too. A young would-be hood kills someone(David Carradine in the washroom) to be recognized as a man of honor. He did it in the name of the mafia boss who was supposedly insulted by the Carradine character, but the mafia boss never ordered the hit and is upset with the whole business. <br /><br />http://youtu.be/BS-6KavRfww<br /><br />It could be both Oswald and Ruby acted on their own to prove something to the world that really didn't care about them. <br /><br />To be sure, I suspect maybe Ruby was ordered to kill Oswald by the mob because the mob feared that Oswald might say crazy thing about it. <br />BTW, wasn't Ruby Jewish? <br />When will the Jewish community(and maybe Jewish hoods) take responsibility for messing up the case?<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50690467822999391652013-11-18T07:27:18.250-08:002013-11-18T07:27:18.250-08:00This is a property of the media--once the narrativ...This is a property of the media--once the narrative is established for a story, mere hard evidence that it's completely wrong is not enough to shift it. The Zimmerman story was a beautiful illustration of this phenomenon. NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67809676349191163512013-11-18T06:59:20.844-08:002013-11-18T06:59:20.844-08:00My favorite part of the quoted article is:
"...My favorite part of the quoted article is:<br /><br />"Her eyes, however, are intent, fixed on a target — liberalism, gender equality, gays."<br /><br />Cause everyone back then was obsessed with the same crap hipsters are now (after a few more months or years of 'world war T' presumably he'd have to mention how much she hated them too). Interesting he didn't mention 'white supremacy' though. Though naturally it was mentioned that his family was something in high society, if only locally.<br /><br />Is it just me or is there something especially evil about holding one's own ancestors out to the public as objects of scorn and ridicule.fondatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17615410238756343434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91133694239558080752013-11-18T06:31:44.367-08:002013-11-18T06:31:44.367-08:00"what does it take? said...
Stone was right,..."what does it take? said...<br /><br />Stone was right, a coup d'etat occurred 11/22/63, and the ideological and even biological descendants are still in power. Every president since has been a puppet who would not dare to have the Treasury Dept. print money, without involvement of the Federal Reserve (as JFK did shortly before his death; just one more nail in his coffin)."<br /><br />This is commonly trotted out by people on the right as a reason why Kennedy was assassinated - because he sought to remove the authority of the Federal Reserve to issue currency. The problem with the idea is that it is wrong. In 1963, Kennedy signed the bill that eliminated silver certificates. The fact that he later issued an executive order directing the Treasury to issue them is misunderstood - it was only a temporary administrative provision in force until such time as the law that HE signed took effect. Silver backed currency was eliminated with Kennedy's agreement.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83892710478508043682013-11-18T00:40:02.262-08:002013-11-18T00:40:02.262-08:00I have always been amazed how little attention Osw...I have always been amazed how little attention Oswald's Soviet connections get. I think I was in my late teens before I even saw this mentioned anywhere. A former defector to the USSR with a Soviet wife kills Kennedy? That seems a pretty obvious explanation in retrospect, especially given the amazing number of other assasinations the Soviets carried out between the 1920s and 1960s. The US seems to have suffered a collective blindness on both the right and left. Any explanation other than the obvious one - the Soviets killed Kennedy - will do.Peter the Sharknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13967582694188289402013-11-17T22:36:51.460-08:002013-11-17T22:36:51.460-08:00i'm with posner's case closed. ozzy did i...i'm with posner's case closed. ozzy did it.gubblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77264799823332003742013-11-17T21:11:35.254-08:002013-11-17T21:11:35.254-08:00Not right. Not left. Joint effort. "Me and Le...Not right. Not left. Joint effort. "Me and Lee", by Judyth Vary Baker, fills in the New Orleans deatails. 60 Minutes spent more time investigating her story than any other, and I don't think it was just caution that kept them from airing it. The series The Men Who Killed Kennedy, featured her story in 2003. The History Channel was threatend and has not aired it since, though the whole thing is on YouTube. <br />Hardly know where to begin, except that I know blogs like this are monitored by persons paid to promote the government line (for lack of a better term.)Stone was right, a coup d'etat occurred 11/22/63, and the ideological and even biological descendants are still in power. Every president since has been a puppet who would not dare to have the Treasury Dept. print money, without involvement of the Federal Reserve (as JFK did shortly before his death; just one more nail in his coffin). In fact, the massive amount of literature by impeccable sources is so overwhelming that I can only assume the commenters here who parrot the government line: LHO Alone Gunman, are either, a: totally ignorant of the research, and uninterested anyway; or, b: paid trolls.<br /><br />Reading some of these comments is like reading that electricity and telephones and batteries were invented by George Washington Carver's relatives, because the President says so. You all believe that and not some crazy conspiracy about Tesla, Edison, and JP Morgan.<br /><br />I don't know if things would have been any better if JFK had lived. Probably not. But I do believe he was one of the very few world class politician who was not a total psycho. He had an expression sometimes that seemed to indicate he was shocked--shocked--at what he realized he was dealing with. He may have been over-sexed, but he kept Dr. Strangelove/Lemznitzer from carrying out Northwoods (google that), and actually wept at the thought of being the cause of WWIII. Why do they say he was unemotional? I can't imagine sincere tears from any other pol except maybe -- big maybe -- Reagan.<br /> btw, JFK banned Henry Kissinger from the WH, calling him "insane." That alone is cause for glory.<br /><br />what does it take?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38908986884145526432013-11-17T20:55:51.879-08:002013-11-17T20:55:51.879-08:00My father graduated from the NYC Police Academy in...My father graduated from the NYC Police Academy in 1961 and Kennedy was a guest at the graduation. My father has a photo of Kennedy in a bubble car! I looked up the story in the NY Times archive and they seemed to think the fact that a woman was valedictorian was a bigger deal. So, the President goes to a police event in a bubble car, and then goes to Dallas in a convertible, strange no?Edo Lasaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36647437917594787522013-11-17T20:32:30.928-08:002013-11-17T20:32:30.928-08:00http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/11/nyt-dallass-rol...http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/11/nyt-dallass-role-in-kennedys-murder.html<br />Rohan Swee<br />I'm sensing a real Bulwer-Lytton prize contender here...<br />+1 First funny thing I've read today. THANXathEIstnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34427246408922877742013-11-17T20:17:50.217-08:002013-11-17T20:17:50.217-08:00"J.J. Angleton said...
No credible evidence,..."J.J. Angleton said...<br /><br />No credible evidence, and I MEAN NONE, can tie Oswald to any of those shootings. None of your other commentators know anything. (NOVA computerized re-creations are evidence? What a joke!)"<br /><br />As opposed to what? The "evidence" put forth by hucksters like Jim Marrs, Jim Garrison, and Olviver Stone?Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57814490188739653062013-11-17T18:40:02.798-08:002013-11-17T18:40:02.798-08:00explain to me how "collective culpability&quo...<i> explain to me how "collective culpability" can be the, or even a, causal factor behind the creation of shiny contemporary Dallas. </i><br /><br />The impression I got during my three years in Dallas is that they weren't buying the collective culpability line one bit. I guess defiance = denial to some people.carolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14320507390597920062013-11-17T18:16:32.863-08:002013-11-17T18:16:32.863-08:00Can anyone find an authoritative source for the NY...Can anyone find an authoritative source for the NYT prose-style parody that was circulated in the 1980s?:<br /><br />DALLAS, Nov. 22—Elvira Brown's aging face seems almost to be a map of the parched, weatherbeaten Texas countryside that has been her home for 83 years. Through the eyes that squint in the harsh sunlight, she has seen Dallas grow from a tiny cowtown into a midland capital. The street outside of her tiny house used to be nothing more than a dust trail in summer and a mudhole in winter.<br /><br />Years ago, she would sit on this porch and watch cattle drives pass. Today, a procession of quite a different sort passed along the now-paved course. It was a motorcade. It flew by at top speed on its way to Parkland Memorial Hospital. Top speed, because, it seems, the President of the United States was inside. And he was dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53448652453504397122013-11-17T17:22:02.080-08:002013-11-17T17:22:02.080-08:00Steve,
Anonymous 4:27 pm is exactly what I meant ...Steve,<br /><br />Anonymous 4:27 pm is exactly what I meant when I wrote that NONE of your commentators know anything.<br /><br />Just to take the first two witnesses to the J.D. Tippit shooting he cited, Helen Markham and Domingo Benevides:<br /><br />Here is the verbatim transcript from the Warren Commission hearings for Helen Markham as to who she identified in a police line-up on Friday. The WC attorney, Joseph Ball, is trying to get her to say the guy in the line-up was Tippit's killer:<br /><br />Ball: Now, when you went into the room you looked these people over, these four men?<br /><br />Markham: Yes, sir.<br /><br />Ball:Did you recognize anyone in the line-up?<br /><br />Markham: No, sir.<br /><br />Ball: You did not? Did you see anybody - I have asked you that question before - did you recognize anybody from their face?<br /><br />Markham: From their face, no.<br /><br />Ball: Did you identify anybody in these four people?<br /><br />Markham: I didn't know nobody . . .I had never seen none of them, none of these men.<br /><br />Ball: No one of these men?<br /><br />Markham: No one of them.<br /><br />Ball: No one of them?<br /><br />Markham: No, sir.<br /><br />Ball: Was there a number two man in there?<br /><br />Markham: Number two is the one I picked. Number two is the one I saw shoot the policeman. I looked at him. When I saw this man, I WASN'T SURE, but I had cold chills run all over me . . .<br /><br /><br />Reading these repeated, leading, improper questions of a befuddled witness by an experienced attorney would have been tossed in any court proceeding had Oswald actually lived to see a trial. He did not live. He was murdered in the arms of the police less than 48 hours after the President was murdered.<br /><br />Nonetheless, the WC said Markham's testimony had "probative" value. <br /><br />For the rest of us, realizing that the entired WC case rests on such crappy evidence gives the rest of "cold chills". <br /><br />Domingo Benevides TOLD THE DPD THAT HE COULD NOT IDENTIFY OSWALD AS TIPPIT'S KILLER. When he testified before the Warren Commission, he told the Commission he COULD NOT IDENTIFY OSWALD - even after Oswald's picture (which was world-famous by that point) was shown to him in court! The WC did not use him in their argument! How, then, can the Anonymous 4:27 above write anything unless he is completely ignorant?<br /><br />To re-cap. The comment at 4:27 was completely and hopelessly wrong!<br /><br />I could go on and destroy anyone's argument that Oswald shot anyone. Even you, Steve. I like what you have to write. But if you persist in spreading the lone-nut baloney, I will take you on. Anytime, anywhere. I will wreck you. Don't ruin your reputation with your faithful readers, including me, and lose a public debate on the assassination because you backed the wrong side. <br /><br /><br /><br />You're too smart to accept the mainstream propaganda. I hope.<br /><br />J.J. Angletonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24521676627687828092013-11-17T16:41:40.798-08:002013-11-17T16:41:40.798-08:00We are so much more humane today.
Texas won't...We are so much more humane today. <br />Texas won't mourn but at least Hillary cackled about the lynching death of Gaddafi. Lovely. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17112960423223790992013-11-17T16:40:27.584-08:002013-11-17T16:40:27.584-08:00Who killed the Kennedies? I thought it was you and...Who killed the Kennedies? I thought it was you and me. <br /><br />Btw, has a certain tribe ever comes to terms with its hand in the killing of the Russian Tsar? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com