tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1313284473746109908..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Captain GrimesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41955440804436015492014-03-20T07:39:15.796-07:002014-03-20T07:39:15.796-07:00Evelyn Waugh went to a second-rate public school b...Evelyn Waugh went to a second-rate public school because his older brother Alec was expelled from the family's good public school (Sherborne)for a homosexual incident, and then wrote a book about it and caused even more scandal. Evelyn was extremely bitter his whole life about his brother doing him in like this.Dick Moncurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74303975896047608042014-03-18T15:56:11.736-07:002014-03-18T15:56:11.736-07:00dearieme said: I'd no more assume that all pub...dearieme said: I'd no more assume that all public schoolboys used to bugger their juniors than that all Americans are noisy, vacuous materialists who rate other people only by their wealth.<br /><br />Hunsdon said: Oh then most (but not all!) public schoolboys really do bugger their juniors.Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87037519055365255792014-03-18T14:47:21.918-07:002014-03-18T14:47:21.918-07:00Of related interest: http://www.buzzfeed.com/lest...Of related interest: http://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/sec-kerry-us-to-send-scientists-to-discuss-homosexuality-witAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58243618710704177302014-03-18T12:38:50.545-07:002014-03-18T12:38:50.545-07:00Can someone please enlighten me? How does this go ...<i>Can someone please enlighten me? How does this go on for so long without complaints? Didn't some boys' mothers get upset about it? Their fathers?</i><br /><br />If their interest in their children were something other than pro forma, those youngsters would not be in boarding schools. <br />Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34840185653167927682014-03-18T10:47:00.964-07:002014-03-18T10:47:00.964-07:00"I'd no more assume that all public schoo..."I'd no more assume that all public schoolboys used to bugger their juniors than that all Americans are noisy, vacuous materialists who rate other people only by their wealth."<br /><br />If, as a commenter, one frequently asserts that most Americans are noisy, vacuous materialists who rate other people only by their wealth, should one then assert that most public schoolboys used to bugger their juniors?Black Seahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16347464061061628147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7658342796695801002014-03-18T08:36:45.706-07:002014-03-18T08:36:45.706-07:00dearime:" I don't know because I didn'...dearime:" I don't know because I didn't attend such a school."<br /><br />Yes, we know; your noisy attestations to your purity have been duly noted.<br /><br />dearieme:" I do know that public school literary types sometimes seem to talk of little else. I also know that friends who attended such schools remark on the matter much less (though more often than people from day schools, I think). And that's about the size of my knowledge of the problem - skimpy, you might say."<br /><br />Again, your protestations have been noted.<br /><br />dearieme:" A gay friend told me once that "I wasn't the type" to appeal to gays."<br /><br />Not sure if one should take that as boasting....I suppose that it rather depends on how "gay appeal" is defined...<br /><br /><br />dearieme:" So it's no surprise that I can't judge the issue by categorising the males who have ever made a pass at me; none ever has. Now, if I'd been a cowboy,"<br /><br />MMMM, bit of a fixation on the Open Range, I should say...<br /><br />dearieme:" or had gone to sea, perhaps that would have been different."<br /><br />Wasn't it Churchill who defined life in the Royal Navy as consisting of "rum, sodomy, and the lash"? <br /><br />dearieme:"I suspect that the "They're all a bunch of poofs" line is about as accurate as the feminists' "All men are rapists"."<br /><br />Clearly. <br /><br />Dearieme:"I'd no more assume that all public schoolboys used to bugger their juniors than that all Americans are noisy, vacuous materialists who rate other people only by their wealth. Even if Tom Stoppard once had a character imply as much."<br /><br />A Briton's wounded amour propre, it's never a pretty sight.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18072154335914566952014-03-18T08:25:40.438-07:002014-03-18T08:25:40.438-07:00dearieme:" I can think of one male teacher wh...dearieme:" I can think of one male teacher who perhaps too often put an arm round a girl's shoulder, but that was the extent of the problem. Since we all knew, or at least believed, that he had been a hero of the French Resistance, no fuss was going to be made about it."<br /><br />A girl and not a boy, eh? Well, he was a Frenchman (cf Clarke's observations on one of the essential distinctions between England and France).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41219795870239754202014-03-18T06:46:22.061-07:002014-03-18T06:46:22.061-07:00Steve Sailor writes:
My guess is that it's ...Steve Sailor writes:<br /><br /><i> <br />My guess is that it's somehow related to whether the schools most idolize the Greeks or the Romans. </i> <br /><br />Robert Graves' excellent public school and WWI memoir <b><i> Goodbye to All That </i></b> states the following:<br /><br /><i> "In English preparatory and public schools romance is necessarily homosexual. The opposite sex is despised and treated as something obscene. Many boys never recover from this perversion. For every one born homosexual, at least ten permanent pseudo-homosexuals are made by the public school system: nine of these ten as honourably chaste and sentimental as I was....<br /><br />in my fourth year I fell in love with a boy three years younger than myself...<br /><br />Finally the headmaster took me to task for it. I lectured him loftily on the advantage of friendship between elder and younger boys, <b> citing Plato, the Greek poets... </b><br /><br />He let me go without taking any action. </i><br /><br />In contrast, in my working class state school suspected homosexuals were bullied remorselessly. <br /><br />We had a Turkish Cypriot in our year, but I doubt anyone knew anything about Greece or Greeks - this being in the early seventies before package holidays to places like Corfu were cheap enough for the likes of us.Working Class Englishmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83789803832100961582014-03-18T06:38:06.212-07:002014-03-18T06:38:06.212-07:00dearieme:"Since I didn't attend That Sort...dearieme:"Since I didn't attend That Sort of school, my defensiveness is pretty limited."<br /><br />Then why bother responding?<br /><br />dearieme:" But I do snort with derision at wimpiness about corporal punishment. And wimpiness about pointed fingers."<br /><br />Le vice anglais.....<br /><br />dearieme:"Moreover, the (rather prurient) interest here isn't directed at what I always assumed was the worst aspect of boarding schools, namely the extent that the boys were subject to the bullying and/or authority of other boys."<br /><br />You do know that a goodly portion of that bullying involved buggery, don't you?<br /><br />dearieme:" A few groping pederasts may well have mattered less"<br /><br />Difficult to say. Perhaps we should do a poll. Which is worse, sexual molestation from a pederast-teacher or bullying from boys your own age?<br /><br /><br />dearieme:" - I don't know. I suppose those who've served in the military or navy are exposed to the same sorts of problems. They get over them, I assume."<br /><br />Of course they do. And a thirteen year old boy being buggered by his 50 year old teacher is just like a fully grown man in the army being molested by an officer.... <br /><br /> dearieme:"Ditto any men whose civilian job denies them female company for long stretches of time. I dare say that the old Texas cowhands buggered each other from time to time. C'est la vie."<br /><br />Well, now we are truly straying from the line of argument, aren't we? Somehow, I don't think that two consenting adults responding to an enforced lack of female companionship is overly analogous to a 13 year old boy alone in a room with an adult pederast....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25485200585350537932014-03-18T06:36:22.867-07:002014-03-18T06:36:22.867-07:00"Oh dearieme, you do try too hard. You know t..."Oh dearieme, you do try too hard. You know that homosexuality was and is rife in the British public schools." I don't know because I didn't attend such a school. I do know that public school literary types sometimes seem to talk of little else. I also know that friends who attended such schools remark on the matter much less (though more often than people from day schools, I think). And that's about the size of my knowledge of the problem - skimpy, you might say. A gay friend told me once that "I wasn't the type" to appeal to gays. So it's no surprise that I can't judge the issue by categorising the males who have ever made a pass at me; none ever has. Now, if I'd been a cowboy, or had gone to sea, perhaps that would have been different. <br /><br />I suspect that the "They're all a bunch of poofs" line is about as accurate as the feminists' "All men are rapists".<br /><br />I'd no more assume that all public schoolboys used to bugger their juniors than that all Americans are noisy, vacuous materialists who rate other people only by their wealth. Even if Tom Stoppard once had a character imply as much.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25097106254094621062014-03-18T04:18:09.392-07:002014-03-18T04:18:09.392-07:00Captain Grimes, meet Viscount Slim, "the fine...Captain Grimes, meet Viscount Slim, "the finest general of WWII"<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10696544/Britains-finest-WWII-general-accused-of-child-sex-abuse-in-Australia.html<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16091028758642026342014-03-17T22:14:01.798-07:002014-03-17T22:14:01.798-07:00In "Brideshead Revisited," a worldly Ita...In "Brideshead Revisited," a worldly Italian lady points out that it seems to be a British and German thing, not an Italian thing.<br /><br />My guess is that it's somehow related to whether the schools most idolize the Greeks or the Romans. <br />Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19449086508537724162014-03-17T21:34:54.757-07:002014-03-17T21:34:54.757-07:00Honest to goodness, Grimes's homosexuality wen...Honest to goodness, Grimes's homosexuality went over my head when I first read Decline and Fall a few years ago. When Grimes referred to his recurring sexual problems, I thought he was meant he was always getting girls into trouble, as they used to say. I guess I really am an innocent.<br /><br />Does this go on American boarding schools? It certainly seems to be not as institutionalized. We can't credit the Puritans, because such schools, although mostly located in New England, are usually Episcopalian (just like their British counterparts).<br /><br /><br />James K.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44683216950717782972014-03-17T21:06:27.590-07:002014-03-17T21:06:27.590-07:00"Can someone please enlighten me? How does th..."Can someone please enlighten me? How does this go on for so long without complaints? Didn't some boys' mothers get upset about it? Their fathers?"<br /><br />I think there were complaints but not to the police so the teachers involved just got moved on to another school a bit like priests were moved on to another diocese.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47102801660738712612014-03-17T20:50:10.069-07:002014-03-17T20:50:10.069-07:00Hunsdon said...
Pink Floyd says Hey, teacher, leav...Hunsdon said...<br />Pink Floyd says Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone.<br /><br /> I think this is about thought control.<br /><br />"We don't want no education, we don't want no thought control. Hey teacher leave those kids alone."<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61800897638159327882014-03-17T20:24:14.628-07:002014-03-17T20:24:14.628-07:00Can someone please enlighten me? How does this go ...Can someone please enlighten me? How does this go on for so long without complaints? Didn't some boys' mothers get upset about it? Their fathers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43217482276800767232014-03-17T19:52:39.580-07:002014-03-17T19:52:39.580-07:00The British crime author Derek Raymond once remark...The British crime author Derek Raymond once remarked that Eton was a, "hotbed of buggery."<br /><br />Also, consider this insert from The Old School Tie, a history of the British public school.<br /><br />http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp49orQgfY1qzm2wmo1_1280.jpgpopper stomperhttp://popfop.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46812630601917440612014-03-17T19:51:06.188-07:002014-03-17T19:51:06.188-07:00" I dare say that the old Texas cowhands bugg..." I dare say that the old Texas cowhands buggered each other from time to time. C'est la vie."<br /><br />Oh dearieme, you do try too hard. You know that homosexuality was and is rife in the British public schools. It's probably less so now than in the past, but still rife.<br /><br />The British upper classes had institutionalized pederasty from the time of Ruskin to WWII. But it's still pretty prevalent and in certain schools, a given. <br /><br />A better source on this subject is Simon Raven. Typical Englishman of his generation, a misogynist & homosexual. They went hand in hand. No fabulous friend of the girls he. He loathed women. That's why he was gay.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Raven<br /><br />When you read about Raven's generation of Englishmen, the homosexuality becomes so commonplace it's like reading about a ballet company, except the English fags were macho. Here is a memoir of Raven's miserable younger brother, Myles:<br /><br />http://www.rupertwilloughby.co.uk/archives/796<br /><br />Also homosexual. Is this genetic? I doubt it. <br /><br />I suspect that there's a lot of dirt on the whole class, which is why Cameron is so gay rights. He's being blackmailed. Most upper class Tories had pederastic relations and they can be blackmailed.<br /><br />I suspect the same is true of the US political class as well but not so much homosexuality, more like, general corruption.SortofanAnglophilenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23813805226380649722014-03-17T19:28:28.261-07:002014-03-17T19:28:28.261-07:00I dare say that the old Texas cowhands buggered ea...<i>I dare say that the old Texas cowhands buggered each other from time to time.</i><br /><br />I think you've seen <i>Brokeback Mountain</i> too many times.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34144057018549425802014-03-17T19:18:56.857-07:002014-03-17T19:18:56.857-07:00"Was he not a descendant of William the Conqu..."Was he not a descendant of William the Conqueror? Did he not have French possessions and pretend to the French throne in consequence of his Norman descent?"<br /><br />0 for 2 Tony Gwynn you ain't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-741893826443121762014-03-17T18:06:59.914-07:002014-03-17T18:06:59.914-07:00""descendants of Edward III": possi...""descendants of Edward III": possibly, but he wasn't Norman." <br /><br />Was he not a descendant of William the Conqueror? Did he not have French possessions and pretend to the French throne in consequence of his Norman descent?Crawfurdmuirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80330453223026490882014-03-17T17:09:39.455-07:002014-03-17T17:09:39.455-07:00"Feeling defensive, are we?" Since I di..."Feeling defensive, are we?" Since I didn't attend That Sort of school, my defensiveness is pretty limited. But I do snort with derision at wimpiness about corporal punishment. And wimpiness about pointed fingers.<br /><br />Moreover, the (rather prurient) interest here isn't directed at what I always assumed was the worst aspect of boarding schools, namely the extent that the boys were subject to the bullying and/or authority of other boys. A few groping pederasts may well have mattered less - I don't know. I suppose those who've served in the military or navy are exposed to the same sorts of problems. They get over them, I assume. Ditto any men whose civilian job denies them female company for long stretches of time. I dare say that the old Texas cowhands buggered each other from time to time. C'est la vie.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85802753136805847812014-03-17T17:06:38.007-07:002014-03-17T17:06:38.007-07:00"an amiable pederast"
Now there's a..."an amiable pederast"<br /><br />Now there's a phrase that you don't see everyday of the week!Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68876575777669259592014-03-17T16:59:55.405-07:002014-03-17T16:59:55.405-07:00"descendants of Edward III": possibly, b..."descendants of Edward III": possibly, but he wasn't Norman.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91208552511269420922014-03-17T16:42:26.065-07:002014-03-17T16:42:26.065-07:00Anonymous wrote: "Of course you'd be wron...Anonymous wrote: "Of course you'd be wrong. Very little of the Norman elite left in the elites of England."<br /><br />Not so - practically the whole of the British nobility and gentry are descendants of Edward III, or if not they connect into the royal lineage at a more remote generation. <br /><br />Male lines may have died off, but the descent persists through the female line. This is true even in the case of royalty. Crawfurdmuirnoreply@blogger.com