tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post132213916713831226..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: J.Q. Wilson on S. PinkerUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger150125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3222625634217014822011-10-06T11:59:14.495-07:002011-10-06T11:59:14.495-07:00The sense of "two intelligences" within ...The sense of "two intelligences" within one person is sometimes seen in correlation between low verbal IQ on tests like vocabulary, abstract verbal analogies, etc, and high performance IQ on tests like block design, seeing what's missing in pictures, etc. It is not uncommon to find florid psychopaths having this sort of bifurcation. They can do all manner of things well but lack understanding of the "why" and "when" and "where" of it all. Of course, a bubble world like the U.S. Congress seems at times almost shaped to provide a utopia for such "survivors".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25178392803607156452011-10-05T16:17:17.487-07:002011-10-05T16:17:17.487-07:00John Lennon was a genius, in music. In intellectua...<i>John Lennon was a genius, in music. In intellectual terms, he failed all his O-levels and needed some strings pulled to get into art school. Once there, he flunked some more exams and was finally expelled.</i><br /><br /><br />I don't know what John lennon's IQ was, but the reason IQ tests don't measure musical aptitude, is because musical aptitude contributes very little to ones cognitive ability to adapt, which is why most parents want their kids to be a doctor or a lawyer and not to join a band. Parents know that the odds of adapting to the environment are much greater if you make use of more g loaded talents. Even the most successful music stars like john Lennon, Elvis and Michael Jackson often die very young showing that their ability to adapt their environment to their advantage is short-lived. <br /><br /><br />It's not possible on an IQ test to measure all of intelligence, so you simply sample the most representative chunks of the brain like verbal and spatial ability. Analagously, if you were sampling world opinion, there's no time to sample every country, so you would sample the largest most representative countries like India and china.Catpersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43825472537588771712011-10-05T15:53:57.695-07:002011-10-05T15:53:57.695-07:00None of those things are measured very well by IQ ...<i>None of those things are measured very well by IQ tests. Two of them - musical skills and the ability to "figure out away{sic} to use those talents to your advantage" - are not measured at all by IQ tests.</i><br /><br />The cognitive ability to adapt your environment to your advantage is indeed measured by IQ tests. Notice how the lowest IQraces never developed agriculture or domestication of animals; that's a classic example of adapting your environment to your advantage. And look at the adaptability of the highest IQ race of all: Ashkenazi Jews. Their adaptability is seen by the fact that despite having an extremely tiny and resented global population, they control vast sums of wealth and influence, and have brilliantly manipulated the world's only super power into fighting all their battles in the middle east(I.e. Iraq). look at how pygmies are slaves to higher IQ bantus who were slaves to higher IQ caucasoids. Being able to use objects (stone weapons), plants (agriculture) people (slaves) or event countries (israel's influence over US foreign policy) as a tool to your advantage is that ultimate evolutionary adaptation and the essence of intelligence.Catpersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41106299177108918152011-10-05T15:35:20.919-07:002011-10-05T15:35:20.919-07:00*Folks adapt much much better if they get where th...<i>*Folks adapt much much better if they get where they belong and stay away from where they don't belong--and a lot of that navigation has to do with emotions, physical appearance, social class conditioning</i><br /><br />Well if you have inferior emotions, inferior looks, and inferior social class, then you need far more intelligence to adapt your environment to your advantage. That's why an ugly low class emotionally impaired man like Nixon needed an IQ of 143 to get to the top while a good looking, high class emotionally gifted man like Kennedy needed only an IQ of 119 to get to the top. Kennedy did not need to be as cognitively adaptable because he was already socially, physically and temperamentally adapted to his environment. Nixon was not so Nixon had a more challenging problem to solve and thus needed more cognitive adaptability.Catpersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61234306999109901702011-10-05T13:40:27.177-07:002011-10-05T13:40:27.177-07:00"There is only one intelligence..the ability ..."There is only one intelligence..the ability to adapt" <br />********************************'<br />(1) Folks adapt much much better if they get where they belong and stay away from where they don't belong--and a lot of that navigation has to do with emotions, physical appearance, social class conditioning<br />(2)What we know about "g" is from group averages. Heritability level of , say, 80% of variance being (crudely stated) Nature rather than Nurture---is a group average that does not belie that some people may be far more nearly "Blank Slate" than others.<br />(3) Hart Crane and Erskine Caldwell are two fine examples of people with only above average IQs who had outstanding splinter abilities and created art of enduring value--Crane perhaps moreso than Erskine Caldwell (?)<br />Crane may be a very rare example of someone whose mental disorders directly aided his poetry, while almost always disorders that are active rather than latent, detract from about every human endeavor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81274883347300183252011-10-05T13:33:03.865-07:002011-10-05T13:33:03.865-07:00"I keep hearing about the tremendous verbal I..."I keep hearing about the tremendous verbal IQ of Jews"<br />*************************************<br />In psychometrics and psychology generally overwhelming evidence buttresses the social assessment about Jews--as a whole, they are a helluva bright people. Their overall average group IQ in America is in harmony with the very disproportionate successes they have in the arts, in science, in business, etc.<br /><br />Part of our American "whisper" world is that overall the Jewish group disparity between Verbal IQ and Performance IQ is quite pronounced. The anti-Semitic flavored quip that the world of lawyers (in the US, anyhow) is one of "Jewish engineering" is an insensitive and regrettable encapsulation of a larger and more complex truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56379213196888018892011-10-05T09:17:46.131-07:002011-10-05T09:17:46.131-07:00Mental testing is a domain that always should have...Mental testing is a domain that always should have had , in the interest of American national security, a large public/government sector to complement and support the purely free enterprise functions of major American test publishers. For example, the subtests that make up individually administered IQ tests can usefully be compared for ipsative measurement--i.e, showing the examinee's strengths and weaknesses relavant to an overall IQ score range. But to do this with testing "safety engineering" against misunderstanding and voodoo conjectures, would require expectancy tables for determning subtest variation (where it actually exists ). The standardization population ( that costs publishers about $100 per capita! ) would have to be 10 times larger than what is conventionally used. Bankers don't like stuff like that. Scientists do. The same issue pertains to bringing into widespred use of choice reaction measurement, Inspection Time measurement, sociometric measurement merged with mental testing, etc. The British, with meagre public resources during post WW II, nonetheless did this for a while and at the encouragement of Sir Cyril Burt.<br />It has nothing to do with any place on the political spectrum, but with having genuine leadership in a nation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48316751894124197782011-10-05T09:06:57.894-07:002011-10-05T09:06:57.894-07:00The use of a specific IQ scores--a kind of spuriou...The use of a specific IQ scores--a kind of spurious wrist watch precision to measurement system that approaches sundial crudity--in rare instances can be off the mark completely. The late Hans Eysenck, arguably the greatest psychologist of the 20th century, personally observed and interacted with a reliably measured borderline male retardate who ran a real estate sales business that yielded a respectable and honest income and who interacted with customers in a way that was productive. Eysenck detected some partial explanations for the guy's success--e.g., his bright and faithful wife worked quietly (in UK fashion) beside him, etc. Yet the final verdict was that an explanation remained cloaked in Nature's mysteries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51406031187813342182011-10-05T08:59:11.943-07:002011-10-05T08:59:11.943-07:00The capacity to adapt is heavily dependent basical...The capacity to adapt is heavily dependent basically on emotional and character qualities and physical health and physical strength, etc. The best selection program using tests and assessments would be to assess people from the ears on down and THEN discriminate on the basis of<br />general mental ability. Response contingent testing, while presenting challenges to the determination of testing reliability, would be ideal for this sort of testing/assessment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22013781437180850002011-10-04T13:56:25.391-07:002011-10-04T13:56:25.391-07:00there is only one intelligence:the mental ability ...<i>there is only one intelligence:the mental ability to adapt. You can have the verbal skills of shakespeare, the math skills of newton and the musical skills of Mozart and none of it means you are intelligent unless you can figure out away to use those talents to your advantage.</i> <br /><br /><br />None of those things are measured very well by IQ tests. Two of them - musical skills and the ability to "figure out away{sic} to use those talents to your advantage" - are not measured <i>at all</i> by IQ tests.<br /><br />Don't worry, I'll keep pointing this out until it gets through to you.Qhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07558322957414189512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8559562391937181882011-10-04T13:37:10.912-07:002011-10-04T13:37:10.912-07:00IQ tests are just a sample of your intelligence, s...<i>IQ tests are just a sample of your intelligence, so if you are good at the abilities measured on IQ tests, you will also tend to be good at the abilities not measured like social cognition, musical aptitude, artistic talents etc.</i> <br /><br />That's patently untrue. At least, it's patently untrue in real life. You seem to live in your own little theoretical world where real life rarely intrudes.<br /><br />John Lennon was a genius, in music. In intellectual terms, he failed <i>all</i> his O-levels and needed some strings pulled to get into art school. Once there, he flunked some more exams and was finally expelled.<br /><br />This is not an uncommon background among notable musicians. Brian May, who has a doctrate in astrophysics, is very much the exception to the rule in the musical world.Qhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07558322957414189512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32110252227850437472011-10-04T13:36:31.377-07:002011-10-04T13:36:31.377-07:00Anonymous at 10/3/11 2:38 PM:
You need to comment...Anonymous at 10/3/11 2:38 PM:<br /><br />You need to comment more.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36129893724942361752011-10-04T13:24:44.933-07:002011-10-04T13:24:44.933-07:00No, that is one kind of intelligence. There are ot...<i>No, that is one kind of intelligence. There are others.</i><br /><br />No, there is only one intelligence:the mental ability to adapt. You can have the verbal skills of shakespeare, the math skills of newton and the musical skills of Mozart and none of it means you are intelligent unless you can figure out away to use those talents to your advantage. Intelligence is the mental capacity for goal directed adaptive behavior. The ability to take whatever problem you have and figure out away to solve it. <br /><br />There are many different parts of intelligence, many different intellectual abilities, but only behavioral adaptations are the essence of intelligence.Catpersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48880787501773373382011-10-04T13:18:29.956-07:002011-10-04T13:18:29.956-07:0010/04/11 11:19
Jews in the US have a remarkably h...10/04/11 11:19<br />Jews in the US have a remarkably high average IQ level that is congruent with the huge overrepresentation of them in attainments in major domains of science and the arts. A "whispered" feature of Jewish IQ<br />testing is the remarkable gap within the Jewish population of high verbal IQ and relatively low performance IQ. The insensitive and socailly impermissible reference (as in some Departments of Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, etc. ) to Jews as "verbal engineers" does reflect an underlying reality that if more adquately ackowledged would take the voltage out of cocktail slanders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86058769365144792422011-10-04T11:19:58.591-07:002011-10-04T11:19:58.591-07:00high IQ Jews dominate average IQ whites who enslav...<i>high IQ Jews dominate average IQ whites who enslaved low IQ west Africans who enslaved very low IQ pygmies. Intelligence is the most empowering trait, that's why it's increased so much through the course of evolution.</i> <br /><br /><br />It's news to me that "high IQ Jews dominate average IQ whites", and it's interesting that you do not mention Asians at all in your domination pyramid. Of course, "average IQ whites" have dominated the world - including Asians and Jews - for the past several hundred years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32023739986928446852011-10-04T08:26:15.295-07:002011-10-04T08:26:15.295-07:00"... intelligence is the mental ability to ad...<i>"... intelligence is the mental ability to adapt, to problem solve, to use the environment to your advantage; so smart people should end up on top."</i><br /><br />No, that is one kind of intelligence. There are others.<br /><br />You are starting from a false premise. No surprise there, as your intelligent comments seem to depend less on your having a smart brain and more on the blind hogs and acorns principle of discovery.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67317423473463245842011-10-03T21:58:37.889-07:002011-10-03T21:58:37.889-07:00Post grads and high school dropouts probably both ...<i>Post grads and high school dropouts probably both vote democrat perhaps because both are dependent on the government.</i> <br /><br />No doubt. But your assertion was that liberalism was the natural home of intelligent people, unlike conservatism and its attraction to dumb people.<br /><br />So now that it has been pointed out to you that (1) people with post-grad degrees split their votes close to 50-50 and (2) the least intelligent people tend to vote liberal, I'm expecting you to say something intelligent for a change - something like "I was wrong".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3739995669493779612011-10-03T21:52:02.172-07:002011-10-03T21:52:02.172-07:00That is not true, at least unless you are talking ...<i>That is not true, at least unless you are talking about billionaires</i> <br /><br />That is who I'm talking about.<br /><br /><i>(for which there is not data I am aware of)</i> <br /><br />It's out there. Go to Open Secrets and have a look at the people who make million dollar donations. Do some digging into the political affiliations of Fortune 500 CEO's. It's always been the case that the richest Americans support the Democratic Party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22248008285268873822011-10-03T21:12:26.672-07:002011-10-03T21:12:26.672-07:00Post grads and high school dropouts probably both ...<i>Post grads and high school dropouts probably both vote democrat perhaps because both are dependent on the government. High school dropouts are on welfare and post grads work for government funded universities/research labs. </i><br /><br />Catperson, that remark, on the other hand, is clever.<br /><br />One thing that many "conservatives" don't realize is that private enterprise, outside the mil-industrial complex, is doing less and less R & D.<br /><br />Save the James Webb Space Telescope and the Senate Launch System!David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74742878432892597742011-10-03T21:05:05.948-07:002011-10-03T21:05:05.948-07:00High IQ people should get ahead in society because...<i>High IQ people should get ahead in society because they have high high IQs and not because they have high scores on iQ tests.</i><br /><br />I take it that you haven't scored too well on "iQ" tests.David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79524776074714929592011-10-03T21:02:10.900-07:002011-10-03T21:02:10.900-07:00Conservatives seem stupid because they seem to hav...<i> Conservatives seem stupid because they seem to have a lot of primitive personality traits ( tribalism, religiosity, lack of compassion, fear of change, intolerance, pro-war, pro-torture, pro-capital punishment, anti-intellectual)</i><br /><br />Young lady, I wonder if you are an actual college sophomore.<br /><br />Left liberals aren't tribal or intolerant of conservative opinion or afraid of change -- that is,change from the current cant?<br /><br />Pro-war? Are you confident that pacifism has Darwinian survival value? <br /><br />Pro capital punishment? Oh boo hoo hoo, the horror of it all.<br /><br />Was Issac Newton anti-intellectual? He was quite conservative politically, as well as being firmly Protestant.David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30189568425823702742011-10-03T20:13:52.214-07:002011-10-03T20:13:52.214-07:00Clarification - I heard of the University of Louis...Clarification - I heard of the University of Louisville; I meant I didn't know they had a law school.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32586879024652633952011-10-03T20:13:12.128-07:002011-10-03T20:13:12.128-07:00Since someone stuck up for Case Western Reserve, I...Since someone stuck up for Case Western Reserve, I might as well stick up for Providence College. which is at least as good as several of the other schools mentioned - maybe less so in the 1960s when Dodd went there. Dodd's J.D. is from the University of Louisville - no idea where that ranks - didn't even know it existed until I checked Wikipedia.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46783841775020292342011-10-03T19:58:25.155-07:002011-10-03T19:58:25.155-07:00Post grads and high school dropouts probably both ...Post grads and high school dropouts probably both vote democrat perhaps because both are dependent on the government. High school dropouts are on welfare and post grads work for government funded universities/research labs. Also post grads vote democrat because they are bitter that less educated people they look down on make more money than they do and are furiously hoping the government will raise the taxes of these rich philistines.Catpersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30779971964161340752011-10-03T19:52:06.888-07:002011-10-03T19:52:06.888-07:00This is a good reason to not rely on a single stan...<i>This is a good reason to not rely on a single standardized exam for college admissions, but instead many. </i><br /><br />We shouldn't rely on any exam for college admission, it should be based entirely on grades. High IQ people should get ahead in society because they have high high IQs and not because they have high scores on iQ tests.Catpersonnoreply@blogger.com