tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1699050515963757059..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Team Obama's Odd IneptnessUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30135131125363147012011-05-11T19:18:07.772-07:002011-05-11T19:18:07.772-07:00"Still, the most obvious comparison is to Bus..."Still, the most obvious comparison is to Bush, who was completely clueless, apparently, that OBL was living in Greater Islamabad from 2003 onward. By that standard Obama looks awfully good."<br /><br />I realize that you're just trying to be fair by ending on this note, but obviously Bush was only as clueless on this subject as the vast intelligence network that served him and now serves Obama. Unless you have evidence that Obama improved that network, it seems reasonable to believe that it was luck that the network finally figured things out on Obama's watch. Beyond minor details, Obama did nothing that any of his predecessors would't have done in the same situation.Ashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38001871394169505732011-05-11T03:20:31.191-07:002011-05-11T03:20:31.191-07:00The Blackhawk helicopters used have a maximum rang...The Blackhawk helicopters used have a maximum range of a bit over 300 miles (and substabntially less at high altitude as Abbotabad is. Therefore they could not have evacuated to the ocean but must have gone to Afghanistan. Therefore the story about burying the body at sea within a few hours cannot be truthful.<br /><br />It wasn't Obama. I believe he had been killed years ago at Tora Bora but was claimed to be alive because governments always like to have a bogey man to keep us obedient. With UAVs taking out most of the Taliban leadership and a Presidential election coming up the story that he was still alive was becoming threadbare & had to be ended.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48849167211057534682011-05-10T13:59:10.298-07:002011-05-10T13:59:10.298-07:00The body dumping in the ocean, was pre-planned as ...The body dumping in the ocean, was pre-planned as part of the mission (the transport and all). You are criticizing a choice that was made in a deliberate, planned manner for being responsive. But it wasn't. Maybe it was wrong (and maybe it wasn't). Really the decision to try for the kill and then dump the body asap may have been smart ways of staying ahead of embarraseing follow on problems. <br /><br />The briefings were poorly done, but then you just have to realize that for a guy like Rumsfeld who thinks of operations as a normal thing, that he has somefamiliarility with...that is just a different TV world to your typical never served Democrat like the President. And with the growing lack of military experience of the American public, it will less and less hurt him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79653550634701201572011-05-10T04:38:37.268-07:002011-05-10T04:38:37.268-07:00David Davenport said:... Actually I'm disappoi...David Davenport said:<i>... Actually I'm disappointed that they didn't take Bin Laden alive. Alive, Binny would have been very entertaining. He might have appealed to the Half Blood Prince for mercy, seeing BHO as a fellow Muhammedan.</i><br><br />Actually you should be glad they did not take him alive. Otherwise your faith in the integrity of the US Forces and the GWAT/AQ meme would have been shattered, since most probably it was not Binny that they found and killed, but just some higher AQ operative. Binny has been dead for years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjtNiTm99e8&feature=relatednosegoosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43658867430535027952011-05-09T19:34:31.632-07:002011-05-09T19:34:31.632-07:00A P.S. to my previous post: The planners of the Bi...A P.S. to my previous post: The planners of the Bin Laden raid probably planned to land a 4th helicopter after the shooting stopped, regardless of whether or not any of the first three helicopters were lost or disabled.<br /><br /> Why? The three modified Blackhawks probably had little payload capacity in reserve. The forth helo was probably neeeded to land forensic evidence specialists and to pick up Binny's body, as well as his computers, paper files, and so forth.<br /><br />News accounts in fact say that the fourth helicopter was a CH-47 or MH-47 Chinook -- not at all stealthy and with at least 3X the payload of an ordinary Blackhawk. So, no PLan B needed.<br /><br />... Actually I'm disappointed that they didn't take Bin Laden alive. Alive, Binny would have been very entertaining. He might have appealed to the Half Blood Prince for mercy, seeing BHO as a fellow Muhammedan.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41897454365958708722011-05-09T18:26:19.784-07:002011-05-09T18:26:19.784-07:00The SEALs were operating on Plan B after one of th...<i> The SEALs were operating on Plan B after one of the two choppers was disabled. The unanswered (and mostly unasked) question is: what was Plan A? </i><br /><br />The SEALS and the Army aircrew stuck with Plan A. They had no need for Plan B.<br /><br />One of the three modified H-60 Helicopters made a hard landing, but the helo came to rest in approximately the right spot and none of its passengers or aircrew were disabled. So they went ahead with Plan A. <br /><br />Several more Army helicopters with more SEALS/soldiers/commandos and some spare payload capacity followed the first three helicopters. There may have also been some Apache attack helicopters with this group. This second set was the back-up, reserve component. You could call this Plan B. If Plan A was revealed to need reinforcements, they were available. <br /><br />One of the reserve helicopters landed to pick up the fellows delivered by the disabled helicopter. No problem, except that our guys failed to destroy that helicopter's tail. <br /><br />There was probably also a number of fixed wing American warplanes and support aircraft aircraft in the air near the Afghan/Pak border and some Predator or Reaper unmanned air vehicles orbiting around Abbottabad during the mission. I suppose that the warplanes would have crossed the border if they had been needed. I dunno whether to call that Plan C or part of Plan B.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78114410738707575982011-05-09T14:16:28.337-07:002011-05-09T14:16:28.337-07:00niel:
Or if there's something else they wante...niel:<br /><br />Or if there's something else they wanted to hide on the body. That could be the dialysis shunt in his chest, the missing fingernails from where he'd been tortured for information, the transplanted kidney in his body, the single bullethole from above the skull on the front from when he was executed, the "Obama 2008" tattoo on his bicep, etc.<br /><br />It's also possible that Obama simply wanted to avoid a bruising political fight over a trial or a military tribunal, and so kept him on the hospital ship till the DNA test came back, then ordered him shot and tossed over the side. I don't suppose we'll ever know at this point.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51902736754107093792011-05-09T14:07:41.404-07:002011-05-09T14:07:41.404-07:00The SEALs were operating on Plan B after one of th...The SEALs were operating on Plan B after one of the two choppers was disabled. The unanswered (and mostly unasked) question is: what was Plan A?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4754353495928492982011-05-09T13:51:28.140-07:002011-05-09T13:51:28.140-07:00Actually that picture is NOT Obama watching the SE...Actually that picture is NOT Obama watching the SEAL mission;its Barry & Co. reading the latest iSteve blog! Who is the (relatively) pretty girl in the back? And look at Bill Daleys square mug;he sure doesnt have dads good looks. Sorry about the name,heh heh heh but you said get creative!The Spook Who Sat By The Doornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85414602736003123042011-05-09T13:20:18.883-07:002011-05-09T13:20:18.883-07:00I think Obama is still chasing the bus, trying to ...I think Obama is still chasing the bus, trying to become president rather than be president.<br /><br />What's bizarre is Obama looked more presidential on his European campaign trip than he has at any point since.<br /><br />I can see his national security team as an evenly divided Supreme Court with Obama like Sandra Day O'Connor the fifth vote.<br /><br />He's a consensus builder, but consensus shifts.OhioStaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35521886431259102882011-05-09T12:47:40.710-07:002011-05-09T12:47:40.710-07:00Len said...
"Maybe I'm thinking too much ...Len said...<br />"Maybe I'm thinking too much about all this, but doesn't it strike you that there's another possibility still? What about the possibility that Obama and Co are deliberately trying to stir up confusion and paranoia, just so that when they clear up the confusion by releasing the pictures, he can make the "conspiracy theorists" look like a bunch of dummies?"<br /><br /><br />I always thought the same about the birth certificate issue, that he obviously either had it or, failing that, certainly had the resources to come up with a viable fake, and there was no above board reason for not just putting the issue to rest. The whole idea must have been to spring it as close to the 2012 election as possible, thus discrediting the birther movement and, by extension, all other inquiries into a remarkably obscured past.<br /><br />Perhaps Trump forced his hand early. Perhaps the details and evidence of OBL's death are being deliberately obsured here to recreate another group that the Obamunists can focus ridicule on (deathers?) in order to keep hidden stories about Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Blogo, college trasncripts, who paid his tuition at Columbia and Harvard, who wrote his autobigraphy, Pakistani passports, you name it.<br /><br />I think these guys are very adept at adjusting the flows of information to steer public perception and play a longer view game than their hapless bad-haircut opponents. Having the majority of the media actively assisiting you doesn't hurt. The democratic party has shown a remarkable discipline when it comes to staying on message, and I would not put it past this adminstration to have put election consequences ahead of any national security considerations when deciding how to handle this matter.Rev. Righthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10165887113835960014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83452364945248192602011-05-09T12:34:55.279-07:002011-05-09T12:34:55.279-07:00Seems Obama was not the first to write myth-making...<a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/bamboozled-two-recent-biographies-shed-new-light-on-liberal-icons/" rel="nofollow">Seems Obama was not the first to write myth-making books</a>.<br /><br />Plenty of "liberal" heroes seem to be created from whole cloth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21921760656957101702011-05-09T11:22:20.672-07:002011-05-09T11:22:20.672-07:00Expect a Nov 2012 surprise from Hollywood.<a href="http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/05/vote-is-in-expect-early-november-2012.html" rel="nofollow">Expect a Nov 2012 surprise from Hollywood</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72762507289552754932011-05-09T09:03:07.943-07:002011-05-09T09:03:07.943-07:00"Nothing shameful about being on the golf cou...<i>"Nothing shameful about being on the golf course. in fact, a real man would have kept playing; taken a confirmation of the kill from a flunkey on a golf cart and then handed out large cigars among his playing group."</i><br /><br />Just goes to show how little I know about golf. I thought a real man would have waved away the flunky lest the dolt spoil his shot, taken a confirmation of the kill later back at the clubhouse, passed out cigars to his pals and then made sure the flunky was fired for potentially ruining his game.<br /><br />In any case, seeing Obama hunched down anxiously while real men did their jobs was priceless. Even Hillary looks more commanding, though he does look like he outranks the girl in the back.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45130849447877476182011-05-09T07:34:58.866-07:002011-05-09T07:34:58.866-07:00To get a sense of how far out of the loop Obama an...To get a sense of how far out of the loop Obama and his people were, just look at the operation name: Geronimo. Can you imagine anyone in Obama's administration giving it this name or not changing it if they knew about it? This has "Bush cowboy swagger" written all over it.Has to benoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16199851901079577562011-05-09T07:20:24.059-07:002011-05-09T07:20:24.059-07:00Steve's reason #3 was
3) [Team Obama has] gro...Steve's reason #3 was<br /><br />3) [Team Obama has] grown incredibly lazy and arrogant knowing the Pravda MSM will parrot their obvious lies and errors without question or comment...<br /><br />Today, the staff of NPR's news show "Morning Edition" effectively rebutted that notion. In a hard-hitting analysis segment, journalist Cokie Roberts reviewed the circumstances around the raid, and how the White House's handling of its aftermath is affecting public opinion.<br /><br />It turns out that Roberts and the show's anchor agree that Pres. Obama's actions have all been good. Super-fantastic, actually. In fact, there's really <i>no way</i> that any mortal could have improved upon his manly, decisive, adept, and compassionate performance. Now, it's simply up to the voters to do <i>their</i> job, and appreciate all of the excellence that the President has bestowed upon them.<br /><br />Oh well, Steve. There's still reasons 1, 2, 4, and 5 to consider.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82331094654078482992011-05-09T06:37:08.220-07:002011-05-09T06:37:08.220-07:00Dumping the body is only incompetent if it was him...Dumping the body is only incompetent if it was him. Otherwise it is the only thing to do.<br /><br />Most conspiracy theorists are saying that he is still alive. I think it more probable that he was killed years ago, probably at Tora Bora but the "war on terror" required him to be treated as still alive to have a war against. I personally think ot was a high ranking al Qyaeda leader providing liason with Pakistani intelligence but not OBL.<br /><br />Certainly everything the US has done since shooting whoever tends to support that belief.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8632540419869722712011-05-09T06:13:45.030-07:002011-05-09T06:13:45.030-07:00I watched the 60 Minutes interview of Obama last n...I watched the 60 Minutes interview of Obama last night because my father-in-law was visiting and wanted to see it. He's my proxy for Joe 6-Pack. The whole thing has played very well with him -- both the take-down (of course) and Obama's show of displeasure with Pakistan and explanation of the burial at sea.<br /><br />If this had happened a few months before Nov. 2012, it might have been enough to make my father-in-law vote for Obama. But as things are, I doubt it will make much of a difference by the time election day rolls around.Formerly.JP98https://www.blogger.com/profile/13106631196827299736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26454764400415897372011-05-09T05:10:23.376-07:002011-05-09T05:10:23.376-07:00My wife was an Obama fanatic during the last presi...My wife was an Obama fanatic during the last presidential election. I kept telling her that Obama was just a very articulate George Bush. The policies that Obama discussed during the election weren't much different than Bush's in foriegn policy, immigration, dealing with the banking crisis etc.. I think that she is finally starting to believe me!Dahindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43270978596513435312011-05-09T04:36:26.794-07:002011-05-09T04:36:26.794-07:00Kaotic Wes:
Or she's watching OBLs wife get s...Kaotic Wes:<br /><br />Or she's watching OBLs wife get shot. Or she's watching/listening to a showdown between Pakistani and US planes that could ignite a shooting war. Or she's just seen that it's really OBL and now figures we'll be at war with Pakistan soon. Or....<br /><br />The "analysis" of the photo in this thread would fit on a talking heads TV show. Its what people do when they need to fill air time and have nothing new to say.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89740031640800342822011-05-09T03:39:43.286-07:002011-05-09T03:39:43.286-07:00Tax Man: Most people do not realize how incompeten...<b>Tax Man:</b> <i>Most people do not realize how incompetent the government has become in recent years. I am a tax lawyer and have seen a dramatic decline in the ability of IRS employees to assess taxes. I am talking about a lack of understanding of basic tax concepts from agents who have been assigned complex cases. I have also experienced a breakdown in internal communication between different parts of the IRS... I can't even imagine how incompetent much of the rest of the government is that has no real mission, but some kind of collapse will probably take place soon than many think possible.</i> <br /><br />As things heat up for the 2012 election season, we haven't been talking about "big" topics as much here at iSteve [and sometimes Komment Kontrol frowns on the "big" posts], but, rest assured, pretty much all of us are aware of what the collapse in Causcasian [and Pacific Rim Asian] total fertility rates, back circa the eary 1970s, means for the future of civilization [if civilization even has a future - although the resolution of that question is largely up to us].Lucius Vorenusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46225026389062531632011-05-09T02:39:22.228-07:002011-05-09T02:39:22.228-07:00Nothing of concern in this photo. Obama and staff ...Nothing of concern in this photo. Obama and staff have walked into the room with the most up-to-date info on the situation. The general in the big chair is giving the presentation of sorts from his laptop, so it would be silly to have him move to a lesser seat. <br /><br />Of course it would be flashier if Obama would, say, land on an aircraft carrier in a helicopter, dressed in SEAL garb, then he could give a speech, maybe a big banner that says "Mission Accomplished" or something, oh... wait a minute...DanJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84876103524384652252011-05-09T02:12:27.223-07:002011-05-09T02:12:27.223-07:00The idea that BHO is assured another term on the b...The idea that BHO is assured another term on the basis of this boost needs to be scrutinized. It is surely just projection of liberal fantasies. I remember seeing white Los Angelinos being pulled out of their cars on street corners in 1992 and thinking that the right would surely rule America for the next, ahem... thousand years. It turned out it was just me.<br />Gilbert PinfoldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76520401868645608222011-05-08T23:56:19.499-07:002011-05-08T23:56:19.499-07:00Hillary shows a look of pure horror ... it can onl...Hillary shows a look of pure horror ... it can only be one thing ... she saw Bin Laden being killed and realized her dream of stepping down to challenge Obama in the primaries was over.Wes who works for CHAOSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1570454340667561032011-05-08T23:39:40.152-07:002011-05-08T23:39:40.152-07:00I paid over $4.15/gal today, and I spotted another...I paid over $4.15/gal today, and I spotted another store in the strip mall near me that closed its doors. With each one that closes, the parking lots of the malls gather litter.<br /><br />Counted three more houses in the neighborhood with lock boxes on them. The people two doors up the street from my house (Egyptians, actually) lost their house, moved out last week--the bank put up a sign on Friday.<br /><br />The CA Teachers Association is planning an all-out rally, campaign beginning tomorrow. They want to tell us that they and "their kids" simply can't tolerate cuts.<br /><br />I had to pay dues to that corrupt piece of crap for 35 years.<br /><br />Bin Laden dead--great!<br />Everything else---a piece of sh*t.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com