tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post1982140632449047909..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: J.P. Rushton, 1943-2012Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87837717971855234762012-10-09T20:28:39.314-07:002012-10-09T20:28:39.314-07:00@Eduard: Where have you heard that piece of news (...@Eduard: Where have you heard that piece of news (about Lynn's illness)? Brand mentioned it in IQ & PC a while ago; do you have another source, or is that the one you're thinking of?<br /><br />In any case: this is really terrible news. Rushton introduced me to HBD. I had immense respect for him.Psychomelosophernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55792080789766684312012-10-08T21:55:58.114-07:002012-10-08T21:55:58.114-07:00Of total genetic variation.
Thanks for nothing. ...<br /><i>Of total genetic variation. </i><br /><br />Thanks for nothing. That statement doesn't mean anything, you flipping moron.<br /><br />"Total genetic variation" is AN UNDEFINED TERM. You were specifically told to define the term, and you didn't, because you can't, because it has no intrinsic meaning and (apparently) no arbitrarily assigned meaning. ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83339584706217771232012-10-07T12:43:12.146-07:002012-10-07T12:43:12.146-07:00Too sad. Just found out about Rushton's death ...Too sad. Just found out about Rushton's death by reading here.<br /><br />I read a lot but have not found this anywhere else.<br /><br />Rushton is simply amazing, his research profound. Dazzling how he could perform all this research against all odds and resistance.<br /><br />A professor of mine once REFUSED to give Rushton access to a big data collection he had and gave out liberally to researchers.<br /><br />Human-Stupidity.com has written about Rushton extensively <a href="http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/racial-differences-intelligence/j-philippe-rushton-rip-controversial-researcher-on-racial-differences-in-personality-and-iq" rel="nofollow">J. Philippe Rushton RIP. Controversial Researcher on Racial Differences in Personality and IQ</a>Human-Stupidity.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01415167814446085472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76406561527439070082012-10-06T13:28:31.116-07:002012-10-06T13:28:31.116-07:00Rushton noted that the differences, on various sta...Rushton noted that the differences, on various statistical criteria, prove (not "prove") that Blacks are a completely different sort of human (not "subhuman", a term that is only used in strawmen) from Whites and Asians. Rushton is not the only one to note that Blacks are quite likely to direct violence against White children, and that Blacks are quite promiscuous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60634649928393876752012-10-06T11:09:37.614-07:002012-10-06T11:09:37.614-07:00Re Lengendary Linda and the assertion that "g...Re Lengendary Linda and the assertion that "g" and R/K theory<br />go together like ham and eggs--well, one brilliant thought criminal, Chris Brand, had some salt to put on all this in his<br />review of Rushton's book in<br />PERSONALITY AND INVIDIUAL DIFFRENCES 19. 3. 411-413, 1995<br />This is the Notorious Chris Brand<br />who has fearlesly resurrected his "depublished" book (THE "g" FACTOR )--Yes , same lead title as the Jensen book--His book is free online --see Brand "IQ & PC" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84517884975720087782012-10-05T14:26:57.421-07:002012-10-05T14:26:57.421-07:00I read Rushton's book about five years ago.
I...I read Rushton's book about five years ago.<br /><br />I got the feeling that when he was growing up:<br /><br />He was the victim of horrific black violence<br /><br />and/or<br /><br />He was extremely envious of black male sexuality<br /><br /><br />There are differences between the races of course, but he interpreted the differences to "prove" blacks are somewhat sub-human, under the guise of objective scientific enquiry.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25211092793435400662012-10-05T11:13:35.463-07:002012-10-05T11:13:35.463-07:00I must thank the Three Jews for introducing me to ...<em>I must thank the Three Jews for introducing me to Rushton. Alan Dershowitz, Stephen Gould and Richard Nozick team-taught a Harvard/Harvard Law course called "Thinking about Thinking". </em><br /><br />We know what Gould thought, but what were the attitudes of Dershowitz and Nozick towards Rushton's work?RAHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56605136468379656352012-10-04T22:12:55.734-07:002012-10-04T22:12:55.734-07:0085% of what?
Of total genetic variation.<i>85% of what?</i><br /><br />Of total genetic variation. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34364696784780126282012-10-04T20:44:36.647-07:002012-10-04T20:44:36.647-07:00There is nothing to address. Lewontin's statem...<i>There is nothing to address. Lewontin's statement is factually correct. One can argue whether what the 15% contains is important enough (and we all know that the entire human history demonstrates that it is) but this won't change the fact that 85% is all over the place. </i><br /><br />85% of what? <br />ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42629327752323791862012-10-04T20:40:51.951-07:002012-10-04T20:40:51.951-07:00The Canadian online newspaper articles about the d...The Canadian online newspaper articles about the death of Prof Rushton state that he died of cancer<br /><br />"Services have been set for Psychology professor John Philippe Rushton, who died Tuesday, Oct. 2 at LHSC Victoria Hospital Palliative Care Ward after a battle with cancer."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34475807450170017182012-10-04T20:36:09.632-07:002012-10-04T20:36:09.632-07:00There is nothing to address. Lewontin's statem...<i>There is nothing to address. Lewontin's statement is factually correct. </i><br /><br />What statement? What he said has no meaning. Someone needs to translate it from jargon into comprehensible English.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66612547891158130912012-10-04T20:19:55.901-07:002012-10-04T20:19:55.901-07:00But that doesn't really matter. No matter how ...<i>But that doesn't really matter. No matter how you lived, even if you somehow got your children to live their lives the same way, your descendents are always going to revert to the mean.</i><br /><br />Which is another way of saying that the mean never changes. Which is another way of saying that humans were created exactly as we are now. Are you sure that's what you want to claimben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46777715719977688742012-10-04T20:01:44.488-07:002012-10-04T20:01:44.488-07:00Interesting to see the media response. There is a ...Interesting to see the media response. There is a pretty fair minded obituary by John Milner <a href="Controversial%20prof%20Philippe%20Rushton%20dead" rel="nofollow">here.</a><br /><br />Then an ill informed effort to by Ian Gillespie that <a href="http://www.lfpress.com/2012/10/04/rushtons-ideas-died-with-him" rel="nofollow">Rushton's ideas died with him</a><br /><br />You can post comments.Mike Steinbergnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58099594686787279252012-10-04T19:15:35.993-07:002012-10-04T19:15:35.993-07:00"Un bon raciste est un raciste mort."
T..."Un bon raciste est un raciste mort."<br /><br />Typical leftist.<br /><br />Always full of bloodlust, striving for a secular, egalitarian utopia.<br /><br />First Marat tried killing thousands of "aristocrats". That didn't create utopia.<br /><br />Then Lenin tried killing millions of "capitalists". That didn't work either.<br /><br />Now the New Left wants to eliminate all "racists", aka all people of European descent. We are the "cancer of human history" (Sontag) and we must be "abolished" (Ignatiev). There are too many of us for the guillotine or the gulag, but the New Left has methods that amount to a soft, slow genocide: anarcho-tyrrany, mass immigration, and sexual revolution. <br /><br />This won't create utopia, and it won't make the world any more egalitarian, but it will gratify the blood-lust of the Sontags and Ignatievs of the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28523562567330633332012-10-04T18:45:51.984-07:002012-10-04T18:45:51.984-07:00What if Sailer is cloned and grows up to be a libe...What if Sailer is cloned and grows up to be a liberal and has a liberal blog. That would be interesting. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60742101472408101462012-10-04T18:44:53.489-07:002012-10-04T18:44:53.489-07:00What do we do when Sailer dies? Maybe Sailer shoul...What do we do when Sailer dies? Maybe Sailer should clone himself so we can go on posting stuff on his blog. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87344410766516675302012-10-04T18:25:52.651-07:002012-10-04T18:25:52.651-07:00Wouldn't the best thing for human destiny be f...<i>Wouldn't the best thing for human destiny be for white and black people to just disappear, and let Asians exist in a high intelligence, low crime state?</i><br /><br />Maybe, but your musings on this matter are only available to the rest of us via the medium of the internet - produced by those dreadful brutish whites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45953803306169352332012-10-04T18:08:46.617-07:002012-10-04T18:08:46.617-07:00@ben tillman:
There is nothing to address. Lewont...@ben tillman:<br /><br />There is nothing to address. Lewontin's statement is factually correct. One can argue whether what the 15% contains is important enough (and we all know that the entire human history demonstrates that it is) but this won't change the fact that 85% is all over the place. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6869689865838598552012-10-04T15:13:12.525-07:002012-10-04T15:13:12.525-07:00Hard to imagine this NYT review of Rushton and oth...Hard to imagine this NYT review of Rushton and others being published today: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/16/books/what-is-intelligence-and-who-has-it.html?pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">What Is Intelligence, and Who Has It?</a><br /><br /><i>The most insistent plea of the four authors is for freedom of debate and an end to the shroud of censorship imposed upon scientists and scholars by pressure groups and an acquiescing society. Mr. Murray and Mr. Herrnstein write that "for the last 30 years, the concept of intelligence has been a pariah in the world of ideas," and that the time has come to rehabilitate rational discourse on the subject. It is hard to imagine a democratic society doing otherwise.</i>Kai Carverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15104699147862191024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50165963332964923692012-10-04T14:23:25.145-07:002012-10-04T14:23:25.145-07:00The only thing in the world that matter is intelli...<i> The only thing in the world that matter is intelligence. That's it, the sum total of all that matters or ever will matter. According to this book the smarter you are, the more you tend to live in a virtous manner. From working hard, to saving for a rainy day, to taking care of your kids, to being productive, it all comes from that one trait, intelligence on the average. I'm not able to gather from that book whether K-Strategies are a product of higher intelligence, or just go with it like ham and eggs.</i><br /><br />It's the latter. Intelligence is just one of many traits that are higher (on average) in K selected races, but even if you controlled for IQ, the races would probably still differ enormously in personality, social organization, rate of maturation, criminality, sexuality etc.The Legendary Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51262533125317151602012-10-04T11:58:14.191-07:002012-10-04T11:58:14.191-07:00"The only appropriate comeback to Lewontin..."The only appropriate comeback to Lewontin's 85/15% claim is, WTF does it even mean?"<br /><br />I'm not sure I fully grok the Fixation Index thing -- but I've always wondered by saying their is more variation within a population group than between population groups is not a simple ecological fallacy. Variation with a group will be computed with the unit of analysis being the individual. whereas variation between groups has the the group as unit of analysis.stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2391942817315573612012-10-04T11:46:46.698-07:002012-10-04T11:46:46.698-07:00Hobsbawm's "nationalism since 1780: progr...Hobsbawm's "nationalism since 1780: programme, myth, and reality" is pretty good. Wrong, but in a fruitful way.<br /><br />stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28200746060363769612012-10-04T11:44:42.527-07:002012-10-04T11:44:42.527-07:00Leave "Parallel lives" to Plutarch. Thes...Leave "Parallel lives" to Plutarch. These two are not to be compared.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05676167615981895061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32515104526115756582012-10-04T10:55:09.911-07:002012-10-04T10:55:09.911-07:00I have a little more to say about Rushton's bo...I have a little more to say about Rushton's book, it was just too mindnumbing to put all the text in one mega post.<br /><br />One thing that is striking to me with this book, and others like it is no discussion of evolution, at lest evolution in the short term.<br /><br />By that I mean, are modern people exactly the same as they were even a few thousand years ago? Or even a couple of hundred?<br /><br />We have some skulls from centuries ago around now. And no shortage of modern skulls. Whatever method they used to estimate brain volume from that study, it's be interesting to know if it was sensitive enough to detect an increase of oh say 1 cubic inch in a few hundred years.<br /><br />If we have a big enough sample of old skulls sitting around.<br /><br />What I'm trying to say is how long does it take for a population to "evolve" into being more intelligent anyway?<br /><br />From what I gather it happened relatively quickly for European Jews, in under a 1000 years. How fast is fast anyway? Is Jewish average intelligence higher than it was 300 years ago?<br /><br />Rushton is also unsatisfying with the whole climate thing. It gets darn cold in Russia. A lot colder than in a lot of China. Is average Russian IQ higher than Chinese? Are Mongols and various Inuit the smartest people on Earth? You really ought to see a few iq points of difference between Finns and Brits as well.<br /><br />I've read a few things that suggest that China, for example, has been been a society organized around agriculture much longer than those in Europe. This makes more sense to me, because I gather Mongols aren't as intelligent as Chinese. But it is unsatisfying in some ways, because shouldn't you see the same effect with Egyptians and the Fertile Crescent area? Not to mention parts of India?<br /><br />Although I think it might explain some differences between Europe and Africa.sunbeamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16540822135478202229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14042830823089023182012-10-04T10:30:28.989-07:002012-10-04T10:30:28.989-07:00I read the abridged version of the book in the lin...I read the abridged version of the book in the link last night.<br /><br />Reading it I was struck by how deterministic everything is if you accept everything in this book as your world view.<br /><br />Nothing within your control really matters does it? Let's say you are black and highly virtuous, in fact you are Saint Ophrah of Winfrey. You are always polite and kind, never break a law, and work diligently all the days of your life. You even somehow raise your children to be just like you.<br /><br />But that doesn't really matter. No matter how you lived, even if you somehow got your children to live their lives the same way, your descendents are always going to revert to the mean.<br /><br />Well unless they find another mean to belong to, which is a long post in itself, with many things to discuss and analyze.<br /><br />But for most people both the good and evil you do will be forgotten in a very brief period of time, as rocks see it. All that will be left of you is a bit of dna winding it's way through the human population.<br /><br />If you take that book at face value to be the whole and total truth, biology is destiny.<br /><br />The only thing in the world that matter is intelligence. That's it, the sum total of all that matters or ever will matter. According to this book the smarter you are, the more you tend to live in a virtous manner. From working hard, to saving for a rainy day, to taking care of your kids, to being productive, it all comes from that one trait, intelligence on the average. I'm not able to gather from that book whether K-Strategies are a product of higher intelligence, or just go with it like ham and eggs. And, just as cursory thought on the matter, about half of what I would consider to be moral is in some way linked to this K-Strategy concept.<br /><br />To repeat, intelligence is destiny. Because after all, the book tells us that no matter what, if you take a person without the genes for high intelligence, and raise them in a K-environment, they still will never be as good as someone with genes for higher intelligence raised in an r-environment.<br /><br />This book also makes me wonder where you draw the line? I gather most here have no problems with Asians, hence "NAMS." (I wonder whether anyone has ever asked Asians if they have a problem with Roundeyes?) But once again, let's face it, it's just a matter of degree after all. Wouldn't the best thing for human destiny be for white and black people to just disappear, and let Asians exist in a high intelligence, low crime state?<br /><br />Of course Jews might be able to say the same thing about Asians...sunbeamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16540822135478202229noreply@blogger.com