tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2006404858258025262..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Afghanistan: Why don't we just go home?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55774699885786597572009-08-17T08:46:44.965-07:002009-08-17T08:46:44.965-07:00The purpose of the Afghan occupation & it is a...The purpose of the Afghan occupation & it is a fair one, is to find & kill bin Laden. Only problem is that I am pretty sure he has been dead for years.<br /><br />While the CIA say "his" tapes have been genuine a Swiss firm who do voice recognition software say they definitely aren't. It depends whether you trust a foreign corporation or America's first line of defence in the inteligence war?neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82229731980705133582009-08-14T03:30:34.824-07:002009-08-14T03:30:34.824-07:00Raimondo's take:
http://original.antiwar.com/...Raimondo's take:<br /><br />http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/08/13/why-are-we-in-afghanistan/lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45855514550341790412009-08-13T12:30:31.573-07:002009-08-13T12:30:31.573-07:00You underestimate the sheer bloodiness of The War ...<i>You underestimate the sheer bloodiness of The War for Southern Independence. Three percent of all Americans ended up on the casualty rolls, an appallingly high proportion of the population. The organized slaughter that took place across those five Aprils can reasonably be thought of as a large-scale dress rehearsal for the total wars that followed.</i> <br /><br />No doubt it was by far the bloodiest war in American history. Makes Vietnam look like a stroll in the garden. But, the devastation wrought on the land itself was negligible outside the south.<br /><br />But you do have a point about casualties. I was going to respond that you should separate your percentage into north and south, but then I remembered that the north had a lot more casualties than the south. Still, higher population too, so it would be interesting to see them broken out.<br /><br />~SvigorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56764281888417105462009-08-12T19:19:00.990-07:002009-08-12T19:19:00.990-07:00>I'm a southerner; the south suffered from ...>I'm a southerner; the south suffered from that war, not America.<<br /><br />This unreconstructed capital-S Southerner doesn't understand your statement that the South suffered from the War, not America. Both sides were comprised of Americans, and both experienced terrible losses in the War--especially the soldiers and civilians of the Confederacy, of course.<br /><br />>Even if you don't buy that, enormous differences between the World Wars and the American War Between the States.<<br /><br />You underestimate the sheer bloodiness of The War for Southern Independence. Three percent of all Americans ended up on the casualty rolls, an appallingly high proportion of the population. The organized slaughter that took place across those five Aprils can reasonably be thought of as a large-scale dress rehearsal for the total wars that followed.kudzu bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865247508134005274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46100228553670214442009-08-12T16:21:29.298-07:002009-08-12T16:21:29.298-07:00I guess the Neocons aren't the only ones who s...<i>I guess the Neocons aren't the only ones who suffer from that particular blind spot.</i> <br /><br />I'm a southerner; the south suffered from that war, not America.<br /><br />Even if you don't buy that, enormous differences between the World Wars and the American War Between the States.<br /><br />~SvigorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15920669236956558532009-08-12T08:33:10.283-07:002009-08-12T08:33:10.283-07:00"confessing that to him (Podhoretz) the Civil...<i>"confessing that to him (Podhoretz) the Civil War was as distant and irrelevant as the Wars of the Roses."</i><br /><br><br />Mmmm, now why would that be? Maybe for the same reason why Podhoretz's extended family living in Europe, Australia or Russia also does not give a shit for local history. Only the narrative dealing with a particular piece of realestate carries any weight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60316074435786454172009-08-11T20:30:29.340-07:002009-08-11T20:30:29.340-07:00>I guess that's one way of saying America h...>I guess that's one way of saying America has never actually suffered from war.<<br /><br />Gore Vidal tells the story of how, after having written the brilliant novel, "Lincoln," Norman Podhoretz approached him and expressed puzzlement at Vidal's choice of subject matter, confessing that to him (Podhoretz) the Civil War was as distant and irrelevant as the Wars of the Roses.<br /><br />I guess the Neocons aren't the only ones who suffer from that particular blind spot.kudzu bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865247508134005274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3623147952731654422009-08-11T17:34:27.148-07:002009-08-11T17:34:27.148-07:00America has suffered somewhat for never having und...<i>America has suffered somewhat for never having understood that the main motives for wars are economic</i> <br /><br />I guess that's one way of saying America has never actually suffered from war.<br /><br />Seeing your continent smashed once or twice will cure that.<br /><br />~SvigorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13701400436119031962009-08-11T14:50:32.674-07:002009-08-11T14:50:32.674-07:00America has suffered somewhat for never having und...<i>America has suffered somewhat for never having understood that the main motives for wars are economic, not bullshit ideologies or emotional appeals to abstractions. </i><br /><br />It doesn't help that so many on the anti-war left spout the preposterous mantra "Religion has caused every war".airtommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9879972619151560402009-08-10T17:26:37.253-07:002009-08-10T17:26:37.253-07:00"America has suffered somewhat for never havi..."America has suffered somewhat for never having understood that the main motives for wars are economic, not bullshit ideologies or emotional appeals to abstractions. There is a super-colossally profitable machine in the USA and beyond dedicated to manufacturing foreign hoblgoblins..."<br /><br />This is absolutely correct!<br /><br />Kudos to you whichever anonymous you are, friend or foe.<br /><br />And to the rest of you, just keep "fighting them over there, so you won't have to do it over here!" (From your laptop of course.)Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8451459851450976172009-08-10T16:52:35.492-07:002009-08-10T16:52:35.492-07:00"Try Googling "Pashtun" and "n..."Try Googling "Pashtun" and "nuclear scientist." They're gonna git us!"<br /><br />Wow, how far this spins from my original point. Pashtuns make weapons in order to fight invaders. Some of the weapons are smuggled out to Chechnya, Bosnia, Ingushetia, etc...but all I meant was that they produce firearms and small scale bombs for dealing with invaders. I'm not Testy, with the speedboats and the suitcases and the 24 episodes on Tivo and all that. I'm talking about defense on the scale at which they're capable. Which seems capable enough, for the time being.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65613601948859334382009-08-10T15:00:50.878-07:002009-08-10T15:00:50.878-07:00Whenever I read an elaborate domino-theory chain o...Whenever I read an elaborate domino-theory chain of geopolitical reasoning such as testing99's, I'm reminded of what Mencken wrote:<br /><br />"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety), by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."<br /><br /><br />America has suffered somewhat for never having understood that the main motives for wars are economic, not bullshit ideologies or emotional appeals to abstractions. There is a super-colossally profitable machine in the USA and beyond dedicated to manufacturing foreign hoblgoblins, so that the taxpayer will go on feeding armaments manufacturers and civilian contractors with orders for ever more expensive kit to meet our self-imposed commitments in three quarters of the world's countries-- some of which are per capita richer than their guardians.<br /><br />America expends half the world's money for "defense". Now that the USSR has packed up, Europe is pacifist and the Chinese and Japanese only want to own the US, not conquer it, the "Islamonazi terror" is the best hobgoblin the machine can come up with. Not a very terrifying one, since it has not landed a punch on this country for eight years, but still....<br /><br />Incidentally, Mencken's warning was echoed 50 years ago: not by some leftist cynic but by a Republican president who had commanded our armies in the biggest real war we ever fought. It takes a chickenhawk paranoid to work out how leaving the Pashtuns to their own country will result in nukes falling on Seattle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57566577974173806302009-08-10T10:34:56.063-07:002009-08-10T10:34:56.063-07:00"you simply could have googled 'Pashtun&#..."you simply could have googled 'Pashtun' and 'gunsmiths.'"<br /><br />Try Googling "Pashtun" and "nuclear scientist." They're gonna git us!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27543919715581602272009-08-10T07:02:30.080-07:002009-08-10T07:02:30.080-07:00"Pashtuns build weapons? Tell me all about th..."Pashtuns build weapons? Tell me all about this phenomenon, please."<br /><br />I wrote a magazine article years ago about Dara Adam Khel, and the global distribution of the various weapons produced there. Kudzu Bob's correct. Instead of having to be told about things, like my six-year-old or a fat housewife in Florida, you could, if genuinely curious, look them up. <br /><br />As for the "fags" aspect, say what you will, bro. I see a lot of tough guy posturing on these boards that would fall apart with a few economic changes. <br /><br />Melykin displays typical white arrogance and an absolute inability to adequately observe the realities of the land he himself lives in. Pashtun society is simply a pre-industrial society, lacking in some things Westerners find necessary now, but free of many of the ills that were ushered in with industrialization. It is not a "stone-age" society. Buzzwords like that are used by neo-cons and feminists alike in their bid to bomb, subjugate, and "free" indigenous peoples of the world from the societies they would prefer. <br /><br />"In any case, it is not a stretch to describe their behaviour as 'crazy'."<br /><br />Not to you. To me, the champions of the culture of the Kwa and their rah-rahing Euro-equivalents are crazy. Acting like men and choosing to live seems sane. Guess it's all subjective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61393978392835402082009-08-10T06:46:20.937-07:002009-08-10T06:46:20.937-07:00"AmericanGoy said...
"And 50,000 di..."AmericanGoy said...<br /><br /> "And 50,000 died in Korea - and for what?"<br /><br /> So that millions of South Koreans do not live under an insane madman as their leader."<br /><br />Sounds like a good deal for the Koreans.<br /><br />What did we get out of it?<br /><br />I mean, besides Margaret Cho?Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86061274679040070742009-08-10T03:11:35.142-07:002009-08-10T03:11:35.142-07:00In the time it took you to write that, you simply ...<i>In the time it took you to write that, you simply could have googled "Pashtun" and "gunsmiths."</i><br /><br><br />testy beter take that up in his threatlist for NYC. i mean what's gonna happen when all these gun-totin Pashtuns converge on NYC? where are the young Obama babes gonna run to? socal? testy would love that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-382751223944209712009-08-09T23:38:41.549-07:002009-08-09T23:38:41.549-07:00>Pashtuns build weapons? Tell me all about this...>Pashtuns build weapons? Tell me all about this phenomenon, please.<<br /><br />In the time it took you to write that, you simply could have googled "Pashtun" and "gunsmiths."kudzu bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865247508134005274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12234038151898875852009-08-09T16:17:02.519-07:002009-08-09T16:17:02.519-07:00Unless we want to live with a Bombay style attack ...<i>Unless we want to live with a Bombay style attack followed by a nuclear one. And lose a city or two.</i><br /><br />No I definitely wouldn't want...hmm...which cities? ;-)Evil Sandmichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06094558583013380137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65741041603120575552009-08-09T13:02:09.066-07:002009-08-09T13:02:09.066-07:00"And 50,000 died in Korea - and for what?&quo..."And 50,000 died in Korea - and for what?"<br /><br />So that millions of South Koreans do not live under an insane madman as their leader.AmericanGoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865892490752172185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18420204406933471672009-08-09T12:20:43.246-07:002009-08-09T12:20:43.246-07:00--For instance, I seem to be replying to "sta...--For instance, I seem to be replying to "stari_momak", but I actually am stari momak.--<br /><br /><br />Might as well come clean myself...I'm Anonymous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82178242147362746382009-08-09T12:12:44.277-07:002009-08-09T12:12:44.277-07:00Anonymous wrote:
"These are men, residing in ...Anonymous wrote:<br />"These are men, residing in their historic homeland, wanting to live their lives as they see fit, and fighting the multi-ethnic incursion of a grasping empire. They don't write articles about what's happening to them - they build weapons and they fight those who are doing it."<br />---------------------------------<br /><br />They are not writing articles because most of them are probably illiterate. Their society is being kept in a brutal, stone-age-like state by some force or another...maybe genetics, maybe fundamentalist Islam, maybe they are all addicted to opium..I don't know. In any case, it is not a stretch to describe their behaviour as "crazy".Melykinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32565412074622190402009-08-09T06:53:22.668-07:002009-08-09T06:53:22.668-07:00It seems to me that America is forgetting strategi...It seems to me that America is forgetting strategies that have served it well since the War between the States. It should fight with adversaries that a) are more or less of it's own size but properly softened up by others (Germany in both World Wars), or b) targets that are so weak that a 'glorious' victory is all but a certainty (Panama, Grenada). I don't think Afghanistan really fits in any of these categories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75443903326646316982009-08-08T20:53:35.884-07:002009-08-08T20:53:35.884-07:00"Nothing in Steve's post, or anything in ..."Nothing in Steve's post, or anything in the comments as near as I can see, says these folks are 'nutty'."<br /><br />It's not just confined to this post, but is found in others, and in replies in those post's comments section, etc...(e.g. "some crazy tribesman"). <br /><br />Truth, the four seconds it took me to type that paragraph you mention are worth it in order to continue using various names and thus foster the illusion that Steve has many followers, rather than the seventeen of us who actually comment here. For instance, I seem to be replying to "stari_momak", but I actually am stari momak.Anonymous Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50143857858480241172009-08-08T20:31:48.565-07:002009-08-08T20:31:48.565-07:00Yeah, Pakistan has nukes. What do you prefer to do...<i>Yeah, Pakistan has nukes. What do you prefer to do about it? Ignore them? Pretend the bad nukes will go away.</i><br /><br><br />how the f. are the nukes going to get to NYC?? strapped on the hips of a model?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60091642353443101692009-08-08T20:30:29.128-07:002009-08-08T20:30:29.128-07:00Pakistan teeters on the brink, with fighting recen...<i>Pakistan teeters on the brink, with fighting recently only 50 miles from the Capital.</i><br /><br><br />I'd say that's coz the US forced Pakistan to start fighting the tribes, and now they are pushing back. Had the US not meddled in Pak. this would not have happened. The US cannot even control Afg. but starts meddling in Pak. which had a cease-fire between the tribes and the central gov., like Steve sez.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com