tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2042462588489554623..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "Disparate Impact Realism"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14059659235852208232012-06-26T07:25:10.056-07:002012-06-26T07:25:10.056-07:00Amy Wax has a book on the subject. Derbyshire say...Amy Wax has a book on the subject. Derbyshire says it's excellent. Used ones as low as $12.57 on Amazon. Remember to go to VDare.com and click on Amazon's link, so VDare can get a commission.<br /><br />Race, Wrongs, and Remedies: Group Justice in the 21st Century (Hoover Studies in Politics, Economics, and Society)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20810419663777911882012-06-26T07:13:22.214-07:002012-06-26T07:13:22.214-07:00In 2010 Prof Wax invited John Derbyshire to U Penn...In 2010 Prof Wax invited John Derbyshire to U Penn Black Law Students Assoc.<br /><br />http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/197624/u-penn-panel-report/john-derbyshireAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61318674401302141062012-06-26T06:58:20.262-07:002012-06-26T06:58:20.262-07:00"blacks lag behind whites in actual on-the-jo..."blacks lag behind whites in actual on-the-job performance, which indicates that employers are not unfairly excluding minorities but rather bending over backwards to include them"<br /><br />If employers are bending over backwards to include blacks, can we conclude that employers are excluding whites?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62361602655568607172011-07-01T19:29:21.240-07:002011-07-01T19:29:21.240-07:00Good on you, Professor Wax.Good on you, Professor Wax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86834586022367373052011-07-01T03:39:11.249-07:002011-07-01T03:39:11.249-07:00How dare Big Bill suggest Jews are self-interested...How dare Big Bill suggest Jews are self-interested? ANTI-SEMITE!!!Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30365397151155734832011-06-30T22:17:53.431-07:002011-06-30T22:17:53.431-07:00http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-30/fannie-ma...http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-30/fannie-mae-silence-on-taylor-bean-mortgages-opened-way-to-3-billion-fraud.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81913395742924612172011-06-30T19:50:41.509-07:002011-06-30T19:50:41.509-07:00Well said Jeff..
BTW, I loved the bloggingheads t...Well said Jeff..<br /><br />BTW, I loved the bloggingheads thing (I just d/l the audio and listened at work - wish it was a 10 hour debate instead of 1 hour..)Anon999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25531362966683243352011-06-30T15:26:17.656-07:002011-06-30T15:26:17.656-07:00"I shall watch Ms. Wax' future career wit...<i>"I shall watch Ms. Wax' future career with much interest."</i><br /><br />Sadist.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79280832431832591982011-06-30T15:24:32.836-07:002011-06-30T15:24:32.836-07:00Points at the hiring practises of Hollywood, telev...<i>Points at the hiring practises of Hollywood, television, the NYT and in fact the entire MSM.</i><br /><br />Not to mention law schools, law firms, and the courts.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9743056017682060832011-06-30T15:23:36.418-07:002011-06-30T15:23:36.418-07:00Big Bill's comment is as classic an antisemiti...<i>Big Bill's comment is as classic an antisemitic way of thinking as could be mustered. To Bill and his ilk anything Jews ever do or say is for their own advancement to the detriment of others.</i><br /><br />How could it be otherwise? Who else's ineterests could they possibly be advancing?ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54093144832822582002011-06-30T13:37:27.679-07:002011-06-30T13:37:27.679-07:00I shall watch Ms. Wax' future career with much...I shall watch Ms. Wax' future career with much interest.<br /><br />-osvaldo M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22827159528884358802011-06-30T11:35:40.637-07:002011-06-30T11:35:40.637-07:00by the way, she was valedictorian at columbia law,...by the way, she was valedictorian at columbia law, after<br />the rigors of Harvard Medical School. Pretty damn impressive, I would say. Anyone who seeks to diminish<br />her at Penn Law out of hand as a misguided racist would have that to deal with. A lesson for Stephanie Grace -- wait until tenure to speak the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81675126884103874892011-06-30T11:30:43.072-07:002011-06-30T11:30:43.072-07:00"that fair and valid hiring criteria will res..."that fair and valid hiring criteria will result in a workplace that roughly reflects the representation of each group in the background population."<br /><br />Points at the hiring practises of Hollywood, television, the NYT and in fact the entire MSM.<br /><br />.<br />SFG<br />"How'd she get away with this?"<br /><br />This has been on the cards for a while but still, slightly less insanity in the world is a good thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23699951160578382962011-06-30T10:51:11.207-07:002011-06-30T10:51:11.207-07:00All disparate impact is doing today is encouraging...All disparate impact is doing today is encouraging shipping jobs to countries where it doesn't exist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26869675037613727262011-06-30T09:54:58.775-07:002011-06-30T09:54:58.775-07:00I am a little leary.
If the left embraces Amy Wax...I am a little leary.<br /><br />If the left embraces Amy Wax's "Realism" then what? They will still want to appear to have the moral high ground. They will still expect productive folks to pay for it. And they will still institute programs that line their own pockets at our expense which vilify productive people and coddle and excuse parasites and criminals. <br /><br />The left still needs to be defeated because they are parasites who feel entitled to free load and profit off us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42254749982904254792011-06-30T09:02:19.088-07:002011-06-30T09:02:19.088-07:00"Most of these commenters don't seem to h..."Most of these commenters don't seem to have heard of Amy Wax...."<br /><br />Anon 9:09pm:<br /><br />Points well taken, but was the book in fact reviewed widely in the mainstream press? <br /><br />I searched and the only one I found was a brief approving review by John McWhorter in the New Republic:<br /><br />http://www.tnr.com/book/review/what-hope<br /><br />She was quoted in this article about the 72 percent black illegitimacy rate:<br /><br />http://www.blacknews.com/news/black_unwed_mothers101.shtmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56762982225426631222011-06-30T08:42:23.678-07:002011-06-30T08:42:23.678-07:00"Can you imagine the carnage to the Jewish pe..."Can you imagine the carnage to the Jewish people if they only got 2.5% of college professorships, or MD degrees, or JD degrees, or neurosurgical residencies, or ... . Well, you get the picture."<br /><br /><br />Can you imagine the carnage to all of us? Personally, I like Jewish docs. They do a good job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5092615270459250322011-06-30T08:40:25.959-07:002011-06-30T08:40:25.959-07:00"And no, she doesn't get a free pass beca...<i>"And no, she doesn't get a free pass because she's Jewish."</i><br /><br />It certainly doesn't hurt her. Being female, Jewish, and tenured gives a lot more protection than being male, gentile, and tenured does - and the list of male gentile tenured "race realists" who were rational and calm, but who were nevertheless subjected to extremely long and calculated and vicious hate and vilification campaigns, is a long list, but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you? Or you pretend not to know anyway. <br /><br /><i>"If the race-realist right were less polemical, less bound up in their apocalyptic Good vs. Evil mythology, then liberals like Amy Wax would be welcomed, publicized, and supported more, as Steve Sailer is doing here. Wax's book was reviewed approvingly in some mainstream political sites. Where were the book reviews on the race-realist right? (To be fair, I did come across that bloggingheads link at a white nationalist site, which linked to it approvingly, though some of the commenters had a problem with Wax's ethnicity.)"</i><br /><br />There are plenty of people on the "race realist right" who do everything you say they should do (as you yourself were forced to admit) yet the way you talk, everyone on the "race realist right" is no different from the worst ranters on the vnnforum. You simply don't know the subject matter you claim to be addressing (the race realist right) or you're dissembling. <br /><br /><i>"Another lesson: from what I've seen, Wax does not talk about genetic influence on racial differences. Maybe she doesn't even believe there is a genetic influence, I don't know. But she shows how far you can take race-realist arguments without even getting into that topic."</i><br /><br />What planet did you just drop down from? People have been making logical, non-hysterical, rational race-realist arguments for over a century, and have been routinely shut out of the public debate and ruthlessly vilified/shunned/chased out of academia and/or popular society. Being "nice" and rational doesn't buy one any sort of respect or reciprocity if one is going against TPTB. <br /><br />The fact that a Jewish liberal is making arguments that mesh very neatly with Jewish interests shouldn't escape notice from anyone. Disparate Impact, if applied to Jews, would be devastating to Jewish power. Therefore backup plans are being put into place should the time come when it might be seen as convenient to make this theory "go away"; hence the careful legal argument. <br /><br />In reality nothing will change; Jews won't be forced to reduce their numbers in elite institutions due to quotas; white males won't stop being eliminated from the workforce and elite institutions due to Disparate Impact, but, this little paper will be ready as a backup in case something goes wrong. This paper isn't some turning point in the war against whites; it isn't a sign that "Jews are finally coming to their senses"; it isn't anything more than the usual Jewish dual strategy of always leading both sides of an argument so that they win no matter which side "wins". <br /><br /><i>"Wax proves that if you're able to talk to people respectfully and intelligently, without ranting, then yes, you too can be taken seriously in discussions on race."</i><br /><br />Either you are too naive to be allowed out without a leash, or you are being deliberately disingenuous. Jared Taylor isn't respectful and intelligent? Kevin MacDonald? Arthur Jensen? J. Philippe Rushton? James Watson? I could go on and on with a much longer list of people you probably have not heard of, and you want to sit here and claim that they are "ranting", that they aren't respectful and intelligent? Please. There's a war out there, and TPTB do not give any credit or any respect to anyone they despise no matter how respectful and rational they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49280233067151213232011-06-30T05:12:15.567-07:002011-06-30T05:12:15.567-07:00"Wax proves that if you're able to talk t..."Wax proves that if you're able to talk to people respectfully and intelligently, without ranting, then yes, you too can be taken seriously in discussions on race." <br /><br />Amy Wax: <br />IQ ~145-150 <br />Relatively wealthy <br />Secure job <br />Member of the elite <br /><br />Average HBD person: <br />IQ ~105 <br />Not wealthy <br />No secure job <br />Not a member of the elite <br /><br />When one finds oneself to be in Ms. Wax's position, I suppose talking calmly about these issues is far easier than for the average HBD follower. It is too high a burden to ask normal people to speak in monotone regarding a great lie they have encountered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5574880364640260322011-06-30T05:09:31.801-07:002011-06-30T05:09:31.801-07:00When looking at her UPenn page, I saw that she has...When looking at her UPenn page, I saw that she has written texts with titles that could inflame the liberals since at least 2003. Yet, she is not fired by now. My hunch is that she will not be fired for this thing.Swordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1555991117452044082011-06-30T04:28:49.666-07:002011-06-30T04:28:49.666-07:00Aaron,
Do you honestly believe the reaction would...Aaron,<br /><br />Do you honestly believe the reaction would have been the same if it had been written by an old white man? (everything else held equal)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63912334431294586512011-06-30T01:26:02.218-07:002011-06-30T01:26:02.218-07:00" Maybe she doesn't even believe there is..." Maybe she doesn't even believe there is a genetic influence,..": she passed out of medical school so she will know far more biology tha your average lawyer, or social scientist, or "liberal".deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9307454296198581232011-06-29T21:09:45.870-07:002011-06-29T21:09:45.870-07:00Most of these commenters don't seem to have he...Most of these commenters don't seem to have heard of Amy Wax. Her arguments are not dismissed out of hand, she is not ostracized as a racist; in fact, her race-realist arguments are taken seriously. You can see a bloggingheads debate where she argues, from a liberal standpoint, that whites are not obligated to correct white-black inequality, even if it's the fault of white racism, because it's impossible for whites to do that. Her book on that topic got quite a bit of attention in the mainstream media. And no, she doesn't get a free pass because she's Jewish.<br /><br />If the race-realist right were less polemical, less bound up in their apocalyptic Good vs. Evil mythology, then liberals like Amy Wax would be welcomed, publicized, and supported more, as Steve Sailer is doing here. Wax's book was reviewed approvingly in some mainstream political sites. Where were the book reviews on the race-realist right? (To be fair, I did come across that bloggingheads link at a white nationalist site, which linked to it approvingly, though some of the commenters had a problem with Wax's ethnicity.)<br /><br />Another lesson: from what I've seen, Wax does not talk about genetic influence on racial differences. Maybe she doesn't even believe there is a genetic influence, I don't know. But she shows how far you can take race-realist arguments without even getting into that topic.<br /><br />Wax proves that if you're able to <i>talk to people</i> respectfully and intelligently, without ranting, then yes, you too can be taken seriously in discussions on race.another Aaronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27969209440884644172011-06-29T21:09:38.949-07:002011-06-29T21:09:38.949-07:00Hm, Penn Law? Admitting that racial differences ex...Hm, Penn Law? Admitting that racial differences exist?<br /><br />Where have I seen this before...<br /><br />http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/HumanSciences/upennlaw.html<br /><br />Ah, yes. Same woman!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12005271973719403412011-06-29T21:06:56.410-07:002011-06-29T21:06:56.410-07:00"But come on, 89 pages to basically say that ..."But come on, 89 pages to basically say that disparate impact rules make no sense? Seems a little excessive."<br /><br />Citations are a bitch in law review articles. 80% of the text is citations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com