tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2241271305934020166..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Jared Diamond wields political incorrectness to outargue Daron AcemogluUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger94125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48387824202049742252012-08-30T01:29:00.719-07:002012-08-30T01:29:00.719-07:00http://www.ajithanmotherearth.blogspot.in/2012/08/...http://www.ajithanmotherearth.blogspot.in/2012/08/defending-diamond-2.html<br /><br />http://www.ajithanmotherearth.blogspot.in/2012/08/defending-diamond.html<br /><br />Two articles defending Diamond an political correctnessஜெயமோகன்https://www.blogger.com/profile/10081922964561469398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86102057188684827662012-08-30T01:28:18.713-07:002012-08-30T01:28:18.713-07:00http://www.ajithanmotherearth.blogspot.in/2012/08/...http://www.ajithanmotherearth.blogspot.in/2012/08/defending-diamond-2.html<br /><br />http://www.ajithanmotherearth.blogspot.in/2012/08/defending-diamond.html<br /><br />Two articles defending Diamondஜெயமோகன்https://www.blogger.com/profile/10081922964561469398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18136524627389927152012-06-05T23:12:25.815-07:002012-06-05T23:12:25.815-07:00Acemoglue emailed me back, thanking me and saying ...Acemoglue emailed me back, thanking me and saying he planned on responding next week. I look forward to it.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40931863836592289462012-06-05T03:05:40.017-07:002012-06-05T03:05:40.017-07:00Has he tried to explain why, despite apparently ad...Has he tried to explain why, despite apparently adequate "institutions" here in the US, American Blacks are, on average, able to achieve so little?eahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30155382765370007152012-06-04T22:33:17.113-07:002012-06-04T22:33:17.113-07:00Point taken. I am relatively sanguine about Asian ...<i>Point taken. I am relatively sanguine about Asian immigration; precisely because I have plenty of experience of sub-Sarahans, which most Australians do not.<br /><br />If every new East Asian is seen as taking up a 'place' in some absolute quota devised by our overlords; then each is a relative blessing, a bullet dodged, you might say if you're into grim humour.</i><br /><br />Why allow any foreigners in at all? Are you suicidal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11531464740959712472012-06-04T20:37:18.421-07:002012-06-04T20:37:18.421-07:00Their blog doesn't have a comments section, bu...Their blog doesn't have a comments section, but they have a contact section from which they can presumably get emails. Here's what I wrote:<br />Racialized penal systems are not a "uniquely American failure"<br />You used that phrase in your post "Our penal system". But you didn't provide much discussion of other polities. Julius Uzoaba has in "A Comparative Study of the Incarceration Rates of Racial Minorities in Four Common Law Countries of Canada, US, England and Wales, and Australia". Here are the last two sentences from the abstract:<br />"Currently in Canada, the Natives constitute about 3% of the general population but 17% of prisoners in the federal system. In Australia, the Natives currently make up 2% of the population but 20% of all prisoners. African Americans currently make up 13% of the US population and a staggering 46% of the sentenced prisoners. In England and Wales (1999/2000), Blacks comprised only 2% of the general population but 10.2% of the prison population."<br />What makes the U.S unique is the overall incarceration rate, rather than the overrepresentation of a minority population within the incarcerated population. Similarly, if you look at the former Confederate/Jim Crow states in the U.S, the ratio of the black to white incarceration rate is often even lower than in the north. Again the difference is a more generally punitive judicial system.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2548499626117555642012-06-04T20:19:51.214-07:002012-06-04T20:19:51.214-07:00Where did this notion that "HBD" means &...Where did this notion that "HBD" means "IQ uber alles" come from? "There is a hell of a lot more to "human bio diversity" than just a monomaniacal obsession with IQ.<br /><br />If IQ possessed the supreme importance accorded to it by the IQ fetishists then Chinese people would not moving to Australia in search of a better life."<br /><br />Point taken. I am relatively sanguine about Asian immigration; precisely because I have plenty of experience of sub-Sarahans, which most Australians do not. <br /><br />If every new East Asian is seen as taking up a 'place' in some absolute quota devised by our overlords; then each is a relative blessing, a bullet dodged, you might say if you're into grim humour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33947900602088838732012-06-04T20:03:08.400-07:002012-06-04T20:03:08.400-07:00"The IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is roughly the same..."The IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is roughly the same as that of East Asians - about 105."<br /><br />The research is not so clear-cut on this issue to make a definitive pronouncement as you have done. Given the tone of your comments on Inductivist's blog, I suspect that you are more interested in venom than in science.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83660121522281983952012-06-04T19:18:30.950-07:002012-06-04T19:18:30.950-07:00Silver, there was a very big earthquake in 2010 in...Silver, there was a very big earthquake in 2010 in Chile. The damage was not devastating. That shows building codes have been enforced for longer than a decade. After 15-20 years, results should be apparent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67549880281259169312012-06-04T17:43:06.350-07:002012-06-04T17:43:06.350-07:00Vastly? Figures please.
"Vastly" loo...<i>Vastly? Figures please.</i> <br /><br /><br /><br />"Vastly" looks like an exaggeration. Ireland has a larger per-capita GDP than Britain, but not "vastly" so. <br /><br />But don't get bogged down in details. The point is that according to the Acemoglu theory Ireland <i>should</i> look a lot like Zambia or South Africa. And it doesn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44028074167200411512012-06-04T16:54:42.908-07:002012-06-04T16:54:42.908-07:00Eire had a per capita GDP vastly bigger than the U...<i>Eire had a per capita GDP vastly bigger than the UK</i><br /><br />Vastly? Figures please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7709906238610081182012-06-04T15:51:27.510-07:002012-06-04T15:51:27.510-07:00As Steve Sailer once wrote, you shouldn't want...<i>As Steve Sailer once wrote, you shouldn't want your children to have to compete with anyone from anywhere.<br /><br />Although I'm not convinced this is really the question, there is the matter of whether it is better to serve in Heaven or reign in Hell?</i><br /><br />Since when are countries run by European-derived men considered as hells on earth compared to other countries? If Europeans were doing such a bad job for themselves, why do Chinese and Indians want to come live with them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78868453882734747132012-06-04T15:36:07.993-07:002012-06-04T15:36:07.993-07:00" I favor eliminating homosexuality."
Da..." I favor eliminating homosexuality."<br />Dare I ask how that would be accomplished?Curiousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45074319033124882082012-06-04T15:12:45.770-07:002012-06-04T15:12:45.770-07:00The only ethnic group that could reasonably be des...<i>The only ethnic group that could reasonably be described as "dramatically" more intelligent than the British is the Ashkenazi Jews. I don't believe they make up the bulk of immigrants to Australia</i> <br /><br /><br />The IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is roughly the same as that of East Asians - about 105. Neither group is "dramatically" more intelligent then the British or white Europeans in general.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25956940686925397662012-06-04T15:05:04.670-07:002012-06-04T15:05:04.670-07:00Well, if you read the statistics, Australia is cho...<i>Well, if you read the statistics, Australia is choosing immigrants with dramatically higher IQ than the founding stock Australians.</i> <br /><br /><br /><i>So the Australian policy looks to be the most HBD aware of any country in the world with the possible exception of Singapore.</i> <br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />Where did this notion that "HBD" means "IQ uber alles" come from? There is a hell of a lot more to "human bio diversity" than just a monomaniacal obsession with IQ.<br /><br />If IQ possessed the supreme importance accorded to it by the IQ fetishists then Chinese people would not moving to Australia in search of a better life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35955542032060744052012-06-04T14:24:58.539-07:002012-06-04T14:24:58.539-07:00I see that Chile is at $14k and Argentina is at $1...<i>I see that Chile is at $14k and Argentina is at $11k. Chile is considered a clean non-corrupt country. Argentina is considered among the worst in South America.</i><br /><br />Actually, when you consider purchasing power parity (PPP) GDP -- a much better measure for international comparisons -- the disparity is even narrower or otherwise favors Argentina (depending on whose stats you rely on).<br /><br />Back to the point, though, you're making the mistake of taking a snap shot of the present (or the short run) and making long run prognostications on the basis of it. If you assume that corruption does cripple economic growth, then a country that sorts out its corruption problems can expect to grow at a higher rate, meaning that while the differences between the two countries may be close to imperceptible in the short run or trumped by other factors, in the long run there could be a tremendous difference. For example, Egypt and Madagascar had virtually the same per capita GDP in 1960 and in 1970. But by 1980, Egypt's per cap GDP was double that of Madagascar, and by 2010 six times that of Madagascar. Now, Egypt's not exactly known around the world for the incorruptibility of its government or the brilliance of its institutions, but I don't think it's wrong to assume they've been more effective than Madagascar's over the period in question and that that greater effectiveness, slight though it may only be (particularly when viewed from an efficient western perspective) has made a considerable difference. (Other factors besides institutions and their effectiveness also made a difference, of course, and probably mattered much more so, not that someone like Acemoglu would admit it -- or even know anything about it.) <br /><br />I'd be interested in just how much longer Chile has been oh so less corrupt than Argentina. I doubt there's much more than ten years in it. So if it's actually true that there is today a significant disparity in corruption levels, all else being equal (and imo it pretty much is), if that disparity persists, I'd expect to Chile pull much further ahead in the next twenty or so years. But I think it's pretty unlikely that such a wide disparity in corruption would persist for so long because internet communication makes people far less tolerant of their government's failings when compared to the progress of their neighbors than ever used to be the case.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-642749900117000662012-06-04T14:09:52.958-07:002012-06-04T14:09:52.958-07:00As Steve Sailer once wrote, you shouldn't want...<i>As Steve Sailer once wrote, you shouldn't want your children to have to compete with anyone from anywhere.</i><br /><br />Although I'm not convinced this is really the question, there is the matter of whether it is better to serve in Heaven or reign in Hell? <br /><br />The only consistent principles are those of citizenism - the country is the property of its citizens, you should exercise your stake in your property to benefit yourself (and those who you care about) and punish the representatives to whom you delegate that exercise when they do not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9717288560604296902012-06-04T14:07:28.466-07:002012-06-04T14:07:28.466-07:00Real discussion between myself and a hotel owner f...Real discussion between myself and a hotel owner from a recent DR trip:<br /><br />Me: A lot of your staff seem to speak French. Are they Haitian?<br /><br />Hotel Owner: Yes. They do the jobs the Dominicans just wont do.<br /><br />I nearly died laughing. Apparently every country has a version of the US/Mexican relationship.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30271886276178800162012-06-04T13:57:11.873-07:002012-06-04T13:57:11.873-07:00Wrong. It is folly to import a hostile elite. Even...<i>Wrong. It is folly to import a hostile elite. Even if these people didn't have a track record of tribalism and bigotry toward other races and classes, it isn't in the interest of high-achieving Americans to swamp themselves with rivals. As Steve Sailer once wrote, you shouldn't want your children to have to compete with anyone from anywhere.</i><br /><br />In addition, it's also a shameless lie to say that "few people mind". Plenty of people mind and they are perfectly within their rights to mind. It's psychopathic immigrationists who need to explain themselves, not restrictionists.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38000067928269253452012-06-04T13:52:25.950-07:002012-06-04T13:52:25.950-07:00Albertosaurus -
I don't mind you spanking yo...Albertosaurus - <br /><br />I don't mind you spanking your girlfriends.<br /><br />Just don't EAT them.<br /><br />[-Er- for dinner, that is.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85752597033926256032012-06-04T13:37:52.372-07:002012-06-04T13:37:52.372-07:00Few people have any problem with the immigration o...<i>Few people have any problem with the immigration of the best and the brightest from India, China and anywhere else in the world.</i><br /><br />Wrong. It is folly to import a hostile elite. Even if these people didn't have a track record of tribalism and bigotry toward other races and classes, it isn't in the interest of high-achieving Americans to swamp themselves with rivals. As Steve Sailer once wrote, you shouldn't want your children to have to compete with anyone from anywhere.<br /><br /><i>Here the focus is on undocumented aliens from Mexico. Yet it is a fact that our economy needs and employs them.</i><br /><br />It is not a fact that we need then. There are a lot of Americans who could do the work they are doing. And agriculture only accounts for about 6-10% of the job theft by the infiltrators.<br /><br /><i>The agricultural industries of California, Arizona and New Mexico depend on them. Every salad you eat, every fruit juice you drink, inescapably involved an undocumented worker at some stage of its journey to you."</i><br /><br />No, not inescapably. Build a wall on the border and pass laws that could imprison infiltrators for three years, as they have done in Israel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42098782048164983972012-06-04T13:33:00.131-07:002012-06-04T13:33:00.131-07:00Normal human sex involves a significant component ...<i>Normal human sex involves a significant component of Dominance and submission.</i><br /><br />Not true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63749398259159962162012-06-04T13:17:10.732-07:002012-06-04T13:17:10.732-07:00"Institutions sometimes don't seem to mat..."Institutions sometimes don't seem to matter much...I see that Chile is at $14k and Argentina is at $11k. Chile is considered a clean non-corrupt country. Argentina is considered among the worst in South America.<br /><br />All that corruption eradication and just $3k per person to show for it?"<br /><br />Argentina, about which it is often said "they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity". Being mostly run by descendants of Germans or Italians Argentina really has no excuse, certainly as compared to Brazil with her large black population (lots of slaves, those Portugese) and stone age indians wandering into the cities. <br /><br />Regarding Chile: Its been less than 40 years for Chile's vastly superior institutions to make a difference. Pinochet did not seize power until 1973. Prior to that it was run like most other LatAm basket cases. Say what you will about Pinochet's methods (and as far as breaking eggs to make an omelette goes, Pinochet's methods were pretty chintsy: no more than 3,000 were killed and that is the lefty estimate) he left a modern, functioning, well-run country in his wake. Contrast that with every lefty dictator that killed orders of magnitude more and leave only a poverty-stricken hellhole behind. <br /><br />Point being, Chile is already 27% ahead of Argentina and I suspect that gap will continue to widen.Otis McWrongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71520951954663001632012-06-04T13:04:40.180-07:002012-06-04T13:04:40.180-07:00I just can't get over that picture. What a dif...I just can't get over that picture. What a difference between Haiti and the Dominican Republic! What a disaster black rule has been for Haiti, not least to its environment and ecology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75680883995960033092012-06-04T11:44:53.179-07:002012-06-04T11:44:53.179-07:00"Few people have any problem with the immigra..."Few people have any problem with the immigration of the best and the brightest from India, China and anywhere else in the world. Here the focus is on undocumented aliens from Mexico. Yet it is a fact that our economy needs and employs them. The agricultural industries of California, Arizona and New Mexico depend on them. Every salad you eat, every fruit juice you drink, inescapably involved an undocumented worker at some stage of its journey to you."<br /><br />They make their own replacements, you know. No need for imports. Also, we already have unskilled workers on welfare. So, no we don't need any imported unskilled workers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com