tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2248605579408811555..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: NYT: Tamerlan "conservative," anti-liberal, and (horrors) anti-MLKUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23055059790178024672013-04-24T19:37:10.063-07:002013-04-24T19:37:10.063-07:00Dude was practically a TeaperDude was practically a TeaperAlcalde Jaime Miguel Curleohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11801154986193443160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83099165351297483752013-04-24T00:42:23.454-07:002013-04-24T00:42:23.454-07:00"Would the United States have been unjustifie..."Would the United States have been unjustified in, say, intervening against Germany on behalf of Jews?"<br /><br />Who knows. The fact is the United States did not intervene against Germany on behalf of the Jews, and most Americans in the 1930s would have been opposed to such an intervention if it meant military force.Peter the Sharknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2191012035045488422013-04-23T19:51:32.835-07:002013-04-23T19:51:32.835-07:00Excellent comment, fact checker.
See for similar:...Excellent comment, fact checker.<br /><br />See for similar:<br /><br />http://mangans.blogspot.com/2013/04/new-liberal-meme-it-wasnt-political.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75497641388173439002013-04-23T19:24:14.148-07:002013-04-23T19:24:14.148-07:00If you ask the Muslims themselves, they'll tel...<i>If you ask the Muslims themselves, they'll tell you this battle has been going on for centuries with plenty of violence on both sides. Only Americans and Europeans have short enough memories to think this stuff started last decade.</i><br /><br />Actually America used to be wildly popular in both the Arab and Muslim world; however relations deteriorated over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the popular perception that America was constantly unfairly taking Israel's side, even to the point of pushing sanctions and wars against Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a threat to Israel (while telling Americans he was a threat to America). The September 11th terrorists targeted New York city's economic center probably in part because they probably perceived it as the Jewish heart of America.<br /><br />However the anti-Israel motives of Muslim terrorists is almost never discussed by the media because doing so might cause Americans to question America's unique relationship with Israel. Much better from the neo-con perspective to keep the public ignorant by claiming they hate America for its freedom and secularism or that they've just ALWAYS been at war with the West, and thus the only rational response is more wars in the middle east, and while such wars help Israel, they have devastating consequences for both America and the Muslim world. fact checkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85144537489520450842013-04-23T17:57:45.440-07:002013-04-23T17:57:45.440-07:00During the first few centuries of its existence Is...During the first few centuries of its existence Islam usually played the role of the bully. It initiated conflicts back then. And lots of people must have died. How many modern Muslims are so universalist, so utopian, so hippy-dippy as to feel sorry for any of that? And if they could somehow regain the upper hand in world affairs, what's the reason to think that they would act differently?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44651173952222608752013-04-23T17:48:45.629-07:002013-04-23T17:48:45.629-07:00If you replaced "other people" with &quo...<i>If you replaced "other people" with "other Muslims" in your formulation, then maybe, maybe some plausibility would attach to it.</i><br /><br />They seem to have just wanted the United States to stop bombing, slaughtering, and torturing other [Muslims].<br /><br />My original sentence was accurate (other Muslims are other human beings), but it seems not specific enough for your taste.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68894051049988066772013-04-23T17:37:34.096-07:002013-04-23T17:37:34.096-07:00"Why not?"
Because Islam is a club, lik..."Why not?"<br /><br />Because Islam is a club, like almost everything in politics. It tends to treat insiders differently from outsiders. Imagine these guys reading on online forums about the spread of Islam in the Middle Ages. Would they have sympathized with the Christian, Hindu, pagan victims of that process? I find that idea highly implausible. <br /><br />If you replaced "other people" with "other Muslims" in your formulation, then maybe, maybe some plausibility would attach to it. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10980552531623604472013-04-23T17:21:15.604-07:002013-04-23T17:21:15.604-07:00My comment about H-1B workers is now the highest-r...My comment about H-1B workers is now the highest-rated one on Fred Wilson's immigration <a href="http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2013/04/immigration-reform.html#disqus_thread" rel="nofollow">blog post</a>. Fred leans left on most issues, but his readership is more balanced. Steve and readers here should consider commenting there when Fred posts on immigration and other topics of interest. Dave Pinsenhttps://twitter.com/dpinsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4806218761955454752013-04-23T17:10:29.761-07:002013-04-23T17:10:29.761-07:00They couldn't have been THAT utopian.
Why not...<i>They couldn't have been THAT utopian.</i><br /><br />Why not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87482113517203680122013-04-23T17:08:45.391-07:002013-04-23T17:08:45.391-07:00"They seem to have just wanted the United Sta...<i>"They seem to have just wanted the United States to stop bombing, slaughtering, and torturing other human beings."</i><br /><br />They couldn't have been THAT utopian. Other Muslims, maybe. Although I suspect that if Chechnya attacked another Muslim entity (the Chechens attacked Dagestan some years ago), those brothers would have picked Chechnya's side.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53861326043277504792013-04-23T16:42:38.660-07:002013-04-23T16:42:38.660-07:00The Brothers Tsarnaev had utopian, idealistic goal...<i>The Brothers Tsarnaev had utopian, idealistic goals: the establishment of a worldwide Islamic Caliphate.</i><br /><br />They seem to have just wanted the United States to stop bombing, slaughtering, and torturing other human beings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14857653463380597242013-04-23T16:33:42.972-07:002013-04-23T16:33:42.972-07:00The Brothers Tsarnaev had utopian, idealistic goal...The Brothers Tsarnaev had utopian, idealistic goals: the establishment of a worldwide Islamic Caliphate.<br /><br />This is textbook liberalism. Conservatives seek to conserve, while liberals seek to destroy the status quo in the name of progress... unfortunately, sometimes with bombs (cf, Kathy Boudin, now teaching at Columbia).<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79455035923065330252013-04-23T16:32:10.294-07:002013-04-23T16:32:10.294-07:00Free Palestine
--Dhjokhar Tsarnoff (11/28/12 twee...<i>Free Palestine</i><br /><br />--Dhjokhar Tsarnoff (11/28/12 <a href="https://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/273705365890285568" rel="nofollow">tweet</a>)<br /><br />[Posting correct link.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12845550613924026682013-04-23T16:13:52.097-07:002013-04-23T16:13:52.097-07:00"The same could be said about most of the &qu..."The same could be said about most of the "lefty West" as you call it after WW2."<br /><br />Not true. And it was all true of the USSR up until the late 1980s.<br /><br />" problem is that all those lefty Westerners did not seem to stop supporting this right wing paragon."<br /><br />Not true. It was fashionable among Western intellectuals and artists to be Communist before WWII, but not afterwards. Obviously, the content of their beliefs didn't change, but when Communism became associated with Stalin's post-war policies, the Communist label was dropped by fashionable circles in the West. <br /><br />"unless you want somehow that argue that the gulags did not exist before Lenin"<br /><br />What does that have to do with my argument? The czarist government had prisons, but they were not called gulags.<br /><br />"and that Lenin was also selling the virtues of homosexuality and abstract art."<br /><br />From the Wikipedia:<br /><br />"In 1917, the Russian Revolution saw the overthrow of the Tsarist government, and the subsequent foundation of the Russian SFSR, the world's first socialist state, followed by the founding of the Soviet Union after the end of the civil war in 1922. The new Communist Party government eradicated the old laws regarding sexual relations, effectively legalising homosexual activity within Russia, although it remained illegal in other former territories of the Russian Empire. Under Lenin's leadership, openly gay people were allowed to serve in government. In 1933, the Soviet government, under the leadership of Joseph Stalin, recriminalised homosexual activity, most probably to improve the strained relations with the Russian Orthodox Church, who considered homosexuality sinful."<br /><br />The same is true of abstract art. Lenin's Russia was a major source of it. You don't seem to know much about the time and place under discussion. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88113261923843751712013-04-23T15:55:23.672-07:002013-04-23T15:55:23.672-07:00I didn't write anything about "reaching o...<b>I didn't write anything about "reaching out to them properly." If you don't want to be a target of bombings, I'd suggest we stop invading, bombing, and killing people.</b><br /><br /><i>Target, schmarget. They can't bomb us if we don't let them come here.</i><br /><br />Our immigration policy should be tightened significantly. Our borders should be made secure. There should be a fence along both borders. But we are still a large country that is connected into the world in many ways. Absolute security is practically impossible, while high security is very, very expensive and is tilts closer to a police state regime where excessive power is held hazardously in the hands of the federal government.<br /><br />Better to also not provoke people if it can be avoided.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73488054748670717022013-04-23T15:49:58.742-07:002013-04-23T15:49:58.742-07:00Only Americans and Europeans have short enough mem...<i>Only Americans and Europeans have short enough memories to think this stuff started last decade.</i><br /><br />You are correct, inadvertently. They think that 9/11 came out of nowhere. This "stuff" started in 1917.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48970151018515767392013-04-23T15:47:25.980-07:002013-04-23T15:47:25.980-07:00If you ask the Muslims themselves, they'll tel...<i>If you ask the Muslims themselves, they'll tell you this battle has been going on for centuries with plenty of violence on both sides.</i><br /><br />No they won't--unless you ask someone like Fareed Zakaria. Zionist America's depredations against the Arab world over the past 75 years do not constitute any kind of tit-for-tat relation. The resistance fighters who have targeted the United States cite contemporary violent oppression by us as justification for taking up arms against us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19093130279978810862013-04-23T15:41:35.415-07:002013-04-23T15:41:35.415-07:00"We invade and kill people and we are surpris...<b>"We invade and kill people and we are surprised when they fight back eventually? There is nothing unusual to psychoanalyze about these events."</b><br /><br /><i>When did America invade Chechnya and kill anyone there? By your logic, shouldn't the Chechen extremists stick to their old tricks of blowing up large residential buildings in family neighborhoods and holding up elementary schools in Russia, since that's the country that prevents Chechnya from raiding their neighbors?</i><br /><br />American has invaded, killed, and tortured other Muslims (as well as other human beings). You are assuming a crabbed premise I do not ascribe to. Besides, even if the Muslims were not the Tsarnoff's identity group, would it be wrong for the brothers to have come to their defense?<br /><br />Would the United States have been unjustified in, say, intervening against Germany on behalf of Jews?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80425701170625404552013-04-23T13:46:31.054-07:002013-04-23T13:46:31.054-07:00"We invade and kill people and we are surpris..."We invade and kill people and we are surprised when they fight back eventually? There is nothing unusual to psychoanalyze about these events."<br /><br />When did America invade Chechnya and kill anyone there? By your logic, shouldn't the Chechen extremists stick to their old tricks of blowing up large residential buildings in family neighborhoods and holding up elementary schools in Russia, since that's the country that prevents Chechnya from raiding their neighbors? Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62837826756222922712013-04-23T13:37:32.475-07:002013-04-23T13:37:32.475-07:00"oh my god, he took offense at a comparison b..."oh my god, he took offense at a comparison between his holy prophet and a wife beating, sex-addicted, prostitute frequenting plagiarist?!!"<br /><br />Well, at least, MLKJ wasn't a murderous pedophile. <br />But, yeah, I wouldn't want to meet either one of them in a dark alley. Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27597084613504398382013-04-23T12:57:37.767-07:002013-04-23T12:57:37.767-07:00Anon at 4/23/13, 9:06 AM continues to provide exce...Anon at 4/23/13, 9:06 AM continues to provide excellent arguments for continuing to import foreign muslims into our country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36835794392269333812013-04-23T12:50:18.109-07:002013-04-23T12:50:18.109-07:00http://www.ajc.com/news/ap/crime/nebraska-woman-se...http://www.ajc.com/news/ap/crime/nebraska-woman-sentenced-for-faking-hate-crime/nXQML/<br /><br />"Prosecutors say her story quickly fell apart, and that she faked the attack because she thought it would inspire change in the treatment of gay people."<br /><br />False fag operation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66308586727604979582013-04-23T12:46:53.016-07:002013-04-23T12:46:53.016-07:00"oh my god, he took offense at a comparison b..."oh my god, he took offense at a comparison between his holy prophet and a wife beating, sex-addicted, prostitute frequenting plagiarist?!!"<br /><br />If you think about it, Muhammad and MLK may have much in common. <br /><br />Muhammad plagiarized the Old and New Testament and had lots of women. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19454385635212454892013-04-23T12:44:52.628-07:002013-04-23T12:44:52.628-07:00He wasn't anti-MLK per se. He was opposed to c...He wasn't anti-MLK per se. He was opposed to comparing the great Prophet with MLK. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39147506424245552742013-04-23T12:41:57.973-07:002013-04-23T12:41:57.973-07:00I wonder if that imam is really that liberal or if...I wonder if that imam is really that liberal or if he's just making the story up for whatever reason. (Especially given the racism of Arabs towards black Muslims.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com