tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2261371524039070199..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Controlling the terms of discourseUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61027610280228293842009-06-12T22:19:24.645-07:002009-06-12T22:19:24.645-07:00The document clearly states that it is calculated ...<i>The document clearly states that it is calculated by the US gov't using data adjusted to 2005 dollars.</i> <br /><br /><br /><i>However, the inflation rate calculation was adjusted down in the 1990's. Virtually all of the gains would be flat or negative using the old calculation.</i> <br /> <br /><br /><br />Perhaps, thought you don't back that up with anything. But in any case, the point being made was the <i>relative</i> performace of Japan (and other countries with restrictive immigration policies) versus the United States.<br /><br />Unless you're prepared to argue that this (US gmt) data somehow overestimates everybody elses growth and underestimates the US's, my point stands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52829769784302896682009-06-12T09:34:05.153-07:002009-06-12T09:34:05.153-07:00"Scroll down to Table 6 to see GDP per capita..."Scroll down to Table 6 to see GDP per capita numbers for various countries over various time frames."<br /><br />I see the point that there was growth in per capita GDP. <br />The document clearly states that it is calculated by the US gov't using data adjusted to 2005 dollars.<br />However, the inflation rate calculation was adjusted down in the 1990's. Virtually all of the gains would be flat or negative using the old calculation. Now, well informed people might argue that the new method for estimating inflation is better or whatever. Fine, I simply make the point that newer figures are based on a different calculations than the pre 1990's numbers.<br /><br />Another question to ponder. How much gain in per capita GDP is required to maintain the current standard of living when a growing share of the population is retired vs. working? Generally children are cheaper than retired folks in terms of housing, medical care, services.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35329491562191058302009-06-12T09:00:23.404-07:002009-06-12T09:00:23.404-07:00"Population structure has no relationship to ..."Population structure has no relationship to per capita GDP."<br /><br />I have to be a little skeptical of that assertion. If a huge percentage are old folks and there are few in the prime creative years, say 25-35, that doesn't look like a winner. Now that is my intuition. However, just looking at Japan, it would be interesting to try to correlate the size and proportion of people in that age group with significant gains in productivity and innovation. <br /><br />Thanks for the GDP link!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70555981840704358192009-06-11T15:13:53.625-07:002009-06-11T15:13:53.625-07:00GDP data.
Scroll down to Table 6 to see GDP per ...<a href="http://www.bls.gov/fls/flsgdp.pdf" rel="nofollow">GDP data.</a> <br /><br />Scroll down to Table 6 to see GDP per capita numbers for various countries over various time frames.<br /><br />For Japan, GDP per capita has grown by an average of 1.5%/yr over the span 2000-2007.<br /><br />For the US, the figure is 1.4%.<br /><br />Looking at the period 1979-2007, Japan has grown at 2.0%/yr, and the US at 1.8%.<br /><br />In 2006-2007 the numbers are: Japan 2.1%, US 1.2%.<br /><br />The evidence contradicts the theory that Japan is facing economic doom.<br /><br />The evidence also indicates that those who imagine that the US has a rocket fueled economy thanks to immigration are kidding themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35482946660204843272009-06-11T14:28:12.695-07:002009-06-11T14:28:12.695-07:00I wish them well. They have a beautiful refined cu...<i>I wish them well. They have a beautiful refined culture and society, but they face major challenges due to their population structure.</i> <br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />Population structure has no relationship to per capita GDP. None whatsoever. It would be odd, from a capitalist theory standpoint, if any such linkage existed. Capitalist theory links per capita GDP to productivity per person, not to raw quantity of people. If you have a contrary theory, lets hear it.<br /><br />I have the GDP data you mentioned somewhere. I'll dig it up and post it later today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34224206382286103152009-06-11T11:11:27.525-07:002009-06-11T11:11:27.525-07:00"You don't say what time frame you are ta..."You don't say what time frame you are talking about, but over the long term (measured in decades) Japans GDP per capita growth has matched or exceeded that of the US. In the last year their export based economy has contracted slightly. Going forward they seem to be on far better ground than we are."<br /><br />Got any info on the per capita GDP for Japan? That seems plausible despite weak total GDP.<br />Basically the past two decades are weak. They have a high ratio of exports to imports, always a plus, but vulnerable to external forces. They have virtually no immigration, so they aren't supporting a bunch of ne'er do wells. I think they have the oldest average age and also have low total fertility rate. Given those two negatives, they have done better than one would think humanly possible. However, those negatives are poised to catch up soon. <br /><br />I wish them well. They have a beautiful refined culture and society, but they face major challenges due to their population structure.<br /><br />I agree with your assertion of USSR records keeping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50520453264065472042009-06-11T08:20:35.536-07:002009-06-11T08:20:35.536-07:00Japan's economy has grown only barely compared...<i>Japan's economy has grown only barely compared to "official" inflation rates, which are lower than the real inflation rate. So basically contraction.</i> <br /> <br /><br /><br />You don't say what time frame you are talking about, but over the long term (measured in decades) Japans GDP per capita growth has matched or exceeded that of the US. In the last year their export based economy has contracted slightly. Going forward they seem to be on far better ground than we are.<br /><br /><br /><i>Russia's economy shrank 40%, then started to "grow" back up to 1991 levels</i> <br /> <br /> <br /><br />It is extremely difficult to compare numbers from the communist era to those afterwards. Among other problems, the communist era figures were whatever the Politburo felt they should be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52102147083957468982009-06-10T22:34:03.078-07:002009-06-10T22:34:03.078-07:00"it's sad to watch Truth debase himself s..."it's sad to watch Truth debase himself so."<br /><br />I didn't know you cared Dawg...That kinda makes a Bruva feel all misty inside.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72840522335889260572009-06-10T14:54:13.531-07:002009-06-10T14:54:13.531-07:00Japan's economy has grown only barely compared...Japan's economy has grown only barely compared to "official" inflation rates, which are lower than the real inflation rate. So basically contraction.<br /><br />Russia's economy shrank 40%, then started to "grow" back up to 1991 levels, so, I guess if you think that counts. Really their economy is so tied to commodities and the price of oil has gone up since 1991, so...<br /><br />Any country just selling off its natural resources can "grow" until the resources run out. <br /><br />Anyway, I agree with you again on GDP and per capita GDP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55363149237268540172009-06-10T13:35:49.265-07:002009-06-10T13:35:49.265-07:00As we can also see (according to your statistics) ...<i>As we can also see (according to your statistics) Mr. hardworking taxpayer, of every dollar you so willingly donated to the welfare system, "down on their luck" blacks and whites took roughly the same bite. That should make you happy, shouldn't it?</i> <br /><br />I think we should replace Truth with Homie the Clown. We'd get better and more honest arguments that way.<br /><br />Plus Homie is a television character so he presumably has no pride; it's sad to watch Truth debase himself so.<br /><br />~ SvigorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10093164010084051102009-06-09T13:18:38.505-07:002009-06-09T13:18:38.505-07:00Japan has a shrinking economy.
It does not, ...<i>Japan has a shrinking economy.</i> <br /> <br /> <br /><br />It does not, unless you cherrypick a small snapshot of time to suit your purpose.<br /><br /><br /><i>Sounds plausible in theory, but has never actually happened. </i> <br /> <br /> <br />It has happened. Russia, for instance, has a growing economy and falling population.<br /><br /><br /><i>I agree that politicians/gov't should use per capita GDP instead of GDP as a preferred metric. Don't know if that will ever happen.</i> <br /> <br /><br /><br />They do produce the GDP per capita numbers.<br /><br />From the standpint of the ruling class in any country, it is better to be the ruler of a country with a big GDP and low GDP per capita rather than a country with a low GDP and high GDP per capita.<br /><br />Who wouldn't rather run China rather than Belgium?<br /><br />But the typical citizen is or should be more concerned with GDP per capita.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42699163186097284212009-06-09T10:59:03.715-07:002009-06-09T10:59:03.715-07:00"My criticism would be that WOMEN, particular..."My criticism would be that WOMEN, particularly White Women, benefit greatly from Affirmative Action."<br /><br /><br />Many years ago, in grad school, I read the exact same thing in a textbook. Naturally they were lamenting that black men were helped the least. The author thought white women were less threatening and more educated(code for able) and therefore got the better jobs.<br /><br />The real problem is that smart white women contribute too few children. It would be much easier to make the case that we are full and can't take more if in fact the native born population were growing even slightly. Also there would be more like minded people to vote to limit immigration. Instead all of the population growth in the US is from immigration. The birthrate for native born Americans is below replacement. The birth rate of immigrants is nearly double that of native born Americans. The nice gov't men include all children born in the US when calculating the birth rate so it totals up to just replacement rate.<br /><br />If half of the under 18 population are NAM, clearly whites are at fault. Their suicidal family planning is to blame. AA didn't cause the drop in white births. <br /><br />Not surprising, success often requires delayed gratification. Earn and enjoy now or train children to earn and enjoy later. Now that whites have eaten the cake, they no longer have it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20281681602578415012009-06-09T10:27:06.637-07:002009-06-09T10:27:06.637-07:00"Lot's of countries have a low birth rate..."Lot's of countries have a low birth rate and still manage not to "suck in" immigration. You don't need a high birth rate to not have immigration, you merely need a country run by an "elite" which does not hate its own country. Japan is an instructive example."<br /><br />Japan has a shrinking economy. <br /><br /><br />"All you need is productivity growing faster then the population shrinks. In any case the important metric is not GDP but GDP per capita. In which case even a static GDP coupled with a falling population suffices."<br /><br />Sounds plausible in theory, but has never actually happened. <br /><br />I agree that politicians/gov't should use per capita GDP instead of GDP as a preferred metric. Don't know if that will ever happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29084798621987029132009-06-09T09:22:55.083-07:002009-06-09T09:22:55.083-07:00Affirmative Action at iSteve Komment Kontrol - tha...<i>Affirmative Action at iSteve Komment Kontrol - that's pretty funny</i>.<br /><br />How do you know Steve is approving the comments? Steve put up a post a while back where he showed that his son had a credit card. Maybe Steve has his son sort through his comments to pay for all of his trips to Burrito Barn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51249019379863405932009-06-09T08:20:36.592-07:002009-06-09T08:20:36.592-07:00>As we can also see (according to your statisti...>As we can also see (according to your statistics) Mr. hardworking taxpayer, of every dollar you so willingly donated to the welfare system, "down on their luck" blacks and whites took roughly the same bite.<<br /><br />Truthie, you obviously knew that there was a flaw in your reasoning big enough to drive a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRKOmAPejNQ" rel="nofollow">Cadillac</a> through before you even hit "enter."<br /><br />Since you have no interest in getting your arguments right, can't you at leat manage to be in some way entertaining?kudzu bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865247508134005274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22782559110747358902009-06-09T07:22:49.461-07:002009-06-09T07:22:49.461-07:00"Affirmative Action at iSteve Komment Kontrol..."Affirmative Action at iSteve Komment Kontrol - that's pretty funny."<br /><br />you picked a good moniker Lucius; I'd keep it.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91475807609203508032009-06-08T22:59:35.307-07:002009-06-08T22:59:35.307-07:00Brutus: This Truth character must have some incrim...<b>Brutus:</b> <i>This Truth character must have some incriminating photos of Steve-O to be able to post his ridiculous garbage when there's constant carping from some reasonable people here about posts being censored.</i> <br /><br />Affirmative Action at iSteve Komment Kontrol - that's pretty funny.Paranoid Bitchy Incessant Whinernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21136924751498236182009-06-08T20:00:34.413-07:002009-06-08T20:00:34.413-07:00Yes sir, I read your stats the first time.
The p...Yes sir, I read your stats the first time. <br /><br />The point however is this:<br /><br />Of every $1.00 that YOU paid from YOUR pocket into the welfare system, 39 cents went to blacks and 38 cents went to whites.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64459166053721639032009-06-08T19:53:26.753-07:002009-06-08T19:53:26.753-07:00Truth,
Since Whites are (approx) 65% of the popul...Truth,<br /><br />Since Whites are (approx) 65% of the population <br />and Blacks are (approx) 13% of the population,<br />that means there are (approx) 5X as many Whites in America as Blacks.<br /><br />Since the # of welfare eaters in both races is (approx) the same, (approx 39%) that means Blacks are 5X more likely to be welfare eaters.<br />Get it now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21709766051650015762009-06-08T18:16:41.336-07:002009-06-08T18:16:41.336-07:00This Truth character must have some incriminating ...This Truth character must have some incriminating photos of Steve-O to be able to post his ridiculous garbage when there's constant carping from some reasonable people here about posts being censored.<br /><br />BrutusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50628018004143570962009-06-08T16:37:16.882-07:002009-06-08T16:37:16.882-07:00"...down on their luck" blacks and white..."...down on their luck" blacks and whites took roughly the same bite. That should make you happy, shouldn't it?"<br /><br />Roughly the SAME bite?<br /><br />Eh, PROPORTIONALLY, not, according to this:<br />__ <br /><br />White-67.3% of the population and 38.8% of welfare recipients.<br /><br />Black-12.8% of the population and 39.8% of welfare recipients.<br />__Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74615922868096861382009-06-08T13:55:11.269-07:002009-06-08T13:55:11.269-07:00"i defy anyone here to name an institution th..."i defy anyone here to name an institution that has and meets racial quotas.<br /><br /><br /><br />The United States government, for one. US colleges for two. Any other silly questions?<br /><br />Well, blacks are far underrepresented per capita, in most US colleges, including Ivy league and sought-after public schools, so I don't know if that qualifies as a "quota".<br /><br />As we can also see (according to your statistics) Mr. hardworking taxpayer, of every dollar you so willingly donated to the welfare system, "down on their luck" blacks and whites took roughly the same bite. That should make you happy, shouldn't it?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63935334911186300332009-06-08T07:58:08.451-07:002009-06-08T07:58:08.451-07:00This is for the incorrectly-monikered Truth!
US W...This is for the incorrectly-monikered Truth!<br /><br />US Welfare Recipients By Race:<br /><br />White-67.3% of the population and 38.8% of welfare recipients.<br /><br />Black-12.8% of the population and 39.8% of welfare recipients.<br /><br />Hispanic-14.4% of the population and 15.7% of welfare recipients.<br /><br />Asian-4.3% of population and 2.4% of welfare recipients.<br /><br />"Other"-3.3% of the population and 1.2% of welfare recipients.<br /><br />As we can see, if we choose to face facts, that whites and Asians a far less likely to be welfare clients than blacks and Hispanics.<br /><br />BrutusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73668131294272332572009-06-08T03:39:28.032-07:002009-06-08T03:39:28.032-07:00"Hanging with 'Mr. T' lately?"
..."Hanging with 'Mr. T' lately?"<br /><br />'Mr. Testy' of course:-)!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27839574197994180452009-06-07T23:06:30.869-07:002009-06-07T23:06:30.869-07:00"Hanging with 'Mr. T' lately?"
..."Hanging with 'Mr. T' lately?"<br /><br />I didn't get it, so I can only assume that that was a reference that only one with a 100+ IQ would get. <br /><br />You have to remember to whom you are talking here, Sport.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.com