tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2289431936326820823..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Generation LengthUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75556107198064787132009-06-27T15:20:24.914-07:002009-06-27T15:20:24.914-07:00"Read something over the weekend that this re..."Read something over the weekend that this reminded me of. The oldest man in the world died in Japan Friday at 113.<br /><br />He had 8 children. Those 8 children had 25 children. Those 25 children had 52 children. Those 52 have had... 6 children. Really illustrated both the falling birth rates and the slowing of the generational cycle in Japan."<br /><br />Compare this guy's family with that of Ms. Elma Wickey, an Amish woman who recently died in Indiana at 91.<br /><br />She also had 8 children. But her 8 children gave her 75 grandchildren. And her 75 grandchildren have given her, to date, 447 great-grandchildren. Though the vast majority of her great-grandchildren are under 20, the ones who aren't have given her, to date, 38 great-great-grandchildren. <br /><br />http://www.decaturdailydemocrat.com/content/view/165401/32/1/1/<br /><br />Imagine dying with over 500 direct descendants.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327785256936928799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22917153428448464092009-06-26T13:23:02.447-07:002009-06-26T13:23:02.447-07:00"Protestants did this?"
As I said, they...<i>"Protestants did this?"<br /><br />As I said, they certainly helped, and are far more culpable than most. I don't think it's a point of debate here at Steve's blog</i>.<br /><br />It is a point of debate for me. I brought up Ted Kennedy because I think the Catholic church is culpable in this mess. Right now Catholic hospitals in Massachusetts are preparing to offer abortions. Second Ted Kennedy has promoted a lot of this crap, and he has never been excommunicated for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52005536903045038402009-06-26T10:47:46.168-07:002009-06-26T10:47:46.168-07:00The numbers are certainly daunting on the face of ...The numbers are certainly daunting on the face of it; but what’s truly problematic here is not that, effectively, the human ecology of the northern hemisphere is changing; what’s more troubling is that we (meaning Northern Europeans) are utterly paralyzed in adapting personally and socially to these changes. and far from blaming “the liberals” the problem is more with ideological perspective of conservatives, who’ve clung to an outmoded model of collective decision-making that is long gone--if it ever existed in the first place. <br /><br />What I’m speaking of here is that the perspective of conservative debate still takes place form the bird’s eye view of <i>what we should all do</i>, as a singular, monolithic culture. This presumes that there is such a monolith of culture that can be turned <i>en masse</i> by simply controlling some mythic center of communication that could be captured and simply switched from broadcasting the poisonous, self-destructive message of <i>the other</i>, and which could possibly be made to belong to <i>us</i>. <br /><br />Again, this presumes that such a center exists. But it also presumes that the issues of “the decline in white fertility” or “mass third world migration” are secular and superficial--in that they are caused simply by certain messages being incidentally repeated in the media--and have no deeper, structural antecedents. And that, furthermore, these antecedents have not become internalized to a degree that, even if they were to be eliminated, change would be slow--too slow--in coming to make any kind of difference in the demography-as-destiny of the western world. <br /><br />It is in this way that a debate that should be conducted in the realm of concrete, personal actions gets transposed into a fantasy land of “what things would be like if I were king” where one can, ultimately, wash one’s hands of any responsibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33140752153378270632009-06-25T15:22:31.702-07:002009-06-25T15:22:31.702-07:00How'd women get roped into "feminism,&quo...<i>How'd women get roped into "feminism," anyway? Our grandmothers had kids starting early, commonly at 18-22, and were a lot happier than modern women. For one thing, our grandmas weren't strapped with tens of thousands of dollars of student loans to pay off from worthless P.C. college degrees.</i><br /><br />Feminism happened at the same time integration did.<br /><br />If you want one group of women to breed, you have to get another group to do or pay for their housework and childcare, either directly or indirectly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30127192203399713082009-06-25T06:44:22.298-07:002009-06-25T06:44:22.298-07:00"Protestants did this?"
As I said, they..."Protestants did this?"<br /><br />As I said, they certainly helped, and are far more culpable than most. I don't think it's a point of debate here at Steve's blog. <br /><br />"What about Ted Kennedy?" <br /><br />What about him? <br /><br />"What about all of those Evangelicals that have been fighting the culture war?"<br /><br />Some portion of the folk want a little more out of their broader racial group than poorly-dressed halfwits getting bonked on the head by Benny Hinn and quoting the <br />Torah and anathematizing Darwin and adopting Asian cast-offs. I don't know what culture war they're fighting, but any who put belief in the miracles of Jebu above the realities of nature aren't "fighting" for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38945342347009268232009-06-25T06:28:45.487-07:002009-06-25T06:28:45.487-07:00Does your "they" refer to the secular/Pr...Does your "they" refer to the secular/Protestant smarties or the Mormons?<br /><br />The former.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37687644277079357512009-06-25T06:27:23.877-07:002009-06-25T06:27:23.877-07:00"If anyone else has a better idea please shar..."If anyone else has a better idea please share it."<br /><br />Orthodox Jewry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23844111210906516122009-06-25T00:25:27.241-07:002009-06-25T00:25:27.241-07:00When Emma is 64 as a prudent middle class retiree ...When Emma is 64 as a prudent middle class retiree she can fund 529 plans for her 4 grandchildren which would seem more appealing to a middle class educated person than having a more grandchildren and great grandchildren than she could reasonably get to know well. Racking up raw numbers is not as attractive as doing one's best to insure that none of the grandchildren fall into poverty. Think of it this way: if raw numbers really mattered there would be first world men deliberately traveling the third world to father as many children as possible. This would provide genetic variation among the descendents and the children who flourish would be tougher than pampered first world children. The cost would would be the suffering among the less successful children and nobody really wants that.Not the father of a multitudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67968859002781859662009-06-24T20:21:45.122-07:002009-06-24T20:21:45.122-07:00"We should be encouraging secular/Protestant ...<i>"We should be encouraging secular/Protestant smarties to follow the Mormon model."<br /><br />They helped put us here. I welcome their demise</i>.<br /><br />Protestants did this? What about Ted Kennedy? What about all of those Evangelicals that have been fighting the culture war?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67949029298080367912009-06-24T19:57:37.621-07:002009-06-24T19:57:37.621-07:00someone wrote: "We should be encouraging secu...someone wrote: <i>"We should be encouraging secular/Protestant smarties to follow the Mormon model."</i><br /><br />someone #2 wrote; <i>They helped put us here. I welcome their demise.</i><br /><br />Does your "they" refer to the secular/Protestant smarties or the Mormons?<br /><br />------------------<br /><br />Non-Mormon dad wrote:<br />"I am thinking that if I want my three young daughters to grow up, find good husbands when they are 18 or 19 and produce a very large number of grandchildren for me that perhaps my wife and I should convert to mormonism?"<br /><br />Participation in all Mormon programs (outside of the temples) for young-children, teens and adults is open to all whether you officially join or not.Bookslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15077778974473538408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77878242841729332732009-06-24T17:54:31.853-07:002009-06-24T17:54:31.853-07:00"I know a certain very bright Mormon family. ..."I know a certain very bright Mormon family. Very mathematical and musical. All five kids married at young ages and began popping them out. E.g. the smartest of the lot is a 30 (male) math professor and has three kids. "<br />_____________<br /><br />this is very true. I am not Mormon but I travel to utah often on business. The mormons seem successful at getting young people to marry early and have lots of kids.<br /><br />I am thinking that if I want my three young daughters to grow up, find good husbands when they are 18 or 19 and produce a very large number of grandchildren for me that perhaps my wife and I should convert to mormonism? <br /><br />I mean, overall I know of no other religion in the usa that I can possibly join that has as good a track record of producing economically productive, patriotic young people that get marrried young and produce four or five kids each. <br /><br />If anyone else has a better idea please share itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68613063376075082162009-06-24T16:25:44.936-07:002009-06-24T16:25:44.936-07:00"...abortion-scarred Russian women have 2-3 k..."...abortion-scarred Russian women have 2-3 kids, and those kids are tough little scrappers."<br /><br />Good, we're gonna need them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64159962449610744822009-06-24T14:47:19.222-07:002009-06-24T14:47:19.222-07:00pzed:
"if tiffany's genes are more evolut...pzed:<br />"if tiffany's genes are more evolutionarily fit b/c she reproduces at a younger age and assortatively mates, then why is anyone complaining?"<br /><br />Being evolutionarily fit - good at reproducing - carries no moral weight. AIDs and Herpes are evolutionarily fit, if they reproduce above replacement weight. The Shakers were evolutionarily unfit, but they made some nice tables. Rats and rabbits are evolutionarily very fit, while pandas, not so much. Doesn't mean pandas are bad or should be exterminated.simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74118741930009774412009-06-24T14:42:06.094-07:002009-06-24T14:42:06.094-07:00anon:
"Combining all this, it is very likely ...anon:<br />"Combining all this, it is very likely that 80% of children in London are non-White"<br /><br />A view from the front line:<br /><br />In the local schools in my part of London around 1/30 of the pupils are white, going by a rough head count. But most middle class whites have kids, who you see in the play grounds, then move from London when they reach school age, or send them to private school. Also there are a lot of east European kids who are about to be old enough for school - my 2 year old son got attacked by a Russian 3 year old in the play ground today. Luckily my son is part Finnish and built like a champion wrestler, so he was unperturbed.<br /><br />I am worried about what happens when he goes to school and is dealing with knife & razor wielding Somali 8 year olds, though.<br /><br />The trends overall are pretty complex. I'm sure that indigenous British are a small minority in London schools; and the Irish population has decreased. A fair number of Poles have gone home, albeit many seem to be staying. OTOH those Russians are immigrants from the Baltic Republics and they sure as Hell aren't going anywhere. The same NHS that helps the Somalis pop out 8 kids apiece helps abortion-scarred Russian women have 2-3 kids, and those kids are tough little scrappers.<br /><br />Overall though, in demographics terms the Somalis have got to look like the winners. They're terrorising the poor al Qaeda wannabe Pakistani street gangs in my neighourbood - not much Islamic solidarity there. The current Somali teens are the children brought here not long ago; when their UK born siblings reach maturity I think it's going to get really nasty. Pakistanis, Brits, Russians - without getting seriously organised, none of us are going to do well. And if the Arab radical preachers incorporate the Somalis & Pakistanis successfully into a broad pan-Islamic front, London will be as Muslim as Leicester.Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86809622012869584152009-06-24T13:36:44.695-07:002009-06-24T13:36:44.695-07:00How'd women get roped into "feminism,&quo...<i>How'd women get roped into "feminism," anyway? Our grandmothers had kids starting early, commonly at 18-22, and were a lot happier than modern women</i>.<br /><br />Hard core feminists come from the Marxist tradition that sees every action in terms of power struggles between groups. The happiness of individuals isn't something they spend a lot of time worrying about.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10330712047609650184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20347140965685334692009-06-24T13:09:58.420-07:002009-06-24T13:09:58.420-07:00History is 'written' by those who decide w...History is 'written' by those who decide what can and can't be discussed. Steve Sailer wrote a book on Obama, but the MSM and mainstream academia will not discuss it, and therefore, most people will never hear about it.<br /><br />Same with crime. Most people never heard of the Knoxville Massacre whereas we all know about Emmitt Till because one is openly discussed and remembered while the other can only be found through search on the web.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29142113323351548502009-06-24T12:12:30.605-07:002009-06-24T12:12:30.605-07:00How'd women get roped into "feminism,&quo...How'd women get roped into "feminism," anyway? Our grandmothers had kids starting early, commonly at 18-22, and were a lot happier than modern women. For one thing, our grandmas weren't strapped with tens of thousands of dollars of student loans to pay off from worthless P.C. college degrees.John Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795977089953532965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78924044190864394812009-06-24T10:01:45.881-07:002009-06-24T10:01:45.881-07:00"OT, but have you looked into the fatal commu..."OT, but have you looked into the fatal commuter train crash in D.C.? The conductor was apparently a 42 year old black single mother, with only a few months of experience. It would be interesting to know if she was an affirmative action hire and if her error helped lead to the crash."<br /><br />Virtually all the DC metro drivers are black. They dont' need AA. Non-black drivers would though.<br />Possibly there is an AA trak for females, but I doubt it any special consideration had to be dredged up to hire her. As a previous bus driver and nursing student (no info on her performance in these areas) she was as good a candidate as any.<br />I ride the metro every day and have been in the first and last car between Ft. Totten and Takoma countless times in the last 30 years. <br /><br />My guess is cell phones were <br />Iinvolved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37872098660284690492009-06-24T09:14:08.031-07:002009-06-24T09:14:08.031-07:00Anonymous: Statistics leaked to the press in Londo...<b>Anonymous:</b> <i>Statistics leaked to the press in London, England indicate that 51% of schollchildren do not speak English at home.</i> <br /><br />Do you have any sources for that?<br /><br />BTW, the very same thing appears to be happening just north of the border, in Toronto:<br /><br /><b>Explosive, super-secret Toronto demography report</b> <br /><a href="http://spengler.atimes.net/viewtopic.php?t=9793" rel="nofollow">spengler.atimes.net</a> <br /><br /><i>A survey of Grade 7 to 12 students finds 42 per cent of high school students were born outside Canada and East Asians and South Asians make up a larger proportion than whites...</i> <br /><br />Say hello to Sharia Law.<br /><br />And don that Burka.<br /><br />PS: Canadian immigrants from the Pacific Rim have extinction-level fertility rates, just like their sistren back home:<br /><br /><b>Report on the Demographic Situation in Canada</b> <br />128 PAGE PDF FILE<br /><a href="http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-209-x/91-209-x2003000-eng.pdf" rel="nofollow">statcan.ca</a> <br /><br /><i>...With a total fertility rate of 1.94 children per woman in 1995-1996 and 1.70 in 2000-2001, visible minority women had higher fertility than non aboriginal women in the rest of the population for whom the figures were 1.63 and 1.51 children per woman. The total fertility rate of Aboriginal women was 2.86 and 2.60 for the same years. There were significant fertility differences among the various visible minority groups. Fertility rates were highest for women belonging to the Arab and West Asian groups, with a total fertility rate of 2.60 and 1.99 children per woman in 2000-2001. On the other hand, Korean (1.30), Chinese (1.23) and Japanese (1.18) women had lower total fertility rates than the national average...</i> <br /><br />Compare:<br /><br /><b>IQ and the Wealth of Nations</b> <br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org</a> <br /><br />Hong Kong: 107<br />South Korea: 106<br />Japan: 105<br />Taiwan: 104<br /><br /><b>List of countries and territories by fertility rate</b> <br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org</a> <br /><br />Japan, UN: 1.27<br />Japan, CIA: 1.22<br />South Korea, UN: 1.21<br />South Korea, CIA: 1.20<br />Taiwan, UN: N/A<br />Taiwan, CIA: 1.13<br />Hong Kong, UN: 0.97<br />Hong Kong, CIA: 1.00<br /> <br /> <br />The Derb says that <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTcyYWE2NmY5MzExNGM5ZjhiZjI2ZDI3MDNmNWUxYzY" rel="nofollow">Pop Culture is Filth</a>.<br /><br />I say that <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTllYmRjOGVlZDc5MmExY2ZlZWJhZjZhMDgzZWQxNDY" rel="nofollow">Modernity is Death</a>.Lucius Vorenusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48075887888079700802009-06-24T07:48:18.091-07:002009-06-24T07:48:18.091-07:00But if both Emma and Tiffany and their offspring m...<i>But if both Emma and Tiffany and their offspring mate assortatively then Tiffany's genes are a lot more evolutionary fit.</i><br /><br />if tiffany's genes are more evolutionarily fit b/c she reproduces at a younger age and assortatively mates, then why is anyone complaining?<br /><br />if you meant to say emma's genes (and her kids mates' genes)are more fit, well apparently they aren't b/c the environment is selecting against them.pzedhttp://undeadastronauts.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5775755363975786362009-06-24T07:44:48.320-07:002009-06-24T07:44:48.320-07:00I accidentally put this comment on the wrong comme...I accidentally put this comment on the wrong comment thread. So, I am resubmitting it here.<br /><br />This topic is covered in the film, Demographic Winter.<br /><br />The film explains the impact of falling fertility on prosperity. <br /><br />The goal of avoiding overpopulation seems reasonable. The current situation suggests that those most willing and most able to change behaviors to more sustainable modern lifestyles are also the people who are decreasing quickly, while those lacking the interest and ability to help develop sustainable lifestyles are increasing.<br /><br />Zimbabwe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38097975868459852572009-06-24T07:20:12.536-07:002009-06-24T07:20:12.536-07:00Gulp. This doesn't end well at all.Gulp. This doesn't end well at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28282048835489504282009-06-24T04:08:21.426-07:002009-06-24T04:08:21.426-07:00Statistics leaked to the press in London, England ...Statistics leaked to the press in London, England indicate that 51% of schollchildren do not speak English at home.<br /> By today's standards, 51% doesn't sound too dramatic, but let's dig a little deeper.A huge proportion of London's population is in fact of carribean descent - and they speak English as the mother tongue, another huge proportion is mixed race black/white, again English speaking.Add the fact th mass immigration has been going on for so long now that threre must be as least as many 2nd and 3rd generation non-White children in London as there are 1st generation.<br /> Combining all this, it is very likely that 80% of children in London are non-White.This number will only increase in the future.<br /> Furthermore, the majority of Whites in London are in the old to elderly bracket and presumaby will pass in the next few decades.<br /> The upshot is that London's demographic revolution will be very, very rapid and with an accelerating trend to the point where in a generation or so Whites will be a distinct rarity on the streets of London - a proposition unthinkable 50 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6926232402651457322009-06-23T22:27:03.287-07:002009-06-23T22:27:03.287-07:00Lets compare across cultures. Raheema has an arra...Lets compare across cultures. Raheema has an arranged marriage at age 15 and produces a child every 2 years until she is 45. Meanwhile, Megan completes her masters and then her Phd and goes on to a lucrative corporate career and finally gets around to having her first child at age 40 and decides one is enough. I think I see where this is going in a few generations...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37857466779567413722009-06-23T21:15:07.501-07:002009-06-23T21:15:07.501-07:00Read something over the weekend that this reminded...Read something over the weekend that this reminded me of. The oldest man in the world died in Japan Friday at 113.<br /><br />He had 8 children. Those 8 children had 25 children. Those 25 children had 52 children. Those 52 have had... 6 children. Really illustrated both the falling birth rates and the slowing of the generational cycle in Japan.Sidewaysnoreply@blogger.com