tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2317679038834279889..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Mrs. Smith Goes to WashingtonUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75017517760684691992008-09-02T20:21:00.000-07:002008-09-02T20:21:00.000-07:00"Anonymous said..."You think we're all "inherently..."Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/>"You think we're all "inherently bloodthirsty" then get your nasty butt over to Iraq and put yourself in the line of fire."<BR/><BR/>Ahhh, the chickenhawk gambit, useless as an argument but a great way to flag an idiot."<BR/><BR/>Dear Mr. Anonymous. It's difficult to keep all of you Anonyms straight, so I'll call you Anonymous 1, and the guy who replied to you Anonymous 2.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that history is going to go on, despite what Francis Fukuyama wrote. It will go on, and it will, as you say, go on being bloody. Most people whom one might call paleo-conservatives, or traditionalists, or reactionaries or whatever, know this. They know this instintively. They don't believe in a brilliant enlightened future in the radiant uplands of human hopes and aspirations. They pretty much think that life is hard, the world cruel, and men wicked. I don't know where people got the idea that we are a bunch of hippy-dippy flower-child pacifists.<BR/><BR/>I believe in pursuing our national interests in an honorable and practical way. I also know that empire ruins nations - financially, and more important, morally. Gibbon understood this, when he talked about the "Orontes flowing into the Tiber". I.e., as Rome involved itself in places like Syria, it inevitably became more like Syria. Just as we are finding that as we involve ourselves more in Mexico, Iraq, and Somalia, this country becomes more like Mexico, Iraq, and Somalia, if for no other reason, than that those people come here, become citizens, and vote.<BR/><BR/>And I don't think the Chickenhawk argument is necessarily inappropriate, although it was wrong of Anonymous 2 to throw that at you. (Anon. 2 apparently subscribes to all that World Trade Center Conspiracy "loose-change" false-flag crap too, even invoking the Reichstag fire, which just shows that Paleocons can be stuck in the 1930's too).<BR/><BR/>However, a point is reached, when someone argues at great length about our sacred duty as the indispensible nation to right the wrongs of the world and fight evil where ever it may appear, that I do honestly begin to wonder, well why don't YOU fight then? There are plenty of neocon journalists and pundits who are of military age. Why don't they join this great adventure? I suppose they think they are fighting by writing columns. As one of the fan-boys at Ace-of-Spades said, he's fighting terrorism with his keyboard. Yeah, right - and I'm fighting it in this comfy chair, with a big brandy and a cigar.<BR/><BR/>As I said, I'm not leveling this charge at you, and think it was unfair of Anon. 2 to do so.<BR/><BR/>"Assistant Village Idiot said...<BR/><BR/>martin, I agree that such an approach to Afghanistan would have been far superior, in general and in specific. However, it is never going to happen, anywhere, anytime in this country."<BR/><BR/>Well, of course you are right, at least for now, as evidenced by our two picks for President this year. Whether practical in the near term or not though, I think returning sanity to how we govern our nation is important if we want to still have a nation. It's neither practical nor convenient for a junkie to kick his heroin habit, but it may be necessary to stop from becoming dead. And how practical or convenient is being dead? Practical politics, as now defined, are not very practical in the long run.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I've enjoyed this conversation with both of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2325959531852148642008-09-02T18:00:00.000-07:002008-09-02T18:00:00.000-07:00"You think we're all "inherently bloodthirsty" the..."You think we're all "inherently bloodthirsty" then get your nasty butt over to Iraq and put yourself in the line of fire."<BR/><BR/>Ahhh, the chickenhawk gambit, useless as an argument but a great way to flag an idiot.<BR/><BR/>If you disagree, please respond on a computer that you yourself constructed because of your deep disdain for the division of labor.<BR/><BR/>Idiot. It's almost like you'd like me to go to Iraq and die because you found one comment I wrote on a blog. How non-bloodthirsty of you.<BR/><BR/>However, if we're giving travel recommendations, I'd recommend you check out a library, find the history section and read a bit before you start lecturing me about our shared innate pacifism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60892812594860340892008-09-02T16:33:00.000-07:002008-09-02T16:33:00.000-07:00martin, I agree that such an approach to Afghanist...martin, I agree that such an approach to Afghanistan would have been far superior, in general and in specific. However, it is never going to happen, anywhere, anytime in this country. It goes beyond discussion of policy difference to the level of "wish." Thus, I try to advocate for things that might actually happen. <BR/><BR/>PJ O'Rourke would be a great Senator from my district (Really. Even drunk he's better than most people sober). But he's not running, so I have a Sununu sign in my yard.<BR/><BR/>You may be right in that we are now in an era where nothing like WWII will occur again. We may be so interconnected now that there is never again going to much chance of defeating an enemy, only of managing conflicts. But I think we might still come near to thorough defeats, and should still consider them. That it will never be done in the way that you and I think best is unfortunate, but not determinative. I view Iraq and Afghanistan not as wasteful enterprises (though they certainly could qualify) but as half-a-loaf realistic solutions, better than the alternatives.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37764678594399575772008-09-02T12:14:00.000-07:002008-09-02T12:14:00.000-07:00Open Letter to LuciousHi Lucious,Just checking in ...Open Letter to Lucious<BR/><BR/>Hi Lucious,<BR/>Just checking in w/the site and saw your message above. I thought to paste in some thoughts that speak to your questions. When I get a bit more time later, I answer some more of your other questions. <BR/><BR/>"Now, let's move on the burning question: how, and why, is Mu of all people, a Republican???<BR/><BR/>Well, when one really thinks about it, taking my Western chart into account, its a no brainer-I was born a Conservative. W/a Capricorn Asc and Venus, boh squared by Saturn, and a Taurus Moon in the 4 and accidentally dignified at that, its fairly easy to see that I tend to favor that which is more conservative and traditional as a rule. But there are a few other salient points aout my chart that explains things.<BR/><BR/>Because, when you take my racial and ethnic background into account, it is highly unusual to imagine an urban, blue collar, Hip Hop loving Brotha, being a Republican. In addition to the aforementioned specifics, I also have the ruler of my Sun, which is Jupiter, in conjunction w/Uranus, something that tends to not get as much "press" as other features in my chart, and indeed this is borne out in my life reality-how often is it that I'm referred to as "unoriginal", a "parrot", even "brainwashed"? And yet, to be a Black Conservative, to go against the pack/herd mentality of so many African Americans, is I think the epitome of Individualism. I think for myself. Believe it or not.<BR/><BR/>Most of my brethren don't think about issues, trust me, I know. They react in a visceral way to things, like Race-and don't let anyone tell you different, the Number One reason WHY something like 95% or more of all Africans Americans vote Democrat is because, rightly or wrongly, they view the Republicans as stompdown racists. And you know what? There's a lot of truth to the assertion.<BR/><BR/>What they don't want to admit, however, is that the Dems, back in the day, and today in our time, has its fair share of stompdown racists, too. Obama's presence this year has proven that in the present tense, and historically, the Dixiecrats were the ones hatin' on MLK & Co.<BR/><BR/>In fact, when one actually studies history in this regard, they'll find that up until relatively recently in American History, Black folks voted overwhelmingly Republican. This was to be expected, in gratitude to the Great Emancipator, Abraham Lincoln, during the Civil War to end Slavery. Some of the biggest and best known names in Black America, such as MLK, Medger Evers and Jackie Robinson, were Republicans.<BR/><BR/>It was Nixon and his "Southern Strategy", along w/Johnson's hard pushes on the Dixiecrats in terms of landmark Civil Rights legislation, that turned the tide. The Dixiecrats, still embittered by the losses during the Civil War among other things, turned to the Republicans, while at the very same time, the GOP vote in Congress was what made it possible for the aforementioned Civil Rights bills to pass and become law. This fact gets little airtime, and its a shame because people should have all the facts before they make a decision. At least that's my view.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, getting back to the vitriol levelled at Black Cons by the Black Left, for many years I've witnessed this. I used to belong to a Black Male debating society back in the 90s, an at the time Clarence Thomas was being considered for the Supreme Court. I was the youngest member of the society, and I was appalled and taken aback by the sheer hatred that was levelled at Thomas by my elders; it went beyond mere or even passionate disagreement over policy, but went into out and out character assassination. His very allegiance was called into question, chiefly because he had the nerve to marry a White woman!-that had to be proof positive that he was a sellout. Wow.<BR/><BR/>I saw the same things w/Condi Rice and Colin Powell, too. Not just disagreement over policy, but vicious personal attacks. It didn't matter that Rice actually lived in the Deep Cracker South, that she actually knew the four little girls who were blew up by the domestic terror group the KKK; it didn't matter that Powell was a two tour Vietnam vet and had ordered men into battle and watched many of them die, dit matter that he earned every star on his shoulders, one of the final soldiers who could go from the ground up to become a general. And it didn't matter that Thomas was a member of the Black Student Union at college and fought against discrimination while there, that his fellow religious school students, the White ones, proclaimed happiness on the day King was killed.<BR/><BR/>Wow.<BR/><BR/>Why do I support the GOP? Simple.<BR/><BR/>I think its a good idea that you should keep more of what you earn. That people have a basic, human right to defend themselves. That marriage, between one man and one woman, is not only a basically good idea, but has proven to work, most of the time. That we shouldn't take such a cavalier stance as to whether the unborn have a right to exist, while at the same time have the nerve to say that some have a right to choose if they become a parent and others don't.<BR/><BR/>I don't support laws like VAWA that gives someone the right to, on their sole whim and on their sole say so, have me locked up, and removed from my own home, that I built w/my own hands. Nor do I like the idea that such a law can impose on me who I can associate with. My other half is foriegn born and though I didn't use a Mail Order Bride service, if I did, I would have to register for all kinds of criminal background checks before I could even talk to anybody overseas (Please note that I have Venus ruling the 9 house!). And just consider the irony here-I went to prison to protect a woman, now I would have to register as a criminal offender under the rubric of a law that ostensibly protects women! You can't make this stuff up.<BR/><BR/>I don't like the idea of having to spend considerable amounts of my tax money to pay for sex I'm not getting, and that's exactly what happens when I'm paying for the lady accross the street from me to have her 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th kid by as many baby daddies. Nor do I like the idea of an outfit like Planned Parenthood getting my tax money to see to it that 1500 Black babies meet a cruel end everyday, contributing to the some 40 million babies aborted (killed) since Roe came down. If those who support PP would actually writeout checks out of their pocket instead of feeding off the govt's teat I could live with that. But as it stands now, what an insult to injury such an outfit is, especially considering its completely racist history.<BR/><BR/>I don't like the Obama/Bayh sponsored Responsible Father & Healthy Families Act, which has yet to actually pass, but is in the barrell. They mention the word "child support" almost 70 times, and not a mention is made about paternal rights.<BR/><BR/>I like the idea that a central idea of the USA is that there is a God. And please note, I didn't specify which one-I'm not a Christian. But I'm very glad for so many Christians around, because the truth is that societies that has no sense of God are nowhere near as comparable to us. Take a look around. No one's leaving.<BR/><BR/>And that's another reason I'm down w/the GOP-because they have a "can do" spirit. I have only used unemployment once in my entire life, and there have been times when I could have used it again, but didn't. Everything I have I earned it on my own, often building it from the ground up. And that's because my dad and grand dad taught me that if I worked hard enough, and kept at it, and never give up, I would make it. I know they smile on me now, because they were both right. I didn't need no gov't help to do it, no Affirmative Action, no handouts, and no set asides. And I did it knowing full well that were those who didn't like me because of the skin I'm in. It only made me work harder to prove them dead wrong.<BR/><BR/>I have, on the surface, every reason to be down w/the Dems. I'm Black, an ex felon, urban and blue collar. But I'm not.<BR/><BR/>Take the time to look a bit deeper.<BR/><BR/>And be mindful of your assumptions.<BR/><BR/>Holla back<BR/><BR/>Salaam<BR/>Mu"Mu'Min M. Beyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764965842337428939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38214794138750968332008-09-02T08:40:00.000-07:002008-09-02T08:40:00.000-07:00VPILF - This made my freakin' month.I am gonnna ge...VPILF - This made my freakin' month.<BR/><BR/>I am gonnna get me one of those t-shirts.<BR/><BR/>--Senor DougAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11202392569608644682008-09-02T08:23:00.000-07:002008-09-02T08:23:00.000-07:00"Personally, I don't think so, I think we're all b..."Personally, I don't think so, I think we're all blood-thirsty as hell and little regional skirmishes and proxy wars are about as close as we're ever going to come to peace."<BR/><BR/> if we're all inherently "bloodthirst as hell" we'd all be clamoring to join the armed forces and get in on the action.<BR/> No. We're not all "inherently bloodthirsty" unless we get worked up over something, and even then we'd rather someone else shed their blood on "our" behalf. This administration and its supporters will go down in history as the greatest Chickenhawks that ever lived. There has probably been no war propogated by so many stay-at-homes. Even the British Royal family had members in uniform and in situations of danger.<BR/> Years ago a famous ex-Marine said war is a racket. Sorry, can't recall the name but it's a famous remark made during the 1930s.<BR/> We are victims of whatever the media and people in power choose to tell us. "they're out to get you---see, they kill you! Look at the twin towers!"<BR/> Give me a break. False flag operations are as old as history. Reichstag stuff. Northwoods stuff. <BR/> You think we're all "inherently bloodthirsty" then get your nasty butt over to Iraq and put yourself in the line of fire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52447337672156596642008-09-01T20:44:00.000-07:002008-09-01T20:44:00.000-07:00I'm the original anon who asked people about neoco...I'm the original anon who asked people about neocon disdain and the relative outcomes of each approach (now tagged Jer).<BR/><BR/>Hey, thanks guys for your responses. It's given me something to chew on.<BR/><BR/>If I could refine the point and add a couple things around the periphery:<BR/><BR/>A) to refine the point, I'm simply talking about "invade the world" or as I'd refer to it "distract the world from actually figuring out real strategic goals". I hold no brief for "invite the world" or "in hock to the world". The latter two seem really, really stupid to me. Much less permeable borders and King Dollar say this conservative. So, I'm mainly just asking if anyone else thinks the neocon idea might be poorly worded in argument and poorly reasoned in tactics, but pretty rational and very wise in usage?<BR/><BR/>b) to add to the point a bit, I'm mainly saying that if humanity sold its movie rights, that movie would be titled "There Will Be Blood".<BR/><BR/>It's like the pagans were right; try to appease the war gods with a small amount of blood in the hopes that they don't claim every last one of us.<BR/><BR/>c) to also add to the point, I think that older interpretations of isolationism or some forms of "paleo"-con can't be directly taken from history and applied to modern theory. We once considered the oceans an almost invincible fortress with our navy serving as a completely redundant safeguard. This can't be true anymore, it simply can't be. So, the same way that earlier conservatives considered the western hemisphere a place to wield our big stick, is the world getting smaller and our stick getting longer?<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for the input and I'd love to have you guys give me some more feedback.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.<BR/><BR/>-JerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26397105625001672712008-09-01T17:09:00.000-07:002008-09-01T17:09:00.000-07:00There have been twelve assasination attemps on the...<I>There have been twelve assasination attemps on the last twelve Presidents.</I><BR/><BR/>Since 1932, the following:<BR/><BR/>1. 1933: against F.D. Roosevelt. (Perpetrator a nut. Mayor of Chicago killed).<BR/><BR/>2. 1950: against Truman.<BR/> (Perpetrator a Puerto Rican nationalist. Guard killed).<BR/><BR/>3. 1963: against Kennedy.<BR/> (Perpetrator addled by delusions of grandeur and (perhaps) a grudge against the erstwhile Secretary of the Navy. President killed, former Secretary (and Governor of Texas) injured).<BR/><BR/>4. 1975: against Ford.<BR/> (Perpetrator a nut. No bullet fired or injuries)<BR/><BR/>5. 1975: against Ford.<BR/> (Perpetrator a politically-motivated leftoid. Spent bullet hit a cab driver. No injuries).<BR/><BR/>6. 1981: against Reagan.<BR/> (Perpetrator a nut. President injured. Two guards injured. White House aide crippled).<BR/><BR/>That would be six attempts against five of the last twelve Presidents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14967502985441041492008-09-01T15:27:00.000-07:002008-09-01T15:27:00.000-07:00assistant village idiot's post was pretty good. Bu...assistant village idiot's post was pretty good. But the palaeo / neo conversation, while admittedly of higher standard on this thread than similar discussions I've seen elsewhere, may be getting off topic.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to know how Scott McConnell knows about all this "neocon lobbying" for VPOTUS Lieberman. Did McConnell hear it at shul? A rabbi slipped it under McConnell's yarmulke perhaps?<BR/><BR/>Because I don't see it, beyond a couple of muted we'd-be-okay-with-Lieb editorials by Kristol. McCain has always been The Weekly Standard's dream candidate for POTUS itself, but Lieberman is chiefly interesting to neocons because he is (or was) a Democrat.<BR/><BR/>And Novak wrote that his sources told him that McCain was mostly thinking of Lieberman by himself. I am certain that McCain and Kristol talked, but I doubt that Kristol made a big issue of Lieberman. I repeat, Kristol wants <I>McCain</I> to win. He doesn't much care whether Liebs gets the proverbial <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nance_Garner" REL="nofollow">Warm Bucket</A>.<BR/><BR/>At any rate The Weekly Standard is hardly the Bible (Torah?) for pro-Israel hawks. Most of these hawks are Republicans who prefer Republicans over Lieberman as a Republican candidate.<BR/><BR/>McConnell is not one of TAC's more cogent thinkers.Darayvushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17973750966981889517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2731785976342137972008-09-01T11:12:00.000-07:002008-09-01T11:12:00.000-07:00Mark Steyn has the best comments to say about Sara...<I>Mark Steyn has the best comments to say about Sarah Palin...</I><BR/><BR/>But Steyn's a neocon - he can't possibly be sincere!<BR/><BR/>Go Lieberman!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27345604500043396902008-09-01T10:12:00.000-07:002008-09-01T10:12:00.000-07:00Martin Take Afghanistan for example: We should hav...Martin <I>Take Afghanistan for example: We should have gone in and killed every single Taliban and Al Quaida hood - hunted them down like dogs, every man jack of them. And then we should have left, with the promise that we could be back in half an hour (via ICBM) and next time no more Mr. Nice Guy.</I><BR/><BR/>Yep.<BR/><BR/>I believe most British incursions into Afghanistan were along these lines, punishment raids. Nowadays these are portrayed as failed invasions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76874831686430085552008-08-31T21:03:00.000-07:002008-08-31T21:03:00.000-07:00"Assistant Village Idiot said...Anon's point was t..."Assistant Village Idiot said...<BR/><BR/>Anon's point was that the paleo method brings them about anyway. I think the evidence is mixed on that, but there is at least some reason to claim that the American isolationists and whatever British paleos were called contributed to the large scale World Wars coming and finding us whether we wanted it or not; and much larger than they would have been."<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your kind words. Please allow me to elaborate. I believe one area where the neos go wrong is in believing that World War II is the model for every present and future conflict. I think this is foolhearty. World War II is in all likelihood a singular event, the likes of which we will never again see in the next several hundred years. We could have a nuclear war, as we and any number of potential adversaries have the weapons. But the sort of long, drawn-out conflict between nations seen in the first half of the twentieth century just doesn't seem very likely to me anymore.<BR/><BR/>But for the neocons, it is always 1939, and the jack-boot of (fill-in-the-blank)-fascism is balanced on our throats.<BR/><BR/>It is true that isolationists may have prevented us from entering WWII for a year or so. So? Would it have mattered much? It's not like the free nations of Europe were really going to invade Germany and depose Hitler at any time prior to 1939. Even if Churchill had been P.M. in 39' they would not have done it.<BR/><BR/>And the biggest obstruction to Britain's rearmament in the 1930's were not conservatives, but socialists, under the thrall of the Soviet Union. may find that it the biggest obstruction.<BR/><BR/>In any event, Hitler is quite safely dead, and despite that the return of the Nazis seems to be the ardent wish of every comic-book film director, we don't have to fight him anymore. Let's talk about the future.<BR/><BR/>Voelkerwanderung is the term that the germans give to the period at the end of the Roman Empire. It means "migration of peoples". In the anglo-saxon world, we call it "the barbarian invasions". We are right now in an unprecedented period of migration, where indeed, whole peoples seem to be migrating. This seems to me a greater threat to our civilization than that due to a bunch of pissed-off arab grad-students.<BR/><BR/>And as for fighting proxy wars, I'm generally against it. If a war is important enough for us to fight, than we should fight it ourselves. What proxy wars chiefly seem to do is to convince other peoples that we are cowards, unwilling to fight for our own cause. And when we do fight, we shouldn't fight them as we have.<BR/><BR/>Take Afghanistan for example: We should have gone in and killed every single Taliban and Al Quaida hood - hunted them down like dogs, every man jack of them. And then we should have left, with the promise that we could be back in half an hour (via ICBM) and next time no more Mr. Nice Guy.<BR/><BR/>War is primarily punitive. It is not social work. I don't believe in building other people's countries, but I'm all for breaking them if they attack us. We will not be loved - so be it - we're not loved now. But by God, we would be respected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61196202034681401522008-08-31T20:42:00.000-07:002008-08-31T20:42:00.000-07:00I think the evidence is mixed on that, but there i...<I>I think the evidence is mixed on that, but there is at least some reason to claim that the American isolationists and whatever British paleos were called contributed to the large scale World Wars coming and finding us whether we wanted it or not; and much larger than they would have been.</I><BR/><BR/>Again, this is erroneous history. Wilson got us into WWI against the palocons and screwed up the peace. Even the demi-god Churchill said so. The bad peace led to the even worse WWII and all that it implies, including ovens for the like of Frum, Kristol and testing99.<BR/><BR/>Now, I don't want that again, but some people don't seem to learn...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61795212798228922602008-08-31T18:32:00.000-07:002008-08-31T18:32:00.000-07:00martin, I thought your attempt to answer anon's qu...martin, I thought your attempt to answer anon's question good, but I think it has holes in it. Of course no one <I>wants</I> enormous wars. Anon's point was that the paleo method brings them about anyway. I think the evidence is mixed on that, but there is at least some reason to claim that the American isolationists and whatever British paleos were called contributed to the large scale World Wars coming and finding us whether we wanted it or not; and much larger than they would have been.<BR/><BR/>I tend to be a mix, myself. The problem with neocon reasoning is that it works well in retrospect, but not so well going forward. We can look back and see a hundred places in any of a hundred wars and legitimately say "If we had stopped them <I>there</I>, we wouldn't have had to fight them under worse circumstances <I>there.</I>" That is not so useful as one might hope, however. There are also past situations where we could legitimately speculate that party A responding to a small threat from party B escalated into an unnecessary war.<BR/><BR/>The paleos get it wrong because Western Civilization will have to fight proxy wars somewhere or we will fight them everywhere, and there will be no perfect spot to make a stand. Every choice presented to us - Vietnam, Korea, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq - will have serious downsides as well. Yet we cannot avoid them all. This is because paleos are isolationists who became conservative, who still think that because most problems will go away if we leave them alone, therefore all problems will go away if we leave them alone.<BR/><BR/>The neocons go wrong in underestimating the messiness of the places they choose. They tend to dwell too much on how things <I>could</I> improve if everything goes right. But never does everything go right. Whenever they guess wrong, it costs Western Civilization more than they expected. This is because neocons are liberals who became conservative, and still have the starry-eyed urge to fix stuff.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63171153761720047112008-08-31T17:27:00.000-07:002008-08-31T17:27:00.000-07:00From the DailyKos link we get this gem of statisti...From the DailyKos link we get this gem of statistical hacksterism:<BR/><BR/>>>>>The final point of interest is that Trig Palin has been diagnosed with Down's syndrome (aka trisomy 21). This is an interesting point, as chances of having offspring with Down's Syndrome increases from under 1% to 3% after a mother reaches the age of 40. However, 80% of the cases of Down's Syndrome are in mother's under the age of 35, through sheer quantities of births in this age group.<BR/><BR/>Just about every mistake in quoting statistics is on display here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29521886169314144402008-08-31T15:47:00.000-07:002008-08-31T15:47:00.000-07:00The neocons like La Belle Palin because she appeal...The neocons like La Belle Palin because she appeals to more mainstream republicans. That helps their man McAmnesty get elected, whats not to like? She isnt going to get close to the levers of power like Cheney seems to. They can safely relax and talk her up all they want. The neocons only problem is if McAmnesty falls off his perch in office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55860091191144475492008-08-31T15:43:00.000-07:002008-08-31T15:43:00.000-07:00lucius vorenus: "Guys, I hate to be a grammar nazi...lucius vorenus: "Guys, I hate to be a grammar nazi, but, technically speaking, the correct term is VPILF."<BR/> <BR/>Surely you're jumping the gun a bit there; for the time being, the correct term should be VPCILF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3916852644409610982008-08-31T15:20:00.000-07:002008-08-31T15:20:00.000-07:00Even if the baby -is- Sarah's daughter's, how on e...Even if the baby -is- Sarah's daughter's, how on earth would the Democrats be able to exploit this very sensitive, personal issue? If they want to go down that road, this one has "Checkers speech" written all over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9704982586498112042008-08-31T13:42:00.000-07:002008-08-31T13:42:00.000-07:00Also, overtures from the Obama campaign for McCain...Also, overtures from the Obama campaign for McCain to stop running negative ads don't simply reflect the effect of those ads on voters, or the pr benefit of highlighting the negativity. Obama exists in the "cone of light" psychological module, in which the approval of others is channeled through the approved and emerges as power through force of personality (rather than rockstar narcissism; it may be necessary to be emotionally mature to become a "cone of light"). The disapproving negative ads have psychological effect on Obama. He also appears a little exhausted, which dims the cone, and a lack of sleep and too many time zone changes may be bringing on a slight depression.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10045484619949817912008-08-31T13:07:00.000-07:002008-08-31T13:07:00.000-07:00Palin isn't McCain's pick but is the Schmidt/Rove ...Palin isn't McCain's pick but is the Schmidt/Rove pick, which is being sold to some degree as resulting from McCain's maverick spirit. With appeal among evangelicals, the white blue collar motorsports vote, and "glass ceiling" females, this is a good broad spectrum pick that may swing 1% of the vote in states like Ohio and Colorado and potentially decide the election. The Obvious risk is that Palin's inexperience cheapens the ticket; however, it seems unlikely that emotion-driven independent women will not be swayed by the selection, particularly after the all out media push to sell Palin. <BR/><BR/>The other option on the VP is to try to pick off a specific state (as with Romney in MI), but favorite son appeal has less value than it used to. Biden reflects neither approach but being a good liberal would have been the choice of Michelle and a few insiders who probably influenced Obama but lack the thoughtful cutting edge of the McCain camp (appointing Donna Brazil as campaign manager probably made the difference for Gore, who otherwise would have been President). Keep in mind that, while the republicans feign challenging in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, this election is really all about rewinning the red states, as in 2004. One reason the electoral map in 04 was surprisingly similar to 00 was that that was the rep. strategy, pouring resources into Ohio, for example. So, if the white vote ends Obama's chances in FL and MO, which would probably have fallen for Clinton and ended all debate, McCain has to win VA, CO, OH, and NV. That's not too tall an order, which causes me to think that Obama's chances are less than 50/50. The Palin pick lets Rove relieve himself somewhat from guilt over the tactical decision to accomodate Senatorial pork-barreling, which he figured would buy more power in friends than it lost in votes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20531974113463101882008-08-31T12:36:00.000-07:002008-08-31T12:36:00.000-07:00I have to laugh at the commenters who say McCain p...I have to laugh at the commenters who say McCain picked Palin in an attempt to win over disgruntled Hillary supporters. It turns out that disgruntled Hilary supporters, are, almost by definition, feminists. McCain, quite properly isn't making any attempt to appeal to leftists like that.<BR/><BR/>The demographic he is trying to capture is relatively conservative women who are married to men they don't hate. This is far larger, and far more realistic demographic for McCain to go after.<BR/><BR/>The law firm of Obama and Joe "would you like some sugar with your restraining order, Ma'am?" Biden have nothing to offer women like that.Sweating Through foghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07138602196953744517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47117616407382955802008-08-31T12:23:00.000-07:002008-08-31T12:23:00.000-07:00"Anonymous said...This seems as good a thread as a..."Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/>This seems as good a thread as any for this question, so: Could someone please explain the whole neocon disdain around here? To my thinking, neocons prefer proxy war punting with a few thousand dead to paleocon couple hundred million dead every 40 years."<BR/><BR/>Who says paleocons want big wars either? The era of big wars between European powers is very likely over, for the simple reason that they have proved to be suicidal to western civilization.<BR/><BR/>Russia and China are another matter, and no, I do not trust them, and think we should be militarily prepared to fight them (which is the best way of insuring that we won't have to). But that doesn't mean we should unnecessarily antagonize them either - like by having military bases in bordering nations. I don't imagine we'd like it if Russia had an airbase in Mexico, anymore than they like it that we have one in Uzbekistan.<BR/><BR/>Testing99 likes to point out that anyone from Pakistan can board a plane and commit some act of terrorism. (He used to talk about terrorists in motor-boats, until he was almost universally laughed-down, and he no longer mentions them). What is true however, is that anyone can board a plane - from Pakistan, Nigeria, Cambodia, Somalia - damn near anywhere, come here, become a permanent resident and then demand that we accomodate them. To say nothing of millions of Mexicans who want to turn a part of our country into a part of their country.<BR/><BR/>Demographic wars between the North and South, frankly, between white and not-white, are the wars of the future. So-called Paleos are trying to defend western civilization from what really threatens it. Like not-to-bright generals, neocons are stuck fighing the last war - and they want to go on fighting it indefinitely.<BR/><BR/>And by the way, I'm not a paleo-conservative. I prefer the term "reactionary".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44437624662507007362008-08-31T12:12:00.000-07:002008-08-31T12:12:00.000-07:00Palin's pick prompted 7 million in donation, inclu...Palin's pick prompted 7 million in donation, including 4.5 million that day. The base LOVES her, on issues such as the NRA/Guns, abortion, political reform, pork-earmarks, etc.<BR/><BR/>A great pick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71639629552966558222008-08-31T11:09:00.000-07:002008-08-31T11:09:00.000-07:00Everybody's so gaga over Palin that Obama's gettin...Everybody's so gaga over Palin that Obama's getting a break from the disastrous VP choice of Biden, who has dedicated a good portion of his career to smashing men. <BR/><BR/>If anyone could push men - particularly white, working-class men - to vote against Obama, it's Biden. At least VAWA will become a serious issue in this campaign. Hopefully it will finally get the scrutiny it deserves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82646200882248213272008-08-31T10:25:00.000-07:002008-08-31T10:25:00.000-07:00Mark Steyn has the best comments to say about Sara...Mark Steyn has the best comments to say about Sarah Palin:<BR/><BR/>http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODNhOTk2YTU0NWY4ZjY5ODNhZTgyOWZkNjY5YjFlMmY=<BR/><BR/>I generally agree with him.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.com