tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2422749711121578243..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Another approach to estimating Indian IQUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76249217301764504522009-07-06T10:25:49.143-07:002009-07-06T10:25:49.143-07:00Recman1
5. The only remaining alternative, warts ...Recman1<br /><br />5. The only remaining alternative, warts and all,<br />is upper and middle caste Indians<br /><br />Whoa. No one caught this?<br /><br />If you want to be surrounded by upper caste Indians go back to that shit hole you came from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75019453612498266072009-02-15T09:31:00.000-08:002009-02-15T09:31:00.000-08:00Here is a bit of info that might shed some light o...Here is a bit of info that might shed some light on the subject.<BR/><BR/>http://www.asianweek.com/2008/10/30/the-myth-of-filipino-inferiority/#more-9227<BR/><BR/>If you look at the table provided which breaks down math score of 9th graders by ethnicity in CA, you will see that Asian Indians are scoring similar to whites with same percentage of high achievers and a slightly higher percentage of low performers. <BR/><BR/>Two things must be taken into account with the scores.<BR/><BR/>1. These kids are most likely first generation native borns with at least one parent as an engineer immigrant, and thus highly selected for their IQ. This indicated that they have not completely reverted to the mean.<BR/><BR/>2. Being a kid of hard driving immigrants, particularly to engineering parents, these kids should outperform their potential, especially in a math test.<BR/><BR/>Brahmans are highly over represented in the Indians that migrated to the U.S. <BR/><BR/>This indicated that the IQ of the immigrant group, Brahman or not, might be in the low to mid 90's. <BR/><BR/>One data point does not a trend make, maybe someone could collect more data along this line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46507640295800699042008-07-02T18:09:00.000-07:002008-07-02T18:09:00.000-07:00Brahmin teachers help Dalits and Peasants pass IIT...Brahmin teachers help Dalits and Peasants pass IIT exam<BR/>--<BR/><BR/>30 of the most talented Dalit and peasant students are chosen out of the 6000 who compete to join coaching class<BR/>2 or 3 SD above the mean<BR/>--<BR/><BR/>http://ia.rediff.com/money/2006/aug/16iit1.htm<BR/><BR/>Bihar's tiny school is churning out IIT-ians<BR/><BR/>Manjeet Kriplani, BusinessWeek | August 16, 2006<BR/><BR/> <BR/> <BR/> <BR/>Top Emailed Features<BR/><BR/>• Why the US is an economic burden on the world<BR/>• 30 tax-smart ways to plan your salary package<BR/>• Finally, a car that runs on water!<BR/>Tell us<BR/>• Ask a question<BR/>Advertisements<BR/>• Master the Stock Market<BR/>• Industry Market<BR/>• Business Guru speaks<BR/>Moneywiz <BR/>• Stocks & MFs<BR/> <BR/> <BR/> <BR/> <BR/><BR/>Every April, some 230,000 Indian youths sharpen their pencils and sit for the intensely competitive entrance exam to the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) -- the seven prestigious schools that train India's top-notch engineers and entrepreneurs. After the grueling six-hour test, only 5,000 students are offered a place in the IITs.<BR/><BR/>Most come from middle-class backgrounds and prepare for the exams through private coaching. But in the past few years, a small group of desperately poor, talented students have made it into the IITs, thanks to the Ramanujan School of Mathematics.<BR/><BR/>The school, named after a famous Indian mathematician, is even more intense than the IITs themselves. Located in Patna, the capital of Bihar, one of India's least developed states, the Ramanujan School trains just 30 students a year to take the IIT exam.<BR/><BR/> * Personal Reflections by Some Ultra Competitive People<BR/> * Competition Through the Decades<BR/> * Yes, Winning Is Still The Only Thing <BR/><BR/>Anand Kumar, 33, a local mathematician, and Abhayanand, 52, Patna's deputy director general of police and a lover of physics, founded the school in 2003 to help promising locals get ahead in the caste-based society.<BR/><BR/>They scoured Bihar's least privileged communities for 30 bright students to coach for the exam, providing free lessons and housing. They call their group the Super 30. "Intelligence is not birth-specific," says Abhayanand. In the first year, 16 of the group made it into the IITs. The next year, 22 made it. "This year," Kumar says confidently, "all 30 will get into the IITs."<BR/><BR/>Santosh Kumar, 19 (no relation to Anand Kumar), is one of this year's Super 30, and his story is typical of his classmates. He's from Dumari, a village in the Bihata district, about 22 miles from Patna.<BR/><BR/>Nearly all the village's 3,000 residents scratch out meager livings as farmers. Santosh's sister and three brothers studied up to 10th grade but then returned to the fields. "Studying further required money, so that was that," he says.<BR/><BR/> * Poll: How Competitive Are You?<BR/> * Very Conspicuous Consumption <BR/><BR/>Village hero<BR/><BR/>Santosh wanted more. His school had no roof, no doors, and no teachers half the time, but he borrowed books and tutored two young students for 70 cents a month. He also sold vegetables the family cultivated in a nearby market town.<BR/><BR/>"I didn't even know which subjects I was good at, and I'd certainly never heard of IIT. No one had," he says. Then an eighth-grade teacher noticed his mathematical talent and encouraged him to study further.<BR/><BR/>Santosh saw that "education was the only way out of poverty," he says. At first, he planned to study so he could become an officer in the Indian civil service. After high school, he enrolled in the Patna College of Commerce, and then he heard about the IITs and the Super 30.<BR/><BR/>"I went straightaway to Anand Kumar and told him: 'I dream of IIT, but I have no money.' He gave me his test, and I came second in the class. [He] let me into his Super 30 -- free," Santosh recalls.<BR/><BR/>For seven months, Santosh studied every morning for four hours, then sat down for a three-hour test in math, physics, and chemistry, and after a break studied three more hours.<BR/><BR/>From six to nine in the evening, he attended a class in the same subjects and prepared for the next day's test until 2 a.m. His work paid off last spring, when he won a coveted seat at the IIT in Kharagpur, near Calcutta. (He ranked 3,537 out of the 5,000 students chosen.)<BR/><BR/>Santosh now aims to earn a doctorate in chemistry and become an inventor. His hero is APJ Abdul Kalam, India's current President and father of the nation's missile program.<BR/><BR/>Just as important, Santosh is on track to becoming the first person from Dumari to graduate from a university, making him a hero in the eyes of his village.rec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18821666390576896822008-07-02T05:12:00.000-07:002008-07-02T05:12:00.000-07:00anon said---Is there any data available on the per...anon said<BR/>---<BR/>Is there any data available on the performance of Indians from the lower castes migrating to the US?<BR/><BR/>---<BR/>There are next to zero dalits in the US<BR/>There are thousands of Dalit organisations in the USA run by white xtian missionaries<BR/><BR/>one of the IQ segment in the US consists of the peasant Jat<BR/>Sikh Taxi drivers and Farmers, also found in Vancouver and UK<BR/>Blue collar middle class, high school complete<BR/><BR/>The very lowest Indian IQ segment in the US is the caribean hindus,<BR/>50% dalit and 50% peasant blendrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60777106537180268102008-07-02T00:36:00.000-07:002008-07-02T00:36:00.000-07:00About 80% of immigrant visas are family reunificat...<I>About 80% of immigrant visas are family reunification ( first and second preference ), skills are just 20% ( third preference )</I><BR/><BR/>The modern immigration system is a relatively recent phenomenon. The US was populated using the dregs of European society similar to the lower castes in India. When seen from this perspective all Indian immigration to the US is top tier. <BR/><BR/>Is there any data available on the performance of Indians from the lower castes migrating to the US?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73746295058742222162008-06-30T17:48:00.000-07:002008-06-30T17:48:00.000-07:00anon wrote---Further, the preferred immigration ve...anon wrote<BR/>---<BR/>Further, the preferred immigration vehicle for Europeans is to come in on a visa or a visa waiver and then marry an American. Again, these people are not being selected for intelligence<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>The selection for intelligence only happens at the primary Indian immigrant, then he brings in his family which may not be as high IQ<BR/><BR/>It used to be that the Indians who got immigration had a high value in the Indian marraige market<BR/>and could get a dumb pretty wife<BR/>( the Indian equivalent of dumb blond trophy wife )<BR/>I have seen 2 or 3 bald ( at 26 )<BR/>Indians ( circa 1985 )with really beautiful wives<BR/>and trust me these wives were not high IQ<BR/><BR/>About 80% of immigrant visas are family reunification ( first and second preference ), skills are just 20% ( third preference )<BR/><BR/>And as far as the next generation, there is no selection, simply regression to the mean<BR/>And it is this generation that is sweeping the SATs the medical college seats and the spelling bees<BR/><BR/>And speaking of spelling bees<BR/>I saw the movie Akeelah and the bee<BR/>( 2006 ), they showed a hispanic kid, a black kid, a mixed race chinese kid and several wasps and zero Indians<BR/>Even by 2006, Indians had won the last 7 out of 10 years<BR/><BR/>Whereas Spellbound which is a documentary showed all the contestants of 2002, which had a couple of Indians, including the winnerrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88497232407051527742008-06-30T10:16:00.000-07:002008-06-30T10:16:00.000-07:00Every ethnic immigrant group has the same minium s...<I>Every ethnic immigrant group has the same minium selection level for immigration to US</I><BR/><BR/>Not completely true due to the peculiarities of the immigration system. For example the Chinese and Russians have had substantial populations immigrating through the Asylee and Refugee programs. Today 3x as many Russians immigrate through the Asylee/Refugee route as do through the employment based routes and 30% of overall Chinese immigration is through the Asylee/Refugee route. These populations are to a large extent being selected only for their ability to convince an immigration judge.<BR/><BR/>Further, the preferred immigration vehicle for Europeans is to come in on a visa or a visa waiver and then marry an American. Again, these people are not being selected for intelligence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6054747903944242742008-06-30T03:45:00.000-07:002008-06-30T03:45:00.000-07:00Over-emphasis on selection factor when describing ...Over-emphasis on selection factor when describing Indian diaspora in the USA<BR/><BR/>Every ethnic immigrant group has the same minium selection level for immigration to US<BR/>So why is the Indian diaspora alone singled out to explain high performance<BR/><BR/>In addition, the second generation of Indian diaspora in the US must reflect regression to the mean<BR/>and here is where we find over achievement in SAT, medical college, spelling bees, etcrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24359081077703389832008-06-30T02:15:00.000-07:002008-06-30T02:15:00.000-07:00anon said---What is interesting is that the table ...anon said<BR/>---<BR/>What is interesting is that the table of ranking of achievement in maths in the paper 'India Shining and Bharat Drowning' — by Jishnu Das and Tristan Zajonc mirrors ‘IQ and the Wealth of nations’ data with the North East Asians coming first followed immediately by the Europeans.<BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Not quite true<BR/><BR/>The author has disaggregated the Indian average score into the top 5%, northern brahmins and the average<BR/><BR/>The northern brahmins score slightly below Singapore levels<BR/>and well above US white levels<BR/><BR/>whereas the Indian average in these 2 backward northern states<BR/>is slightly above Philipines 86IQ<BR/>My model shows current Indian IQ at 86IQ<BR/><BR/>By interpolating between Singapore scores (108IQ) @ 605 and US scores<BR/>( 100IQ ) @504, the northern brahmins in these 2 poor northern states are at 105IQ whereas my model has the northern brahmins at 108IQrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13862361122216499612008-06-29T20:56:00.000-07:002008-06-29T20:56:00.000-07:00What is interesting is that the table of ranking o...What is interesting is that the table of ranking of achievement in maths in the paper 'India Shining and Bharat Drowning' — by Jishnu Das and Tristan Zajonc mirrors ‘IQ and the Wealth of nations’ data with the North East Asians coming first followed immediately by the Europeans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16366959442690449812008-06-29T19:47:00.000-07:002008-06-29T19:47:00.000-07:00This xtian missionary site has a detailed ethnic b...This xtian missionary site has a detailed ethnic breakdown of the world including India. Might be useful to buy the data for purposes of the research study.<BR/><BR/>http://www.joshuaproject.net/<BR/><BR/>--<BR/><BR/>The more they stir up the lower castes the more the lower castes who are the majority increase AA<BR/>forcing the upper castes to take away jobs from the white middle classrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56025953138440268392008-06-29T19:24:00.000-07:002008-06-29T19:24:00.000-07:00This xtian missionary site has a detailed ethnic b...This xtian missionary site has a detailed ethnic breakdown of the world including India. Might be useful to buy the data for purposes of the research study.<BR/><BR/>http://www.joshuaproject.net/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68602291483157992222008-06-29T18:50:00.000-07:002008-06-29T18:50:00.000-07:00Rec1man, what kind of castes make up the populatio...Rec1man, what kind of castes make up the populations of Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal? Will they share India's prosperity (I have no hope for Pakistan, it is a failed state)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72501243805406545692008-06-29T18:16:00.000-07:002008-06-29T18:16:00.000-07:00IQ study in muslim upper caste families in IndiaIn...IQ study in muslim upper caste families in India<BR/>Inbreeding causes muslim loss of 11 IQ<BR/><BR/>Inbreeding depression and intelligence quotient among north Indian children.<BR/><BR/>Badaruddoza, Afzal M.<BR/><BR/>Department of Zoology, Aligarh Muslim University, India.<BR/><BR/>This study presents the assessment of inbreeding depression on the intelligence quotient among north Indian Muslim Children of school age. The Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC-R)-74 was given to the children in both groups (50 each non-inbred and inbred of the first-cousin status), aged 6 to 11 years and from the same socio-economic status. The change of the mean follows genetic theory; however, the nature of the change in variance seems to be somewhat different.<BR/><BR/>PIP: The level of inbreeding depression on the intelligence quotient (IQ) of North Indian Muslim schoolchildren was assessed in a survey conducted in Aligarh. The 50 inbred children were products of marriages between first cousins; their mean age was 7.7 years (range, 6-11 years). A significant (p 0.001) negative association was found between inbreeding and score on the Weschler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC-C).<BR/><BR/> In addition, the weighted mean IQ of inbred children )88.4 + or - 1.37) differed significant (p 0.001) from that recorded among 50 noninbred controls of similar age and socioeconomic status (99.6 + or - 2.0).<BR/><BR/><BR/> The group means for both verbal and performance IQ subscales differed significantly and in the expected direction between subjects and controls, but the lower variance recorded in the inbred group did not conform to genetic theory. However, data do not always demonstrate a clear trend of linear increase in phenotypic variance with inbreeding in human populations. Additional surveys in other populations and for various inbreeding levels are recommendedrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84671073247966762722008-06-29T05:17:00.000-07:002008-06-29T05:17:00.000-07:00swaminomics.org Bharat Drowning or Bharat Rising?B...swaminomics.org<BR/><BR/> Bharat Drowning or Bharat Rising?<BR/><BR/>By Swaminathan S. Anklesaria Aiyar<BR/><BR/>India has a world-class elite sitting on top of hundreds of millions with low skills and literacy. This accounts for the title of a new study on India's educational tragedy — 'India Shining and Bharat Drowning' — by Jishnu Das of the World Bank and Tristan Zajonc of Harvard University.<BR/><BR/>What does this imply for India's future? Das and Zajonc say that if Indian firms adopt a Ford Model-T approach — where a few skilled managers use many unskilled workers — then India Shining (the upper crust) can act as a rising tide that lifts all boats. Bharat Drowning will become Bharat Rising. But, if Indian firms progressively become skill-intensive, India may end up with islands of privilege in an ocean of deprivation.<BR/><BR/>The researchers have not characterised our educational tragedy fully. The skilled upper-crust has been educated mainly in private schools, and the dregs in moribund government schools. The Indian Institutes of Technology and Management represent successes in public education, but the students who get in are mainly from private schools. So, a better title for the study might have been "Private Schools Shining and Government Schools Drowning".<BR/><BR/>Das and Zajonc use a new methodology to compare maths tests across countries. They compare maths test results of Grade 9 students in 2003 in two states, Orissa and Rajasthan, with students in 49 countries. These two states perform worse than 43 of these countries. Few readers will be surprised.<BR/><BR/>But while most students in Orissa and Rajasthan fare poorly, the upper crust fares very well. The top 5% of children scored 577 in Orissa and 544 in Rajasthan, well above the US average of 504. Assuming that these two states are representative of all India — an underestimate, surely — then for every 10 top performers in the US, India has 4. However, for every 10 low performers in the US, India has 200.<BR/><BR/>The top performance in 2003 came from Singapore (605 marks), with Korea second at 589 marks. The US ranked only 18th (504 marks). The performance of middle-income countries — including oil-rich ones — was surprisingly bad. Indeed, Orissa (404) and Rajasthan (382) fared quite well compared with much richer places like Egypt (406), Bahrain (401), Chile (387), Morocco (387), and the Philippines (378). Far below came Saudi Arabia (332) and South Africa (264), both of which have substantial per capita incomes.<BR/><BR/>India is the second poorest country on the list, and Orissa and Rajasthan are among the poorer Indian states. So, the data may give the impression that India is doing well for its income level. This is probably a mistaken impression. The study considers only kids at school. And in India only 53% of kids are enrolled in secondary school, against 90% in South Africa. If we consider all children rather than those at school, Orissa and Rajasthan may come even lower down in the list.<BR/><BR/>Let us return to the big issue Das and Zajonc pose. Will India follow the Model-T path of development that uses lots of low-skilled labour, and hence uplifts the poor? Or will it follow the high-tech path, based overwhelmingly on skills, leaving out the unskilled poor?<BR/><BR/>Pessimists have a case. Technological change means that fewer and fewer people are required for production. Tata Motors and Bajaj Auto have doubled their production while halving their workforces. Infotech companies export $40 billion but employ only two million people, a tiny fraction of India's workforce of 450 million. This accounts for fears of Bharat Drowning.<BR/><BR/>However, i am an optimist. Despite our educational catastrophe, we have averaged almost 9% growth for five years. Bad education is a constraint, but not a binding one. A slowdown is coming, yet India should average 7% over the next 25 years. With good education we would do better, but 7% is still miracle growth.<BR/><BR/>Because of its huge population, India's top 5% equals 55 million people, a large pool of skills. Despite this skill shortages have arisen, and so every part of the private sector is investing in training. This looks capable of improving most skills, sustaining rapid growth for two decades and giving time for education to catch up.<BR/><BR/>Consider the infotech industry. For every high-skilled software engineer or BPO worker, four other workers provide support services in transport, catering construction and maintenance. Most of these are decent jobs. So, a Model-T approach is not essential. An infotech workforce of 50 million can create ancillary jobs for 200 million.<BR/><BR/>Infotech is only a small part of the India Shining story. Our 9% growth has been driven much more by trade, transport, restaurants, construction, social services, finance and communications. High skills will help in these sectors, but the majority of jobs will need only modest skills.<BR/><BR/>Vested interests make government schools difficult to reform. But as incomes rise and people progressively send their kids to private schools, skills will improve. Four states have proposed school vouchers, and perhaps a new trend has begun. Governments may soon fund millions of poor people to send their children to better private schools. Possibly Das and Zajonc will one day write another paper titled "Government Schools Drowning and Bharat Rising".rec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69250904610855665922008-06-28T05:46:00.000-07:002008-06-28T05:46:00.000-07:00Turkey vs Greece---Turks are 85% greek by bloodWhi...Turkey vs Greece<BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Turks are 85% greek by blood<BR/><BR/>While the original invaders were asiatic, they raped and forcibly converted the white greek xtians in turkey and hence the turks are now 85% greek by blood<BR/><BR/>I think the IQ of turkey is 90 vs IQ of greece is 94<BR/><BR/>The IQ of greece is truncated by 5 due to islamic massacres and the real IQ of greece is 99 whereas the IQ of Turkey is reduced by 10IQ<BR/>thanks to islam<BR/>and the real pre-islamic IQ of Turkey is 100rec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27608059752921357122008-06-27T19:02:00.000-07:002008-06-27T19:02:00.000-07:00Consider effect of islam on greecewhat was greece ...Consider effect of islam on greece<BR/><BR/>what was greece like compared to rest of europe in 700AD vs todayrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1156747683589996302008-06-27T14:03:00.000-07:002008-06-27T14:03:00.000-07:00Recman points out to an interesting phenomenon abo...Recman points out to an interesting phenomenon about Islamic rule playing a dysgenic effect on IQ in Northern South Asia. I was wondering if there has been a similar effect in Southern Europe. Steve himself pointed out about the limited contributions of Iberians in the sciences after the Islamic age. Of course one cannot ignore the mighty empires built and great explorations undertaken by both Spain and Portugal (After all no one is claiming their IQ is as low as Africans, it is definitely just slightly lower than the North). However the underachievement of Mediterranean Europe (I am taking Northern Italy and Southern France in the northern group) vis a vis Northern Europe in the post industrial age might also be explained by the same phenomenon (Arabo-Berber rule in Hispania and Turkish rule in South Eastern Europe). Could it also explain why Pakistan finds it hard to catch up with India?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38390353919265924662008-06-25T05:10:00.000-07:002008-06-25T05:10:00.000-07:00Francis Xavier was the pioneer of anti-Brahmanism ...Francis Xavier was the pioneer of anti-Brahmanism which was adopted in due course as a major plank in the missionary propaganda by all Christian denominations. Lord Minto, Governor General of India from 1807 to 1812, submitted a Note to his superiors in London when the British Parliament was debating whether missionaries should be permitted in East India Company’s domain under the Charter of 1813. He enclosed with his Note some “propaganda material used by the missionaries” and, referring to one missionary tract in particular, wrote: “The remainder of this tract seems to aim principally at a general massacre of the Brahmanas” (M. D. David (ed.), Western Colonialism in Asia and Christianity, Bombay, 1988, p. 85). <BR/><BR/>Many of V.T. Rajshekar’s brochures are transcripts of lectures at Christian institutions, and one wonders if the latter are aware of the more eccentric parts of his work, e.g. he is the only Indian to merit a mention in an authoritative study (Poliakov 1994) of contemporary anti-Semitism. His anti-Brahminism is also moulded after the anti-Semitic model,rec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81916491257745768772008-06-24T18:51:00.000-07:002008-06-24T18:51:00.000-07:00The threat to the white middle class from upper ca...The threat to the white middle class from upper caste women<BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Unlike the white middle class women who seem to be graduating in pregnancy-101 and cheerleading-101 and per common wisdom are very weak in math. And even those who go to college do fuzzy soft courses<BR/><BR/>A large number of upper caste women are good in math<BR/>and those who go to college try to do math, science, engineering, accounting, business, software etc<BR/><BR/>Only the really dumb go to college to do the soft fuzzy stuff<BR/><BR/>This is true even in the diaspora<BR/><BR/>I work in a medium sized engineering company that has about 200 engineers and with 20 women, of these 10 are upper caste indian women from the diasporarec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75002230170878633852008-06-24T18:44:00.000-07:002008-06-24T18:44:00.000-07:00So who unleashed the SIB on the white middle class...So who unleashed the SIB on the white middle class<BR/>--<BR/><BR/>Answer the tithing given to Indian missionary churches by the white middle class<BR/><BR/>--<BR/><BR/>The classic method of spreading xtianity is to first convert the elite, and then use the native elites to convert the native lower classes<BR/><BR/>By 1900, the xtian missionaries had 400 years of failures of trying to convert the brahmins<BR/><BR/>So they decided to work from the bottom up<BR/>They noticed in south India, it was possible to ethnically separate the brahmins from the masses<BR/><BR/>The first tool they used to whip up the masses was the Aryan Invasion Theory<BR/>In traditional hinduism there is no race memory of any invasion<BR/>The very earliest texts , 2000BC already show the caste system in place<BR/>Using this new theory, 95% of the south Indian population could in theory be turned against the brahmins<BR/><BR/>Around 1900, the SIBs had a comfortable middle class life in south India getting rents from agricultural lands and running the civil service under the british<BR/><BR/>The hindu temples also had rent paying agricultural lands<BR/>Many thousands of SIBs had jobs as personal priests for the merchant and landlord classes<BR/><BR/>The effect of the Church and British Funded Dravidianist movement was to remove the SIBs from each and every ecological niche<BR/><BR/>The salaries for priests got cut<BR/>The merchants and large landlords stopped using brahmin priests, AA was used in the civil service<BR/>The SIBs moved to Engineering and Medicine and Accounting and to other parts of India<BR/><BR/>With Church backing the non-brahmin castes started raising AA from 20% to 50% to 70%<BR/>As the SIBs started to migrate away, many of the village temples lost their priests and this gave an opening to the missionaries<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Essentially as AA started squeezing out the SIBs, the SIBs saw an opening in the US using the F1-scholarships, <BR/><BR/>and once established in silicon valley, the white corporate barons saw that they had a new large pool of low priced talent <BR/><BR/>which leads to Software outsourcing and soon every other form of white collar outsourcing to India to directly tap into the SIB talent poolrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66075247900034649302008-06-24T17:40:00.000-07:002008-06-24T17:40:00.000-07:00http://www.asahi.com/english/asianet/hatsu...atsu0...http://www.asahi.com/english/asianet/hatsu...atsu080502.html<BR/><BR/>India as an Emerging "Brain Power"<BR/><BR/>By Masanori Kondo Senior Associate Professor (Development Economics, Indian Economy)International Christian University, Tokyo<BR/><BR/>2008/05/02<BR/><BR/>PHOTO:Jansinee Kankaew<BR/><BR/>A friend of mine who lives in Koto Ward, Tokyo, told me, “We have so many Indians living in our condominium that our notices come with English translations these days.” The number of Indian residents in Japan is now up to 17,500, and over sixty percent of them are IT engineers and their families. Among the Japanese community, they enjoy a favorable reputation as being polite and courteous neighbors.<BR/><BR/>These days many American companies have substantial research and development (R&D) activities in India. They are aggressively recruiting the best Indians as part of their global human resource strategy. This trend is backed by the emergence of India-born CEOs in major multinational corporations, including McKinsey, Citigroup, Vodafone and PepsiCo.<BR/><BR/>How are things in Japan, then? The total value of IT software exported by India to Japan was an insignificant three percent of its total IT exports. Though some Japanese companies hire Chinese employees, there are almost none that hire Indians to work at their company headquarters.<BR/><BR/>Besides, the number of Indian students in Japan is only five hundred. This is no match for the seventy thousand Chinese students that are in Japan, and it is even less than half the number of students from far smaller countries like Nepal and Sri Lanka. Interchange with Indians living in Japan is also limited.<BR/><BR/>Traditionally, Indians have always held a good image of Japan. Most of the Indian students who come to study in Japan develop a strong affinity to the country by the time they return home. However, as there are not many successful career patterns for “Japan experts,” Japan has become a less attractive destination for Indians to study. It leads to the vicious cycle of Japanese companies finding it difficult to enter the Indian market with little knowledge of India, and fewer Indians getting hired by Japanese companies.<BR/><BR/>Many Japanese companies tend to look upon India much in the same way as they viewed Southeast Asia that brought much success two decades ago. In other words, Japanese companies see India as a source of “labor” rather than “brains.” A former high-ranking Indian official, who is a Japanophile, pointed out: “Whereas Japanese people tend to measure the intellectual level of the people of a nation by per-capita income, Indian elites assess the abilities of their opponents based on their English prowess. And that is what causes a psychological gap between the Japanese and the Indians.<BR/><BR/>Since only Japanese people are involved, accumulated information on India tends to become one-sided in Japan. There are plenty of cases where failures and setbacks in business and ODA all get blamed on the catch-all, “It’s the fault of the Indians.” That is quite different from what I heard from a South Korean business organization that has proved successful in India. An official claimed, “In dealing with India, we have nothing to complain about. We simply stick to doing what the Romans do.”<BR/><BR/>According to Prof. K. Momaya, the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) in Delhi welcomes some fifty delegations from Japan every year. But alas, there are precious few cases where these visits actually lead to some concrete project getting implemented. Delegations from the United States, Europe and South Korea are much less in number, but they constantly leave their mark and bear fruit in such forms as new labs, joint research and recruitment.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately Japan has a reputation across India as a country that keeps on dispatching large delegations with no follow-ups. It has to be reminded that there are two hundred IIT graduates working in Japan. Most of them work for non-Japanese companies, Including the top official of Citibank in Japan. It makes more sense to meet these graduates here in Japan for information exchange before sending fruitless delegations to India.rec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19164140284742205892008-06-23T06:43:00.000-07:002008-06-23T06:43:00.000-07:00rec1man's solution is no solution. Accepting the ...rec1man's solution is no solution. Accepting the least of "5 evils" still leaves the west with a problem at the end of the day. We have history to judge how that experiment will end by looking at the different Indian diasporas worldwide and seeing their effects on the native populations. <BR/><BR/>Falling below the replacement rate is not answered by bringing in "outside help". It is answered by procreating. Procreation is hampered with competing ethnics within the same living space. The Japanese are dealing with this by maintaining their monocultural country and tightening their belts. Not by bringing in "high IQ" Indians to help out.<BR/><BR/><I>Why would a wall street brokerage pay $300K for a Harvard MBA, when he can get a 140IQ SIB for $30K</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, that's the selling point and the lure for business to waste their time and money on India. Yet, simply by dealing with any part of the outsourcing experiment enlightens one to the fact that reality is far from the selling point.Cydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02334032603842676523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70328369428005623972008-06-22T18:41:00.000-07:002008-06-22T18:41:00.000-07:00http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/22/news/companies/ban...http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/22/news/companies/banks_outsourcing/index.htm<BR/><BR/>Going one step further<BR/><BR/>JPMorgan Chase, however, is taking its investment banking activities abroad a step further. The company was one of the first investment banks to not only transfer the company's back-office and call-center operations but to also hire research analysts in India, Hong Kong and Singapore to complement its U.S.-based research team.<BR/><BR/>After piloting the program in 2003 with about 1,200 employees in India, the company announced late last year that it plans to have a total of 9,000 employees in India by the end of 2007, with one-third of those employees working for the company's investment banking unit. Not only will the Indian workers handle research and analysis for the bank but will also be responsible for its foreign exchange trades and its highly complicated credit derivatives contracts.<BR/><BR/>Some experts expect that as banks become more comfortable with their offshore operations and foreign talent becomes more attuned to the companies' way of doing business, financial institutions may even shift some deal-making responsibility onto its foreign employees.<BR/><BR/>--<BR/><BR/>Brahmins and upper castes with some on the job training can do the high end wall street stuff just as easily as high IQ whites<BR/>and much better than avg IQ whites<BR/>for 10% the cost<BR/><BR/>The blame must lie in the greedy western corporations and the western consumer who prefers to buy cheaper goods made overseas<BR/>not on the Indian guy who is simply trying to make an honest buck<BR/><BR/>Why would a wall street brokerage pay $300K for a Harvard MBA, when he can get a 140IQ SIB for $30Krec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63253608099507321632008-06-22T16:12:00.000-07:002008-06-22T16:12:00.000-07:00As an aside, why is Steve, the race realist, afrai...As an aside, why is Steve, the race realist, afraid of honest dialogue between the Indian contingent and "crazy, wacko, nativist, banana republicans"?Cydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02334032603842676523noreply@blogger.com