tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2583516609503156963..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Occam's Butterknife applied to PISAUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger95125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48583142203050120092012-03-16T17:09:09.108-07:002012-03-16T17:09:09.108-07:00Regarding Canadian immigration policy, here's ...Regarding Canadian immigration policy, here's a solid study arguing that quality of immigrants has fallen steadily since the 1980s, and each recent immigrant, on average, each use $6000 more in government services than they pay in taxes.<br /><br />http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/display.aspx?id=18103Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87447804944255441312012-03-13T22:20:16.021-07:002012-03-13T22:20:16.021-07:00According to the figures I've seen, the highes...According to the figures I've seen, the highest economic growth rate ever achieved in Russia was during the decade or two just before WWI and the Bolshevik Revolution<br /><br />Silver: <i>Links or it didn't happen...<br /><br />J/k, but per capita Soviet growth between '45 and '89 averaged around 3% per annum. I'm not aware of any country on earth growing so rapidly (not the USA, no one) around the turn of last century. 3% annual per capita growth is profound; over a decade it leaves no one in any doubt that things are getting better. If things were improving as quickly and noticeably as you suggest how were the communists would have been able to drum up so much support? <br /><br />There's a further problem. The rule with historical GDP is that, because national accounts are a modern innovation, the further back in time we go the more speculative (or specious) the numbers. Cross-country comparisons are further complicated because the purchasing power parity (PPP) whose use is required can quite easily vary by 15% up or down, and it can often seem like your say is as good as mine which it should be. So when someone claims, in effect, that Russia was the fastest growing economy on earth before the revolution, I'm inclined to be skeptical, to regard it as more likely capitalistic, anti-commie propaganda than the result of careful investigation.</i><br /><br />Well, I was quoting from memory, an offhand reference in a Russian history book I read decades ago. But when I just now spent 30 seconds Googling "Czarist Russia Economic Growth" I found a seemingly credible and detailed source which put the figure at 3.3%, so I think I was probably correct.<br /><br />Your points about the fuzziness of growth rates from a century ago are certainly correct, but I might also say the same thing about growth rates in a non-market economy such as Stalinist Russia. If you double the volume of blast-furnace-output but it doesn't produce anything useful, it's not clear that you've doubled GDP. Also, since Stalin ended up executing his entire Census Bureau as saboteurs after they discovered a mysterious "shrinkage" in the national population, I really wonder how far we can trust the much less objective economic statistics produced by such a system, either then or afterward.<br /><br />But as for my central point, whatever the precise figure for Czarist economic growth, the contemporaries of the time certainly regarded it as the fastest in Europe and with few foreseeable limits in population or natural resources, and German fear of the rapidly growing Russian industrial colossus was a major factor behind WWI.<br /><br />As for why the Russian Revolution occurred, I think suffering total military defeat and millions of dead may have been an important contributing factor...RKUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40890076752666527402012-03-13T20:24:14.979-07:002012-03-13T20:24:14.979-07:00Regarding those poor, hopeless, dumb Americans who...Regarding those poor, hopeless, dumb Americans who can't find the right side of a map, National Geographic magazine started publishing in 1888 and is still going strong. For someone who might not be familiar with it (is anybody on the planet not?) it is a non-fiction magazine that consists of travelogue-type and somewhat encyclopedia-ish articles that often seem a little on the glossy side. It's full of maps. And lots of photos... (I only read it for the maps.) Circulation about 4 and a half million.<br /><br />That's a lot of maps. Does any other country have something similar? Something that's been around that long and that has had that much readership? Are those poor dumb Americans more into geography than most of the rest of the world? We really shouldn't notice that Americans like National Geographic. We should just believe all the incessant whining.<br /><br />We might need more than Occam's razor here. Anyone seen Occam's flamethrower?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55004106000086003662012-03-13T19:53:14.289-07:002012-03-13T19:53:14.289-07:00That's a good enough reason for this upper-cas...<i>That's a good enough reason for this upper-caste Hindu to flee the wretched country,</i><br /><br />And who made India such a wretched country? Brahmins are 4% of the population yet have constituted the great majority of its Prime Ministers, bureaucracy and media. It is the anti-meritocratic caste culture of the Hindus that allowed such incompetent, corrupt, and treacherous fools to lead the Hindus for millennia. <br /><br />Now that the discriminated low caste hindus are gaining political power through democracy and claiming affirmative action quotas, the Brahmins, who themselves have always benefited from the most anti-meritocratic social system in the world are crying foul. Talk about hypocrisy!.<br /><br />It is worth noting that the rise of the low castes is slowly turning intractably hopeless India around. <br /><br />By the way, considering how treacherous these Brahmins are towards their own co-religionists and countrymen, it would be a mistake to allow them to immigrate to America. It seems to me that rec1man's posts are all designed to facilitate such immigration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53036343339923235172012-03-13T15:54:09.488-07:002012-03-13T15:54:09.488-07:00"What Friedman conviniently skipped is the PI..."What Friedman conviniently skipped is the PISA score of India."<br /><br />Given the anti-upper-caste rhetoric that seems pervasive in India, I've turned anti-India myself. I have much the same sentiment toward India that Jews post Kristallnacht had for Germany.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88864080544175208712012-03-13T15:52:09.447-07:002012-03-13T15:52:09.447-07:00"So it looks like christians are much better ..."So it looks like christians are much better off economically than brahmins, and hindus in general."<br /><br />Where is the original data? All the references to the data are references to the article itself. Rec1man's already given you the breakdown of castes for IIT, and Southern Indian Brahmins are vastly overrepresented. That's rebuttal I. <br /><br />"WHy cant SI<br />Brahmins compete with Andhraites when they also have access to caoching?"<br /><br />Andhraites (sic) is a LINGUISTIC group. Brahmin is a CASTE. Andhra Brahmins ARE South Indian Brahmins. Your real evidence for Brahmins being un-smart is that one subgroup of Brahmins seems to be dominating another?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21704932816412504442012-03-13T15:47:07.189-07:002012-03-13T15:47:07.189-07:00"Warren Buffet's presumed heir is a Jain ..."Warren Buffet's presumed heir is a Jain and both the indian-american Governors are christian."<br /><br />Jindal and Jain both belong to high-IQ Marwari/Trader groups. This is a senseless argument - John Von Neumann could be any religion (he converted to Catholicism on his deathbed), but he was really Jewish at the end of the day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26185850381604019892012-03-13T14:33:59.392-07:002012-03-13T14:33:59.392-07:00"On an unrelated matter, it seems like almost..."On an unrelated matter, it seems like almost one-third of the thread comments represent fierce arguments between upper-caste and anti-upper-caste Hindus on matters too detailed and obscure for me to easily comprehend. I suspect this sort of endless ethnic bickering is a major factor behind India's own internal social problems."<br /><br />Yeah, but when it comes to the sizes of the voting populations, the anti-upper-caste Hindus vastly outnumber the upper-caste Hindus. That's a good enough reason for this upper-caste Hindu to flee the wretched country, as it gets more and more steeped in quota-ism and affirmative action at all levels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74641671293441892202012-03-13T11:29:52.100-07:002012-03-13T11:29:52.100-07:00Maya: but I doubt those two unnamed countries cons...Maya: but I doubt those two unnamed countries constitute, together or severally, a global imperium as the USA does. It's one thing if a doof in Dusseldorf thinks Mexicans are Muslims. It's quite another if USA intelligence is ignorant of the languages of the peoples it is bombing. Students in an empire ought to be able to find their empire on a map, at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31206558802978875242012-03-13T11:16:54.331-07:002012-03-13T11:16:54.331-07:00What Friedman conviniently skipped is the PISA sco...What Friedman conviniently skipped is the PISA score of India.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71763273336823008142012-03-13T10:25:03.319-07:002012-03-13T10:25:03.319-07:00Re: Canada and Australia score well because they a...Re: Canada and Australia score well because they are the only rich countries whose immigrants, first and second generation, don't drag down the national averages. <br /><br />I can't comment on Australia, because I don't know it well enough, but Canada has taken in tons of immigrants who have dragged the country down. Start with the large number of West Indian Blacks and Somalis that have overrun Toronto and go from there. Immigration since the 60s (when, like the US, the quotas were dropped) had a mostly negative effect on Canada.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26284714536270047672012-03-13T09:48:37.914-07:002012-03-13T09:48:37.914-07:00On an unrelated matter, it seems like almost one-t...<i>On an unrelated matter, it seems like almost one-third of the thread comments represent fierce arguments between upper-caste and anti-upper-caste Hindus on matters too detailed and obscure for me to easily comprehend. I suspect this sort of endless ethnic bickering is a major factor behind India's own internal social problems.</i><br /><br />Once in online debate about a film relating to the break up of Yugoslavia, I pointed out that this film and the ensuing debate highlighted the inherent flaws of a multiethnic society. Hilariously SWPL types rose up to assail me. Comedy gold because meanwhile all around Serbs, Croats & Muslims continued to knock lumps off each other - you couldnt ask for a better illustration! Even funnier because some of the Yugoslavians stopped typing in english.<br /><br />In SWPL terms means there is no problem, if the conflict isnt in english, it isnt happening.<br /><br />Thus Indian squabbles about caste are rarely held in english, they know better than to frighten the horses with such frank talk. Thus they and white liberals can present a sort of united front to the english speaking audience ie there is no real problem with caste, nothing to see here etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19170923162712809752012-03-13T09:38:42.326-07:002012-03-13T09:38:42.326-07:00Rev Australia and immigrants. While they seem fair...Rev Australia and immigrants. While they seem fairly selective Im sure some form of regression to the mean and family reunification will grind down any long term quality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85050108875251521072012-03-13T09:37:14.736-07:002012-03-13T09:37:14.736-07:00Funny how, despite being such a smart country, the...<i>Funny how, despite being such a smart country, the average WHITE(emphasis needed) American cannot locate his country in an Atlas, or name who were the men involved in crafting the constitution, or who led the northern stated during the war of secession. Perhaps you could explain this paradox to me?</i><br /><br />Are you sure thats WHITE Americans, got studies to back that up?<br /><br />Over here in the UK the media love to propagate that idea, Americans being dumb and that American means white American. Yet I strongly suspect that the inability to locate the US on the map is stronger among blacks and hispanics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91091517528268083302012-03-13T07:48:52.987-07:002012-03-13T07:48:52.987-07:00What year is the future IQ?What year is the future IQ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52303962490092282802012-03-13T06:17:35.739-07:002012-03-13T06:17:35.739-07:00The only Indian kids who go to govt school is for ...<i>The only Indian kids who go to govt school is for the mid-day meal, If they are not starving they go to private school</i><br /><br />Since 28% of indian children go to private schools that means, according to you, 72% of indian children are starving. Other data suggests it is closer to 50%, much higher than subsaharan Africa. <br /><br />Only 7% of indians get a high school education, mostly a bad one at that, and 25% get no education at all. In other words India is full of underfed and undereducated people. How can indians hope to compete with the West and Far East? <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_India#Private_education<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malnutrition_in_IndiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63840752991285544622012-03-13T05:59:21.752-07:002012-03-13T05:59:21.752-07:00>if one has no resources, one has to become res...>if one has no resources, one has to become resourceful<<br /><br />A typically inane Friedmanism. It feels good, but when analyzed turns out to be hollow. Resources come from resourcefulness and allied virtues. If there are no resources, it's because the very people you're addressing are either<br /><br />a. not resourceful<br />b. explorers stepping into virgin territory.<br /><br />We can rule out b.<br /><br />So F. is saying "If you aren't resourceful, you need to get resourceful." He isn't an economist. He's a vain scold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52138297910954635182012-03-13T05:28:34.519-07:002012-03-13T05:28:34.519-07:00RKU,
According to the figures I've seen, the ...RKU,<br /><br /><i>According to the figures I've seen, the highest economic growth rate ever achieved in Russia was during the decade or two just before WWI and the Bolshevik Revolution</i><br /><br />Links or it didn't happen...<br /><br />J/k, but per capita Soviet growth between '45 and '89 averaged around 3% per annum. I'm not aware of <i>any</i> country on earth growing so rapidly (not the USA, no one) around the turn of last century. 3% annual per capita growth is profound; over a decade it leaves no one in any doubt that things are getting better. If things were improving as quickly and noticeably as you suggest how were the communists would have been able to drum up so much support? <br /> <br />There's a further problem. The rule with historical GDP is that, because national accounts are a modern innovation, the further back in time we go the more speculative (or specious) the numbers. Cross-country comparisons are further complicated because the purchasing power parity (PPP) whose use is required can quite easily vary by 15% up or down, and it can often seem like your say is as good as mine which it should be. So when someone claims, in effect, that Russia was the fastest growing economy on earth before the revolution, I'm inclined to be skeptical, to regard it as more likely capitalistic, anti-commie propaganda than the result of careful investigation.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80674580769250043512012-03-13T04:57:41.918-07:002012-03-13T04:57:41.918-07:00"I suspect this sort of endless ethnic bicker..."I suspect this sort of endless ethnic bickering is a major factor behind India's own internal social problems. "<br /><br />A sign of things to come? More drama for everybody!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14850784724572330662012-03-12T22:52:24.321-07:002012-03-12T22:52:24.321-07:00It's been said it was a curse for communism th...<i>It's been said it was a curse for communism that the first nation to become communist was backward Russia...Historians like John Lukacs says it would have been a great boon to communism if industrially advanced Germany</i><br /><br />Actually, I think this is a widespread myth, which strangely persisted in America throughout the Cold War.<br /><br />According to the figures I've seen, the highest economic growth rate ever achieved in Russia was during the decade or two just before WWI and the Bolshevik Revolution. In fact, the growth rate of Russia's industry (and population) was so enormous there was a widespread belief the country might soon become strong enough to completely dominate all of Europe, including Germany. German fears in this regard were a major contributing factor to its willingness to fight a "preventative" war against Russia once the 1914 crisis erupted. <br /><br />Once the Bolsheviks came to power, they quickly eliminated the problem of Russia's unduly rapid economic (and population) growth rate, and Europe was permanently saved from looming Russian domination.<br /><br /><br />On an unrelated matter, it seems like almost one-third of the thread comments represent fierce arguments between upper-caste and anti-upper-caste Hindus on matters too detailed and obscure for me to easily comprehend. I suspect this sort of endless ethnic bickering is a major factor behind India's own internal social problems.RKUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38621279134912530892012-03-12T22:37:28.201-07:002012-03-12T22:37:28.201-07:00Calculating Average Indian IQ from PISA
TN raw ma...Calculating Average Indian IQ from PISA<br /><br />TN raw math PISA score = 351<br />TN implied IQ = 100 - 1.5 x 15 = 78<br /><br />HP raw math score = 338<br />HP implied IQ = 100 - 1.62 x 15 = 76<br /><br />Indian Avg IQ based on raw PISA = 77<br /><br />--<br /><br />Next step is to remove the bias caused by the PISA sample having <br />75% bilingual kids<br /><br />( Tibetan kids facing Hindi PISA exam and Telegu kids facing Tamil PISA exam )<br /><br />TN mono-lingual = 378<br />Implied IQ = 500 - 1.22 x 15 = 82<br /><br />HP mono-lingual = 401<br />Implied IQ = 500 - 15 = 85<br /><br />--<br /><br />Next there is a 40 point difference between scores for 'Village' and scores for 'Large city'<br />In HP and TN, The village category is over-represented by a factor of 4<br />Even worse, in HP, City and Large City are entirely removed from the survey sample<br /><br />So adding an urban correction of 20 ( half the village-large city difference )<br /><br /><br />TN semi-urbanised mono-lingual = 378 + 20 = 398<br />Implied IQ = 85<br /><br />HP semi-urbanised mono-lingual = 401 + 20 = 421<br />Implied IQ = 100 - 0.79 x 15 = 88<br /><br />Current Indian IQ = 86<br /><br />--<br /><br />Next we look to the future as malnutrition is removed<br /><br />The only Indian kids who go to govt school is for the mid-day meal, <br /><br />If they are not starving they go to private school<br /><br />Private schools score 45 more than govt schools and thats the future as poverty reduces<br /><br />--<br /><br />HP - future - semi-urbanised- mono-lingual = 401 + 20 + 45 = 466<br /><br />Implied IQ = 95<br /><br /><br />TN - future - semi-urbanised - mono-lingual = 378 + 20 + 45 = 443<br /><br />Implied IQ = 91<br /><br />Future Indian IQ = 93<br /><br />Given the huge bias in sampling towards over-representing the lower end IQ, <br />by the poverty pimp NGOs, I am certain that none of the CBSE or Cambridge schools<br />that serve the top 15% upper castes are included in the survey<br /><br />And they have an entirely different IQ profile and cause an IQ bulge at the top end <br /><br />Indian middle-class expat schools in Qatar, score like white countries and some of them score at Shanghai levelsrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30658627076440492822012-03-12T21:52:23.725-07:002012-03-12T21:52:23.725-07:00To anon @ 6.39
In my post of 3/11 at 11.25
In th...To anon @ 6.39<br /><br />In my post of 3/11 at 11.25<br /><br />In the top 100 for IITs, for 2011, there are 8 dravidian Telegus vs 13 Brahmin Telegus ( out of 27 South Indian Brahmin ) , 21 North Indian brahmin and 34 North Indian merchant.<br /><br />I estimate that 20% of the top decile of Iyers / Iyengars ( the top decile wins most academic contests ) are now in the USA, thanks to the 69% official quota ( 99% actual quota ), and dravidianist harassments such as 99% unofficial ban on state govt bureacratic jobs, state govt college professor jobs, etc.<br /><br />I have gone through National Merit lists, in many US states, and each year, several hundred win the National Merit and presumably if they had not migrated to the USA, many would have shown up more in the IITsrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48093695402463397182012-03-12T19:19:24.328-07:002012-03-12T19:19:24.328-07:00Stalin outlawed abortion, as any gender studies gr...<i>Stalin outlawed abortion, as any gender studies graduate can tell you that is misogynistic and hardly a female equality thing.</i><br /><br />Pro-natalist policies by certain Commie dictators such as Stalin (and Ceausescu in Romania) doesn't change the overall fact that Communism is harmful to a country's demographics. The Soviet birth rate took a nosedive in the decade or so after Stalin's death in 1953.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32127715203486827742012-03-12T18:40:03.102-07:002012-03-12T18:40:03.102-07:00Stalin outlawed abortion, as any gender studies gr...Stalin outlawed abortion, as any gender studies graduate can tell you that is misogynistic and hardly a female equality thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81508682887034653352012-03-12T18:39:53.569-07:002012-03-12T18:39:53.569-07:00"WHy cant SI Brahmins compete with Andhraites..."WHy cant SI Brahmins compete with Andhraites when they also have access to caoching?<br /><br />This may be the most obscure sentence I've ever read in the English language. "<br /><br />Andhraites = people of Andhra Pradesh, a southern state in India, Telugu the state's main language. They make the largest percentage of students that are admitted to IITs.<br /><br />SI brahmins or Tamil brahmins that rec1man so much valorises,=are from the southernmost state of Tamil Nadu. <br />The two groups don't seem to mingle well.<br /><br />"They can be broadly divided into three religious groups, Gurukkals who follow Saivism, Iyers or Smarthas and Iyengars who follow Sri Vaishnavism."<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Brahmin<br /><br />"rec1man can you inform why the Telegu, Naidus and Reddys are the largest admits to IITs, Have all Iyers and Iyengars immigrated to US? "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com