tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2723946037136567242..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: White Flight in FinlandUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15484436671824026072011-05-13T12:20:06.894-07:002011-05-13T12:20:06.894-07:00What's wrong with white people? They used to c...What's wrong with white people? They used to conquer other lands, but today they take flight within their own countries, which they're slowly and even willfuly losing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71544344009485557362011-05-11T17:17:38.213-07:002011-05-11T17:17:38.213-07:00"The only model which seems to have worked is..."The only model which seems to have worked is the original American melting pot - if most people consider themselves as citizens of their country first and members of their cultural group is only of secondary importance you will perhaps get some local gang wars, but at least you won't get actual civil wars."<br /><br />Is that so?ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84469956722960423332011-05-10T20:10:29.285-07:002011-05-10T20:10:29.285-07:00I don't believe Stockholm has the highest rape...I don't believe Stockholm has the highest rape rates in Europe. Rape tends to rise and fall with other crimes, and plenty of other European cities are regarded as more criminal. Provide a link.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60780791218627998662011-05-10T09:16:14.137-07:002011-05-10T09:16:14.137-07:00"Sure, but Russia without Jews (and Germans -..."Sure, but Russia without Jews (and Germans - much of the pre-1917 nobility was really ethnic German/Baltic) is a disaster."<br /><br />Culture is important. German cultural values invariably led to prosperity. Russian cultural values invariably lead to chaos; or, in the best case scenario, to a benevolent dictator that keeps a lid on the chaos without killing too many people. <br /><br />On a related topic, the immensely positive role ethnic Germans played in Eastern Europe for centuries is little spoken about for obvious reasons. Ethnic Germans were the "Jews" of Eastern Europe, eventhough there were millions of real Jews around who weren't doing much. Perhaps because of anti-semitism or other reasons, Eastern European Jews were unremarkable for centuries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89702936429967322082011-05-10T09:03:00.392-07:002011-05-10T09:03:00.392-07:00Stockholm, rape capital of Europe, is right next d...Stockholm, rape capital of Europe, is right next door.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11243456841357906272011-05-10T07:42:50.640-07:002011-05-10T07:42:50.640-07:00Thanks, TH!
but the SFP, arguing that this would...Thanks, TH! <br /><br /><i>but the SFP, arguing that this would put the Swedish-speaking minority at a disadvantage as they would in any case have to learn Finnish in addition to English</i><br /><br />Ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19228938740370164452011-05-10T03:28:27.618-07:002011-05-10T03:28:27.618-07:00Well Reg that may blow my population density theor...Well Reg that may blow my population density theory --- but --- is as much of the land in Finland habitable as in the US?Wes who serves Powernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25095588044608965652011-05-10T02:23:55.709-07:002011-05-10T02:23:55.709-07:00Why was mandatory Swedish even introduced in the 7...<i>Why was mandatory Swedish even introduced in the 70s? 5% is miniscule</i>.<br /><br />It was apparently the result of a backroom deal between the Center Party of President Kekkonen and the Swedish People's Party (SFP). It was a time of very fragile government coalitions in Finland, and the SFP, which has no strong policy preferences aside from guaranteeing the rights and privileges (such as quotas in universities) of the Swedish-speakers, was (and is) a popular partner in government coalitions for this reason. Another reason might have been pressure from the Swedish-speaking moneyed interests which back then still had considerable power.<br /><br />The introduction of mandatory Swedish classes for all was a part of an overhaul of the school system where a two-track system was transformed into a single-track comprehensive school. In the old system, Swedish was mandatory for those who aimed for university, which was a minority of all students. In the original school reform bill English was the only mandatory foreign language for Finnish-speakers, but the SFP, arguing that this would put the Swedish-speaking minority at a disadvantage as they would in any case have to learn Finnish in addition to English, started to work against the bill, and managed to change it.<br /><br />Anyway, I don't see how mandatory Swedish could survive for long. While the older Finnish-speaking political elite considers it a progressive and enlightened policy to force everybody to study a language they will most likely never speak outside of school, this view is not widely shared by anyone else among the Finnish-speaking majority, and even powerful lobbies such as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_of_Finnish_Industries" rel="nofollow">EK</a> want to get rid of Swedish in favor of Russian and other more useful languages.THnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82593146829371720782011-05-10T01:28:43.209-07:002011-05-10T01:28:43.209-07:00"I have always found it ironic that the great..."I have always found it ironic that the great champions of the Finnish language in the 19th century had the very Swedish names of Johan Snellman and Elias Lönnrot."<br /><br /><br />This is a useless battle, but<br />I don`t see the irony at least in Lönnrot`s case, because probably everyone in Western Finland has a Swedish surname or surname translated from Swedish. <br />One of those "champions" Alexis Kivi was Alexis Stenvall, but his mother`s tongue was Finnish as was Lönnrot`s. Is it ironic that Irish nationalist have English language names? And Elias is also a Finnish name, btw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40461264873114343152011-05-10T00:55:30.447-07:002011-05-10T00:55:30.447-07:00The Swedish-speaking part of the Finnish populatio...The Swedish-speaking part of the Finnish population has shrunk continuously for centuries, but this has accelerated over recent decades.<br /><br />I have always found it ironic that the great champions of the Finnish language in the 19th century had the very Swedish names of Johan Snellman and Elias Lönnrot.Waldemarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46482773239705812812011-05-09T23:58:48.377-07:002011-05-09T23:58:48.377-07:00Population density of the continents:
North Ameri...<i>Population density of the continents:<br /><br />North America - 32 people per square mile<br /><br />Europe - 134 people per square mile</i> --Wes fan<br /><br />Finland has 40 people per square mile, which is quite a bit <i>less</i> dense than the United States.<br /><br />Your "North America" includes Labrador, Nunavut, Yukon, the North Slope, and Baffin and Ellesmere Islands. I'd rather escape to Rovaniemi!Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58965592688772982352011-05-09T22:23:09.142-07:002011-05-09T22:23:09.142-07:00"Sure, but Russia without Jews (and Germans -...<b>"Sure, but Russia without Jews (and Germans - much of the pre-1917 nobility was really ethnic German/Baltic) is a disaster."</b><br /><br />Was Russia ever <i>not</i> a disaster? To set aside the issue of Jews, everytime I read about Russian capitalists I understand a little more why Russians embraced communism. With capitalists like that I would, too.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5066363680760084862011-05-09T21:50:33.844-07:002011-05-09T21:50:33.844-07:00Why was mandatory Swedish even introduced in the 7...Why was mandatory Swedish even introduced in the 70s? 5% is miniscule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20304804007908685152011-05-09T20:33:31.390-07:002011-05-09T20:33:31.390-07:00"Sure, but Russia without Jews (and Germans -..."Sure, but Russia without Jews (and Germans - much of the pre-1917 nobility was really ethnic German/Baltic) is a disaster."<br /><br />The 30 million or so murdered by the Bolsheviks included most of the brightest. It takes time to recover from something like that.<br /><br />.<br />"Immigration can work if the new immigrants really are smart and motivated" <br /><br />The critical factor is loyalty. If the immigrants are only loyal to their own in-group then the smarter and more motivated they are the more damage they'll cause in the long run.<br /><br />.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31851522215008630082011-05-09T20:01:53.395-07:002011-05-09T20:01:53.395-07:00The True Finns Party is an anti-Swedish party even...<i>The True Finns Party is an anti-Swedish party even more so than they are anti-immigration. Their main priority is to remove Swedish as an official language after 800 years and to remove the mandatory Swedish classes from school.<br /><br />As a Swede living in Sweden I find it a little sad</i>.<br /><br />To say that the True Finns are primarily an "anti-Swedish" party is ridiculous, probably a result of your relying on the Swedish media's warped reporting on Finland. The party has Swedish-speaking members, e.g. Tom Packalén who was just elected to the parliament from Helsinki.<br /><br />To force the entire population of Finland to learn Swedish does not make any more sense than forcing all Swedes (in Sweden) to learn Finnish. The policy of mandatory Swedish in all Finnish schools was introduced only in the 1970s, so talking about "800 years" makes no sense. Swedish has always been as foreign a language for most Finns as Finnish is for Swedes.<br /><br />The True Finns want to abolish mandatory Swedish classes, and the vast majority of all Finns agree with them. To do so would go a long way towards normalizing and Westernizing Finnish language policy, in which the Swedish language (or rather a particular dialect thereof) currently has a status similar to that of Russian in communist Eastern Europe or Afrikaans in the National Party-run South Africa. <br /><br />The only ones to oppose the language reform are the Swedish-speakers, the Swedish People's Party (SFP), and the party elites of some Finnish-speaking parties. Nevertheless, some forward-looking elements even among the SFP understand that the policy of mandatory Swedish is irrational and counterproductive from the perspective of Swedish-speakers. For example, vice-chairman of the SFP Nils Torvalds (father of Linus Torvalds, BTW) recently suggested that mandatory Swedish classes should be abolished. (He was then fired from his position though, apparently precisely because of his liberal views on language policy.)THnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38317810435378564762011-05-09T18:39:58.601-07:002011-05-09T18:39:58.601-07:00However, if you already made a choice to let our k...However, if you already made a choice to let our kind in, assimilation shouldn't be an option. Those Finns should do everything they possibly can to teach little Omar finnish and proper manners, if they can't kick him out. I have plenty of Russian-speaking family that historically reside in Estonia (a nice little country right by Finland) and refuse to learn Estonian. Estonia doesn't grant citizenship to anyone whose parents aren't Estonian and who can't pass a citizenship exam, in Estonian. You'd think the 3rd generation residents would make sure their kids go to Estonian daycares, pre-schools and schools (all freely available) to make a Euro citizenship possible, but no. Now, they are nearly 1/3 of the population and getting troublesome. <br />If you can't kick us out/keep us out, FORCE proper conduct onto the young, at least. No bilingual education. Harsh discipline in schools. District curfews. My school district did pretty well, actually. Sorry for eating your money, but you got a deal in the long run. Dumping money into the education system does work, as long as the students are held accountable, instead of the teachers. Scratch all those laptops, smart boards and ipads and hire some full time discipline professionals. Also, allow schools to fail everyone who merits a failing grade. Even if they later con you into paying for their summer schools and/or community college classes, it's still better than having your neighborhood school lose all credibility. Oh, and the school has to retain the right to place each student into the level it sees fit for each subject. I wonder if my district had a good lawyer on staff... We even had elaborate Christmas celebrations every year despite being located in a historically jewish area with a growing muslim population. Was this possible only because our section 8 rifraf (1/2) of the student body was still classified as white/asian? My school had no trouble sending kids to Harvard and MIT as well as jail and the local ethnic grocery store. They just happened to be honest who was who from the get go. This was the north side of Chicago.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4187609141703709582011-05-09T18:39:44.046-07:002011-05-09T18:39:44.046-07:00As an Eastern European child immigrant, I don'...As an Eastern European child immigrant, I don't think I made the educational experience of my fellow students below average or dangerous, but I did suck up a lot of resources. Our ESL department was huge and multi-layered, we had an extra social worker, translating services, a foreign accent-specific speech therapist and free school lunches for all recent immigrants. Plus, I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but immigration is an INCREDIBLY stressful time for a family. Immigration brings out the best in the select few, and the absolute worst in the majority. The rate of divorce among the immigrant couples must be sky high based on what I observed. Kids engage in behaviors they wouldn't engage in back home. Adults do too, for that matter. I wouldn't go back to the immigrant ghetto to raise my family because of the atmosphere and the examples that type of sea of humanity would set. Btw, my immigrant ghetto was mostly asian/eastern european, and there was a steady upward flow of people securing a steady income and buying their own homes. Can't imagine what it would be like growing up in a different type of an immigrant ghetto, where the crooks are more risk-prone and less future oriented. We'd probably steal cars instead of bikes.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43731351247971580572011-05-09T18:32:28.814-07:002011-05-09T18:32:28.814-07:00"As a Swede living in Sweden I find it a litt..."<i>As a Swede living in Sweden I find it a little sad.</i>"<br /><br />As an American living in America, I found that a little stupid. Now, if Finnish were an official language of your country, Sweden, your statement wouldn't be so stupid. <br /><br />"Press 1 for Finnish, press 2 for Swedish." Is that what you want to go through every time you call up a big company for service? How 'bout road signs in both languages? I heard Finnish was a damnably hard language to learn and not related to other languages.<br /><br />(Still, I guess it can't be any harder than any of the arabic languages, where, if no phlegm comes out of your mouth as you speak, you're apparently unintelligible and definitely not a native speaker.)Mel Tormenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-92110301976513390252011-05-09T18:02:33.380-07:002011-05-09T18:02:33.380-07:00Well, that is the central theme of the most insigh...Well, that is the central theme of the most insightful book ever written about modern art, Tom Wolfe's "The Painted Word," although I think Wolfe phrased it: Art theory disappeared up its own fundamental aperture.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82833534568075888622011-05-09T17:50:08.876-07:002011-05-09T17:50:08.876-07:00"how sometimes a foreigner can be more poetic..."how sometimes a foreigner can be more poetic than a native English speaker."<br /><br />A foreigner can very often be more poetic than a native speaker. All through high school, I've been wowing my English teachers by translating the most common place, everyday phrases in my native tongue into English, word by word. When I tried the same thing in reverse at home, mother smacked me upside the head. <br /><br />It must be a western thing, congratulating foreigners on their depth of soul and intellectual prowess or whatever because I was also very much praised in France, translating American phrases into French. They particularly liked, "She disappeared up her own ass."Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26894313328396999132011-05-09T17:22:36.754-07:002011-05-09T17:22:36.754-07:00So this is how the world ends, not with a bang but...So this is how the world ends, not with a bang but with a yell in your cultural agonyTop Brahminhttp://www.loc.gov/poetry/laureate_current.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58330425311744911732011-05-09T17:19:34.555-07:002011-05-09T17:19:34.555-07:00The True Finns Party is an anti-Swedish party even...The True Finns Party is an anti-Swedish party even more so than they are anti-immigration. Their main priority is to remove Swedish as an official language after 800 years and to remove the mandatory Swedish classes from school.<br /><br />As a Swede living in Sweden I find it a little sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69002936625394980752011-05-09T17:15:34.332-07:002011-05-09T17:15:34.332-07:00"They just yell in their cultural agony.”
Tha..."They just yell in their cultural agony.”<br />That turn of phrase reminds me of Joseph Conrad; how sometimes a foreigner can be more poetic than a native English speaker.<br /><br />Gilbert PinfoldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65798432943602717002011-05-09T16:08:39.914-07:002011-05-09T16:08:39.914-07:00One would think the inhabitants of the most remote...One would think the inhabitants of the most remote northern countries would be in theory the people who hold a 'national memory' of having done the most fleeing over the aeons since we left Africa, and should be more likely to resist outsiders. Or in the case of Sweden, developed a sophisticated altruistic community which does not translate in practice to assimilating outsiders, and holds the seeds of its own destruction.Content Warningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45883825328036901682011-05-09T15:54:46.661-07:002011-05-09T15:54:46.661-07:00Previously this demographic [small-town and rural ...<i>Previously this demographic [small-town and rural Finland] was represented by the Center party, but the Center party has been taken over ideologically by the cosmopolitan elites and is no longer representing their base.</i><br /><br />Funny how that happens, isn't it?<br /><br />CennbeorcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com