tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2745942956571326348..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "The Perils of Diversity" by Byron M. RothUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61170861604293273132011-02-16T20:58:13.223-08:002011-02-16T20:58:13.223-08:00The Future Is Now:
The high-IQ enclaves I've ...The Future Is Now:<br /><br />The high-IQ enclaves I've ever seen have been either college towns, or places where the support people (nurses and policemen, receptionists and school teachers, daycare workers and janitors) had to live somewhere else, because they simply couldn't afford to live in those communities. <br /><br />This raises questions about what a high-IQ society would look like.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43532009472261341512011-02-16T18:17:23.733-08:002011-02-16T18:17:23.733-08:00Anonymous (above) who wants his "scabby demon...Anonymous (above) who wants his "scabby demoncock" sucked:<br /><br />You're all wet on the difference in "tax-eating" between the relatively conservative (red) and relatively liberal (blue) states.<br /><br />It is quite true that among those states that pay in more then they receive (less than 20), blue states predominate (maybe 13 or 14;<br />just don't remember clearly). First place, NJ, then CT and NY.<br />That's simply because those states (and the other net payers) simply happen to be where the biggest incomes are located (and taxed)--nothing whatever to do with what the average wage or salary (or small business operators) have to pay with relation to similar folks in conservative areas.<br /><br />Likewise, the fact that quite a few conservative states receive significantly higher amounts than they pay in (up to about 38% more) has to do with something entirely different than dependency: the fact these are sparsely-settled (in comparison) than more urbanized states and, so, have vast areas for which roads and bridges and other "infrastructure" must be built and maintained, not for the specific advantage of the inhabitants as for the "general welfare." Not everyone flies over "flyover country"--plenty of the city-folk want to traverse first-class hiways both for work and on vacation. Further, it's a fact that most of the national parks, etc., are in such areas and, whether expenditures on such account may not figure in the disbursements we discuss, they are yet likely to cause increases in the otherwise-normal population (and these might have increased need of federal contribution). These "underpopulated" states, moreover, are, by and large, the locales of many of the ag and tech schools in line for moolah. And, though subsidized crops take a hefty bite, I'd guess (though I don't know for sure), these were historically supported by the most populous of cities, who, long ago, log-rolled with the farmers of the midwest (who supported the institution of low-cost school lunches in return). Further, I'd guess that those places home to military bases have surrounding lower-income areas chronically<br />costing amounts higher than would be characteristic of the remainder of their territory.Gene Bermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86479129623315386322011-02-16T16:04:58.637-08:002011-02-16T16:04:58.637-08:00To Alfred, who said,
"Perhaps gays want to ...To Alfred, who said, <br /><br />"Perhaps gays want to increase population density because population density is something that correlates with homosexuality...<br /><br />"Population density itself has been correlated with homosexuality to the point where some think it may be a cause of it- it has been found that high densities of mice in mouse colonies will lead to higher levels of homosexuality. Maybe it's something ancient in the genes to apply the brakes on population growth when population density gets too high, to help prevent a Malthusian collapse. How this would work to be selected for in the first place would be something that could be intensely debated..."<br /><br /><br />Alfred, check out Ewald and Cochran's hypothesis--that male homosexuality likely is the result of a pathogen (probably a virus). Cochran has pointed out that, yes, there is evidence that a higher % of males who are gay were born in urban rather than rural or suburban areas.<br /><br />This would be be unrelated to selection, of course. Rather, pathogens spread more easily in the city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77870794465143593312011-02-16T10:45:57.994-08:002011-02-16T10:45:57.994-08:00Look at the relative diversity of Silicon Valley. ...<i>Look at the relative diversity of Silicon Valley. A mish mash of different ethnic groups working for a common goal.</i><br /><br />Silicon Valley exists within a wider society.<br /><br /><i>Neither does ethnicity show a market cooperation either. That's the whole reason for the rise of globalization.</i><br /><br />Not perfectly. But it's not clear to me that globalization isn't a "parasitic liberalism" phenomenon (look it up if you're interested).<br /><br /><i>Where do you derive these statements of nationalism always trumping societies with strong cognitive elites classes?</i><br /><br />Nations which attempt to build a state around a small elite core haven't existed (maybe they can now, they certainly haven't historically). States built around an ideal of a mono-class, the working class, have been attempted, which is what I am referring to. They lose out to nationalist nations without this ideal and with some concept of division of labor (it is because they have another communal and group basis that they are able to maintain this division of labor).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51216587165814166592011-02-16T06:43:02.609-08:002011-02-16T06:43:02.609-08:00Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ lower...<i>Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ lower than 130 from the US to wherever. Then we took in everyone else in the world who had an IQ above 130.</i><br /><br />That is already happening on a via ethnic/economic cleansing on a smaller scale in communities like Lincoln Park, Evanston, Palo Alto, the Berkeley Hills, Palos Verdes, Beverly Hills, Manhattan, NW Wash DC, Chevy Chase, etc (or within Neighborhoods within these communities).<br /><br />As technology advances, more low-IQ service jobs will be increasingly automated like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driverless_car" rel="nofollow">driving a truck</a> or <a href="http://www.onlyinjapan.org/2010/10/20/fuamen-the-new-japanese-restaurant-with-robot-chefs/" rel="nofollow">making a fast food</a>.<br /><br />High-IQ enclaves already exists and are not dystopian like some here imagine. The most vocal leftist critics of HBD probably live in such nice neighborhoods.The Future is Nownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50459671309396539522011-02-16T06:19:55.085-08:002011-02-16T06:19:55.085-08:00"I say let's deport a few million low IQ ..."I say let's deport a few million low IQ whites and replace them with high IQ East Asians. All for the betterment of America."<br /><br />I say deport everyone who thinks like you. America would heal up within 20 years.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21555103767919327372011-02-16T04:37:02.412-08:002011-02-16T04:37:02.412-08:00Perhaps gays want to increase population density b...Perhaps gays want to increase population density because population density is something that correlates with homosexuality. Maybe its a percentage thing, and if you have more people, and 1% (or 5 or whatever the actual number is) of them are gay, then you have enough to form a critical mass of an entire gay neighborhood/region of a city as opposed to a thinly populated area. Maybe its because in densely populated areas, people lose their identity, don't personally know all their neighbors and don't care much what the other people do- trying dressing like a drag queen in a small rural midwest town vs. L.A. <br /><br />Population density itself has been correlated with homosexuality to the point where some think it may be a cause of it- it has been found that high densities of mice in mouse colonies will lead to higher levels of homosexuality. Maybe it's something ancient in the genes to apply the brakes on population growth when population density gets too high, to help prevent a Malthusian collapse. How this would work to be selected for in the first place would be something that could be intensely debated, as losing the ability to reproduce for the sake of others doesn't get passed on very well, unless you benefit alot of relatives in doing so.Alfrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28230155161007979732011-02-15T19:28:48.315-08:002011-02-15T19:28:48.315-08:00"Importing food for medicine and technology.
..."Importing food for medicine and technology.<br /><br />It can work."<br /><br />Not quite.<br />Who's going to drive the trucks to bring the french fries to your local McDonalds?JSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55879942518530000482011-02-15T18:00:54.095-08:002011-02-15T18:00:54.095-08:00"haha, I can certainly imagine it: The vast m..."haha, I can certainly imagine it: The vast majority of those allowed to stay in the country would starve..."<br /><br />Importing food for medicine and technology.<br /><br />It can work.<br /><br />I just don't know how many IQ 130 people would enjoy taking out the trash or being a technician or anything.Descartesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2954707761991548732011-02-15T17:57:40.537-08:002011-02-15T17:57:40.537-08:00"But Jewish imperialism derived from zionism ..."But Jewish imperialism derived from zionism as expressed through developing means of nuking the Germans? Oh, yeah, baby."<br /><br />Have you even seen his views on nuclear weapons? All he had done was written about his concern of German nuclear programs, which had prompted the creation of the Manhattan project.<br /><br />After it was actually used and he had witnessed its impact on the world, he had campaigned widely and strongly against nuclear weapons. Most significantly the Einstein-Russell manifesto of leading intellectuals was signed.<br /><br />But why should I bother telling you that. Its just better to classify everyone according to one archetypal dimension.Descartesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37605763706554552622011-02-15T17:40:39.892-08:002011-02-15T17:40:39.892-08:00"Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ..."Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ lower than 130 from the US to wherever."<br /><br />haha, I can certainly imagine it: The vast majority of those allowed to stay in the country would starve...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10284964728357544912011-02-15T16:53:05.866-08:002011-02-15T16:53:05.866-08:00Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ lower...<i>Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ lower than 130 from the US to wherever. Then we took in everyone else in the world who had an IQ above 130.<br /><br />I can only imagine the high IQ Utopian paradise that America would become. To me, that's the ultimate immigration policy for this country.</i><br /><br />What's it to you? You'd be living elsewhere.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83648597220399674862011-02-15T14:43:15.147-08:002011-02-15T14:43:15.147-08:00"Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ..."<i>Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ lower than 130 from the US to wherever.</i>"<br /><br />If that came to pass, where are you thinking of headin' to? "Wherever" is pretty vague. <br /><br />Me, I'm not going anywhere. I'll be staying right here to welcome the newcomers with their > 130 IQs. Someone of us high-IQ holdovers need to show these intelligent people how to start their cars, operate a crescent wrench, mow their own yards, etc.Mel Tormenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35120831779319300122011-02-15T14:15:05.697-08:002011-02-15T14:15:05.697-08:00"But its quite obvious that he opposes imperi..."But its quite obvious that he opposes imperialism that derives from nationalism"<br /><br />So long as its non-Jewish nationalism.<br /><br />But Jewish imperialism derived from zionism as expressed through developing means of nuking the Germans? Oh, yeah, baby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69467474535628231082011-02-15T13:32:19.579-08:002011-02-15T13:32:19.579-08:00Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ lower...Imagine that we deported everyone with an IQ lower than 130 from the US to wherever. Then we took in everyone else in the world who had an IQ above 130.<br /><br />I can only imagine the high IQ Utopian paradise that America would become. To me, that's the ultimate immigration policy for this country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40951586377724834792011-02-15T11:18:01.936-08:002011-02-15T11:18:01.936-08:00Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the mea...<i>Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.<br />- Albert Einstein</i><br /><br /><i>I am against nationalism but in favor of Zionism [Blumenfeld quotes Einstein as having told him]. The reason has become clear to me today. When a man has both arms and he is always saying I have a right arm, then he is a chauvinist. However, when the right arm is missing, then he must do something to make up for the missing limb. Therefore, I am, as a human being, an opponent of nationalism. But as a Jew I am from today a supporter of the Jewish Zionist efforts. Ronald W. Clark, Einstein: The Life and Times, World Publishing (1971) p. 378.</i><br />funny how that works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25524934238725802122011-02-15T08:27:56.126-08:002011-02-15T08:27:56.126-08:00You anti-immigrationists are anti-democracy.
So, ...<i>You anti-immigrationists are anti-democracy. </i><br />So, please show me where the American, British, French.. well all, western people mandated mass immigration? I don't recall campaign promises to increase diversity and demographically marginalize native born peoples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53823387272321205912011-02-15T08:26:28.803-08:002011-02-15T08:26:28.803-08:00"Also, he [Einstein] might have supported Isr..."Also, he [Einstein] might have supported Israel, but he himself didn't marry a Jew."<br /><br />Silver, you're an idiot. Einstein's second wife, Elsa Einstein Lowenthal Einstein, was his first cousin maternally and his second cousin paternally.JSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90983081195828418552011-02-15T08:20:17.045-08:002011-02-15T08:20:17.045-08:00"if other kinds abide by the same rules we..."if other kinds abide by the same rules we'll have less conflict and more cooperation and all live better lives"<br /><br />BWAH HA HA HA HA HAJSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25925600507764856772011-02-15T07:54:21.328-08:002011-02-15T07:54:21.328-08:00Fill in the blank with the correct answer: If we ...Fill in the blank with the correct answer: <i>If we are true believers of ----------, [immigration selection] should be class and IQ based, not race-based.</i><br /><br />Considering the large number of correct answers to this test question, I'd say there was about zero probability that even the dimmest or most unprepared student could manage to get to the far side of wrong with wild random guesses like "HBD", or "sociobiology", or "evolutionary psychology" on this one. It's inconceivable.Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7984431121482215662011-02-15T07:31:08.204-08:002011-02-15T07:31:08.204-08:00And if you like non-white people so much, why wait...<i>And if you like non-white people so much, why wait for them to come here? Why don't you white liberals just go live in Africa or Mexico.<br />Yeah, that would be win-win for everyone.</i><br /><br />It's a mystery, it is. <i>Most</i> places on this earth are non-white or white-minority, which must make them, according to pee-cee theology, superior for human flourishing by just about every criteria. There is no rationale they could give for staying in whitey-land that would not either contradict another deeply held point of their dogma, or make them complicit in the alleged Western imperialism that they deplore.<br /><br />That is, if they say "but I don't want to move because this is my home and I'm comfortable in my own culture", they wreck their theology at its core. If they admit that the West <i>is</i> a better place to live, they'll contend that's only because whitey stole all the cargo - but then that makes them receivers of stolen goods.<br /><br />(Heh, who am I kidding. Kylie is right - we're not talking about people who care about integrity or logical consistency.)<br /><br /><i>That way, both sides win. White conservatives live in white societies, and white liberals live in majority non-white societies[...]</i><br /><br />Then again, maybe they won't leave because making life hell for white conservatives is the only thing left in this world to give meaning and structure to their empty, pointless lives.Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43861982728398328732011-02-15T07:14:37.250-08:002011-02-15T07:14:37.250-08:00"If you've got two setups, one of which y..."If you've got two setups, one of which you can defect from and keep cryptic and really split as much as you want, arbitrarily, (class and IQ) and one of which you can't (ethnic group) one of these is going to be more stable when it comes to group action. Which are people going to have more trust in and work cohesively as a group in?"<br /><br />Depends on what group action is. If its national socialism, its obvious. If its modern capitalism where racial allegiances are gone in favor of actual merit, class is.<br /><br />Look at the relative diversity of Silicon Valley. A mish mash of different ethnic groups working for a common goal. <br /><br /><br />"And in any case, individual IQ does not track the whole of that which makes people work well together, which is ultimately the crux of optimising human capital."<br /><br />Individual IQ is necessary for people to work well in IQ-demanding industries. That's were I'm pointing at. Neither does ethnicity show a market cooperation either. That's the whole reason for the rise of globalization. <br /><br />"Class" does better but ultimately, acting according to class creates monocultures of labour which does not suit any group (which is why ethnicity is a more efficient and better communal bond than class and why nationalist and racist societies beat classist and casteist societies).<br /><br />There is almost always an existing divide between classes within any ethnic group. It wouldn't change much except expand and marginalize the smaller groups. <br /><br />Where do you derive these statements of nationalism always trumping societies with strong cognitive elites classes?Descartesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58795190844988213082011-02-15T07:06:03.043-08:002011-02-15T07:06:03.043-08:00Einstein opposed the creation of Israel on violent...Einstein opposed the creation of Israel on violent grounds. He was part of the wave of zionists that wanted peaceful cooperation, starting from the works of Theodore Herzl. He had written to American Jews on the terror brought about by Irgun and Menachem Begin.<br /><br />Einstein justified the Israeli and Indian state as existing because they did not exist before. They were not nationalistic in that sense because they weren't nations yet.<br /><br />But its quite obvious that he opposes imperialism that derives from nationalism, such as that of the Second and Third Reich of his homeland.Descartesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74016741881087266422011-02-15T06:46:31.060-08:002011-02-15T06:46:31.060-08:00It's Garrett Hardin and he is worth reading. I...<i>It's Garrett Hardin and he is worth reading. I'd recommend "The Tragedy of the Commons."</i><br /><br />Yes, mass immigration turns a country into a "commons", with precisely the consequences that Hardin describes -- i.e., the country changes from a going concern to a liquidation.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91128415458801918962011-02-15T06:34:39.839-08:002011-02-15T06:34:39.839-08:00About half of Jews intermarry....
As always, this...<i>About half of Jews intermarry....</i><br /><br />As always, this is mere assertion. The last time anyone checked (1989), the figure was 14%.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.com