tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2826004289614829734..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: NYT, 1986: Boyhood Effeminacy and Later HomosexualityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14185826544040059172014-01-22T10:01:58.858-08:002014-01-22T10:01:58.858-08:00"...for men at least, in most cases [sexual o...<i>"...for men at least, in most cases [sexual orientation] seems pretty hardwired..."</i><br /><br />I have no grounds to dispute that, but there is still a lot that leaves out, and for the reasons noted above, that is not likely to be thoroughly researched any time soon. For example, there are paraphiliacs who can only get aroused in the presence of squashed cockroaches, or human feces, or more alarmingly, in the proximity of intense pain. So for some people, something can happen well after the womb that drastically alters their sexual preferences. Therefore, I would not find it particularly surprising if there are male homosexuals who can only get sexually aroused in the presence of a woman’s vagina, and conversely, heterosexual men who need to see a penis (or some other male body part) to get their funk on, at which point, the whole notion of homosexuality and heterosexuality loses its meaning. (That being said, that kind if impressioning may only be possible in early childhood, which might still mean that many people are pretty much hard-wired by the time they are adults.)HAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10306471825573308092014-01-21T11:37:26.608-08:002014-01-21T11:37:26.608-08:00Of course the politically correct line is that it ...<i>Of course the politically correct line is that it is impossible ever for any homosexual to become non-homosexual, even women, and saying otherwise is hate speech.</i><br /><br />There is a difference between political correctness, and simple LIVE AND LET LIVE, which is actually a very manly and conservative virtue.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39368251325344285702014-01-21T03:38:41.335-08:002014-01-21T03:38:41.335-08:00''At best. At worst they are Nazis / Khmer...''At best. At worst they are Nazis / Khmer Rouge about their conformity and uncreativity.''<br /><br />In this case you're talking about psychopaths and sociopaths . I refer to the normal types , normal man , within the range of balanced distribution of hormones , where the nerds are on the border . These people tend to be also biologically normal , with brains designed for group behavior and always cooperative . In other words are pseudo - cowards (they are not cowards indeed, because your biology has a major influence on this type of behavior, do not do it on purpose , maybe nobody do it on purpose , we are all pseudo - zombies , slaves of nature ) . For example , my mother currently believes that homosexuality is normal , she does not believe because you believe internally , ie , built his own belief . She believes because the media pushes it daily and like all come to believe more or less the same thing , it follows the group.<br />The same Germans who engage in today with multiculturalism are exactly the same were shy enthusiasts of Nazism. I mean, they are not conservative, high testosterone and low estrogen. I call this type of shallow man. The trend unhappy of mankind is that they colonize all anthropocentric pores, precisely because they are devoid of inner essence and therefore extremely adaptable. <br />If you read 1984, you should have read the part where the protagonist says that'' the same dark, and low type, is what else has survived while the government propaganda shows young slender, blond and athletic.''<br />Geniuses are the exact opposite of the shallow man and rightfully so that communism is extremely harmful to human creativity. Because the communist leaders are all mostly the type sociopath that as with their brothers psychopaths are not genuinely creative. Genius is the greatest enemy of equality.Gottliebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32626252112206302832014-01-21T03:14:50.520-08:002014-01-21T03:14:50.520-08:00''More people packed into the same space (...''More people packed into the same space (and thus more intense competition) should mean greater dimorphism, not less.''<br /><br />Then you could explain to us why the most densely populated areas have lower dimorphism. In densely populated regions, intense competition should be replaced by cooperation, because it has little room for the male ego. As a result, men'' extras'', or extreme types are slowly eliminated. This explains the smaller amount of creative geniuses and classically creative types in Asia.Gottliebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70705208599629754092014-01-21T02:39:08.081-08:002014-01-21T02:39:08.081-08:00"Percy Gryce said...
Doesn't the Green st..."Percy Gryce said...<br />Doesn't the Green study indicate that we should do everything possible to prevent the normalization of homosexuality? I realize that that train has left the station, but the truth is still the truth."<br /><br />I got the impression it was saying that would only make a difference in a minority of cases, and even that not certain. <br /><br />HA:<br />"There is even a body of research (by non-fundamentalists) showing that a small fraction (i.e. significantly < 50%) of homosexuals *do* appear to benefit from a concerted effort to become, well, less homosexual. Here’s one such article." <br /><br />This seems right. It would be more surprising if it was impossible ever to change orientation. But <br />for men at least, in most cases it seems pretty hardwired in. It looks as if a minority of gay men can become ex-gay, but the majority cannot, even if they want to.<br />Of course the politically correct line is that it is impossible ever for any homosexual to become non-homosexual, even women, and saying otherwise is hate speech.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72033415873283368892014-01-20T22:20:16.989-08:002014-01-20T22:20:16.989-08:00That was the case in East and South Asia for all o...<i>That was the case in East and South Asia for all of recorded history - heavy crowding leading to androgyny. Compare the massive sexual dimorphism of classical Europe, Middle East, and especially Africa to the lesser dimorphism of China and India.</i><br /><br />More people packed into the same space (and thus more intense competition) should mean greater dimorphism, not less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53448447113968661672014-01-20T21:46:05.127-08:002014-01-20T21:46:05.127-08:00Doesn't the Green study indicate that we shoul...Doesn't the Green study indicate that we should do everything possible to prevent the normalization of homosexuality? I realize that that train has left the station, but the truth is still the truth.Percy Grycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40030361705523543502014-01-20T17:48:39.431-08:002014-01-20T17:48:39.431-08:00Why should anyone in the West give any credit to d...<i>Why should anyone in the West give any credit to dumb lazy long-haired bearded heathen wogs</i><br /><br />You really need to get out more, and maybe leave the white sheets at home next time. They’re clearly obstructing your vision. Contrary to what you might have picked up from some of the comments here, not all Asians got their professorships and patents and research citations by copying someone else’s work. But something tells me it’s pointless to argue with the likes of you on that matter. <br /><br />So let me instead point out that the Western ideal of homosexual (which did not really exist in the West, either, until about half century ago), and Asian notions of being a real man, are beside the point when it comes to wanting male children who prefer the kind of procreation that does not involve turkey basters. Many people the whole planet over will pay good money to ensure they give birth to one of those, regardless of what some in the West might think of it. Now, if you want to believe those heathens are only going to be able to monetize that desire by first hiring some Übermensch to figure it out for them, you go ahead and believe whatever helps you sleep at night, but they've done that kind of thing before. So, one way or another, it’s going to happen – i.e., if it can happen.HAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36871096785433895932014-01-20T16:34:29.587-08:002014-01-20T16:34:29.587-08:00I don’t think you’re giving Korean/Chinese/Indian ...<i>I don’t think you’re giving Korean/Chinese/Indian and other such researchers enough credit.</i><br /><br />Why should anyone in the West give any credit to dumb lazy long-haired bearded heathen wogs who somehow mastered Affordable Family Formation?<br /><br /><i>To the extent there’s a rupee to be made from preventing homosexuality among the offspring of those who are already expending considerable effort into making sure their next child is not another female, that money will be spent. There is a wide world out there that is immune to current Western notions regarding homosexual rights.</i><br /><br />First of all the Western idea of "homosexual" doesn't really exist in China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, India, and Indonesia. The best way to solve the gay problem is not to have any.<br /><br />Second of all, so much of Western masculinity is nothing more than slave morality gussied up as sportsmanship, chivalry, honour, fair play, Americanism, etc. In Asia, being a real man means being an elitist master not a slave, in countries where such a thing is still legal.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40675049936844393502014-01-20T15:43:30.109-08:002014-01-20T15:43:30.109-08:00if money were spent on it, it shouldn't be too...<i>if money were spent on it, it shouldn't be too hard to find out the microbiology of sexual attraction and then, what screws it up.</i><br /><br />I don’t think you’re giving Korean/Chinese/Indian and other such researchers enough credit. To the extent there’s a rupee to be made from preventing homosexuality among the offspring of those who are already expending considerable effort into making sure their next child is not another female, that money will be spent. There is a wide world out there that is immune to current Western notions regarding homosexual rights.HAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16501632257296160172014-01-20T15:05:55.310-08:002014-01-20T15:05:55.310-08:00"But we will never be allowed to have an hone...<i>"But we will never be allowed to have an honest account of any of that. My impression, for example, is that gays, even in our far more accepting society, are more likely to be depressed and unhappy than others…"</i><br /><br />If you do a basic search on homosexuality and depression, you will see that the accounting so far indicates that homosexuals *are* significantly more likely to be depressed, even in relatively accepting countries (e.g. the Nordics). There is even a body of research (by non-fundamentalists) showing that a small fraction (i.e. significantly < 50%) of homosexuals *do* appear to benefit from a concerted effort to become, well, less homosexual. Here’s <a href="www.firstthings.com/article/2012/01/same-sex-science" rel="nofollow"> one such article. </a><br /><br />Of course, I have no idea how much of that kind of research is being denounced by certain people as biased, or based on insufficient data, or just plain hateful, to the extent that it is simply buried by the mainstream press, and to the extent that many of those involved will find it difficult to obtain tenure or further research money, but that’s a separate issue.HAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74344125930190449902014-01-20T15:01:51.038-08:002014-01-20T15:01:51.038-08:00peterike said..."Speaking of absent fathers, ...peterike said..."Speaking of absent fathers, Howard Stern would invariably ask strippers and porn stars if they had absent fathers, and they nearly always said yes. Anecdotal, but very consistent."<br /><br />A friend of mine (born and raised in California) who took a 2-3 year work assignment in Ft. Lauderdale. He didn't know anybody, however as freshly minted Harvard MBA was full of self-confidence. He decided to cut a swath through the South Florida stripper population. <br /><br />I'll spare you the details of how he achieved this (via prostitution) but he was quite successful (to the extent you'd define sleeping with a bunch of strippers as successful). After about a year or so he grew tired of it (he described it as like kicking puppies) he moved on to normal women. <br /><br />He told me that, of the more than a dozen conquests he had, every single one of them was from a broken home (never knew father or father left early in life) and about half were addicted to cocaine. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84321436567219940832014-01-20T14:49:06.449-08:002014-01-20T14:49:06.449-08:00@peterike: Speaking of absent fathers, Howard Ster...@peterike: <i>Speaking of absent fathers, Howard Stern would invariably ask strippers and porn stars if they had absent fathers, and they nearly always said yes. Anecdotal, but very consistent.</i><br /><br />Similarly, all the episodes of "Teen Mom" and "16 and Pregnant" seem to be lacking a father in the household.E. Rekshunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54432164319374449842014-01-20T14:39:55.492-08:002014-01-20T14:39:55.492-08:00There are few Jason Collins references here. Apolo...There are few Jason Collins references here. Apologies in advance if I've missed something - I follow basketball fairly closely but not Collins specifically (why would I? He was terrible). <br /><br />I'm somewhat suspicious of Collins' claims. It seems strange to me that neither his twin brother nor his college roommates nor his college girlfriend had any idea he was gay. <br /><br />Is it possible he's not really gay, and his claims are some bizarre attention scheme? Perhaps he knew his career was close to an end and he theorized that being gay would make him enough of a novelty that some PC-ridden team would give him their last roster spot. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82214092578571304572014-01-20T14:28:36.305-08:002014-01-20T14:28:36.305-08:00Many of these sissy boys did well (in quality and ...Many of these sissy boys did well (in quality and quantity) with the girls while in high school, far better than the nerds.Marc Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15526121114466617234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80927586738522706892014-01-20T14:22:33.505-08:002014-01-20T14:22:33.505-08:00homeosexuality?
this discovery seems sensible en...homeosexuality? <br /><br />this discovery seems sensible enough. <br /><br />it's true of girls as well. if you encourage girls to act very feminine, they will. <br />but if you pressure them to act more asexual and sex-neutral, that will have an effect too. <br /><br />hindu women will act more feminine in india than in the US. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37184534048753781582014-01-20T13:27:37.368-08:002014-01-20T13:27:37.368-08:00"the feminine boys were likely to be sick mor...<i>"the feminine boys were likely to be sick more often and more seriously than the masculine boys"</i><br /><br />Can't remember if this is just my impression or whether I read someone's research, but many high achievers seem to have had serious illness in childhood - although the only one I can think of offhand is Joni Mitchell. <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_with_poliomyelitis<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39785342710283071822014-01-20T12:53:50.880-08:002014-01-20T12:53:50.880-08:00...While the two are strongly epigenetic , their m...<br />...While the two are strongly epigenetic , their more adaptive variations such as asperger and schizotypy are predominantly hereditary . What this seems to indicate ?<br />People with an allele for autism may have less weak immune system that someone with autism. The nerd has the least weak immune system that someone with asperger . The classic neurotypical has less weak immune system that someone with schizophrenia, esquizotipo , autism, asperger and nerds. One possibility .<br />Why does this happen? <br />Because the brain, more hungry present in most of these conditions. A great brain or energetically powerful (or better connected) consumes more energy and leaves little for the rest of the body. A body that is energy balance is predispose to infections. <br />It is the theory of the balance of nature, each extra piece body has a price to pay more. Great or better connected brains result in weakening of the immune system.<br />And what would be the adaptation is not environmental camouflage?? <br />If schizophrenia and autism, extreme high cost, especially its workable variations, may have been responsible for the development of human culture and technology and expansion of man the planet. Environmental changes cause selective changes which in turn cause changes predominance of pathogens. Increased intelligence is directly related to the increase and decrease in testosterone. '' Normal'' people are the result of exposure to sex hormones balanced. Therefore, are boring, tend to be conformist and uncreative.Gottliebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17825894419907170602014-01-20T12:41:18.653-08:002014-01-20T12:41:18.653-08:00Black wrestler infected with HIV, found to have vi...Black wrestler infected with HIV, found to have videotaped 32 of his male and female sexual conquests.<br /><br />http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/hiv-positive-college-student-secretly-filmed-sex-tapes-32-people-police-article-1.1584962Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26031155066317800682014-01-20T12:39:27.149-08:002014-01-20T12:39:27.149-08:00The theory of the pathogen is very strange . I rec...The theory of the pathogen is very strange . I recently read a text that speaks precisely the presence of the pathogen and tendencies in a society for cultural non-conformity . Clearly that in societies where the population is less culturally conformist that there is no predominant pathogen . What did this indicate ?<br />Now , as already imagined all of us, regardless of sexuality , we '' '' infected by pathogens . The problem of the theory developed by Cochran is that it seems to imply , and in bad faith , that only homosexuals ( or as they like to say , a specific type of homosexual) can be infected by pathogens , which in turn , change the their behavior .<br />Well, I believe that we are not like sheep , ok , metaphorically the vast majority of humanity is , but in a real sense , there are major differences between humans and sheep . In most , if there really is a pathogen that changes the behavior of a section of the population ( according to them, male , because female bisexuality is considered '' tender '' and was therefore selected , supposedly) , so there are numerous infectious agents that change our behavior, all of our behavior, normal and abnormal .<br />It is clear that humans are divided according to the amount of exposure of sex hormones , whereas the classic straight tend to exhibit a hormonal balance. So we , men : high, medium high, medium low, medium , with low testosterone : low, medium low, medium , medium high and high estrogen .<br />Now , why instead of making it clear that they believe that only homosexuals are affected by pathogens , they could be a bit more honest in saying that all mankind is ' affected ' ?<br />What I think is that the pathogen that affects them (the exclusively homosexual , according to Cochran ) gay men may be the same pathogens that affect women's behavior , ie , it may be that excess estrogen , create an organic environment within body of exclusive homosexual, very similar to a woman's body .<br />I worry if the brave new world could one day become reality. This means , people with God's syndrome , stirring radically in humanity trying to create a society that fits your ideal model . Soon after discovering this probable pathogenic relation of homosexuality , Jayman wasted no time in questioning whether a 'cure' would be possible or even if it would be possible to distribute a vaccine against homosexuality . What would be the next step ?<br />Scary.<br />Interestingly the relationship between intelligence and homosexuality. I have the impression that is really strong , especially by people who have known ( study in the humanities , to bump into a homosexual , just walking in the hallway ) . All ( that I know ) are more intelligent than average , seem to have better musical taste , tend to exhibit good education indicators ...<br />I'm of the theory that polygenic recessive traits attract pathogens , precisely because they are recessive and therefore because they had less time to adapt to environmental agents . Autism , Schizophrenia see to mind . Both polygenic combinations are rare and at great expense , but with great advantages especially when their beneficial traits or enhancers are distributed by population. Schizophrenia works directly with increased creativity for heterozygous population while autism works directly for the increased intelligence in the same population .<br />Gottliebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32826757185859471652014-01-20T12:33:31.426-08:002014-01-20T12:33:31.426-08:00"I looked up stats on this hunch, and found t..."I looked up stats on this hunch, and found that most victims of sexual assault are children. Around 70%, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. The peak age for sexual assault – including forcible rape – for females is 14 years old. For males it is, sickeningly, 4 years old."<br /><br />http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/10/31/a-sure-fire-method-for-preventing-rape/<br /><br />That might have something to do with it! I might even say that the younger a child, boy or girl, is sexually assaulted, the more homosexual they turn it.Marissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734624055833603768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9910483516133389062014-01-20T12:12:53.289-08:002014-01-20T12:12:53.289-08:00"Amazing to think that, less than three decad..."Amazing to think that, less than three decades ago, even the NYT understood that a boy was better off growing up heterosexual if that was an option. It's taken an amazing whitewashing job to convince the masses that homosexuality isn't a major drawback in having a long, happy, healthy life."<br /><br />Let's not go too far here: "the masses" ARE convinced homosexuality is odd, weird, maladaptive at best and "icky," "yucky," <br />"gross" and "maladaptive" at worst, but as long as it's not their kid it happens to, they can tolerate pretending not to care or pretending it's just the way of the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23345922511780326042014-01-20T11:57:06.018-08:002014-01-20T11:57:06.018-08:00Then there's the fact that crowdedness appears...<i>Then there's the fact that crowdedness appears to be reducing sexual dimorphism--i.e., there is a greater emphasis on androngynous features, from athletic and muscular women to slender, pajama-wearing, childish men.</i><br /><br />That was the case in East and South Asia for all of recorded history - heavy crowding leading to androgyny. Compare the massive sexual dimorphism of classical Europe, Middle East, and especially Africa to the lesser dimorphism of China and India.<br /><br /><i>This is likely to influence sexual development in marginal cases.</i><br /><br />No, not likely. Nearly all of the negative / traumatic experiences that influence sexual development happen before the age of five, with the home and family.<br /><br /><i>And who is more childish/unmasculine than a male nerd? It's practically a part of the definition.</i><br /><br />Then how come Simon Baron-Cohen came up with the "extreme male brain" theory of autism, nerdishness, and Neanderthal genes?<br /><br />And as for "childish", how about all the pro football and basketball players who never learned self-control, at least outside the field or court? Nobody bothered to discipline them as children, at home or school. So many of them end up in prison, or in dead-end jobs, or welfare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36005103344031763592014-01-20T10:54:35.099-08:002014-01-20T10:54:35.099-08:00"Note that all kinds of personality issues pr..."Note that all kinds of personality issues produce sexual side effects--sexuality is fragile and easily disturbed by other problems."<br /><br />Nope. Some things are simply evolutionarily basic. Sexual desire for women is primitive, as basic as a desire to eat, to sleep.<br /><br />Simplify. Simplify. Something has screwed up a gay man's brain. If anyone really wanted to find out what it is, if money were spent on it, it shouldn't be too hard to find out the microbiology of sexual attraction and then, what screws it up.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14586243647580251402014-01-20T10:32:16.026-08:002014-01-20T10:32:16.026-08:00"I read once somebody claiming that pornograp..."I read once somebody claiming that pornographic actresses were virtually all sexually abused as children"<br /><br />I think that's a myth based on looking for a nurture explanation for why a minority of women are as highly-sexed as men. I think the much simpler explanation is relatively high testosterone.<br /><br />I do think it's plausible that women who are like that who *also* had absent fathers may be more likely to get into stripping / porn for the attention.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com