tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2832932277205108760..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The Epidemic of Rape in the MilitaryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7708979913137265682013-06-11T06:28:05.049-07:002013-06-11T06:28:05.049-07:00Do you have access to real news in caves?Do you have access to real news in caves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74761333484451728462013-06-09T07:52:04.342-07:002013-06-09T07:52:04.342-07:00I have just had a really stunning insight. Why not...<i>I have just had a really stunning insight. Why not simply have no nubile women in the armed forces and its academies?<br /><br />No woman: No rape.</i><br /><br />Yep. I'd protect women from rape (and men from jail) by keeping them out of the military. I'd protect "minorities" from the evil white racists by allowing the evil white racists to live segregated. I'd protect immigrants from the evil white xenophobes by closing the borders and cracking down on the evil white fat cats who drive down wages by exploiting immigrant labor.<br /><br />The left responds by calling me a sexist, racist, xenophobic, fascist, plutocrat.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87137664864773973342013-06-08T19:21:44.531-07:002013-06-08T19:21:44.531-07:00Matthew said: Don't be an asshole.
Hunsdon s...Matthew said: Don't be an asshole.<br /><br />Hunsdon said: I didn't think I was, actually. I thought you meant what you said: that the policy against fraternization reduces the number of women who are available for romantic or sexual relationships.Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16745870761895802942013-06-08T15:47:48.833-07:002013-06-08T15:47:48.833-07:00A friend of mine worked for a big shot lawyer who&...A friend of mine worked for a big shot lawyer who'd been cited for sexual harrassment. Since he was sort of a friend of my friend, he asked her frankly, "Nance, you've seen my fiance (quite a looker, to whom he is still married 25 yrs later). Since I've got her, do you think I need to feel some other woman's boobs?" Well, what could my friend say? It was a well paid job. He did "accidently" feel her butt in the Xerox room one day, but she was too frazzled to say anything. Years later we joked, he's telling some other new girl, "Don't believe what Nancy told you. Take a look at my wife. Since I've got her, do you think I'd need to feel some other woman's butt?" Sometimes you can just laugh. As far as the military, my brother was on a nuclear submarine that had female crew members. He would never "assault" anybody, and did not mention any such thing; but then his mission was so secret he assured me if he told me all about it, he'd have to kill me. I said, well then, keep it to yourself.<br />All this exaggeration of the problem trivializes the cases that really occur, imo. Although I know it happens, I just can't believe that with all the indoctrination the recruits undergo, there is an overwhelming amount of it. It's another way to stir fear and anxiety among us.<br />For some reason, the powers that be like to keep us all in that condition.elainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63780863911155723892013-06-08T14:04:48.299-07:002013-06-08T14:04:48.299-07:00"Hunsdon said: Bwa ha ha. Sir, I find myself ...<b>"Hunsdon said: Bwa ha ha. Sir, I find myself to be touchingly naive, but this restores my faith in myself as a cynic. I was aware of relationships between SNCOs and other ranks, SNCOs and NCOs, and officers and other ranks."</b><br /><br />I was referring to policy, not reality. Even if not always enforced, the policy still affects the dynamics of relationships by causing FUD.<br /><br />Don't be an asshole.<br /><br /><br />Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35153197833456808182013-06-08T13:48:55.812-07:002013-06-08T13:48:55.812-07:00I don't see how anyone familiar with human beh...I don't see how anyone familiar with human behavior in general and soldiers' behavior in particular could not have foreseen that the military was going to have a big sex harassment/rape problem when they force-fed large numbers of females into the general military population. I note that an American academic has documented such behavior directed by GIs against French civilians in WWII:<br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2332670/American-WWII-GIs-dangerous-sex-crazed-rapists-French-feared-Germans-explosive-book-claims.htmlDutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85518358459100098572013-06-08T11:08:11.244-07:002013-06-08T11:08:11.244-07:00"The woman, then a third-class midshipman, or..."The woman, then a third-class midshipman, or sophomore, said she drank heavily before the party and was intoxicated by the time she arrived at the football house. She said she drank more after she got there and began to black out."<br /><br />Yeah, this is who we want manning the bridge of a warship.<br /><br />It sounds perfectly possible to me that was happened was this: the girl went to a party drunk, got drunker still, and acted like a slut, giving it out to whomever was interested. Later on, when she realized that her slutty reputation would follow her around the Navy, she charges rape. Of course it wouldn't matter - she'll still carry around the reputation - but then 19 year old girls don't necessarily think straight in such circumstances - one reason, perhaps, why 19 year old girls shouldn't be sailors.<br /><br />I think this is just one more elaborate lie our that nation has deluded itself with - that women can be soldiers or sailors in a fighting army or navy. It is bunkam. You can have a military that is diverse and politically correct, or you can have one that can win wars. You can't have both.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74835662917551397532013-06-08T09:07:28.709-07:002013-06-08T09:07:28.709-07:00What is it going to take for the average patriotic...What is it going to take for the average patriotic white male to realise that by joining the military he is siding with the enemy?Matranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84051307127833497562013-06-08T08:48:25.622-07:002013-06-08T08:48:25.622-07:00"The woman, then a third-class midshipman, or..."The woman, then a third-class midshipman, or sophomore, said she drank heavily before the party and was intoxicated by the time she arrived at the football house. She said she drank more after she got there and began to black out. "<br /><br />Was she arrested for drinking under age?<br /><br />Why is the drinking age 21 when few follow it? It turns drinking into something cool because you are not supposed to do it. <br /><br />Personally, I rarely even have a drink. I don't understand people who have to drink or take drugs to have fun.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24512151095311164232013-06-08T08:32:16.808-07:002013-06-08T08:32:16.808-07:00"(e.g., intentional touching of genitalia, br..."(e.g., intentional touching of genitalia, breasts, or buttocks"<br /><br />Wow, That means I was sexually assaulted at work when a couple of women patted me on the butt. <br /><br />The horror.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60742260587944057202013-06-08T07:38:23.703-07:002013-06-08T07:38:23.703-07:00Matthew said: But it gets worse: fraternizing bet...Matthew said: But it gets worse: fraternizing between the ranks is disallowed, and that reduces the women who are available for romantic or sexual relationships.<br /><br />Hunsdon said: Bwa ha ha. Sir, I find myself to be touchingly naive, but this restores my faith in myself as a cynic. I was aware of relationships between SNCOs and other ranks, SNCOs and NCOs, and officers and other ranks.Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74500504282715728802013-06-08T07:01:25.433-07:002013-06-08T07:01:25.433-07:00There is no "epidemic" or anything like ...There is no "epidemic" or anything like it in the military. Comparing civilian cohorts (like college kids) the military arguable does better on all metrics. I can tell you exactly where these bogus numbers come from if you're really curious Steve. Handle -at- Multizionism -dot- com.<br /><br />Bottom line is that Kirby Dick's "The Invisible War" is nothing but clearly mendacious propaganda to anyone who knows the facts about military justice. Sorry, there's no other way to say it. How many times does the average sex criminal "assault" in a lifetime? 300 (movie quote) or 1.5 (reality)? Well, that's only a 10,000% error, a mere fat finger, or something. <br /><br />Oh, also, the epilogue, "A judge ruled that rape is a hazard incident to military service". Um, no. A clear lie. The ruling is on the internet people. Judge O'Grady dismissed Cioca's claim at Summary Judgment and said nothing of the sort - not even debatably. Apparently no one wants to call Kirby on this nonsense. No surprise.<br /><br />As a preview - the key to the made-up numbers is the old late 80's "Sexual Experience Survey" which tried to "operationalize ("translate actions into non-legal language ordinary people understand") concepts like "rape" and "attempted rape". So, for example, you ask a bunch of new Naval recruits in the 90's "Have you over hoped to have sex with a woman who didn't want to by giving her alcohol but were unsuccessful?" About 16% of the guys who think it's a completely benign question say "Yeah, who hasn't?" All of them are now counted as "Attempted Rapists" and Kirby says "1 out of 6 new recruits in the military are sexual predators" or some nonsense like that.<br /><br />Hooray propaganda!Handlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24011393332938347222013-06-08T05:59:47.633-07:002013-06-08T05:59:47.633-07:00Remember when all it would take was the end of DAD...Remember when all it would take was the end of DADT, and the end of the ban on women in combat, and then elites and their media would love the military with the same fervor as most Americans?<br /><br />Lucy and the football time. Concessions were made, and the hostility remains.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70305226321295252872013-06-08T04:20:00.230-07:002013-06-08T04:20:00.230-07:00"Guys getting too excited over the few women ...<b>"Guys getting too excited over the few women and spooking them, women winding guys up for fun but then discovering the game wasn't fun any more when the guys got wound up too much, guys getting jealous of other guys because they snagged done of the women, etc."</b><br /><br />Exactly my point. At military installations near big towns this probably isn't as big of a problem. Men can date civilians in town. At more isolated installations - at the academies, at sea, on deployment - it can be a huge problem.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16753525296233275462013-06-08T00:50:01.750-07:002013-06-08T00:50:01.750-07:00In Britain there has been a wave of hysteria over ...In Britain there has been a wave of hysteria over the past year about many women alledging that various male TV celebrities of the 1960s and 70s either raped or sexualy assaulted them.<br /> This all started with the allegations surrounding one Jimmy Savile (a BBC DJ who was an old man even in the 60s), who has been at the center of a firestorm that only came to light after his death. (Funny that - none of his accusers wanted to challenge him when he was living, on criminal rather than civil charges - they had all of 50 years to do so).<br /> Anyhow, it all gets a bit murky. The media induced zeitgeist seems to be that 'poor, sweet innocent young girls' were ravaged by older, powerful, rich, privileged famous TV personalities who myseriously had the 'police and the establishment in their pockets', hence the women were alledgedly too intimidated to actually press charges after the alledged attacks.<br /> Sorry if I offend some, but methinks I can detect the whiff of easy money from suing dead (and discredited) mens' estates.<br /> Anyhow, the latest man to be caught up in the shit-storm is none other than Ken Barlow - Britain's favorite old uncle - a familiar face in every British living room for 53 years. Barlow is accused of child rapes in 1965. How you can 'prove' a rape 50 years ago, I do not know. Why the victim waited 50 years to go to to the police is another mystery, but Barlow is a stone-rich man.<br /> However, I think that the rape/cash-machine/old-man/ teenage groupie bandwagon has scored an own-goal with the persecution of Barlow. Ken Barlow is well-loved and adored by millions and millions of older British women who see him as the archetype of all that is good in a male. For this reason, I think public sympathy and opinion will swing to his side and he will be truimphantly and exonerated and his accusers denounced as shrews and vixens - no one can denounce women better than other women.<br /> Whilst on the subject, it was a known fact that Savile *paid* willing girls with cash, introductions to pop stars (he was a big cheese in the music scene), gifts etc for sexual favors. The girls freely had sex with him for cash and 'kudos'. Now after he's dead they are all claiming 'victimhood'. The headmistress of the approved girls' school Savile preyed upon said as much.<br /><br />One wonders when David Cassidy will be arrested. By all accounts he had more poon than all of the rest of 70s crew (pop-stars, DJs, TV hosts etc) put together.<br /> But somehow claiming 'victimhood' with Cassidy (who was young and good-looking at the time), won't fly as compared to Jimmy Savile, Ken Barlow, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter, Jimmy Tarbuck etc etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7590174940815676702013-06-07T23:01:47.256-07:002013-06-07T23:01:47.256-07:00I have just had a really stunning insight. Why not...I have just had a really stunning insight. Why not simply have no nubile women in the armed forces and its academies?<br /><br />No woman: No rape.Julian O'Deahttp://davidcollard.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78173449530941565912013-06-07T21:27:25.242-07:002013-06-07T21:27:25.242-07:00One writer is surnamed Dick, and the other Risen. ...One writer is surnamed Dick, and the other Risen. Sounds like a conspiracy to me!Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64856661435058963722013-06-07T21:00:57.699-07:002013-06-07T21:00:57.699-07:00This reminds me of when Norm MacDonald did the cor...This reminds me of when Norm MacDonald did the correspondents dinner. He started out by bringing up that Clinton had nominated the first 3 star general and then joked "she's been doing a good job, but she's had trouble figuring out how to sexually harrass herself" DEAD SILENCE (which made the joke even funnier). And that was in the 90's before Monica.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47349134930295170312013-06-07T20:46:30.018-07:002013-06-07T20:46:30.018-07:00I spent 4 years in isolated posts in the high arct...I spent 4 years in isolated posts in the high arctic. At one, Mould Bay NWT, there were 11 of us with the next community 200 nautical miles away. I believe it was the most isolated inhabited spot in North America. What I saw with regard to sexual harassment was this: if the staff was 100% male, there was no problem; if the staff was 50% male/50% female, there was no problem; but if the staff was 80% male and 20% female, there was no end of problems. Guys getting too excited over the few women and spooking them, women winding guys up for fun but then discovering the game wasn't fun any more when the guys got wound up too much, guys getting jealous of other guys because they snagged done of the women, etc. <br /><br />Of course, the most common mixes was 100% men or 80/20 men/women. With the latter ratio you WILL have problems. It is just basic human nature. These are young, healthy men and women after all. They want to do what comes natural.<br /><br />If the US military were not under the rule of Political Correctness, it would do what the Israeli military does: place women in separate units, commanded by females, with contact between men and women. With this arrangement, sexual problems would not be eliminated, but they would be minimized. <br /><br />Considering how the military ignores human nature the real surprise is how few problems it has.Canadian CIncinnatushttp://canadiancincinnatus.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28220754843520847582013-06-07T20:33:45.415-07:002013-06-07T20:33:45.415-07:00An unwanted pat on the butt definitely counts as s...An unwanted pat on the butt definitely counts as sexual assault in the military. I was told this repeatedly when I was in.<br /><br />I'm highly skeptical of the "rape epidemic". I saw one legitimate case of sex assault (well, I didn't personally see it, but it definitely happened) and several cases of sexual misconduct (fraternization). In all cases the offender was punished rather swiftly--jail sentence in the former case, dismissal from the service in the frat cases. Everything else was either drunken stupidity (no investigation, but the sort of thing that tends to get reported on surveys as rape/assault whether the "victim" actually thinks it was or not) or a female soldier claiming she was assaulted to escape punishment for e.g. getting drunk on deployment. ivvenalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85554114076712471482013-06-07T20:17:50.434-07:002013-06-07T20:17:50.434-07:00One writer's surname is Dick, and the other...One writer's surname is Dick, and the other's is Risen. Now THAT looks like a conspiracy!Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59202655546395029232013-06-07T19:59:46.158-07:002013-06-07T19:59:46.158-07:00I suspect part of the sexual assault problem is th...I suspect part of the sexual assault problem is that there are women in the services, but not enough to go around - especially at the service academies.<br /><br />The sex ratio is like 4-1, at best, and the service academies and other military installations are often isolated from surrounding communities (especially when you're at sea). This creates a mating market strongly skewed against men. But it gets worse: fraternizing between the ranks is disallowed, and that reduces the women who are available for romantic or sexual relationships.<br /><br />We either need a service that is 50/50, or one that is basically 100% male. The latter would be far easier to achieve than the former.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40017422718632647692013-06-07T19:38:28.461-07:002013-06-07T19:38:28.461-07:00None of this stuff is any different from what goes...None of this stuff is any different from what goes on in college. In fact, military personnel these days live in co-ed dorms, just like college students, so it shouldn't be any big surprise that the military is having issues with young people getting drunk and having regrettable sex. That stuff happens all the time on campus.Automatic_Wing https://www.blogger.com/profile/10174899673368042634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11457617193506147722013-06-07T17:39:43.988-07:002013-06-07T17:39:43.988-07:00Right. Sailors' wives were strongly against se...Right. Sailors' wives were strongly against sex-integrating Navy ships because their husbands would knock up women on board, then either divorce their wives back in the States or have to pay child support to the other woman -- in either case a financial disaster for the wife and legitimate children of the sailor.<br /><br />Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8598881870231688462013-06-07T17:34:04.072-07:002013-06-07T17:34:04.072-07:00Steve,
There's another huge unreported issue h...Steve,<br />There's another huge unreported issue here - consensual sex. Hear me out.<br /><br />In the bad old days my Navy had an understanding about sailors and sex. When we reached the fleshpots of Asia the boys would be boys. But as long as Poppa came home to Momma after his deployment and he didn't have a dread disease (and there were 4 weeks from Bangkok to San Diego to clear anything up) nobody knew nothing.<br /><br />Now healthy young men and women are spending nine month deployments in the company of each other, far from their loved ones. Friendships turn into romances, ripe with potential for drama and intrigue while deployed, and for heartbreak and broken families after.<br /><br />To say nothing of convenient pregnancies, such as just before the ship sails.<br /><br />This has to be a catastrophe for military families, to say nothing about unit readiness, with not a peep from the MSM, or anybody else as best I can tell.<br /><br />It's tragic.<br /><br />Ken<br /><br />p.s. The pregnancy dodge was explained to me by a Navy captain in the mid 1990's. He had a shore command where female sailors were assigned after the ship sailed and they got their abortions. I guess 20 years isn't enough time for the Navy to have noticed.Kenneth A. Regasnoreply@blogger.com