tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2847186572897504649..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Did hippies have German roots?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7821624381276222612012-07-01T20:20:07.577-07:002012-07-01T20:20:07.577-07:00Steve Sailor said:
"Thanks for the link to t...Steve Sailor said:<br /><br /><i>"Thanks for the link to that legendary Mailer essay. Finally reading it, I can see why he jumped on the New Journalism bandwagon in the 1960s.</i>"<br /><br />Like, dude, I think you've got to drop the right amount of acid. I hear Grateful Dead music helps. Wait, maybe that's marijuana. Oh, what the hell, try it all, be courageous like the man says. Probably after about 10 hours of lecture by Marxist profs.<br /><br />I was particularly touched, aroused you could say, an epiphany maybe, by learning that if I did enough sex and drugs and adopted a particular black patois, <i>"the epic grandeur of Das Kapital would find its place in an even more Godlike view of human justice and injustice..."</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48743553424589378562012-07-01T18:48:59.053-07:002012-07-01T18:48:59.053-07:00Thanks for the link to that legendary Mailer essay...Thanks for the link to that legendary Mailer essay. Finally reading it, I can see why he jumped on the New Journalism bandwagon in the 1960s.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34924000061430924342012-07-01T16:15:18.335-07:002012-07-01T16:15:18.335-07:00There is a version of Mailer's 1957 Dissent ar...There is a version of Mailer's 1957 Dissent article,<br /> <a href="http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online.php?id=26" rel="nofollow">The White Negro</a>, online here:<br /><br /> <a href="http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online.php?id=26" rel="nofollow">http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online.php?id=26</a><br /><br />Mailer likely assumes his audience consists of radicals such as himself. He introduces the reader to a number words of the hippie vernacular, but as black idioms to be adopted:<br /><br />"<i>...to exist without roots, to set out on that uncharted journey into the rebellious imperatives of the self. ... One is Hip or one is Square... ...the source of Hip is the Negro... marijuana was the wedding ring, the child was the language of Hip for its argot gave expression to abstract states of feeling which all could share... ...the cunning of their language, the abstract ambiguous alternatives in which from the danger of their oppression they learned to speak (“Well. now, man, like I’m looking for a cat to turn me on ..")...<br /><br />I have jotted down perhaps a dozen words, the Hip perhaps most in use and most likely to last with the minimum of variation. The words are man, go, put down, make, beat, cool, swing, with it, crazy, dig, flip, creep, hip, square... To which a cool cat might reply, “Crazy, man!”<br /><br />It is this adoration of the present which contains the affirmation of Hip... ...that all men and women have absolute but temporary rights over the bodies of all other men and women—the nihilism of Hip proposes as its final tendency that every social restraint and category be removed..."</i><br /><br />Yahoo! Come the revolution!<br /><br /><i>"With this possible emergence of the Negro, Hip may erupt as a psychically armed rebellion whose sexual impetus may rebound against the anti-sexual foundation of every organized power in America, and bring into the air such animosities, antipathies, and new conflicts of interest that the mean empty hypocrisies of mass conformity will no longer work. A time of violence, new hysteria, confusion and rebellion will then be likely to replace the time of conformity. ...<br /><br />... it is perhaps possible that the Negro holds more of the tail of the expanding elephant of truth than the radical..."</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7204251775726391902012-07-01T10:03:53.467-07:002012-07-01T10:03:53.467-07:00"Anonymous said...
This would lead to great ..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />This would lead to great social changes, miscegnation, greater equality, and other good "rejection of the man" and "do what thou will"".<br /><br />You touch on something else here which I think was likely an important influence on the hippies: Alistair Crowley and occultism, and that whole Wicca/Golden Bough/Magick/New-Agey pile of crap.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84424992738008202322012-07-01T00:16:50.706-07:002012-07-01T00:16:50.706-07:00Hippies pissed all over at Woodstock.
He pee.Hippies pissed all over at Woodstock.<br /><br />He pee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33977642483060149752012-07-01T00:15:39.201-07:002012-07-01T00:15:39.201-07:00"Hippie" sounded better than "White..."Hippie" sounded better than "White Negro", though.<br /><br />-------<br /><br />white hindu or hindude?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67028468576204035932012-06-30T20:57:02.890-07:002012-06-30T20:57:02.890-07:00It would be interesting to know the influence of N...It would be interesting to know the influence of Norman Mailer's essay <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Negro" rel="nofollow">"The White Negro"</a> on the hippie cultural phenomena. I read it once, parts were pretty incoherent, but Mailer saw that it might be easy to get whites to "drop out" of boring old square white culture by pointing out the advantages of adopting "hip" laid-back black culture. This would lead to great social changes, miscegnation, greater equality, and other good "rejection of the man" and "do what thou will" stuff. I recall it as if Mailer said, hey, why peddle revolutionary ideology, when you can just adopt Black attitudes, it's already anti--the-man and an easier sell, besides the drugs and music are cool. The timing was also about right (1957-1959) and it fit in with the civil rights movement. Of course Mailer's essay was, no doubt, just one expression of like-minded ideas:<br /><br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Negro" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Negro</a><br /><br />"Hippie" sounded better than "White Negro", though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54554310630752480482012-06-30T19:02:55.042-07:002012-06-30T19:02:55.042-07:00Abbie Hoffman appears to have said: "There we...Abbie Hoffman appears to have said: <i>"There were all these activists, you know, Berkeley radicals, White Panthers... all trying to stop the war and change things for the better. Then we got flooded with all these 'flower children' who were into drugs and sex. Where the hell did the hippies come from?"</i><br /><br />Poor guy, here you've got the revolution all primed, then all your troops drop out to do drugs, sex, and rock-and-roll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49111937876797529682012-06-30T10:25:28.378-07:002012-06-30T10:25:28.378-07:00from "Slouching Towards Bethlehem"
&quo...from "Slouching Towards Bethlehem"<br /><br /><i>"Anybody who thinks this is all about drugs has his head in a bag. It's a social movement, quintessentially romantic, the kind that recurs in time of real social crisis. The themes are always the same. A return to innocence. The invocation of an earlier authority and control. The mysteries of the blood. An itch for the trancendental, for purification."</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28555965531486013662012-06-30T10:22:07.877-07:002012-06-30T10:22:07.877-07:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Carpenterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_CarpenterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26281616937803212642012-06-29T19:11:18.294-07:002012-06-29T19:11:18.294-07:00so you thought we lost the war? think again, bozos...so you thought we lost the war? think again, bozos, there's Götterdämmerung for everybody--dress code is casual, this time.theo the krautnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86847449439724046822012-06-29T18:36:12.434-07:002012-06-29T18:36:12.434-07:00The natives and "aboriginals" throughout...The natives and "aboriginals" throughout planet Earth.<br /><br />The first hippies. Fools.Haciendanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40467675388839037532012-06-29T15:36:27.590-07:002012-06-29T15:36:27.590-07:00Harry Baldwin's 8:19 AM description of the hip...Harry Baldwin's 8:19 AM description of the hippie scene in Kerouac's barely disguised autobiographical On The Road is dead on, especially "dread of 9 to 5 jobs." So much of what makes hippies hippies boils down to avoidance of work. As one who shares that fear, dread, avoidance of what Larkin called "the toad, work" I have shared the hippie fate, which is to be marginal and marginalized, but also have partaken of the hippie love of and joy in easy living. How many hippy/artists are little more than layabouts, layabouts with a bit of talent and a bit of effort but not all that much effort relative to those who make careers in business, finance, the professions. The hippy avoidance of work also explains why hippies are often a hairsbreadth away from crime and frequently slide into flat-out criminality, rationalizing their shady activity as at least not being square.ricpichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321511130788764861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24772580091751849122012-06-29T08:59:54.437-07:002012-06-29T08:59:54.437-07:00"I counted a smiling Blonde nurse, an Asian d..."I counted a smiling Blonde nurse, an Asian doctor, various Asian and Hispanic aides/techs, and a Black nurse. Know who was absent?<br /><br />White guys." <br /><br />That's almost all modern advertising/promotions except for college pamphlets where they have to use Photoshop to add the token black to the front cover. Judging from the displays at Target stores white men/boys make up about 10% of the population. This is not done by accident.Marc Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15526121114466617234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5398015578681876972012-06-28T19:52:00.340-07:002012-06-28T19:52:00.340-07:00Surfer dudes were cooler than hippie dudes.Surfer dudes were cooler than hippie dudes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71782296047806908702012-06-28T19:16:11.784-07:002012-06-28T19:16:11.784-07:00I liked the part where six-year-old Sailer "d...I liked the part where six-year-old Sailer "dispatched [his] mother to get the autograph"--tout de suite, mum, I've got to a radio contest to win and a Congressman to debate by 4pm sharpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15496356873743168542012-06-28T18:14:42.602-07:002012-06-28T18:14:42.602-07:00"Hence, it’s probably more reasonable to cons...<i>"Hence, it’s probably more reasonable to consider hippies less a solely German phenomenon than a broad one with deepest roots in Northern Europe’s blonder regions, where people tan rather than burn (as implied by the title of Kennedy’s book Children of the Sun)."<br /><br />Wait, do Germans and Russians tan rather than burn? Who established this fact?</i><br /><br />It's true from personal observation. Germans and even Scandinavians, as well as Russians, tan quite well to a nice golden or even bronze color. The Irish and other Celts OTOH burn like crazy. One of my uncles on my Irish side once got third-degree burns on his toes from golfing. I myself thought I was incapable of tanning until I was in my mid 20s when I got a very slight trucker's tan from a summer job.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6529063587341980682012-06-28T16:45:10.406-07:002012-06-28T16:45:10.406-07:00Re Immigration, White women don't get threaten...Re Immigration, White women don't get threatened by it, and gain jobs teaching Mexican kids and caring for sick Mexicans in a government paid health care operation.<br /><br />Just recently a family member was hospitalized, in the hospital was a picture of idealized staff and a slogan about the corporate commitment to patient health. I counted a smiling Blonde nurse, an Asian doctor, various Asian and Hispanic aides/techs, and a Black nurse. Know who was absent?<br /><br />White guys. <br /><br />There you have it. When uber-hot Hispanic women come in and grab all the hot Alpha men and put White women on the street, homeless, THEN and ONLY THEN will immigration be a non-starter.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60142438290196197342012-06-28T15:27:59.430-07:002012-06-28T15:27:59.430-07:00"Hence, it’s probably more reasonable to cons..."Hence, it’s probably more reasonable to consider hippies less a solely German phenomenon than a broad one with deepest roots in Northern Europe’s blonder regions, where people tan rather than burn (as implied by the title of Kennedy’s book Children of the Sun)."<br /><br />Wait, do Germans and Russians tan rather than burn? Who established this fact?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32769702819985012072012-06-28T15:24:33.899-07:002012-06-28T15:24:33.899-07:00kurt9, that's true. The Redondo/Hermosa/Manhat...kurt9, that's true. The Redondo/Hermosa/Manhattan Beach surf vagrants also outlasted the SF Bay Area noble savages (who all moved on to Vermont and Asheville, NC it seems)Alcalde Jaime Miguel Curleohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11801154986193443160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38131452717055711762012-06-28T15:21:48.280-07:002012-06-28T15:21:48.280-07:00Can't wait till the hipsters make an ironic ma...Can't wait till the hipsters make an ironic mashup HBO series about my sterling career. Don Draper? Pshaw, I am clearly the most well-known, well-dressed, best-looking, workplace-drinking, alpha masculinity totem going, WOOOOOOOOORic Flairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46033355929892315062012-06-28T15:16:10.014-07:002012-06-28T15:16:10.014-07:00Great, yet more Mad Men-inspired journalism, nobod...Great, yet more Mad Men-inspired journalism, nobody's covering that beat. Steve is SWPL at heart...Alcalde Jaime Miguel Curleohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11801154986193443160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38829703779686106062012-06-28T12:59:17.708-07:002012-06-28T12:59:17.708-07:00The jogging craze of 70's can be traced to Ger...The jogging craze of 70's can be traced to Germans as well, look up the Dassler brothers.C. Van Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09918883799053031223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15162517685503371052012-06-28T10:36:20.196-07:002012-06-28T10:36:20.196-07:00There's a book describing (some) of the roots ...There's a book describing (some) of the roots of the modern counterculture: 'Mountain of Truth: The Counterculture Begins', which traces its origins to Ascona in Switzerland. <br />Of course you can also go further back and find elements of hippie beliefs and lifestyle in Rousseau or for that matter Diogenes and the Cynics.bbartloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809977239420353712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38243062741954629202012-06-28T10:31:11.918-07:002012-06-28T10:31:11.918-07:00The first two years of World War II were a risky b...<i>The first two years of World War II were a risky but fun adventure for most German soldiers.</i><br /><br />I knew an old German who said the first 3 years of the war were the happiest years of his life. He was away from home and his overbearing parents for the first time in his life, always had money in his pocket, and was stationed behind the lines at several naval communications center staffed by lots and lots of young women. <br /><br />But then all those US bombers showed up, and later he got sent to the Eastern Front which wasn't so far to the East any more, and then a Russian sub sank his hospital ship as he was coming home wounded...Paul Mendeznoreply@blogger.com