tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post2847616318490041985..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Our long national nightmare is almost overUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2275997172058001632009-07-11T20:41:37.609-07:002009-07-11T20:41:37.609-07:00Interesting. I remember seeing Dr. Strangelove for...<i>Interesting. I remember seeing Dr. Strangelove for the first time at 19 and being so struck by the audience laughing at the soldier defending the Coke machine. I thought, wow, people laugh at decency</i>.<br /><br />Lets be fair here. In the context of that scene Mandrake is - literally - trying to save the world and the Major, quite likely having just killed fellow Americans, is quibbling over the fate of a Coke machine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70997280640049034992009-07-11T16:52:21.090-07:002009-07-11T16:52:21.090-07:00Hadn't thought of Teller.
Let me place a vote...<i>Hadn't thought of Teller.</i><br /><br />Let me place a vote for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Gottlieb" rel="nofollow">Dr Sidney Gottlieb</a>, the head of the CIA's mind control program, who had a club foot and a passion for folk dancing. It's uncertain if either Kissinger or Gottlieb were famous enough by 1964 for Kubrick to have known about them, but if they hadn't existed, Kubrick would have to make them up.wendalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71429265208319457662009-07-11T16:04:50.929-07:002009-07-11T16:04:50.929-07:00When the Americans aren't protecting the right...<i> When the Americans aren't protecting the rights of Coke machines</i><br /><br />Interesting. I remember seeing Dr. Strangelove for the first time at 19 and being so struck by the audience laughing at the soldier defending the Coke machine. I thought, wow, people laugh at decency.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67496294614821988872009-07-11T09:39:17.029-07:002009-07-11T09:39:17.029-07:00"Making Strangelove an obvious, literal Nazi ..."Making Strangelove an obvious, literal Nazi would have been a real kick in the balls to Teller, a Hungarian Jew who lost members of his family to the Holocaust."<br /><br />Hadn't thought of Teller.<br />Teller, Schmeller, Sellers. You are right about the torturous humor of making Dr. Strangelove resemble, even obliquely, any Jewish person only 20 years after WWII. To quite a few people, Teller was as controversal as Kissinger. Sellers schtick on the Nazi mannerisms was at least as funny as the less noted Obama imitation of Musolini during his campaign. It's a shame Sellers is not still alive. The star of "Being There" would so appreciate current events.<br />Someday they'll look back on the past 100 years we've just had, and marvel how we didn't connect the dots.can't believe my eyesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5791710999995693572009-07-11T05:07:43.626-07:002009-07-11T05:07:43.626-07:00It's not as if these negative characterization...<i>It's not as if these negative characterizations are offset by a lot of normal, good guy Jewish roles.</i> <br /><br />This is true, but I don't see why we need explicit Jewishness as criterion. Drop that and Jewish self-portrayal is overwhelmingly self-serving. I don't mean self-congratulatory, btw -- two different things. Self-serving: "we're not threatening, in fact we're the complete opposite of threatening"; "at worst we're annoying, but it's okay because we're pretty smart (but not aggressively so!)" etc.<br /><br />Jews present the narrative of themselves that they want presented. It excludes Jewish ethnocentrism, aggressiveness, bigotry, predation. It portrays Jews as neurotic, plucky heroes who are really nerds at heart but overcome their own meekness (lol!) to achieve fulfillment or social good.<br /><br />In short, they play the victim/plucky hero.<br /><br />I mean, how hard is it to figure out what Jews figured out way before they made Hollywood: people, or at least, Americans/Europeans, are suckers for the downtrodden hero and tend not to gravitate to the ubermensch? Everybody hates the too-perfect hero. The point of the narrative is to be loved (or pitied), not hated (or envied), and to disarm hostility to Jews insofar as is possible.<br /><br />As far as roles like Cruise in <i>Tropic Thunder</i> go (saw a few minutes of this and it took me a minute to figure out who he was, loved the bit where he had the grip punch the director), who knows? Maybe they're recapitulating the 70s a bit, when Jewish identity was more salient in film. But a few drops in the ocean don't make a wave.<br /><br />Which is really the point here - Jewishness is simply not on the mass media radar, any more than Jewishness was on the label of the culture of critique. A few Jewish filmmakers having fun with other people's money notwithstanding.<br /><br />I've come to realize that a great many Jews have a very twisted view of the world in a lot of ways. E.g., they can argue as if anti-Semitism is really a problem in the media (e.g., coverage of Israel). Wow! Yeah, that blockbuster Spielberg film last year about the Settlements was a real blow, eh?Svigorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397917915404344439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54576193128251411252009-07-10T21:29:26.940-07:002009-07-10T21:29:26.940-07:00But can't you see how the resemblance to Kissi...<i>But can't you see how the resemblance to Kissinger is part of the joke? That toothy little rat smile? The subtle changes of expression with every thought passing.</i><br /><br />I never thought the good doctor looked or sounded anything like Kissinger. He sounded like a stereotypical Nazi villain from grade-B Hollywood thrillers. I might, however, be willing to buy it as, in part, a subtly wicked swipe at Edward Teller, father of the H-bomb and avid war-monger. Making Strangelove an obvious, <i>literal</i> Nazi would have been a real kick in the balls to Teller, a Hungarian Jew who lost members of his family to the Holocaust.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3648726651562341152009-07-10T19:23:13.191-07:002009-07-10T19:23:13.191-07:00""So, yeah, I don't think we can ass...""So, yeah, I don't think we can assume Strangelove was not Jewish.<br /><br />So we're to assume that Lionel Mandrake and President Merkin Muffley were also Jewish because they were played by a Jewish actor? "<br /><br />So Strangelove was supposed to be a Jewish Nazi?<br /><br />I think you're reading WAY too much into this."<br /><br />Of course. The film, Dr. Strangelove, or how I stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb," was based on a book by a British author. Kubrick had renounced America and was living in England, hence the anti-American strain. Dr. Strangelove was not in the book and was a Kubrick/Terry Southern addition. Kubrick understood the complexity of human events to an extent few others ever have. "Nazi" is an archetype of no fixed address and many aliases, depending on where they turn up and who's hosting the event. However, Dr. Strangelove was NOT supposed to be literally Jewish. He was definitely supposed to be German although the film didn't really explore the good doctor's childhood and family. I think Werner von Braun was, unjustly perhaps, the model for him.<br />This was too briliant a movie not be chock full of subtext. Strangelove was not scripted to be a Jewish Nazi. duh. This was 1964. But can't you see how the resemblance to Kissinger is part of the joke? That toothy little rat smile? The subtle changes of expression with every thought passing. That Sellers himself, the real Sellers, is part of the dark, dark, sparkling joke? <br />That Sellers playing the American President and the British, stiff-upper-lip, always rational soldier who saves the day and remains calm with insanity all around him, is also part of the joke? When the Americans aren't protecting the rights of Coke machines or shooting down their own men while worrying about bodily fluids, they are shagging in back of the war room. It is sort of anti-American, but at the time, the probability of nuclear destruction was seen as an immediate matter of life and death. If ridiculing the perps could reign in the insanity, so be it.<br />btw, Sellers was also supposed to play the yahoo who rides the bomb to its destination, but broke his leg before he get the Texas accent down.can't believe my eyesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64418142113700216602009-07-10T18:28:20.770-07:002009-07-10T18:28:20.770-07:00What I would like to see is an on-line database of...<i>What I would like to see is an on-line database of movies and TV shows where characters are analyzed by their ethnic background and how they are portrayed. They could be ranked on a moral scale, likeabilty scale, sexual attractivness scale, behaviour scale, reform/salvation scale etc. The ethnic background of those who financed, directed, and created these characters should also be revealed. A final score could be tallied at the end and the data could be analyzed by type of movie, year, studio production, etc</i>.<br /><br />Yes, yes, yes!<br /><br />That would a great idea.<br /><br />In my own small way I was thinking of starting a blog listing anti-white media bias but your suggestion is something more in depth.<br /><br />Would I would like to see, and this would need to be a collaborative effort, would be an episode by episode breakdown of shows like CSI, Law & Order, any TV, movie really etc etc Ethnic breakdown, who's sympathetic, bad guy, good guy and so on. Like you said.<br /><br />Just imagine if every ep. of Law n' Ordure were tallied like this.<br /><br />Part of the liberal argument is that the bad guy/serial killer/muderer "just happened to be a WASP" in <i>that</i> episode, whereas in all those other eps...<br /><br />If we had a comprehensive list showing that actually the bad guy was always a WASP, that would put the lid on that.<br /><br />Also its been noted that L & O take real world stories and tweak them in utterly trivial ways like swapping the racial identities of victim/perp. So a good feature would be note these episodes and match them to the source story. Throwing further unwelcome light upon the makers intentions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53087021977666659072009-07-10T17:28:55.575-07:002009-07-10T17:28:55.575-07:00"Idiocracy is superficially a comedy with cru..."Idiocracy is superficially a comedy with crude jokes about sex, etc. But there is much subtle humor that you don't necessarily notice, particularly only visually displayed in the background."<br /><br />The hospital scene.<br /><br />Pay attention to everything, including the cassino machine and what the prize is.AmericanGoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865892490752172185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60575522743540078152009-07-10T17:18:52.591-07:002009-07-10T17:18:52.591-07:00"By the way, here's my 2006 review of Bor..."By the way, here's my 2006 review of Borat, which pointed out something that practically nobody else mentioned about that critically-lauded film."<br /><br />Except me.<br /><br />And a bazillion other people.<br /><br />Who are not in the MSM.<br /><br />It is blatantly obvious that, like a stereotypical Jewish racist, Sacha has an axe to grind against the subhuman slavs and the dumb goyim americans, easy targets for con artists.AmericanGoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865892490752172185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76064798094042080462009-07-10T17:03:15.999-07:002009-07-10T17:03:15.999-07:00That was supposed to be ironic wasn't it?
No....<i>That was supposed to be ironic wasn't it?</i><br /><br />No. Name some positive Jewish roles. Most movie likable guy heroes are given gentile names and backgrounds, even if they are portrayed by Jewish actors.<br /><br /><i>You're right, green mamba, we need to do something about those darn anti-Semitic Jews.</i><br /><br />My point was and remains that portrayals of Jewish people in the media are far from exclusively positive. I already mentioned that Jews are to a large part responsible for this. <br /><br />I believe this originates from the Jewish belief that by hiding their positive characteristics and emphasizing the negative, they will not provoke a jealous reaction in their fellow citizens. It's a stupid strategy rooted in fear.green mambanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53396238094392934712009-07-10T16:46:55.901-07:002009-07-10T16:46:55.901-07:00So, yeah, I don't think we can assume Strangel...<i>So, yeah, I don't think we can assume Strangelove was not Jewish.</i><br /><br />So we're to assume that Lionel Mandrake and President Merkin Muffley were also Jewish because they were played by a Jewish actor? <br /><br />So Strangelove was supposed to be a Jewish Nazi?<br /><br />I think you're reading WAY too much into this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64922194500398282052009-07-10T14:42:16.089-07:002009-07-10T14:42:16.089-07:00"It is also significant that 3 of the main ch..."It is also significant that 3 of the main characters, Strangelove, Mandrake, and the President, were all played by the late, great, Peter Sellers (Jewish), one of the funniest comedians ever."<br /><br />Sellers also played the pedophile Clare Quilty in Kubrick's version of Lolita. Sydney Pollack (Jewish) played the only known member of the elite cabal in Eyes Wide Shut, a part originally to be played by Harvey Keitel(also Jewish.) The psychiatrist in charge of the government's mind control experiments in A Clockwork Orange is named Dr Brodsky. So, yeah, I don't think we can assume Strangelove was not Jewish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12655513711306709832009-07-10T09:06:12.688-07:002009-07-10T09:06:12.688-07:00Tropic Thunder is a 2008 American action satire co...<i>Tropic Thunder is a 2008 American action satire comedy film directed and produced by Ben Stiller and written by Stiller, Justin Theroux, and Etan Cohen</i> <br /> <br /><br /><br />You're right, green mamba, we need to do something about those darn anti-Semitic Jews.<br /><br />On a more serious note, does "The Passion Of The Christ" ring any bells?<br /><br />Americas stupid, stupid Jews all went around telling themselves that this, and not Tropic Thunder, was an anti-Semitc movie and was the habringer of the next anti-Jewish pogrom.<br /><br />Being stupid, it never seems to dawn on them that constantly accusng their American neighbors of being closeted Nazis(!) is rude and obnoxious behavior and is not exactly calculated to win friends and influence people.<br /><br />Assuming you grasp this insight, feel free to share it with your stupid Jewish friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29104473308264036952009-07-10T08:46:13.172-07:002009-07-10T08:46:13.172-07:00"yet most references to Jews I encounter - in..."yet most references to Jews I encounter - in movies, TV, comedy clubs - is negative"<br /><br />These type of discussions on the internet are very common. Whose ethnic group gets portrayed negatively or positively in MSM? You would think that in the multi-cultural paradises of the West such questions would not be necessary, but alas... What I would like to see is an on-line database of movies and TV shows where characters are analyzed by their ethnic background and how they are portrayed. They could be ranked on a moral scale, likeabilty scale, sexual attractivness scale, behaviour scale, reform/salvation scale etc. The ethnic background of those who financed, directed, and created these characters should also be revealed. A final score could be tallied at the end and the data could be analyzed by type of movie, year, studio production, etc.<br /><br />My guess is that the fact that we collectively spend billions of dollars a year on race and ethnic relations in the West and no such tracking mechanism exists, reveals the acknowledgement that such a mechanism would surely not show the "right" results. As a matter of fact it would probably show very "wrong" results - and that is why no university, special interest group, government agency, etc. touches it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7288657303420235722009-07-10T03:47:53.864-07:002009-07-10T03:47:53.864-07:00It's not as if these negative characterization...<i>It's not as if these negative characterizations are offset by a lot of normal, good guy Jewish roles</i>.<br /><br />That was supposed to be ironic wasn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28173187848138816992009-07-10T03:16:31.266-07:002009-07-10T03:16:31.266-07:00A very good insight into how Sacha Baron Cohen sti...A very good insight into how Sacha Baron Cohen stitches people up here:<br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/sacha-baron-cohen/5603068/Stung-by-Sacha-hosting-Brunos-gay-brawl.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32351646867770351752009-07-10T01:31:54.060-07:002009-07-10T01:31:54.060-07:00"The only overtly evil, overtly Jewish fictio..."The only overtly evil, overtly Jewish fictional character I can think of depicted recently would be the Soprano's lawyer."<br /><br />The John Turturro character in the Coen brothers' "Miller's Crossing' was a nasty, cowardly piece of work and overtly Jewish, if that counts as recent.<br /><br />Tom Cruise did a hilarious turn as a brutal and obscene Jewish movie producer in Ben Stiller's "Tropic Thunder".<br /><br />It's not as if these negative characterizations are offset by a lot of normal, good guy Jewish roles.green mambanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19245839129661997982009-07-09T22:01:59.710-07:002009-07-09T22:01:59.710-07:00"The only overtly evil, overtly Jewish fictio..."The only overtly evil, overtly Jewish fictional character I can think of depicted recently would be the Soprano's lawyer."<br /><br />Also, Sean Penn as Carlito Brigante's lawyer in "Carlito's Way" is one of the most reprehensible villains in the history modern cinema.Antoine Zhangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85114403339929984242009-07-09T20:44:20.623-07:002009-07-09T20:44:20.623-07:00Steve Martin played a white who was adopted by a b...Steve Martin played a white who was adopted by a black family in the Jerk. The difference is that he used that as a platform to ridicule himself not his adoptive family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-92193739586082759742009-07-09T20:35:06.351-07:002009-07-09T20:35:06.351-07:00Al Jolson tried the same trick once. It seemed pr...Al Jolson tried the same trick once. It seemed pretty funny at the time. I checked Jolson's page on wiki. Seems they ixned all the pictures where he had axel grease on his face.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48680391893125348512009-07-09T18:23:43.490-07:002009-07-09T18:23:43.490-07:00Green Mamba - But its only Jews who are allowed di...Green Mamba - But its only Jews who are allowed dispensation to make those wise cracks about themselves. Its off limits to anyone else. Who gets to be depicted as cold hearted, ruthless, violent etc? Well it aint Jews is it.<br /><br />Not so long ago I heard an earnest debate on the radio about the terrible stereotyping of the Jews found in our appaling anti-semitic media (no, don't laugh). The up-to-the-minute examples given; Shylock (a 400 year old character) and Fagin (more youthful, at less than 200 years) and...that was it.<br /><br />The only overtly evil, overtly Jewish fictional character I can think of depicted recently would be the Soprano's lawyer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12061201129026381782009-07-09T18:11:08.257-07:002009-07-09T18:11:08.257-07:00"You forgot an endless string of 'victims..."You forgot an endless string of 'victims' suing Cohen for misrepresentation and complaining to the media that they were duped."<br /><br />Which is of course the whole point.<br /><br />I think the real reason why Cohen moved his operations to America was that he became such a well known person back in the United Kingdom. Ali-G in particular became too well known to be used in Britain early on.<br /><br />"I'm not well acquainted with Baron-Cohen's various personas, but I did read somewhere that his Ali G. character (since retired) was originally a pretty clear parody of young Pakastanis trying to come off as ghetto "youfs" by adopting the dress, speech, and mannerisms of black street culture. This excited some criticism, on non-PC grounds, particularly since Baron-Cohen is himself Orthodox Jewish, so he changed gears and claimed that "Ali G" stood for Alistair Graham, and that he was parodying white suburban kids who try to emulated black street culture. "<br /><br />Although there were some Asians in the film.<br /><br />At least Bruno will also be making fashionistas (sp?), the cult of celebrity, and chat show audiences look stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81063860938815449052009-07-09T17:39:42.546-07:002009-07-09T17:39:42.546-07:00Perfectly decent people put up with his ridicule r...Perfectly decent people put up with his ridicule rather than call him on it and that's a million laughs?ricpichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321511130788764861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35679231630096832282009-07-09T16:59:15.479-07:002009-07-09T16:59:15.479-07:00"Actually the best part of the show was when ...<i>"Actually the best part of the show was when Andy Rooney cut him down within 10 seconds of the start of the interview. Just search "andy rooney Ali G" on youtube."</i>.<br /><br />Yes that is brilliant.Rosshttp://fountain.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com