tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3028866150077759709..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: A lotta drama, a lotta instability, not a lotta moneyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84846434230449276832013-10-20T16:45:30.573-07:002013-10-20T16:45:30.573-07:00I don't think there's any possible way les...I don't think there's any possible way lesbians adopt as much as gay men. For the reasons listed above, plus the simple fact that, when a straight couple splits up, the woman almost always gets the kids.<br /><br />So, if a man and a woman have kids, and the man runs off to be with another guy, he won't bring the kid with him. If they have kids, and the woman goes off to be with another woman, she probably will.<br /><br />Because of that, I'm skeptical of the idea that adoption is the reason kids do worse in lesbian-run families. If that was the reason, they would almost certainly do worse in families run by two gay men.<br /><br />But then we get comments like this:<br /><br />"Judith Rich Harris, in the Nurture Assumption, shows us that the shared home environment has little effect on offspring.<br /><br />It is all genetics."<br /><br />I don't know when it happened that Judith Rich Harris became the authority of choice for arguments from authority in the HBDsphere, but doesn't anyone find it annoying besides me?<br /><br />Still, I'm not sure Harris is exactly wrong here. I just think she's not making the argument people think she is.<br /><br />This study is about high school graduation rates. Typically, you graduate from high school while you're still living with your parents. And I don't think Harris ever argued that your parents don't have an influence on life outcomes that happen <i>while you're still living with them</i>.<br /><br />For example, someone who has a genetic predisposition for poor impulse control will still likely have a better diet <i>while</i> they are living with their parents, if their adoptive parents are more conscientious. They're the ones who buy the food, after all. The question is, do they maintain it years from now, when they're on their own?<br /><br />Which this study can't tell us, because the kids all seem so young. Their genes may just not have had enough time to assert themselves, and even if they had, it wouldn't necessarily affect whether they graduated from high school or not.<br /><br />Because, while we often use graduation rates as a proxy for IQ or conscientiousness (which it surely is), it's <i>also</i> obviously at least partially a proxy for "Do your parents actually give a damn about whether or not you go to school, and if so, how good are they at enforcing their rules?".<br /><br />I am skeptical, though, about the way people often seem to use Judith Rich Harris to say "Well, it really doesn't <i>matter</i> who gets to adopt kids, because their genes will influence how they turn out more!".<br /><br />Which may be true. But frankly, I would prefer it if someone leads an average life as an adult, but has memories of a happy childhood, than someone leads an average life as an adult, but has memories of chaos and drama.<br /><br />I mean, how could that not be a good thing by itself?<br /><br />Especially when you consider the fact that a lot of these kids come from pretty shaky genetic backgrounds to begin with. It's entirely possible that, if they regress to a pretty low mean, their childhood might be the last chance they have to really be happy. You could even argue that that makes it <i>more</i> important that we choose adoptive parents wisely.Hanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52796572106263728012013-10-20T15:20:54.773-07:002013-10-20T15:20:54.773-07:00Priceless:
http://www.webofstories.com/play/norma...Priceless:<br /><br />http://www.webofstories.com/play/norman.routledge/129<br /><br />Speechless.<br /><br />People in Britain pay $65K per year to send their kids to be educated by guys like him. d.....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85573391226147605652013-10-20T11:01:06.837-07:002013-10-20T11:01:06.837-07:00"d..... said...
(sarcasm alert) Stereotypes ..."d..... said...<br /><br />(sarcasm alert) Stereotypes of lesbians, Jews, blacks and women are reasonable and based on truth. Stereotypes of the groups favored on this blog (upper class British) are baseless and slanderous."<br /><br />I don't remember upper-class Englishman (we are primarily talking about Englishman in this context, not Scots) ever having been a favored class at iSteve.<br /><br />And, given how much it has been written about or hinted at in fiction and non-fiction since the 1920s to the present day, I don't think that anyone has ever seriously questioned the reality of english public-school homosexuality. Robert Graves alludes to it in his memoir "Good Bye to All That". I believe that Orwell talked about it too (he was agin' it). In Orwell's case, his revulsion to the homosexuality he saw displayed at Eton may have informed his dislike of the English upper-class every bit as much as the class-snobbery he saw (and felt) there.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61311859003756940182013-10-20T09:33:56.145-07:002013-10-20T09:33:56.145-07:00Totally anecdotal, but the first lesbian I ever kn...Totally anecdotal, but the first lesbian I ever knew (met at work in 1983) told me that her son dropped out of high school on the first day of 9th grade after black kids beat him up to take his new shoes and new jacket. This probably happened in the mid to late 70s. The lesbian was the only one in the all-female office who backed me up when I said that I didn't want my children to attend public school.<br /><br />Because lesbians and gays are very liberal, and like to live in "edgy" city neighborhoods, their children are more likely to be beaten up by blacks & hispanics, either because they are white, or because they are the children of gays & lesbians.<br /><br />A decent percentage of gay couples may be able to put the children in some gay-friendly independent school, but lesbians typically cannot manage anything beyond public school. So a big part of the "low school achievement" of non-straights is probably closely linked to urban living.<br /><br />The Canadian whites were probably also a lot more likely to admit that they had gay/lesbian parents than the blacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18836182272605374692013-10-19T18:52:43.156-07:002013-10-19T18:52:43.156-07:00Yikes. Just realized that Dalek_1963 was writing a...Yikes. Just realized that Dalek_1963 was writing about his mother's 1st cousin's kids, who are indeed his 2nd cousins. Apologies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89754477567845224562013-10-19T18:42:50.023-07:002013-10-19T18:42:50.023-07:00My mother's 1st cousin has three children (so ...<i>My mother's 1st cousin has three children (so they're my 2nd cousins)</i><br /><br />Those kids are your 1st cousins once removed (i.e. one generation removed). Their kids would be your kids' 2nd cousins. 1st cousins share a set of grandparents, 2nd cousins share a set of great-grandparents, 3rd cousins share a set of great-great-grandparents, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91823700217165409482013-10-19T15:37:46.909-07:002013-10-19T15:37:46.909-07:00Interesting, but far less meaningful than the comm...Interesting, but far less meaningful than the commenters here are making it out to be. I have written a blog post in response to this study:<br /><br /><a href="http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/apples-oranges-and-lesbians-the-nurture-assumption-just-will-not-die/" rel="nofollow">Apples, Oranges, and Lesbians: The Nurture Assumption Just Will Not Die | JayMan's Blog</a><br /><br />"A new study (recently discussed by Steve Sailer) has found that the children of gay and lesbian parents have a lower high school graduation rate than those of straight parents.<br /><br />The finding of this study seems straightforward – indeed, I was able to say it in a sentence. However, the conclusions we are able to draw from these finding are anything but.<br /><br />...<br /><br />So case closed, right? We can now safely conclude that two opposite-sex parents are important for children’s development, yes? Of course not, not even close."JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37508567891287120372013-10-19T14:02:07.126-07:002013-10-19T14:02:07.126-07:00The thing that's most striking to me about the...The thing that's most striking to me about the abortion debate, and how abortion propaganda is carried out in the media, is how the establishment ignores what a good substitute adoption is for abortion. The whole thing boils down to women and libs demanding the right to kill their babies because they don't want to carry them to term. Having children and raising them doesn't enter into it, because demand for adopted children far exceeds supply. That single word, "adoption," answers almost all of the pro-abortion side's arguments. It certainly answers all the post-natal issues. The right to abort is about the right not to be pregnant.<br /><br />It just occurred to me that homosexuals are natural allies for the pro-choice side. Abortion rights mean nothing to homosexuals in terms of their own interests, except that they dramatically reduce the number of children available to homosexuals for adoption. But as usual, propaganda and power alliances trump ideology and issue alliances.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68101928567552421662013-10-19T06:16:17.065-07:002013-10-19T06:16:17.065-07:00Comparing children from opposite sex and same sex ...Comparing children from opposite sex and same sex households is pretty worthless without controlling for<br /><br />* adoption<br />* the children being from another relationship<br />* the family moving house <br /><br />Obviously these will be huge confounders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37284890225018107392013-10-18T21:19:10.076-07:002013-10-18T21:19:10.076-07:002degrees/pp22pp
Hi, I realised Id read your menti...2degrees/pp22pp<br /><br />Hi, I realised Id read your mention of your gay father here before, him encouraging you imply to interviewers that you were gay for career advancement.<br /><br />My mother's 1st cousin has three children (so they're my 2nd cousins) two boys and one girl. And thats two gays and a lesbian. Three out of three in one family. Thats <b>got</b> make one think that something biological going on.<br /><br />One of the lads has quite a high profile PR job, Ive got a pic off google just now with him escorting a super hot footballers wife out of a nightclub. Because he can be trusted not to interfere with the merchandise?<br /><br />No names!<br /><br />Also pp22pp - we follow each other on Disqus. Ive certainly voted for comments of yours at the DT and elsewhere - see you back in the trenches man!Dalek_1963http://disqus.com/Dalek_1963/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51893871664516395692013-10-18T21:18:07.905-07:002013-10-18T21:18:07.905-07:00*"Arnold lobbies for White House run"*
...*"Arnold lobbies for White House run"*<br /><br />The idea was slightly less ridiculous in 2004, when he was still a popular governor, but it's hilariously absurd to talk about it today. Should he somehow be allowed to run, he's got nothing to run on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20946609894904350332013-10-18T21:06:01.915-07:002013-10-18T21:06:01.915-07:00Cail C said - Sometimes I wonder: if future genera...Cail C said - <i>Sometimes I wonder: if future generations look back and judge us based on our popular writings and other documents like TV shows, what percentage of the population will they think was homosexual today? Maybe 25%? And of course they will think our homosexuals were unfailingly smart, good-looking, well-adjusted, and wealthy too.</i><br /><br />Wasnt there a survey a while back that asked people to estimate what they thought the gay/lesbian %age of the population was? Im pretty sure the absurd 25% figure was what emerged. A belief that can only have come from watching TV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58938143613328484262013-10-18T20:50:48.965-07:002013-10-18T20:50:48.965-07:00Child of homosexual partners says that raising a c...Child of homosexual partners says that raising a child in a homosexual household is a violation of the child's rights. <br /><br />http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/safran/stories/s3868285.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31762836950502229992013-10-18T19:41:48.124-07:002013-10-18T19:41:48.124-07:00It's hard to imagine anyone supporting Schwarz...It's hard to imagine anyone supporting Schwarzeneger for pres, let alone sitting by while the courts pervert the constitution. Again.Mountain Mavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01576976955563915561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50827946255740899162013-10-18T19:18:23.471-07:002013-10-18T19:18:23.471-07:00The homosexuality they encouraged was not of the f...<i>The homosexuality they encouraged was not of the fairy queen variety. Men who would otherwise have leaned towards being straight (with bisexual tendencies) became Rugger Buggers and went off to found the empire. You can see that in the fact that so many Kiwi men LOVE rugby.</i><br /><br />And the elephant walk, I suppose.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21745117602809044092013-10-18T18:55:07.476-07:002013-10-18T18:55:07.476-07:00Canada has had same-sex marriage since 2005. Coul...Canada has had same-sex marriage since 2005. Couldn't the study have compared children raised by same-sex "married" couples to those raised by heterosexual married couples? Or if 2005 is too recent, couldn't the study have compared children raised by unmarried same-sex couples to those raised by same-sex couples (some who were both biological parents, and some where one or none of the couple was a biological parent of the child, so that the homosexual angle will be the only variable between the two grooups)? As it is, the apologists for SSM will point to the difference are claim that the comparison was apples-to-oranges.Seamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065227784774273923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36426993158097518702013-10-18T18:21:57.258-07:002013-10-18T18:21:57.258-07:00Sometimes I wonder: if future generations look bac...<i>Sometimes I wonder: if future generations look back and judge us based on our popular writings and other documents like TV shows, what percentage of the population will they think was homosexual today? Maybe 25%? And of course they will think our homosexuals were unfailingly smart, good-looking, well-adjusted, and wealthy too.</i><br /><br />According to a Gallup poll in May 2011, about half of all Americans believe homosexuals make up 25% of our population. And these people live in this time and place. So it wouldn't surprise me if future generations felt the same way.<br /><br />BTW the Gallup site was down when I typed this. You can google <b>gallup may 2011 gay poll</b> to find the link.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85599562372077036562013-10-18T18:14:56.901-07:002013-10-18T18:14:56.901-07:00I am astonished that they were allowed to publish ...I am astonished that they were allowed to publish this study. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41889659293356887112013-10-18T17:57:36.944-07:002013-10-18T17:57:36.944-07:00Since gays and lesbians cannot (yet) procreate on ...Since gays and lesbians cannot (yet) procreate on their own.<br /><br />It will always take one man and atleast 1 woman to make a child.Always.You bought into the gay dream.That if they could do away with the need for 1 sex in procreation then that makes Sex irrelavent.gordznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76265531067594024902013-10-18T16:13:39.737-07:002013-10-18T16:13:39.737-07:00"Schwarzenegger replied, “Without any doubt.”..."Schwarzenegger replied, “Without any doubt.” With America becoming more diverse, it is not clear what would happen if Arnie or any other foreign-born naturalized citizen decided to run."<br /><br />It's all besides the point. So many real rulers of America are not even American or weren't born in America. Just look at Soros, Murdoch, and Netanhayu. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69917285059998441632013-10-18T16:00:40.970-07:002013-10-18T16:00:40.970-07:002degrees,
"They will continue to have childr...2degrees,<br /><br />"They will continue to have children by normal means until they decide to turn. That will not change."<br /><br />I think you are right. And what I've seen is that married gay men drive their wives crazy. They demoralize them and make them miserable. What happened with your mother, if I may inquire?<br /><br />Regarding the present, Britain's upper classes still do the boarding prep and public school route. Eton has reasserted itself as the prime minister and his cabinet factory. Take a look at Cameron & his cabinet.<br /><br />@cail corishev,<br /><br />Simon Raven is not to be compared with latter gay "gay is great" propagandists. He didn't glamorize homosexuals. My point is, he wrote about it as if it were the norm - and in his class, it was. He wrote the truth about his class. The environment they were raised in was suffused with romantic pederasty. Those aristocrats who made it to full blown heterosexuality had divorce after divorce. A very decayed and unstable class, under stress from all quarters.<br /><br />A lesson for the restuvus.d.....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73161102825832587082013-10-18T15:47:41.863-07:002013-10-18T15:47:41.863-07:00"Today's #Dailychart looks at teachers...<a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151923815159060&set=a.10150279872209060.361054.6013004059&type=1&theater" rel="nofollow">"Today's #Dailychart looks at teachers' social status. What value and respect do different societies accord teachers? One way to gauge this is by identifying other professions that people associate with teaching. The most common profession, cited in 14 of 21 countries surveyed by Varkey GEMS Foundation, was social worker. America and Brazil leaned closest to librarian. The most interesting outliers are in Asia."</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45638707094748384772013-10-18T15:39:37.360-07:002013-10-18T15:39:37.360-07:00"Arnold lobbies for White House run"
ht..."Arnold lobbies for White House run"<br /><br />http://pagesix.com/2013/10/18/schwarzenegger-mounting-legal-challenge-to-run-for-president/?_ga=1.92001241.23114098.1367942166<br /><br />"Action star and former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has been lobbying for support to change the law to allow him to run for president in 2016, Page Six has exclusively learned.<br /><br />We’re told Ahnold has been openly talking about his political ambitions while in New York to promote his new movie with Sylvester Stallone, “Escape Plan.”<br /><br />One source said: <b>“Schwarzenegger has been talking openly about working on getting the constitutional rules changed so he can run for president in 2016. He is ready to file legal paperwork to challenge the rules.”</b><br /><br />Arnie was born in Austria, and the US Constitution prevents foreign-born citizens from holding the nation’s top job. Any amendment to the Constitution must be approved by two-thirds majority in the House and the Senate.<br /><br />But Arnold, who became a US citizen in 1983, still could mount a legal challenge. In 2010, he appeared on the ‘Tonight Show,’ and was asked by Jay Leno if he would make a White House run if the law were changed.<br /><br />Schwarzenegger replied, “Without any doubt.” With America becoming more diverse, it is not clear what would happen if Arnie or any other foreign-born naturalized citizen decided to run.<br /><br />Columbia University Law School professor Michael Dorf, an expert in constitutional law, said about the Governator’s case in 2007, <b>“The law is very clear, but it’s not 100 percent clear that the courts would enforce that law rather than leave it to the political process.”</b>"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4236945301074292842013-10-18T15:30:12.550-07:002013-10-18T15:30:12.550-07:00""...young adults in the Canadian census...""...young adults in the Canadian census were asked, “Are you the child of a male or female same-sex married or common law couple?”<br /><br />Now that I think of it, how could this question in isolation tell the author(s) of the study whether the parents are lesbians or gay?<br /><br />There must be more to what's going on here than that single question.candid_observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72177215291090135672013-10-18T15:11:05.031-07:002013-10-18T15:11:05.031-07:00Gays and lesbians combined are 5% of the populatio...Gays and lesbians combined are 5% of the population (being very generous). Of that number, 20% cohabit or gay-marry (again, being very generous). And of that 20%, about 20% of those have kids either heterosexually in a prior relationship/marriage or via surrogacy/male friend/IVF/etc.<br /><br />So being really generous, about 1/5 of 1% of the general population is gay/lesbian, living with someone long-term and has kid(s). <br /><br />This is about 1 in 500. And that's being generous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com