tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3323719165348404594..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Women's basketball and The Narrative.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15467381797965311622013-06-21T17:39:09.603-07:002013-06-21T17:39:09.603-07:00Women's National Team kicked Korea 5-0. Abby W...Women's National Team kicked Korea 5-0. Abby Wambach just passed Mia Hamm's all time scoring record which means she has scored the most goals in Women's Soccer in international competition. <br />Awesome, girls! Just awesome!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25274524752348814972013-06-20T17:53:01.366-07:002013-06-20T17:53:01.366-07:00Speaking of which, the US Nat Women's Soccer T...Speaking of which, the US Nat Women's Soccer Team played Korea today in exhibition match. Go girls, go!<br />GO!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39984852931429615232013-06-20T07:57:12.240-07:002013-06-20T07:57:12.240-07:00Anonymous,
The Fresno State Swim and Dive girls h...Anonymous,<br /><br />The Fresno State Swim and Dive girls have rather nice (long) hair. Check out http://bit.ly/146DC8hSkeptical Economisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04068911900225517137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-803164956721078262013-06-20T06:21:26.683-07:002013-06-20T06:21:26.683-07:00In Formula One many corners create a force of 4G m...In Formula One many corners create a force of 4G meaning that your head is being pushed into your chest and you need strong neck muscles to prevent this happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34461475694875045362013-06-19T23:03:56.230-07:002013-06-19T23:03:56.230-07:00"Female sports that might attract a wider aud..."Female sports that might attract a wider audience? How about swimming and diving? Check out the Fresno State Women's Swim and Dive team."<br /><br />Swimmings no good because they are under water too much.<br /><br />Diving could work maybe. You get the looking part when they're stood on the board and the skill part is quite entertaining - no hair is a problem maybe (swimming caps) but otherwise possible.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42701136631193583552013-06-19T19:45:40.905-07:002013-06-19T19:45:40.905-07:00Female sports that might attract a wider audience?...Female sports that might attract a wider audience? How about swimming and diving? Check out the Fresno State Women's Swim and Dive team.Skeptical Economisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04068911900225517137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80968508595527840842013-06-19T11:39:25.274-07:002013-06-19T11:39:25.274-07:00The Williams brothers and grunting has definitely ...The Williams brothers and grunting has definitely killed women's tennis for me.<br /><br />MDRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79057424576592851772013-06-19T07:55:56.915-07:002013-06-19T07:55:56.915-07:00"The key is good-looking women."
"..."The key is good-looking women."<br /><br />"Popularity of a female sport can't be solely a function of how attractive the women that compete are"<br /><br />There are two versions of good -looking: hot-looking and wholesome-looking.<br /><br />Hot-looking doesn't really work in a sporting context because if the sport itself is entertaining then the hotness and sport distract from each other and if the sport isn't entertaining then the hotness doesn't make up for it for long. Also hotness doesn't work for team sports - not for very long anyway - because their are too many to look at.<br /><br />The only time hotness works in women's sport is if it's one on one and the sport itself adds to the hotness e.g. choreographed wrestling.<br /><br />Wholesome good-looking can work but again can't be a team game as then there's too many to look at. You want just one, preferably wearing a nice but sexy outfit, playing a reasonably entertaining sport which - when you add the pleasure of looking at them - is enough to not mind switching the channel if the wife wants to watch them - which they might if the women look good playing it.<br /><br />In other words tennis before the grunting.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90199722035290475642013-06-19T07:26:24.749-07:002013-06-19T07:26:24.749-07:00and gymnastics except they'd need to be 18+.and gymnastics except they'd need to be 18+.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23367928560093205962013-06-19T07:23:27.431-07:002013-06-19T07:23:27.431-07:00I think you're basically right that the only w...I think you're basically right that the only women's sport that could ever be financially successful long-term is one where both men and women think the women look good playing that sport.<br /><br />The only example i can think of is tennis and even that not since it turned into testosterone supplements and grunting.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52906479812267492792013-06-19T02:37:38.170-07:002013-06-19T02:37:38.170-07:00women's volleyball in the Big 10 gets televise...women's volleyball in the Big 10 gets televised pretty often and seems to get large crowds. I guess 6' blondes in skintight short shorts doesn't have much to do with it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16708845873234597112013-06-18T20:53:48.584-07:002013-06-18T20:53:48.584-07:00What then about women in motor sports?
Technicall...What then about women in motor sports?<br /><br />Technically, I can see some advantages to lighter women in the "cockpit" but one never gets to see them as attractive women on the race course. Fast reflexes are necessary as is some modicum of upper body strength. A downside is the aggressiveness required in some forms of racing. An early pioneer was a lady dragster driver who required neither.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.bing.com/search?q=danica+patrick&qs=AS&form=QBRE&pq=danica+patrick&sc=8-14&sp=1&sk=" rel="nofollow">Danica Patrick</a><br /><br />///////////<br /><br /><i>"i actually expect MLS games to pass NCAA basketball games in a decade. regular season NCAA basketball games on television, nobody watches most of those. they're random and stupid to be honest."</i><br /><br />Male American, or males residing in America, soccer enthusiasts probably also wear those sissy bicycle outfits when bike riding.David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30601616265959399952013-06-18T19:57:45.025-07:002013-06-18T19:57:45.025-07:00Agreed with Anon at 4:10 pm on the much greater ae...Agreed with Anon at 4:10 pm on the much greater aesthetic appeal of six-on-six Iowa girls' hoops. I grew up in IA just before the switch to five-on-five. <br /><br />I was very disappointed when Iowa gave up their sweet and quirky tradition, and in so doing threw away what was a much more enjoyable game to watch. <br /><br />There were numerous girls who averaged 50 points a game; game scores often regularly in the 80s and 90s. All in all, it was a fast-paced, passing-oriented, wide-open game that suited girls very well indeed. <br /><br />Playing this more suitable game meant Iowa had a long, storied girls' hoops tradition, with high participation rates and lots of spectator enthusiasm, far before Title IX tried to force people to like girls' sports. <br /><br />A couple of good links if anyone's interested:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.iptv.org/iowastories/detail.cfm/sixonsix" rel="nofollow">Public TV documentary on the Iowa girls' game</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.ighsau.org/history/basketball/six-playerrecords/6on6averages.html" rel="nofollow">Iowa six-on-six girls' scoring records</a> -- note that the all-time record was set by Denise Long in 1969 at a cool 68.5 pts/game. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80831325998246385772013-06-18T18:45:19.486-07:002013-06-18T18:45:19.486-07:00agnostic:
"It lets them feel sexy without fe...agnostic:<br /><br />"It lets them feel sexy without feeling cheap and whorish, since legs are not so central to the act of sex."<br /><br />I think you are doing it wrong.Julian O'Deahttp://davidcollard.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3276923766377960682013-06-18T18:08:36.316-07:002013-06-18T18:08:36.316-07:00"
"i actually expect MLS games to pass N..."<br />"i actually expect MLS games to pass NCAA basketball games in a decade. regular season NCAA basketball games on television, nobody watches most of those. they're random and stupid to be honest."<br /><br />The 2nd biggest watched tourney in US, after the superbowl, is the final four. NOTHING comes close, MLS wise, to the NCAA tourney. If you really think that one day MLS's playoffs will challenge the Final Four, well,...what can be said."<br /><br />No, no, I agree with Jody on this one, soccer is our future!, not only will it pass the NCAA, but the NBA championship and the superbowl!<br /><br /><br />Sincerely:<br /><br />Pele<br />Georgio Chinaglia <br />Franz Bekenbauer<br />And the rest of your 1977 World Champion New York Cosmos!<br />Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74060249298369668572013-06-18T17:01:27.699-07:002013-06-18T17:01:27.699-07:00Doesn't G.W. Bush spend a lot of his retiremen...Doesn't G.W. Bush spend a lot of his retirement hanging out at women's basketball games at Baylor? Kind of saystit all, in a way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25451087909223597392013-06-18T16:59:33.283-07:002013-06-18T16:59:33.283-07:00When did girls start wearing baggy shorts to play ...When did girls start wearing baggy shorts to play basketball. I remember when I was at the International School in Brussels someone accidentally ordered a set of girls' away uniforms for our team. We had to tape the shorts to our boxers in order to get the shorts to reach even our knees the shorts were so short and tight. Maybe the NCAA should just track down our team manager and ask him who he purchased our jerseys from.Sam Haysomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42933219933233607962013-06-18T16:17:58.788-07:002013-06-18T16:17:58.788-07:00Someone brought up women in motorsports. Former ra...Someone brought up women in motorsports. Former rally driver Michele Mouton is the chair of the FIA Women in Motorsport Commission yet even she says the following:<br /><br /><i>“Can a girl get to Formula 1?” mused Michele Mouton, the chair of the FIA Women in Motorsport Commission, and a great rally driver in the early 1980s. “Sure, if it is the right girl, with the right skills and the right opportunities. It is a simple truth that women do not often get a chance with a top car; they do not get sufficient testing. You need all of that, but I am sure that a girl can do that. That, though, is not the real question. The big question is whether a woman can win in Formula 1 and I am not so sure about that. <b>Men and women are different. We are not built the same way and I think the biggest difference is in terms of emotions and sensibilities.</b> I never had a problem going at top speed with a 300ft drop right next to my car, but on a race track when you are doing 300kmh down a straight you feel lighter, more exposed, or at least I did.<b> I think that women have a stronger sense of self-preservation than men. It is an instinct that is more developed in the woman than in the man. And I think this is important when you come to that last hundredth of a second. A woman can work up to the top level but men will just do it. Boom. Flat out. </b> I hope that I am wrong in my analysis and that it is not really like that but that is what I think. The other important point is that circuit racing is different to rallying. On a circuit you are in direct confrontation with men and there is always the chance that, rather letting themselves be beaten by a woman, the men will push you out!”</i><br /><br /><a href="http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/on-women-in-racing/" rel="nofollow">Michele Mouton</a>Matranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32799744652166318222013-06-18T16:10:22.777-07:002013-06-18T16:10:22.777-07:00I grew up in Iowa when girls played 6 on 6 basketb...I grew up in Iowa when girls played 6 on 6 basketball. Half played offense (forwards) on one half the court and half played defense (guards) on the other half, and no one could cross half court. No one could dribble the ball more than twice, so it put a premium on passing and shooting, which girls tend to be pretty good at, rather than waddling up and down the floor. Huge crowd turned out to see them because they looked good playing the game. With only 6 girls involved when one team has the ball, the court was a lot more wide open, and it was common to hear of a girl scoring over 50 points in a game. Let's go back to what worked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2928557467580789922013-06-18T15:52:52.104-07:002013-06-18T15:52:52.104-07:00Popularity of a female sport can't be solely a...<i>Popularity of a female sport can't be solely a function of how attractive the women that compete are because College Women's Softball is ridiculously pretty....ESPN telecasts tons of it in May and June and all the SEC, PAC12, ACC teams are filled with extremely attractive women, much more than women's soccer or even the WTA as a whole. <br /><br />Yet WNBA is bigger than pro-softball.</i><br /><br />Is it really or does it just seem that way because the NBA is promoting it? I doubt the WNBA gets <a href="http://tinyurl.com/lg58x77" rel="nofollow">1.3 million viewers</a> on cable or even OTA?. Not bad for a college sport that never gets much mention in the media. I wonder what it would get on ABC especially if it was promoted by MLB.Matranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61095651214138063932013-06-18T15:18:40.138-07:002013-06-18T15:18:40.138-07:00Jody, Jody. Come now
"i actually expect ML...Jody, Jody. Come now<br /><br /> "i actually expect MLS games to pass NCAA basketball games in a decade. regular season NCAA basketball games on television, nobody watches most of those. they're random and stupid to be honest."<br /><br />The 2nd biggest watched tourney in US, after the superbowl, is the final four. NOTHING comes close, MLS wise, to the NCAA tourney. If you really think that one day MLS's playoffs will challenge the Final Four, well,...what can be said.<br /><br />"pay is deliberately limited to avoid MLS making growing pain mistakes. pay could be higher, at the risk of very large, very bad contracts that wreck teams. which the owners and commissioner are specifically avoiding for now. i'm not saying pay would average 1 million dollars today, but it would be higher if they did not cap it."<br /><br />MLS has been around nearly 20 yrs, if they truly had faith in their product, they would start paying their players comparable to the other US sports. The sports that are actually making large revenues all earn way way more. Look abroad. 40 Million to Messi, Ronaldo, etc. that's per season. 40 mil. Start paying the players what they're worth. Oh wait, in MLS, the players are paid as if triple A baseball, which is what they're worth. Remember: In baseball or football, no team has ever gone bankrupt due to a cumulative effect of bad contracts. Sounds like the same ol' crying poormouth 'cause the owners are CHEAPSKATES. Which is a common factor in nearly all sports. If they have it, they can pay it. Like they do in nearly every major sport in US and rest of world.<br /><br />Read the post about women's soccer not having any male groupies. Thought for sure you'd catch that. Women team sports is missing out on a major way to increase its product. No male groupies, the way thre are plenty female groupies for men athletes of all sports.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90168542025405637292013-06-18T14:56:28.323-07:002013-06-18T14:56:28.323-07:00"I'm curious as to whether anyone has any..."I'm curious as to whether anyone has any numbers on the demographics of NBA (the men) fans."<br /><br />we've posted about this before with nielsen numbers. our current estimates are that about half of the television viewers now are africans. the game has become very dependent on them tuning in to watch - television contracts are signed with viewership in mind and those television contracts make up the majority of league revenue. africans might actually make up a slim majority of viewers during the playoffs.<br /><br />"I've heard the fanbase is increasingly black."<br /><br />this is correct.<br /><br />"What really gets me, is the kids. They don't follow sports at all."<br /><br />too busy playing video games and watching porn. an interesting observation you make - they don't even know they've lost anything. kind of like how the kids in 2030 won't even realize they lost a great nation. hasn't america always been brazil? you have to have been there before the change happened, to realize how much better it was in the past.<br /><br />"Because it sure seems to me that the NBA is vastly less popular than it used to be"<br /><br />i would say this is accurate. though you have to ask, vastly less popular than compared to when? compared to it's peak, or compared to it's entire history. the NBA was not popular or even a major league before 1981 or 1982 or so. it was barely even on television prior to that.<br /><br />it's far more popular now than it was in 1973, but less popular than it was in 1993. player salary tracked the television contracts almost exactly, which track spectator interest. when jordan entered the league he was being paid a couple hundred grand for 80 grueling games a year - the league was not popular and not big on television.<br /><br />10 years later when big television contracts had come in, player salaries went from a couple hundred grand a year to tens of millions a year. a one time transition.<br /><br />"The slower pace and lack of physicality actually make the women's game interesting to me, because the technical side shows more."<br /><br />the best thing about women playing soccer is that they rarely flop. which ruins the men's game. flopping is ruining NBA play now.jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39152845192133221202013-06-18T14:51:22.419-07:002013-06-18T14:51:22.419-07:00"My father is 5'6" and grew up playi..."My father is 5'6" and grew up playing basketball in Philadelphia in the 1940's when it was still a white man's game. As a kid, I remember him living and breathing basketball. <br /><br />Today, he loathes what the game has become. However, he will still sometimes watch women's college basketball. He says its the last place you still see it being played as the team game it once was."<br /><br />My father grew up playing basketball in the same era in Louisville. He says the same thing about girls NCAA basketball. Too bad their male fan demographic is in their 80s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69713194093065900962013-06-18T14:49:21.380-07:002013-06-18T14:49:21.380-07:00"There is a feminine version of hoops played ..."There is a feminine version of hoops played elsewhere in the Anglosphere: Netball."<br /><br />handball is similar to hoops and women look better playing handball than basketball. probably because the flow of the game is more like soccer.<br /><br />"Not quite accurate. MLS is never going to equal MLB or NFL or NCAA Div 1 Football or Basketball televised games."<br /><br />i wouldn't go that far. i actually expect MLS games to pass NCAA basketball games in a decade. regular season NCAA basketball games on television, nobody watches most of those. they're random and stupid to be honest. 11-10 northwest buttfunk state versus 9-13 tech poly southern. who is watching some of these games they flood the networks with in january. i figure they put these on because they are cheap. it doesn't cost much to buy the rights for programming like that.<br /><br />in 2020 MLS games will have higher ratings than those. soccer is growing for real this time. not like it's previous false starts. when i was a kid and started playing, the US scene was the new york cosmos. we're a long way beyond that today.<br /><br />"One way you can tell it is in player's salaries. Only about half a dozen earn over 500K per season."<br /><br />pay is deliberately limited to avoid MLS making growing pain mistakes. pay could be higher, at the risk of very large, very bad contracts that wreck teams. which the owners and commissioner are specifically avoiding for now. i'm not saying pay would average 1 million dollars today, but it would be higher if they did not cap it.jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50001640136239719492013-06-18T14:40:20.140-07:002013-06-18T14:40:20.140-07:00Regarding Britney Griner: Two works: Caster Semeny...Regarding Britney Griner: Two works: Caster Semenya.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.com