tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3369358124428749091..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Charter Schools and Real Estate PlaysUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73606283711376914092012-09-18T15:52:40.508-07:002012-09-18T15:52:40.508-07:00Also e-learning for high school level students wou...<i>Also e-learning for high school level students would create a whole generation of socially awkward people. High school is where most people learn to socialize, interact with the opposite sex, and participate in group dynamics. This has been the case since the early 20th century so it is deeply ingrained into our culture.</i><br /><br />No, it isn't. Most people learn to socialize long before high school or even elementary school. There is also family, friends (as opposed to "peers"), churches, clubs, hobbies, interest groups, and the like. It can be argued that adolescence is the age where one needs to spend some time by one's self, to discover one's own true self apart from artificial tribal gangs. Public schooling teaches mostly "negative socialization", benefitting mostly the bullies and psychopaths in peer leadership positions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16244929999334809552012-09-18T13:15:57.003-07:002012-09-18T13:15:57.003-07:00"At some point white people will have to stop..."At some point white people will have to stop the "flight" and stand up for themselves."<br /><br />I know of one example where a working class white neighborhood was preserved by standing up; it involved a lot of criminal behavior and a lot of arrests of white youth. It worked. Is that the plan? An arrest record doesn't look so good on a college application- not that many of the preservationists went on to college.<br /><br />My friend's nephew was going to school in an all black neighborhood and he was a nervous, introverted basket case. When the family moved back to the grandparents' house in a white town, he went to a good school, came out of his shell and eventually became a normal person, got a job, met a girl and got married.<br /><br />Majority minority schools are no place to be educated or socialized. When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose. I don't see a future where white kids get bused to white schools, so e-learning is a viable, if not perfect alternative. <br /><br /><br />"The purpose of a college education is to give you the correct view of minorities, and the means to live as far away from them as possible."<br /> Joe SobranAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15893093603023397462012-09-18T11:41:47.009-07:002012-09-18T11:41:47.009-07:00E-learning schools will never catch on for one sim...E-learning schools will never catch on for one simple reason: it is way too easy to cheat.<br /><br />My (large, state) university offers a few lower-level courses in online format to reduce crowding in lecture halls. Cheating on the tests and quizzes is widespread. There is just no guard against it. People look up answers online while taking tests, or take the tests in groups. All exams/quizzes would have to be strictly proctored in order to make online courses not a joke. <br /><br />Also e-learning for high school level students would create a whole generation of socially awkward people. High school is where most people learn to socialize, interact with the opposite sex, and participate in group dynamics. This has been the case since the early 20th century so it is deeply ingrained into our culture. <br /><br /> At some point white people will have to stop the "flight" and stand up for themselves.Anonyianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35736774593733903132012-09-18T07:39:08.549-07:002012-09-18T07:39:08.549-07:00David Davenport said ""However we really...David Davenport said ""However we really should start to discourage them from breeding...""<br /><br />"Explain that to anti-abortion people, such as out host, Mr. Steve."<br /><br />I'm anti-abortion as well. There are other methods of reducing birthrates than abortion. How about birth control? How about not giving them raises for each kid they push out? Given the extremely high time preferences of the underclass, I suspect you'd get a fairly high acceptance rate of cash in exchange for getting spayed? Yeah the last one would create a lot of howling from the Perpetually Offended industry but it would be far more humane than any alternative I can think of. Nasty, Brutish, and Shortnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3510712554670204032012-09-17T20:47:34.562-07:002012-09-17T20:47:34.562-07:00"Explain that to anti-abortion people, such a..."Explain that to anti-abortion people, such as out host, Mr. Steve."<br /><br />They must have made him read A Modest Proposal at an impressionable age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7428007711047847482012-09-17T20:38:36.223-07:002012-09-17T20:38:36.223-07:00Support for Whiskey from Wikipedia:
The worldwid...Support for Whiskey from Wikipedia:<br /><br /><br />The worldwide e-learning industry is estimated to be worth over $48 billion according to conservative estimates.[2] Developments in internet and multimedia technologies are the basic enabler of e-learning, with consulting, content, technologies, services and support being identified as the five key sectors of the e-learning industry.[3]<br /><br />And:<br /><br />E-learning is increasingly being utilized by students who may not want to go to traditional brick and mortar schools due to severe allergies or other medical issues, fear of school violence and school bullying and students whose parents would like to homeschool but do not feel qualified.[9] Cyber schools create a safe haven for students to receive a quality education while almost completely avoiding these common problems. Cyber charter schools also often are not limited by location, income level or class size in the way brick and mortar charter schools are.[10]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76690136902374206412012-09-17T19:32:44.165-07:002012-09-17T19:32:44.165-07:00Large high schools are a pretext for busing teenag...<i>Large high schools are a pretext for busing teenagers to the other side of town.</i><br /><br />That too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83494523372941442792012-09-17T18:59:06.655-07:002012-09-17T18:59:06.655-07:00However we really should start to discourage them ...<i> However we really should start to discourage them from breeding. Encouraging them to breed means we’re making an implicit promise we will always look after them. At some point we won’t have the money to, and thus their lives will become brutal and likely quite short .</i><br /><br />Explain that to anti-abortion people, such as out host, Mr. Steve.<br /><br /><i>Small vs large schools have their pros and cons. Small schools create administrator positions. Large schools are better jock farms, to the benefit of such "educational" organizations as the NFL and NBA.</i><br /><br />Large high schools are a pretext for busing teenagers to the other side of town.David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16012366702495749512012-09-17T17:58:47.569-07:002012-09-17T17:58:47.569-07:00C'mon man. Life can't just be living. Some...<i> C'mon man. Life can't just be living. Some of it has to be worth living. Who the hell wants to just grind away with no beauty in life? Intelligent youth want nothing more than just grinding away? Unlikely. </i><br /><br />It is not the job of schools to provide "beauty in life" beyond an introduction to the great literature and art of the world. That IS their job. The rest is up to the person. Any "intelligent youth" who relies on the school system for "beauty" is, ipso facto, not an "intelligent youth." <br /><br />I have nothing against the teaching of art -- that is, art appreciation and history. In fact it is an essential element in education. But "art classes" are 98% witless daubings and time wasting. As is so much of the rest of it. <br /><br />Students need content, content, content and facts, facts, facts. Without a rigorous grounding in facts -- scientific, historical, mathematical, literary -- you will NEVER know beauty because you will not have the necessary equipment to grasp it.peterikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29777847805616194352012-09-17T17:25:36.615-07:002012-09-17T17:25:36.615-07:00I'm shocked by those prices. I can see paying ...I'm shocked by those prices. I can see paying pretty good money to be along the coast, enjoying the beautiful people and the best weather on earth.<br /><br />Who the hell would pay that sort of money to live in the Valley, with the horrific heat and the lousy architecture and the dodgy looking people?<br /><br />I'd much rather live in suburban Dallas for $100 a square foot, in a brand new house, in a great school district, with no state or city income tax.William Bootnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84018255479655387932012-09-17T17:22:15.240-07:002012-09-17T17:22:15.240-07:00I have to agree with Whiskey, e-schooling is the a...I have to agree with Whiskey, e-schooling is the answer for inner city Whites, Asians and even studious NAMS. Unlike correspondence courses, e-learning is not exclusively asynchronous. There is a difference in kind between a letter or essay of 30 years ago and the computer correspondence of today. It might not be ideal, but it certainly beats sitting in class anticipating an assault from your classmates, or yawning through a class while other kids keep asking in ghetto-speak, "why we got to learn all this stuff?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25183649420795392642012-09-17T15:52:39.614-07:002012-09-17T15:52:39.614-07:00correspondence courses didn't break universiti...<i>correspondence courses didn't break universities, so internet based correspondence courses likely won't either. attending a prestigious university grants a certain amount of status and you of all people should know the value of that.</i><br /><br />And what about socialization, though that is more a grade school issue than a college one? I'm surprised that educrats aren't screaming about webucation the same way they do about homeschooling turning kids into nuuuuuuurds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66059641543866270112012-09-17T13:49:17.694-07:002012-09-17T13:49:17.694-07:00Try it some day. It really isn't that easy.
...<i>Try it some day. It really isn't that easy. </i><br /><br />I don't just try it. I do it. Not some day, but every day.Mitchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74749970621029177522012-09-17T13:10:19.783-07:002012-09-17T13:10:19.783-07:00@Whiskey:
"What about e-schooling and web-bas...@Whiskey:<br />"What about e-schooling and web-based schools Steve?" - correspondence courses didn't break universities, so internet based correspondence courses likely won't either. attending a prestigious university grants a certain amount of status and you of all people should know the value of that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44079655933898655462012-09-17T12:51:56.394-07:002012-09-17T12:51:56.394-07:00Small vs large schools have their pros and cons. S...Small vs large schools have their pros and cons. Small schools create administrator positions. Large schools are better jock farms, to the benefit of such "educational" organizations as the NFL and NBA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64606439313371665222012-09-17T12:14:47.693-07:002012-09-17T12:14:47.693-07:00Sunbeam asked “What happens to the kids that canno...Sunbeam asked “What happens to the kids that cannot or totally do not want to be educated in the long run? If you say they need to get jobs, at what exactly? I've sat around trying to do math about how to make a living on minimum wage jobs, and it isn't easy. To be blunt, you probably will do anything possible not to hire these guys even for minimum wage jobs.”<br /><br />This is a good question and should be on the frontal lobe for anyone contemplating what the eventual collapse of the welfare state may look like. It is unlikely that hordes of underclass will think “well that was a nice run while it lasted, time to get a job”. What jobs do you give people that are unemployable? There is no wage low enough to entice a business owner to hire an illiterate sociopath. What service could they possibly provide that would offset the risk of them stealing or violently attacking the owner or his/her customers? Thus much of our current transfer payment schemes are money well spent: these people can’t be employed; thus paying them to sit there and (mostly) keep their crime to themselves is about all you can hope for. However we really should start to discourage them from breeding. Encouraging them to breed means we’re making an implicit promise we will always look after them. At some point we won’t have the money to, and thus their lives will become brutal and likely quite short .Nasty, Brutish, and Shortnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22321090582729242742012-09-17T12:05:37.588-07:002012-09-17T12:05:37.588-07:00JustaClown said: “Well, they got into power with b...JustaClown said: “Well, they got into power with bush and they had the congress, too. Vouchers were never mentioned by them after that. Wonder why? How come you never talk about that?”<br /><br />He has written about it. By “you never talk about” you really meant “I’ve never read any of your columns on education”. It’s been a few years but Steve commented fairly extensively on the New Jersey GOP gubernatorial candidate who ran on a voucher and school choice platform. Not only did he lose, he lost the more affluent districts you’d expect a Republican to win. It turns out people who ride the train for 90 minutes each way to/from work so their kids miss the all the vibrancy and diversity were against the idea of buses and trains full of diversity and vibrancy showing up at their kid’s schools. As far as why the GOP doesn’t follow through on it? The same reason they never follow on immigration or cutting spending or anything else. They’re politicians. NJTrainRidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84627896145276086162012-09-17T10:00:01.389-07:002012-09-17T10:00:01.389-07:00David Davenport said:
A children's prison? Pl...David Davenport said:<br /><br /><i>A children's prison? Please tell us more about that.</i><br /><br />The institution was the San Francisco Youth Guidance Center and my job title was Youth Guidance Counselor. Those terms of course were euphemisms. It was and is still today a children's prison.<br /><br />It located at:<br />375 Woodside Avenue, San Francisco, CA <br />You can reach them at:(415)753-7800 <br /><br />There were two sets of "cottages" for boys and girls, And two sets for what I called the good kids and the bad kids. They were also divided by age groups. <br /><br />When a woman with a minor child was sent to prison her kid was also sent to prison. If she were sent away for a long time they would try to place the little kid in a foster home but a lot of female felons objected to that and the kids were sent to the Youth Guidance Center for the length of her term. They had a special "cottage" for infants but I never saw inside it. Only female "counselors" worked with the really little ones.<br /><br />These kids were not guilty of anyhing except having bad parents. These were the "good little kids". But there were also the the "bad big kids". Most of these were black teenage gang members. Some Hispanic.<br /><br />I was hired for three reasons - I had a psychology degree (I'd just graduated), I was big (6'4") and I had competed in college judo. Every other "counselor" was also big and athletic. All the questions at my job interview were about sports.<br /><br />I worked only on call while I was there. I pulled a lot of midnight to 8 shifts. I had to pass the civil service test first to work full time. The test item that separated out the candidates was the dumbell lift. Twelve reps with a 50 lb dumbell, each arm. <br /><br />The more experienced counsellors advised me on the technique of "wall to wall" therapy. Bouncing a kid off the walls in a closed cell doesn't leave marks as it adjusts thier attitude.<br /><br />Some of the bad kids were in for armed robbery or murder. The creepiest case I remember was a ten year old who burned up stray cats. We know that this is the pattern for young serial killers.<br /><br />OTOH you couldn't help but feel sympathetic for a lot of the good little kids. They were locked up every day in what looked like a concrete bunker.<br /><br />I don't think the SF facility is in any way special. I imagine there are similar facilities in most major US cities. When the cops bust a prostitute at three in the morning they have to do something with her minor child. And when a 15 year old gang banger is awaiting his murder trial he can't be left in the city jail with the adults. <br /><br />Albertosaurus <br /><br />Pat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58043733397725215862012-09-17T09:57:54.222-07:002012-09-17T09:57:54.222-07:00"None of those things has the slightest thing...<i><br />"None of those things has the slightest thing to do with someone getting a good education. They are mostly pointless, cost-raising nonsense driven by the education establishment for the benefit of the education establishment."</i><br /><br />C'mon man. Life can't just be living. Some of it has to be worth living. Who the hell wants to just grind away with no beauty in life? Intelligent youth want nothing more than just grinding away? Unlikely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44028555447625363902012-09-17T09:03:34.519-07:002012-09-17T09:03:34.519-07:00BTW I am sure it has been noted here that Steve Jo...BTW I am sure it has been noted here that Steve Jobs had his own experience with a culturally vibrant school.His message to his beloved parents:"Get me the hell OUT of here!NOW!"joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10793909020128166062012-09-17T09:01:55.064-07:002012-09-17T09:01:55.064-07:00Re "the thriving Jewish schools...after bussi...Re "the thriving Jewish schools...after bussing" reminds me of not one,but two seperate stories,one in each paper here in Chicago,about Jews,er,leaving the West Side Austin area. Both said that the post-war Jews got tired of living in apartments and wanted to live in houses,and since there were no houses in Austin,they were forced to leave.They didnt want to go--they had to. (Kind of like a disaspora.I dont know if they had a dream of housing going up in Austin,so they could do an aliyah someday? At Passover did they ever recite,"Next year in Austin"?).It had nothing to do with the,uhm,you know. One story bragged of a Jewsih temple being sold to an African-American outfit,all nice and friendly.("Come on Leroy,just sign the paper.My car is running!") Jews didnt have trouble with the,you know,unlike the Austin goyim!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56470663941138715702012-09-17T08:20:22.563-07:002012-09-17T08:20:22.563-07:00In Texas, it's common to find charter schools ...In Texas, it's common to find charter schools housed in old supermarkets or strip malls that have gone bust.<br /><br />In Houston, old-line Catholic schools St. Agnes (for girls) and Strake Jesuit (for boys) both just completed real estate deals to expand their land-locked campuses for sports. St. Agnes bought land that used to house an old car dealership that had gone belly-up; Strake bought a neighboring apartment complex (likely home to lots of illegal immigrants considering the neighborhood) and is tearing it down.poolsidenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7176806028291799222012-09-17T06:29:57.644-07:002012-09-17T06:29:57.644-07:00Seth sez: A small school just means less space fo...Seth sez: <i> A small school just means less space for gyms, audiitoriums, music rooms, athletic fields, art studios, etc. </i><br /><br />None of those things has the slightest thing to do with someone getting a good education. They are mostly pointless, cost-raising nonsense driven by the education establishment for the benefit of the education establishment.peterikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42318600186830615032012-09-17T04:09:02.554-07:002012-09-17T04:09:02.554-07:00I'm kind of struck by something.
Perhaps it i...I'm kind of struck by something.<br /><br />Perhaps it is a mistaken perception by me, but in an earlier day it seemed like philanthropists would have come out of the woodworks to donate property to a school.<br /><br />Circa 1900 in New England, these guys wouldn't have had many problems eventually finding someone to donate 100 acres or something in a trust to the school.<br /><br />Or do I have a mistaken view of history? And honestly you kind of have to wonder about the motivations of some of the guys starting charter schools. I'm sure some of these guys are who they say they are, and some are running a speculative and probably legal real estate scam themselves.<br /><br />I also have to wonder about the kids "no one wants." What is the long run situation with them? No speculation on the actual percentages, but some of the students from an inner city district would do just fine if put in another environment. A lot wouldn't.<br /><br />What happens to the kids that cannot or totally do not want to be educated in the long run?<br /><br />If you say they need to get jobs, at what exactly? I've sat around trying to do math about how to make a living on minimum wage jobs, and it isn't easy.<br /><br />To be blunt, you probably will do anything possible not to hire these guys even for minimum wage jobs.<br /><br />sunbeamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16540822135478202229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54074625901499147932012-09-17T00:31:18.993-07:002012-09-17T00:31:18.993-07:00No. It's a power law graph. The lower the abil...<i>No. It's a power law graph. The lower the ability, the harder to teach. Low ability kids are harder to teach than mid-ability, who are harder to teach than high-ability.</i><br /><br />Not true. <br /><br />Mid ability are the hardest to teach. With low ability you know what to expect -- not much. With high ability it's a breeze. <br /><br />Mid ability requires more technique and skill, because they've got more potential than low, but it's a lot harder to draw out than with high. <br /><br />Try it some day. It really isn't that easy. Billhttp://www.welmer.org/noreply@blogger.com