tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3782067928938634015..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: New Yorkers: Notice what we say, not what we doUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32628454321745296982009-11-23T17:04:18.769-08:002009-11-23T17:04:18.769-08:00"Well, these kids will all end up in academia..."Well, these kids will all end up in academia since these kids will end up with poor social skills, and will need to associate with people like themselves to neuter this personality disadvantage."<br /><br />Social skills such as what? Listening to Britney Spears with friend and wasting time?Middletown Girlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91382656975785312002009-11-23T12:03:14.112-08:002009-11-23T12:03:14.112-08:00Well, these kids will all end up in academia since...Well, these kids will all end up in academia since these kids will end up with poor social skills, and will need to associate with people like themselves to neuter this personality disadvantage. <br /><br />Rather than playing with other kids, these kids are studying by themselves which will hurt them down the line since they have no experience dealing with people, or working with people.<br /><br />Remember "new white flight" article about white families fleeing Asians since the Asians work too hard at school, raising the academic bar, leaving no time for sports?<br /><br />Well the white kids moving away will have lower test scores (as you've shown) than the Asian kids, but the white kids will end up as better natural leaders, kinda like Charlie Croker, making the smart kids to do work for the jocks, kinda like JoJo Johannson.<br /><br />Or the smart kids can go into academia.OhioStaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74242209652976173472009-11-23T09:43:30.678-08:002009-11-23T09:43:30.678-08:00If you are the kind of the person (generally white...<i>If you are the kind of the person (generally white ethnic and Catholic) who needs a high level of social interaction</i>.<br /><br />Would that include the Irish?<br /><br />In the RoI there is only one large city - Dublin.<br /><br />Much of the population is spread around small rural villages which are smaller and less densely populated than an American suburb.<br /><br />Furthermore most Irish immigrants historically would have come from these scattered, isolated village communities. Which were even more representitive of Ireland in the past than now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26682271068819536962009-11-23T09:04:33.017-08:002009-11-23T09:04:33.017-08:00Steve from Orlando said
> NYC liberals actuall...Steve from Orlando said<br /><br />> NYC liberals actually pro-create? I thought they were all gay or DINKs. <<br /><br />Nobody said Jewish mommas aren't still poppin' 'em out.<br /><br />Steve Wood said<br /><br />> I understand why a 25-year-old wants to live in the city. I can't figure out why anyone over 30 with children would want to. <<br /><br />Remember what bank robber Willie Sutton said. "Because that's where the money is."<br /><br />> I live in a town with a top-10 public school system. The town is very affluent, of course, and overwhelmingly white [...T]he schools contain a full complement of the usual school types - jocks, nerds, outsiders, preppies, theater types. Kids who go through the local school system will not be exposed to Diversity (upper-case "D"), but they will meet a much wider range of people <<br /><br />An interesting point. I believe whites are much more diverse in the genuine sense than NAMs are. Despite the Orwellian use of the word "vibrant" to describe the latter, they all seem to me to have a boring sameness and mediocrity.<br /><br />Anonymous said<br /><br />> Living outside of [urban] civilization is fine for people who like that, but for those of us who want to be part of a polis it sucks. <<br /><br />Most people embrace the city for money and entertainment, and hate having to live "asses and elbows" with other people. From Thomas Jefferson on, the usual American take on city living is that "the polis" (I guess you just mean bunches of people, since suburbia and rural areas have local government) is precisely what's oppressive about it; it's a necessary evil to be endured in order to obtain economic values - a finer division of labor, larger economies of scale - but no attraction. That's why most people, after they make their money in the city, retire to the country. (New Yorkers have Florida, though weather is a large factor in choosing that particular destination.) I am reminded of what's said about American pioneer Daniel Boone: whensoever he saw the smoke of a new chimney miles away on the horizon, he would consider his place too crowded to live in any longer, and move. Question: how can you stand the constant noise, for one thing? Do you use earplugs in the City That Never Sleeps or what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60794587526058338542009-11-22T19:30:03.821-08:002009-11-22T19:30:03.821-08:00"As for the rube upthread who doesn't kno..."As for the rube upthread who doesn't know why people want to stay in civilization instead of . . . ."<br /><br />By all means, stay right where you are. Believe me, you've found your proper place.<br /><br />--Arid, plastic, suburban rubeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75385950440210885612009-11-22T17:49:49.445-08:002009-11-22T17:49:49.445-08:00Alright, I'll take a shot at articulating what...Alright, I'll take a shot at articulating what I mean.<br /><br />I think the burbs are pretty great for Northern Europeans protties who are introverted and/or satisfied by their families and coworkers forming nearly all of their social interaction. They are nice for people who like to be home and who are happiest with an environment they can exert the maximum amount of control over.<br /><br />The thing is, not everyone is like that, and oddly enough, a lot of us who aren't like that were ethnically cleansed from the Northeastern cities That's why my family ended up in SF, which I agree is secondrate and kinda twee, but most of us ended up in the burbs. If you are the kind of the person (generally white ethnic and Catholic) who needs a high level of social interaction and find controlled environments icky and menacing, what are you going to do? Well you're going to move into what is available to you in the burbs. And that is: shopping; local politics dominated by soulless developers; shit you gotta drive to; age-segregated children's activities that cost a lot of money and lend themselves to nutbar status competition; useless hamster-wheel PTA activities. These activities are, indeed, arid, plastic, and I'll add soul-destroying.<br /><br />There is no civitas out there. Living outside of civilization is fine for people who like that, but for those of us who want to be part of a polis it sucks.<br /><br />And as for the anonymous who thinks that the ladies should just move out and homeschool, I did that. It's grueling. I don't blame people who can't hack it. Go find a nice homeschool mommy and take her to lunch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19686069627220831532009-11-22T17:34:04.516-08:002009-11-22T17:34:04.516-08:00Good point that a huge number of middle class whit...Good point that a huge number of middle class white people who live in Manhattan now can only do so because of inherited rent control apts. I know people who have 3rd generation apartments originally rented by their garment worker grandparents in what were slums but that are now fantastically expensive areas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31533835994101330042009-11-22T16:57:08.933-08:002009-11-22T16:57:08.933-08:00Feyman achieved a top score in the Putnam mathemat...Feyman achieved a top score in the Putnam mathematical competition for his year and was named a Putnam fellow. <br /><br />I don't think that's a possible achievement for someone with a 125 IQ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7107935292826275082009-11-22T16:09:57.166-08:002009-11-22T16:09:57.166-08:00If the women in these articles had any brains they...If the women in these articles had any brains they would move away from Manhattan to a place where their husbands salary (if they have a husband and if the husband has a steady job) could support the family, then home school their children. Even in these elite private schools and gifted programs, the kids get a pitiful amount of academic instruction, all in a group setting where your kid has the teacher's direct attention for maybe 10 minutes a day, if for that long. The textbooks are all standardized.<br /><br />At home under your supervision, you could probably get your child of somewhat above average intelligence through a 4th grade curriculum by the time he is 8. And all the extra attention from a parent (someone who feels a personal stake in the child's outcome) might even boost his IQ 10 points or so -- remember, IQ is at least somewhat dependent on environment.<br /><br />Of course one advantage of the Dalton is that your kid can experiment with drugs and sex before age 12. Now isn't that special.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87261458208889020952009-11-22T12:21:20.316-08:002009-11-22T12:21:20.316-08:00Things like this are why I am so glad I was raised...Things like this are why I am so glad I was raised in Queens and not on the Upper West Side.Pissed Off Chinamannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51704833862419711872009-11-22T10:40:14.606-08:002009-11-22T10:40:14.606-08:00I've been to New York (haven't we all). I ...<i>I've been to New York (haven't we all). I didn't see too many white people. Even fewer white kids, I am sure. </i><br /><br />You must not have been there lately. Manhattan below 96th Street on the East Side and even further uptown on the West Side is now overwhelmingly white and affluent. There are yuppies pushing their kids in strollers everywhere. It's almost completely different from the city I moved to 20 years ago. Speaking of which ...<br /><br /><i>As for the rube upthread who doesn't know why people want to stay in civilization instead of raising their children in the arid, plastic, bad facsimile of human life that is a "good" suburb, if you have to ask I guess you'll never know.</i><br /><br />[Ahem] I lived in New York for 10 years - New York, that is, a REAL city, not some tiny faux-Eastern imitation on a few quake-prone hills in California. I am quite familiar with the advantages of city life and the tendency of city dwellers to call the suburbs "arid" and "plastic." However, I have yet to have an urbanite actually articulate what they mean by those words because they themselves don't know. They're just buzzwords city people like to throw around to make themselves feel superior. <br /><br /><i>For liberals, diversity (and public school) is for Other People.</i><br /><br />You misunderstood what I meant by "diversity" (lower-case "d"). I live in a town with a top-10 public school system. The town is very affluent, of course, and overwhelmingly white. Nevertheless, there are a few scattered neighborhoods with slightly lower housing prices where people who are middle or even lower-middle class live. (Not many working class people left in town these days.) Futhermore, because it's a large town, the schools contain a full complement of the usual school types - jocks, nerds, outsiders, preppies, theater types. Kids who go through the local school system will not be exposed to Diversity (upper-case "D"), but they will meet a much wider range of people than they would in the hothouse environment of an elite urban private school.Steve Woodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1250598423551695702009-11-22T09:40:32.793-08:002009-11-22T09:40:32.793-08:00"a rent-controlled apartment on the Upper Wes..."a rent-controlled apartment on the Upper West Side which to which the husband succeeded when his mother passed away": to imagine that you can avoid the development of an aristocracy based on inheritance it to fly in the face of human nature.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91089058666642437922009-11-22T09:20:52.573-08:002009-11-22T09:20:52.573-08:00What kind of name is Rosenblum?What kind of name is Rosenblum?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46342201581603040652009-11-22T08:54:59.675-08:002009-11-22T08:54:59.675-08:00The ERB is not used for private school admissions....<i>The ERB is not used for private school admissions. It is used once students are admitted; I remember taking it, beginning in second grade.</i><br /><br />You are mistaken. See for yourself.<br /><br />http://www.dalton.org/information/admission/first.asp<br /><br />http://www.spenceschool.org/data/files/gallery/AdmissionsFileGallery/CklstK_20091.pdf<br /><br />http://www.trinityschoolnyc.org/podium/default.aspx?t=125497keypusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07176947522040838625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77041816788830384932009-11-22T00:00:49.058-08:002009-11-22T00:00:49.058-08:00Smart Whites should spend their extra money trying...Smart Whites should spend their extra money trying to have MORE children, not better children.<br /><br />Trying to have better children by investing money in their education is throwing your money down a rathole for the most part.<br /><br />Maybe it will lead to more eugenic mating if Johnny and Jennifer aren't exposed to a bunch of low IQ minorities they could, in theory, race mix with.<br /><br />But that's the only real advantage I can think of.<br /><br />And if that's your goal, wouldn't it be a lot easier and cheaper just to raise them as racists?<br /><br />A white couple with 4 children is twice as likely to produce a genius than a white couple with 2 children.<br /><br />That's something to think about.Michaelhttp://venturageoscore.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54866965199246625282009-11-21T22:47:45.477-08:002009-11-21T22:47:45.477-08:00Frank Rich bangs on about the importance of pubic ...Frank Rich bangs on about the importance of pubic schools - but his kids went to Dalton.that's richnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64444826956304105362009-11-21T21:41:32.971-08:002009-11-21T21:41:32.971-08:00The ERB is not used for private school admissions....The ERB is not used for private school admissions. It is used once students are admitted; I remember taking it, beginning in second grade. <br /><br />As for the rube upthread who doesn't know why people want to stay in civilization instead of raising their children in the arid, plastic, bad facsimile of human life that is a "good" suburb, if you have to ask I guess you'll never know. <br /><br />The real question isn't why people want to stay in the real world and resist being deported to the comfortable concentration camps/ reservations for white people, it's why they aren't founding schools to serve their needs. It's very strange. My exclusive, expensive, elite, etc SF private school was founded in 1974. Two other such schools were founded around the same time in SF. I wouldn't send my children to what these schools have turned into, but I am pretty despairing that no one is interested in founding new, good schools. What happened in a generation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10782383988331119302009-11-21T20:59:42.087-08:002009-11-21T20:59:42.087-08:00Steve Wood --
The appeal of the city can be seen ...Steve Wood --<br /><br />The appeal of the city can be seen in any HGTV (Home and Garden Television, also known as "Home and Gay" for all the gay people on it) show about various White couples with or without kids seeking homes in the cities. <br /><br />The idea is, they are "not" the "boring people in the suburbs" but "hip and cool" folks with much higher STATUS than suburbanites.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26839830464738173782009-11-21T20:17:19.299-08:002009-11-21T20:17:19.299-08:00"Unless Feynman was playing some sort of joke..."Unless Feynman was playing some sort of joke on the tester, I'd guess it's just a misprint. The real score might have been 215 or (more likely) 251, though probably not 512.."<br /><br />Feynman was a late talker and reader like Einstein, but by the time he was a senior in a NYC high school he was winning city wide math contests by remarkable margins -- so says Wikipedia. He also won the Putnam prize in College, which you can do only if you are at least 5 sigma above average in math ability. I have no doubt that between the time of being a mute 3 year old and becoming a high school math whiz that Feynman, maybe around the age of 8 or so, was capable of scoring a 125 on an IQ test; however, this result just didn't happen to be predictive of his ultimate potential.<br /><br />IQ tests are mostly predictive at young ages, but maybe for a few percent, it's not. Also, if a child has an oddly original way of parsing language, as Feynman apparently did throughout his life, the test might have seemed ridiculous. Who knows. But pointing to Feynman and saying we should spend 40 billion more dollars on California Hispanic grade schoolers because we might be overlooking some Mexican Einstein is dumb. It's more cost efficient to concentrate on smaller populations with exceptional average IQs like the Jews or big populations with somewhat above average intelligence like the Chinese, or even modest size populations with average IQ like the Mormons to mine for gifted mathematicians and scientists.<br /><br />Its telling that there are more than ten times as many Mexicans as Jews, but there are 10 times as many famous Jewish mathematicians as notable Mexican mathematicians, and some of the famous Mexican mathematicians (8 in all) listed in Wikipedia appear to have Jewish or European names.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84449613277399756802009-11-21T20:02:26.841-08:002009-11-21T20:02:26.841-08:00-A good public school is far more diverse - in the...-A good public school is far more diverse - in the positive, undebased sense of the word - than a Manhattan private school.- <br /><br /><br />For liberals, diversity (and public school) is for Other People.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37775335090250374162009-11-21T19:26:28.570-08:002009-11-21T19:26:28.570-08:00My old friend Russell Kirk, the genius conservativ...My old friend Russell Kirk, the genius conservative philosopher, didn't start reading until he was 7, yet went on to write about 30 books and thousands of articles. He never talked a lot, either, except when he gave a speech or told one of his ghostly tales on Halloween.<br /><br />IQ tests at such an early age are a ridiculous status obsession. Free the children!John Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795977089953532965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74946481780027825192009-11-21T18:25:35.276-08:002009-11-21T18:25:35.276-08:00Good then, we can all look forward to yet another ...<b>Good then, we can all look forward to yet another crop of royally f*cked up movers and shakers coming of age in about 30 years, and hell bent on instructing the rest of the country -- no, make that the world -- in how to conduct both public and private affairs...</b><br /><br />Well, according to the new EU President Something von Rumpuy, 2009 marked the 'first year of global governance.' Global media, global governance, so yes...<br /><br />I've been to New York (haven't we all). I didn't see too many white people. Even fewer white kids, I am sure. I think the best way to get rid of affirmative action is to finally call the liberal's bluff: absolute affirmative action, everywhere - pre-schools, high schools, public schools, private schools, colleges, businesses, hospitals, everywhere. And absolute proportional representation. Include taxpayer subsidized "affordable housing" in every single neighborhood from sea to shining sea. Show the liberals where we're going. Show them it is entirely unescapable. Let their jaws drop. Let ourselves seem the more moral and enlightened ones, for a change. Then dare the Democrats to vote against it. Then watch the SWPLs and Asians flee the Democratic Party like mad screaming baboons.Jimmy Crackedcornnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80709767530268566792009-11-21T18:23:18.558-08:002009-11-21T18:23:18.558-08:00If people can prep their kids to do an IQ test the...<i>If people can prep their kids to do an IQ test then how can IQ be 'inherent'</i><br /><br />Test preparation or coaching doesn't necessarily level the playing field.<br /><br />Without test prep or coaching, one person might score x + n and another person might score x - n on the standardized test.<br /><br />With coaching, x -n might improve to x - n + k. <br /><br />However, x +n may improve to x + n + k + an additional increment.David Daevnportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74083118599179862692009-11-21T17:49:18.279-08:002009-11-21T17:49:18.279-08:00Steve Wood: Why would anyone with kids stay in Man...Steve Wood: Why would anyone with kids stay in Manhattan? I know a couple who stay there because: the husband makes in excess of $140,000 per year with virtually no commute, and they live in a rent-controlled apartment on the Upper West Side which to which the husband succeeded when his mother passed away. Even now, 20 years later, the rent for the apartment is way less than half the "market" rent.<br />He could not make this kind of money in the suburbs with such a low housing cost. If you want to understand why people live where they live in NYC, you cannot ignore rent control. Although I'll admit, the Dalton School tuition nearly broke them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84668979619725110342009-11-21T16:48:17.149-08:002009-11-21T16:48:17.149-08:00Going slightly O/T.
Just watched a Discovery Chan...Going slightly O/T.<br /><br />Just watched a Discovery Channel show about Bert Rutan/Spaceship One and the run-up to their X Prize success a few years back.<br /><br />Rutan's team - all men, all white. Engineers, pilots, designers, ground crew etc. Not a sign of any of those vital cognative elitist Asians we seemingly can't manage without. Not quite all though - there was one black guy in evidence, part of the fire crew on the ground.<br /><br />Apart from that, the moment isteveoids may have noted was when one of the test pilots got his astronaut wings from an FAA apparatchik. She was a black woman. It was almost a jarring contrast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com