tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3874010269607481945..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Shallow StateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32527332684336796302011-05-06T04:00:27.926-07:002011-05-06T04:00:27.926-07:00Why do these morons running our country feel the n...Why do these morons running our country feel the need to release so much information, but not the one thing that would be most useful?<br /><br />They should have said "we got him in Pakistan, here's the pic" and left it at that.ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39951141846503028862011-05-06T03:53:30.496-07:002011-05-06T03:53:30.496-07:00"I was struck, however, by how Bush Jr., even..."I was struck, however, by how Bush Jr., even if he couldn't remember his name, had such a strong positive opinion on the new dictator of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf. Clearly, he had picked it up somewhere, but where? And why? From reading the newspaper?"<br /><br />The American ruling class has long looked fondly upon third world dictators. They don't need to know anything about a country to want a corrupt dictator to run it because they know dictators will give their corporations resources at criminally low prices. <br /><br />"For better or (mostly) for worse, we live in a society controlled by the media, so those who control the media control the society."<br /><br />Do you think that it's okay for a tiny, hostile, alien elite to control America?ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78115851553002108632011-05-05T09:38:53.113-07:002011-05-05T09:38:53.113-07:00For better or (mostly) for worse, we live in a soc...<i>For better or (mostly) for worse, we live in a society controlled by the media, so those who control the media control the society.</i><br /><br />What's come over you lately? Your comments are all right on the money these days.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35847514856962671432011-05-05T02:21:27.895-07:002011-05-05T02:21:27.895-07:00Felix, I think we would all be surprised at how of...Felix, I think we would all be surprised at how often low IQ people have risen in politics and wielded real power.Wesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20734583750438815932011-05-05T00:53:23.268-07:002011-05-05T00:53:23.268-07:00-airtommy
State of Denial by Bob Woodward, Chapte...-airtommy<br /><br />State of Denial by Bob Woodward, Chapter 1. Bandar was they guy chosen by G.H.W. Bush to brief his son when he was deciding whether to run or not.<br /><br />'I wouldn't be concerned if Saudis influenced our foreign policy, since they are a major ally and business partner'<br /><br />Unfortunately they do influence US foreign policy. 'Ally and business partner'? You mean just like Pakistan's an ally?<br /><br />Israel is top dog in the middle east. They want stability.Cameronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75531936577130164332011-05-04T21:23:23.299-07:002011-05-04T21:23:23.299-07:00No body and no photos because either would clearly...No body and no photos because either would clearly show that the bullet entered Bin Laden's head from above and behind: he was shot execution style.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6428353196678134752011-05-04T20:02:37.991-07:002011-05-04T20:02:37.991-07:00Isn't the existence of US senators with sub 10...Isn't the existence of US senators with sub 1000 SAT scores and "directors of intelligence committees" who don't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites concrete proof that the people truly running the country are not in the spotlight? America has many people of vast wealth and superior intellect, and it's preposterous to believe that those people just sit there and react to decisions made by the second rate, baby-kissing buffoons that are our "elected officials." It's very obvious that real decisions don't get made in the oval office or in congress.Felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11136908200424850553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-379916661482307922011-05-04T19:22:12.345-07:002011-05-04T19:22:12.345-07:00Lol, that 'White House source' is bullshit...Lol, that 'White House source' is bullshit.<br /><br />SEALs don't take orders from the head of the CIA. The only Special Forces teams the head of the agency can issue orders to are the SAD.<br /><br />If he tried to bump Gates off the chain of command, not only would he get no response but he'd be risking capital punishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35372538492714173712011-05-04T17:59:39.322-07:002011-05-04T17:59:39.322-07:00@dearemie,
Israel Shamir states in Counterpunch th...@dearemie,<br />Israel Shamir states in Counterpunch that the US were aware of OBL's whereabouts since 2005, and only killed him now coz. Wikileaks had recently published the data about his courier:<br /><br />http://counterpunch.com/shamir05042011.html<br /><br />Apparently there is also competition between the NYT/Guardian and Wikileaks, with the former using a "stolen" file from Wikileaks.headachenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63402457780000295862011-05-04T17:39:41.704-07:002011-05-04T17:39:41.704-07:00But the Justice Department today filed suit agains...<i>But the Justice Department today filed suit against Deutsche Bank for hundreds of millions of dollars, alleging that the banking giant unfairly stuck taxpayers with the tab for bad home loans it issued.</i> <br /><br />Hmmm, help me out here.<br /><br />Deutsche Bank - sued by Justice.<br /><br />Goldman Sachs - walks away, ah, "Scot" free.<br /><br />Sorry, but I just can't see the pattern.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60034693642913630312011-05-04T17:28:41.562-07:002011-05-04T17:28:41.562-07:00Steve, this doesn't prove the existence of the...Steve, this doesn't prove the existence of the Shallow State.<br /><br />It might show only that the Deep State employs figureheads (airheads).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84247473233799719132011-05-04T17:03:31.140-07:002011-05-04T17:03:31.140-07:00BTW, here's an additional datapoint in support...BTW, here's an additional datapoint in support of my analysis of the relative power of the old Deep State vs. the new...<br /><br />As the four-star hero-general commanding CentCom now moving to CIA, Petraeus has received massive media adulation and is sometimes described (foolishly) as the most important American general since Eisenhower and a possible future presidential candidate. Yet remember at one point last year, he accidentally let slip some phrase about Israeli actions sometimes having some sort of negative impact on our own Mid East problems, and was immediately transformed into a hunted rabbit, desperate to escape. Someone obtained and published on the Internet a fawning email he'd sent to a second-rate fortyish neocon named Max Boot, saying how eager he was to somehow redeem himself, what a close friend he'd always been to Elie Weisel, and how he'd like to arrange a private dinner or something like that. <br /><br />For better or (mostly) for worse, we live in a society controlled by the media, so those who control the media control the society.RKUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81089024547541620632011-05-04T16:50:45.567-07:002011-05-04T16:50:45.567-07:00MG Miles, the link you gave has this quote which s...MG Miles, the link you gave has this quote which shores up the credibility of White House Insider: "...[Jarret has] pissed off the military – oh that’s another story I’ll have to share with you soon. That one is still playing out right before our eyes though, so we gotta let that one turn out first. She’s gonna get burned on that too." Note that it was published on 28 April.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85292321221729702632011-05-04T16:41:52.626-07:002011-05-04T16:41:52.626-07:00RKU
Yes i'd agree with most of that except i ...RKU<br /><br />Yes i'd agree with most of that except i wasn't intending to mean the neocons and CIA-Military are fundamentally at odds with each other. I don't think the CIA-Military lobby were opposed to either Iraq or Afghanistan. I'm saying they've been quietly fighting behind the scenes for the last few years to prevent the neocons starting any new ones until Iraq-Afghanistan are fully over and the military is fully recovered.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-827189915025481432011-05-04T16:40:08.412-07:002011-05-04T16:40:08.412-07:00Off topic/getting back to the real world ...
To d...Off topic/getting back to the real world ...<br /><br /><i>To date, the U.S. government has brought few cases against big Wall Street banks in response to the mortgage crisis that nearly toppled the world's financial system almost three years ago. But the Justice Department today filed suit against Deutsche Bank for hundreds of millions of dollars, alleging that the banking giant unfairly stuck taxpayers with the tab for bad home loans it issued.<br /><br />The complaint, filed in Federal District Court in New York, accused Deutsche Bank of failing to adequately scrutinize potential borrowers, then lying to government officials about its lapses of due diligence.<br /><br />The bank "ignored every type of red flag and breached every duty of due diligence before underwriting thousands of federally insured mortgages," U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara charged in a statement to reporters. "While the homes the defendants issued loans for may have been built on solid ground, the defendants' lending practices were built on quicksand. Ultimately, prudence was trumped by profit, and good faith took a back seat to good fees."</i> <br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110503/bs_yblog_thelookout/government-sues-deutsche-bank-over-bad-home-loans" rel="nofollow">Link</a>Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2932589504795441782011-05-04T15:52:41.343-07:002011-05-04T15:52:41.343-07:00"In May 1975, Cambodian Communists, known as ..."In May 1975, Cambodian Communists, known as the Khmer Rouge, seized an American cargo ship — the <i>Mayaguez</i> — and its thirty-eight American crew members. President [Ford] and his advisers, determined to demonstrate American toughness to both the world and the U.S. public, ordered a commando raid to free the crew. More than forty Americans died in the complicated operation, but the Khmer Rouge released the crew and abandoned the <i>Mayaguez</i> in the middle of the U.S. attack.<br /><br />"Ford and [Secretary of State Henry] Kissinger portrayed the return of ship and crew as a great American military victory, and the American public seemed to agree: Ford's public-approval rating soared eleven points. Looking back on the incident, historian John Robert Greene has raised questions about whether the Ford administration's rescue operation was unduly risky and focused more on punishing the Khmer Rouge than retrieving the American sailors." <a href="http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/ford/essays/biography/5" rel="nofollow">Cite.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12254338917424926722011-05-04T15:49:20.078-07:002011-05-04T15:49:20.078-07:00Re: 'Obama hesitated, Panetta issued order....Re: 'Obama hesitated, Panetta issued order.' <br />For the record, Mr. Panneta's ancestors hail from an extremly pictoresque, yet very old-fashioned part of Italy. This headline pulls the curtain to reveal a completely new angle to a 'Nature versus nurture' debate, so beloved by readers of iSteve.sj071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6588407478638441552011-05-04T15:41:28.072-07:002011-05-04T15:41:28.072-07:00"Why does the story keep changing?"
Beca..."Why does the story keep changing?"<br />Because the first instinct of the American military is to assume that their fellow Americans are largely gullible hicks. <br /><br />Similarly, the story about how the intelligence was gathered is almost certainly a lie - but so it should be; it is the duty of a secret intelligence service to lie in such circumstances.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-92064980636425052752011-05-04T15:07:48.625-07:002011-05-04T15:07:48.625-07:00Wandrin: The thing to understand is the US has a s...Wandrin: <i>The thing to understand is the US has a shallow state (Obama, Bush, Palin, Trump and the rest of the media circus), a proto Deep State (neocons) and a real Deep State that is a legacy of the Cold War...That's the real battle. The new elite have taken over the Shallow State but haven't completely taken over the old Deep State. Hence why the Panetta-Petraeus moves are so important.</i><br /><br />Well, I think that's a crucial aspect of what's going on, but I'd say that despite all the Afghan/Iraq disasters, the new Deep State (unfortunately) still possesses many more levers of power than the remnants of the old Cold War Deep State.<br /><br />That the Iraq War itself. In the run-up, the old Deep State and some of whom I'd regard as its leading figures---Zbig, Zinni, Baker, etc.---did everything to block it, and just got rolled over. Then in late 2006, the Baker Commission, representing the same sort of old elite DC power consensus, said we should pull out immediately, and the neocons crushed them. Just consider of all the top generals and admirals, including in the Obama Administration, who've been fired over the last few years for opposing additional wars and expansions or otherwise running afoul of the neocons. I think the key factor is that the MSM is the most important power-center in today's America, and while the old Deep State is relatively weak there, the new Deep State has a near-stranglehold.<br /><br />Here's an indicator. America's top civilian official for Af-Pak is Marc Grossman, a name *very* familiar to anyone who pays attention to things, and an extreme example of a new Deep State figure. I think if the old Deep State had any real political muscle, he wouldn't be there.RKUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91684177038795279222011-05-04T13:10:47.441-07:002011-05-04T13:10:47.441-07:00If ISI were holding OBL, and AQ kept quiet about i...<i>If ISI were holding OBL, and AQ kept quiet about it so OBL would get his dialysis then most of the US story could be true. The US gradually find out where he's being held and believe it's OBL's compound not the ISI's compound. They raid it and find it's a prison not a hide-out then what?<br /><br />If they come clean that's a major diplomatic incident which they can't afford because they need Pak help over Afghanistan. So they dump his body in the sea and simply cover up the ISI side of it.<br /><br /></i><br /><br /><br />Exactly. <br /><br />Dump this body in the sea means no autopsy to find out that Osama Bin Laden was getting kidney dialaysis and other medical treatment from Pakistan..<br /><br />Saying we put Osama in the sea to "respect Islam" is just so much ridiculous BS. Saying Osama was armed one day, then now saying he was unarmed, is very suspect too. There was a concerted effort to make sure Bin Laden didn't talk and we didn't see the body.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34850042194640298462011-05-04T12:59:28.797-07:002011-05-04T12:59:28.797-07:00"Yeah, Lee."
What a smartass."Yeah, Lee."<br /><br />What a smartass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65056235193798739642011-05-04T12:51:16.898-07:002011-05-04T12:51:16.898-07:00This guy claims to have a source in the WH who ess...<i>This guy claims to have a source in the WH who essentially confirms the deep state theory:<br /><a href="http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/" rel="nofollow">Obama hesitated, Panetta issued order</a></i><br /><br />This was disturbing reading. If it's true--and doesn't it harmonize well with that 'War Room' photo?--this must have been leaked by someone very, very high up indeed. Internal coup? Are there precedents?<br /><br />Anon 4:17, that site also published <a href="http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/white-house-insider-obamas-west-wing-civil-war/" rel="nofollow">this</a> last week ('Obama's West Wing Civil War'), which I hadn't seen, and, wow. <i>If</i> true--and ring true it does--I shamefacedly admit I had not imagined it was this bad up at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51553416921500163842011-05-04T12:46:00.568-07:002011-05-04T12:46:00.568-07:00The Indians reportedly told the U.S twice Bin Lade...The Indians reportedly told the U.S twice Bin Laden was around Islamabad.<br /><br />http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-had-twice-told-US-about-Osamas-likely-presence-close-to-Islamabad/articleshow/8156230.cmsTinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06744296507176750198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44172974393174570562011-05-04T12:30:59.463-07:002011-05-04T12:30:59.463-07:00If ISI were holding OBL, and AQ kept quiet about i...If ISI were holding OBL, and AQ kept quiet about it so OBL would get his dialysis then most of the US story could be true. The US gradually find out where he's being held and believe it's OBL's compound not the ISI's compound. They raid it and find it's a prison not a hide-out then what?<br /><br />If they come clean that's a major diplomatic incident which they can't afford because they need Pak help over Afghanistan. So they dump his body in the sea and simply cover up the ISI side of it.<br /><br />The thing to understand is the US has a shallow state (Obama, Bush, Palin, Trump and the rest of the media circus), a proto Deep State (neocons) and a real Deep State that is a legacy of the Cold War.<br /><br />The CIA-military Deep State REALLY don't want another war as they want the military to have a long, long spell of R&R to make up for being ground down so hard by Iraq and Afghanistan. The neocons don't care about that and want to attack everybody all the time so they keep trying to stir trouble.<br /><br />That's the real battle. The new elite have taken over the Shallow State but haven't completely taken over the old Deep State. Hence why the Panetta-Petraeus moves are so important.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60768092452772314282011-05-04T12:02:46.045-07:002011-05-04T12:02:46.045-07:00The link about Obama dithering and Panetta and Cli...The link about Obama dithering and Panetta and Clinton taking over is interesting, and revealing if true. But that would not be a "deep state."<br /><br />A deep state requires real power to exist in "hidden" institutions, that acts to protect itself to the detriment of the people / outward institutions. And is moreover partly hereditary. That's a fantasy borne out of the X-Files or Hollywood (akin to the Magical Black person of infinite wisdom or Black tech genius).<br /><br />Power is NEVER hidden, power has to be flaunted to get money, sex, and deference. Osama bin Laden did not pretend to be the innocuous gardener at the estate, he was the big man.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.com