tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4108070220626303902..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Obama's 2001 "redistribution of wealth" radio interviewUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20133136622674525732008-10-29T23:39:00.000-07:002008-10-29T23:39:00.000-07:00david ceausescuport:DooDooMan, you are an enemy of...david ceausescuport:<BR/><BR/><I>DooDooMan, you are an enemy of Christian patriotic America.</I><BR/><BR/>Christian patriotic America is a contradiction in terms. America was never a Christian nation, only a nation where people of every faith have the freedom to practice it.<BR/><BR/><I>... porn ... drugs ... abortion ... Doodooman's agenda</I><BR/><BR/>Freedom ... responsibility ...<BR/><BR/>I can understand the opposition to abortion - but I must be too stupid and/or autistic to see how people don't have the right to do with their <B>own</B> bodies, minds, souls, and lives as they please. And accept the consequences. If you have so little intelligence and self-control that you need to have a moral dictator telling you what not to read, eat, or drink, that's your right. Mine is to be free. If society is so fragile that it can be destroyed by individual lifestyles, then it deserves destruction.<BR/><BR/>Imagine! A teenager smoking pot or reading Playboy is somehow a worse menace to society than one who bullies other teenagers, robs convenience stores, vandalizes school or mall property. I guess anything is possible in Ceausescu-port's world.<BR/><BR/>Brother's keeper ... another word for communism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54198931714144528802008-10-29T16:10:00.000-07:002008-10-29T16:10:00.000-07:00I think Obama is a typical center-left liberal pol...I think Obama is a typical center-left liberal politician. His experiences, associations and comments in his early career are mostly a reflection of the working as a community organizer in the poor south-side of Chicago. <BR/><BR/>Your comments on wealth redistribution are way skewed. A better discussion can be found at these links.<BR/>http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_10_26-2008_11_01.shtml#1225104785<BR/>http://www.slate.com/id/2203237/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13462383727915524732008-10-29T12:50:00.000-07:002008-10-29T12:50:00.000-07:00WRONG. The Constitution is a document of positive...WRONG. The Constitution is a document of positive rights - <I>the government's positive</I> rights. Anything and everything it doesn't say is reserved to the people and/or the states.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84849079506093714502008-10-29T08:59:00.000-07:002008-10-29T08:59:00.000-07:00And I'm sure if John McCain's preferred charity we...<I>And I'm sure if John McCain's preferred charity were the United White Way, neither you nor the "mainstream" press would have any problem with that.</I><BR/><BR/>Charities for minorities like blacks wouldn't exist if there were economic and social equality. Now, this may be a chimerical goal; but even if it is, there remains an essential difference between charities targeted at advancing minorities who achieve below the mean. The former serves the goal (achievable or not) of equality and the latter serves the goal of racialism.<BR/><BR/><I>Precisely how much proof do we need? His radio interviews. His books. His votes in the IL legislature and the US Senate. His associations with the New Party, William Ayers, BernardineDohrn, and Jeremiah Wright? His genetic connection to his leftist black father, his leftist white mother, and his leftist white grandmother? His ties to ACORN?</I><BR/><BR/>These connections can be broken down into 3 categories:<BR/><BR/>1) The irrelevant. E.g Ayers. As your logic would have it, the Republican bankers who worked on Annenberg are tainted by radical liberalism.<BR/><BR/>2) Guilt by association. E.g. Obama's mother was a leftist. So?<BR/><BR/>3) Reverend Wright. This connection deserves serious discussion. I've already stated my view on it-- that Obama was a member of that church for identity reasons not because of a deep belief in Afrocentric liberation theology. I think Steve's narrative, and what I've read elsewhere support this. I'd like to hear why not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79386780156919116912008-10-28T22:24:00.000-07:002008-10-28T22:24:00.000-07:00Ut, oh! The United Negro College Fund! Wow, his he...<I>Ut, oh! The United Negro College Fund! Wow, his heart must reeeeeaaly be in the wrong place if he's donating to a mainstream charity aimed at helping poor blacks get into college!</I><BR/><BR/>And I'm sure if John McCain's preferred charity were the United White Way, neither you nor the "mainstream" press would have any problem with that.<BR/><BR/><I>I'm still awaiting any serious evidence that his philosophy is far-left. Perhaps an explanation of how the Obama quotes provided by Steve are supposedly far-left?</I><BR/><BR/>Precisely how much proof do we need? His radio interviews. His books. His votes in the IL legislature and the US Senate. His associations with the New Party, William Ayers, BernardineDohrn, and Jeremiah Wright? His genetic connection to his leftist black father, his leftist white mother, and his leftist white grandmother? His ties to ACORN?<BR/><BR/>What, what, what will be enough to prove that he is a radical extrems leftist?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90893493502498821992008-10-28T20:32:00.000-07:002008-10-28T20:32:00.000-07:00DooDooMan, you are an enemy of Christian patriotic...DooDooMan, you are an enemy of Christian patriotic America.<BR/><BR/><I>Hitting enemies. Let's hope this means the real enemies of America, and not the populist Right's usual paranoid fantasy villains (ie. Harry Potter) and usual scapegoats (ie. porn, drugs, abortion).</I><BR/><BR/>... porn ... drugs ... abortion ...<BR/><BR/>= Doodooman's agendaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27292956234414756442008-10-28T10:08:00.000-07:002008-10-28T10:08:00.000-07:00"Welfare is leftist policyDefinitely not far-left ..."Welfare is leftist policy<BR/><BR/>Definitely not far-left though. John McCain has supported several welfare programs." - ben g<BR/><BR/>You're right. McCain is a mainstream leftist rather than an extreme leftist. We can call him a social democratic hawk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83621958356813309522008-10-28T07:49:00.000-07:002008-10-28T07:49:00.000-07:00"On a more serious note, his interest in that chur..."On a more serious note, his interest in that church was due to his identity issues, not to his deep belief in radical Afrocentric liberation theology."<BR/><BR/>Since it seems that some of our commentators can read Obama's mind, we should have no trouble figuring out what he'll do if he becomes President.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34380145395227236882008-10-28T07:42:00.000-07:002008-10-28T07:42:00.000-07:00"Born Again Democrat said...but assuming it could ..."Born Again Democrat said...<BR/><BR/>but assuming it could be done in a democratic way, what is your position and why? Please leave out the racial issue."<BR/><BR/>Allow me to paraphrase your request:<BR/><BR/>Discuss the orbits of the planets. Please leave out the gravity issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82073579791854304562008-10-28T07:02:00.000-07:002008-10-28T07:02:00.000-07:00Limited, constitutionallist government is a dead d...Limited, constitutionallist government is a dead dog, so I suggest you get over it and deal with reality.<BR/><BR/>You have two options:<BR/><BR/>A) Rightwing socialism<BR/>B) Leftwin socialism<BR/><BR/>I know which one I'm going with. There ain't no other path at this point in history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45800085664393336382008-10-28T03:53:00.000-07:002008-10-28T03:53:00.000-07:00It's the usual with Obama -- you have to read it v...<I>It's the usual with Obama -- you have to read it very closely to see where he's coming from (i.e., deep left field).</I><BR/><BR/>I think by "you have to read it very closely" you mean "you have to squint and make a bunch of uncharitable assumptions."Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46317503894935793712008-10-27T23:54:00.000-07:002008-10-27T23:54:00.000-07:00ben g, the idea that the already highly disproport...ben g, the idea that the already highly disproportionate income tax rates on wealthy and moderately wealthy people should be increased so that that money can be given to poor people simply because it would be "fair" reeks of socialism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14778163934028877132008-10-27T22:55:00.000-07:002008-10-27T22:55:00.000-07:00Welfare is leftist policyDefinitely not far-left t...<I>Welfare is leftist policy</I><BR/><BR/>Definitely not far-left though. John McCain has <A HREF="http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm" REL="nofollow">supported several welfare programs</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87415153608057983302008-10-27T22:51:00.000-07:002008-10-27T22:51:00.000-07:00they are intended explicitly for the purpose of re...<I>they are intended explicitly for the purpose of redistributing wealth to blacks, even if by necessity some also happens to get redistributed to poor whites and Hispanics. I don't think this is even in doubt - a look at his church of choice, as well as his other pet philanthropy, the United Negro College Fund, shows where his heart is.</I><BR/><BR/>Ut, oh! The United Negro College Fund! Wow, his heart must reeeeeaaly be in the wrong place if he's donating to a mainstream charity aimed at helping poor blacks get into college!<BR/><BR/>On a more serious note, his interest in that church was due to his identity issues, not to his deep belief in radical Afrocentric liberation theology. <BR/><BR/><I>The "far left field" description is not of his campaign's stated platform, but of his actual philosophy and possible intent.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm still awaiting any serious evidence that his philosophy is far-left. Perhaps an explanation of how the Obama quotes provided by Steve are supposedly far-left?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17443741666608752612008-10-27T22:46:00.000-07:002008-10-27T22:46:00.000-07:00Just like the mortgage crisis -- Bush was afraid p...<I>Just like the mortgage crisis -- Bush was afraid people would cry "racist" and so backed off, just as people fear doing something now, with casualties, and hope that cities will never die. Because it will always be 1978.</I><BR/><BR/>You give Bush too much credit. He really believed in his schtick and would probably be one of the ones crying "racist."Glaivesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867323638154972101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91328835172758603172008-10-27T22:36:00.000-07:002008-10-27T22:36:00.000-07:00"steve supports a national healthcare system. this..."steve supports a national healthcare system. this is a form of redistribution of wealth from the (disproportionately white) rich to the (disproportionately black) poor. is he too in "far left field"?<BR/><BR/>obama's proposed welfare policies are color blind, typical center-left policies aimed at reducing inequality. how is this "far left field"? someone care to explain?"<BR/><BR/>Policies "aimed at reducing inequality" are generally means-tested entitlements which tax the upper and middle classes and give to the poor. A national health care system, though it is totally unconstitutional under the 10th Amendment, would tax the upper and middle classes and give to everyone. (A state health care system is never mentioned, probably for a policy to be allowable under the constitution isn't really considered much of of a bonus any more.) Welfare is leftist policy; social insurance is centrist policy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9016806665560839892008-10-27T22:22:00.000-07:002008-10-27T22:22:00.000-07:00testing99:Obama is quite likely to over-reach, and...testing99:<BR/><I>Obama is quite likely to over-reach, and propose reparations in light of a sweeping victory, providing a new Republican populist Congress, one more Palin than McCain or Bush. And yes it WILL be pro-Israel, pro-America, pro-killing terrorists and pre-emptive in hitting enemies wherever and whenever.</I><BR/><BR/>Hitting enemies. Let's hope this means the <I>real</I> enemies of America, and not the populist Right's usual paranoid fantasy villains (ie. Harry Potter) and usual scapegoats (ie. porn, drugs, abortion).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70929437074255708982008-10-27T22:17:00.000-07:002008-10-27T22:17:00.000-07:00Why is everybody taking Obama at his word here re:...Why is everybody taking Obama at his word here re: a tax increase for people making over $250,000 and a tax cut for everybody else? It's not like he would be the first politician to lie about taxes.<BR/><BR/>It looks like it will only be possible to keep his promise if he's <A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/09/AR2008080901860_pf.html" REL="nofollow">as fiscally irresponsible as Bush</A>. At some point - maybe during Obama's administration, maybe not, but someday - foreigners will stop subsidizing our debt. <BR/><BR/>What then? Will Obama or his successor take away the health care entitlement and tax credits for the lower 75%? Will he soak his rich friends? Will he go after the middle class?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52642066689165944692008-10-27T21:21:00.000-07:002008-10-27T21:21:00.000-07:00FDR passed every plank in Norm Thomas's socialist ...FDR passed every plank in Norm Thomas's socialist platform except a tax on net assets -- which Norm Thomas called a "Wealth Tax" as did the soon-to-be assassinated presidential candidate Huey Long. FDR did, however, pass a tax on <I>income</I> which he <I>called</I> a "Wealth Tax". Nowadays we have Warren Buffett and Barack Obama pulling another FDR-type fraud.<BR/><BR/>The reason we will never have a true wealth tax is that it is too close to genuine "economic justice" wherein a use fee on property rights replaces taxes on economic activity as the source of government revenue. It starts clarifying and genuinely simplifying the relationship between the public and private sectors.<BR/><BR/>Moreover, a genuinely fair system of government funding dispersal is blind to the recipient's status except insofar as the recipient is an adult citizen. This "citizen's dividend" avoids the moral hazard and public sector rent seeking that results in political pathology. But, again, the very fairness of such a "citizen's dividend" is the reason it will never be passed.Jim Boweryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686155123469135528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21120151510489778802008-10-27T21:13:00.000-07:002008-10-27T21:13:00.000-07:00I think there was a tendency to lose track of the ...<I>I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change and in some ways we still suffer from that.</I><BR/><BR/>What's he promising here? Africa, here. With the singular difference that the US, unlike Africa, hasn't run out of Europeans and Asians to suck dry.<BR/><BR/><I>obama's proposed welfare policies are color blind, typical center-left policies aimed at reducing inequality. how is this "far left field"? someone care to explain?</I><BR/><BR/>Because they are intended explicitly for the purpose of redistributing wealth to blacks, even if by necessity some also happens to get redistributed to poor whites and Hispanics. I don't think this is even in doubt - a look at his church of choice, as well as his other pet philanthropy, the United Negro College Fund, shows where his heart is.<BR/><BR/>What a bummer that Obama seems to have missed that the "old" welfare system was exactly that - a system almost perfectly designed for blacks. Sure, we'll give you a welfare check - if you don't have a husband around. Sure, we'll let you live in public housing filled with lots of blacks. Because how many whites would want to live in such?<BR/><BR/>And if those programs - lifetime welfare checks, food stamps, medicaid, and public housing - weren't enough for Obama, what is?<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure I want to know. I'm also quite certain we're about to find out.<BR/><BR/><I>My hope is we get a Clintonesqe gays in the military moment right away and he has to govern on the defensive from the start. Good luck on that though.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, we <I>will</I> get that moment. What's the use of having such immense power, including overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate, if you're not inclined to use it?<BR/><BR/>My guess though is that 1) it will come <I>after</I> they pass socialized medicine, which will be the first thing on their agenda; and 2) this time while the right wing talks shows (if they haven't been banned) are up in arms, the MSM will do as it has done during the election: "President Obama declared today that the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments no longer exist. Right wing extremists through a fit. Ho hum. Now for the latest news from American Idol..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39432924135430460982008-10-27T21:12:00.001-07:002008-10-27T21:12:00.001-07:00"yes, it helps blacks, because black are more..."yes, it helps blacks, because black are more often poor than whites."<BR/><BR/>There are a whole lot more white people making <250k than black. Again, the hand-ringing here is reactionary and laughably silly.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35333790364484827322008-10-27T21:12:00.000-07:002008-10-27T21:12:00.000-07:00Actually DaveG, Obama is for trans-national elites...Actually DaveG, Obama is for trans-national elites (who are the ones funding him) and there won't be much if any money at all going to Blacks.<BR/><BR/>Moreover, what has done in the Republican Party is:<BR/><BR/>1. Trans-national elites who loathe Americanism and populism and have pushed trans-national agendas, specifically bowing to the commands of the Gulf oil and Iranian money-centers.<BR/><BR/>2. Rise of single women, as the swing vote, and the decline of marriage. Making a good portion of the White population allied to hard-left policies and explicitly allied against working/middle class White males.<BR/><BR/>3. The media providing overt Worship of Obama as the avatar of trans-national multiculturalism.<BR/><BR/>The GWB coalition has not fallen apart, nor have people embraced: defeatism, begging terrorists to be nice to us, unilateral disarmament, an extended world apology tour for America's existence.<BR/><BR/>There are simply fewer of the coalition as there are more single women. And Obama mouths centrist platitudes with the Media covering for him.<BR/><BR/>Fact: Pakistan has 100+ nukes, it is according to the leaked NIE falling apart and AQ/Taliban control is probable. Along with Iran, that means America will in the words of Sowell, live in fear, for a very long time, until a fairly nasty war kills millions.<BR/><BR/>That's the continuation of kick-the-can down the road with Clinton-Bush on North Korea, Iran, and Pakistan (went nuclear in 98, after the CIA predicted two years prior it would take twenty years).<BR/><BR/>Just like the mortgage crisis -- Bush was afraid people would cry "racist" and so backed off, just as people fear doing something now, with casualties, and hope that cities will never die. Because it will always be 1978.<BR/><BR/>It's quite likely a populist backlash against Obama's "model" according to the WindsofChange.net post by David Blue, is in the offing. Trans-national elites can always funnel more money than local populists, and rely on the media to fly air-cover so to speak. But grass-roots organizing, with explicit wedge identity politics, particularly in a downturn that lasts years, is a proven way to succeed: Italy's Lega Nord - Berlusconi alliance and Austria's rightists.<BR/><BR/>FDR after all excluded Blacks from labor unions along with the AFL, and required citizenship for New Deal programs along with massive deportation sweeps.<BR/><BR/>Steve is entirely correct -- there is not enough money to make a "deal" go down for "redistribution" or reparations, particularly in a global recession, and that is the weakness of the trans-national elites globally.<BR/><BR/>Obama is quite likely to over-reach, and propose reparations in light of a sweeping victory, providing a new Republican populist Congress, one more Palin than McCain or Bush. And yes it WILL be pro-Israel, pro-America, pro-killing terrorists and pre-emptive in hitting enemies wherever and whenever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30331838253143913892008-10-27T21:00:00.000-07:002008-10-27T21:00:00.000-07:00Ben G,The "far left field" description is not of h...Ben G,<BR/><BR/>The "far left field" description is not of his campaign's stated platform, but of his actual philosophy and possible intent.<BR/><BR/>After all, Bush was Captain No-Nation-Building during his campaign. That turned out not to reflect the real Bush so well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2220426453587202092008-10-27T20:42:00.001-07:002008-10-27T20:42:00.001-07:00"obama's proposed welfare policies are color blind..."obama's proposed welfare policies are color blind, typical center-left policies aimed at reducing inequality. how is this "far left field"? someone care to explain?"<BR/><BR/>I remember once there was an implosion of our economy that led to a worldwide malaise caused by a center-Left, color-blind program, which had the wonderful affect of helping minorities, at least in the short run. It had something to do homeownership and funny enough, it affected everyone: working poor, working class, middle, upper, and rich...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56848842090568351212008-10-27T20:42:00.000-07:002008-10-27T20:42:00.000-07:00The problem is that the Democratic Party is the pa...The problem is that the Democratic Party is the party of the rich. Go to opensecrets.org and see how wealthy people are lining up to donate to the Obama.<BR/><BR/>Or, cross-reference city-data.org zip codes with opensecrets.org database. You will see all of the wealthy areas that are donating to Obama.<BR/><BR/>It simply ludicrous to believe that Obama will tax those making over 250k per year...those are the people funding his campaign.<BR/><BR/>What Obama guarantees is taking money from the working-to-middle class and giving it to blacks.<BR/><BR/>His goal is not to impose communism. He just wants to liquidate the kulaks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com