tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4145827900370509151..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: PISA scores: 2 Indian states flopUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger145125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39370349056701799582016-12-29T09:20:59.004-08:002016-12-29T09:20:59.004-08:00IQ in Uttar Pradesh:-
Study 1 (rural):
http://ww...IQ in Uttar Pradesh:-<br /><br />Study 1 (rural):<br /><br />http://www.jcdr.net/article_fulltext.asp?issn=0973-709x&year=2015&month=November&volume=9&issue=11&page=ZC10&id=6726<br /><br />IQ of 110 in village Tiwariganj, Lucknow and 85–92 in village, Unnao district of UP.<br /><br />85-92 is in high fluoride region.<br /><br />Study 2(urban):<br /><br />http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/44025<br /><br />IQ of Muslims in Aligarh city, Uttar Pradesh (Average IQ of 107)<br /><br />Source: “Badaruddoza. Inbreeding effects on metrical phenotypes among North Indian Children. Collegicum Antropologicum 28(Suppl. 2): 311-318. (ISSN No. 0350-6134.”<br /><br /><br /><br />------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />IQ of Gujarat rural:-<br /><br />http://fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/trivedi-20124.pdf<br /><br />http://www.fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/trivedi-2007.pdf<br /><br />IQ in 6 villages of Gujarat is 97 (optimum environment) and 92 (un-optimum conditions).<br /><br />IQ of villages near Ahmedabad is 104.<br /><br />------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />IQ in Maharashtra (Pune):-<br /><br />http://www.indianpediatrics.net/feb2004/feb-121-128.htm<br /><br />86.1 for low birth weight, 92.1 for medium birth weight and 97.2 for normal birth weight.<br /><br />https://www.indianpediatrics.net/july1999/july-669-676.htm<br /><br />IQ of control group was 101.38. And LBW was 94.<br /><br />------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Madhya Pradesh (rural):-<br /><br />http://www.ruralneuropractice.com/article.asp?issn=0976-3147&year=2012&volume=3&issue=2&spage=144&epage=149&aulast=Saxena<br /><br />IQ of villages near Bhopal is 98.5.<br /><br />IQ of remaining 3 high fluoride villages in Madhya Pradesh is 83.6, 87 and 91.6.<br /><br />------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Rajasthan (rural):-<br /><br />http://fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/singh-2013.pdf<br /><br />IQ of villages near Jaipur is 93.31 and near Dausa is 84.48.<br /><br />Study 2 (Lynn's sample, Agartala and Sinha 1984):-<br /><br />http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01068128<br /><br />IQ of Muslims in government schools near Jaipur is 81 (non-inbred).<br /><br />Lynn cited this as average IQ of 78. A combination of inbred and outbred Muslims.<br />Muslims not practicing inbreeding show 81 IQ.<br /><br />Both these samples, one fluoride sample and another government school sample are done on identical population with similar economic status.<br />It serves as a clear proof that from 1984 to 2013, average IQ in Rajasthan has increased by 8 points.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06966326557265397021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25303109676786564412016-12-29T08:12:06.223-08:002016-12-29T08:12:06.223-08:00IQ samples on India:-
IQ of Chennai, Tamil Nadu:-...IQ samples on India:-<br /><br />IQ of Chennai, Tamil Nadu:-<br /><br />Study 1:-<br /><br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3018494/<br /><br />IQ of 107 as a community sample. 4 zones in Chennai and 12 schools were selected randomly. Sample size of 717. 606 children belonged to families with less than 6500 INR monthly income. And 130 had illiterate mothers. If anything, the selection bias towards socio-economic status is downward.<br /><br />Study 2:-<br /><br />http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/oeh.2005.11.2.138<br /><br />IQ of children was found to be 102. And 95 for those having high lead in blood level.<br />--------------------------------------------<br />IQ in Chandigarh, Punjab:-<br /><br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3767262/<br /><br />Average IQ is 99. 5 private schools and 5 government schools were randomly selected out of 37 schools. And sample size is 2400.<br /><br />----------------------------------------------------<br />IQ in 2 rural and 2 urban areas of Punjab:-<br /><br />http://www.ijres.org/papers/Volume%204/v4-i7/Version-2/G4724854.pdf<br /><br />IQ in 2 rural areas is 96.2, 90.4. And 2 urban areas is 102, 106. IQ grades are available (0 to 10th percentile, etc.) and online statistical tool is required to read.<br /><br />Rural areas are in Dera Bassi and Tehsil Kharar. Urban areas is in Fatehgarh Saheb. And Tehsil Kharar.<br /><br />----------------------------------------------------<br />IQ of Delhi:-<br /><br />Study 1:-<br />http://heapol.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/4/420.full.pdf+html<br /><br />IQ of kids of slum dwellers in New Delhi living in plot area is 92.4. And shanty houses/homeless is 89.4.<br /><br />IQ of kids who have attended schools is 96.7 (plot area) and 93.2 (shady houses)<br /><br />Study 2:-<br /><br />http://fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/Kundu-2015.pdf<br /><br />IQ of 76.2 in Najafgarh (rural area of Delhi) and 85.2 in Defense Colony (slightly urban area). Government school were selected in both areas.<br /><br />76 IQ in high fluoride region and has to be taken with precaution.<br /><br />Study 3:-<br /><br />Cited by Lynn:-<br /><br />https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/lynn-race-differences-in-intelligence.pdf<br /><br />Page 60:-<br />Row 3 gives an IQ of 93 for 14-year-old students at St. Xavier's School in Delhi.<br /><br />Study 4:-<br /><br />http://www.ruralneuropractice.com/article.asp?issn=0976-3147&year=2016&volume=7&issue=2&spage=238&epage=243&aulast=Ranjan<br /><br />In the above IQ sample, average full scale IQ was found to be 90.6.<br /><br />However 36/50 were from rural areas and 14/50 from urban areas.<br /><br />TBC in next commentsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06966326557265397021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84977275472885236612012-01-16T01:21:22.783-08:002012-01-16T01:21:22.783-08:00http://www.indianexpress.com/news/poor-pisa-ranks-...http://www.indianexpress.com/news/poor-pisa-ranks-hrd-seeks-reason/896777/2<br /><br />Late coverage by the Indian press seems to indicate that private schools were included.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66552008155395249392011-12-28T14:12:20.586-08:002011-12-28T14:12:20.586-08:00If you grew up surrounded by intellectual inferior...<i>If you grew up surrounded by intellectual inferiors you'd be pretty misanthropic, too.</i><br /><br />I'd be willing to bet at least a small sum that the typical Good Will Hunting is not a misanthrop.<br /><br /><i>"Chinese and South East Asian groups is about 16-22 times as close as South East Asian groups and Papuans"<br /><br />I highly doubt this.</i><br /><br />What are you doubting? That Chinese and South East Asian groups are closer than SE Asians and Papuans? That the distance between Chinese and SE Asians is a 20th that than between SE Asians and Papuans?<br /><br />The former is obviously insane. How anyone could think Thais and Mongolians look more dissimilar than Thais and Papuans is basically beyond me. Or even that there's any comparison.<br /><br />The latter may be open to debate but seems basically plausible to me. Chinese and Thais basically don't look particularly more dissimilar than Europeans and Iraqis.<br /><br /><i>The other mistake they tend to make is picking Chinese in the deep south as being representative of China.</i><br /><br />In the sample I cited, the Chinese were Beijing Chinese.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72370499900989138622011-12-22T23:54:02.946-08:002011-12-22T23:54:02.946-08:00I'd probably substitute "much less aggres...<i>I'd probably substitute "much less aggressive" for "antisocial, misanthropic, low self esteem and obedient", but I don't think this comparison is necessarily incorrect.</i><br /><br />If you grew up surrounded by intellectual inferiors you'd be pretty misanthropic, too. <br /><br /><i>I think it is basically obsolete. The number of markers in that study was very limited. Based on the FST table I posted a link to, based on a larger base of sequencing, relatedness between Chinese and South East Asian groups is about 16-22 times as close as South East Asian groups and Papuans</i><br /><br />I highly doubt this. All of the studies I've seen that show such results use unrepresentative samples. Keep in mind that many of these SE Asian nations have literally seen thousands of years of Sino-Tibetan migration. Even now 5-15% of their population outright declares Chinese ancestry despite centuries of pogroms and envy-motivated violence directed against the Chinese for their hard work and tight spending.<br /><br />The other mistake they tend to make is picking Chinese in the deep south as being representative of China.<br /><br />I'm shocked (not really) that whites are so terrified of examining the 'classic' Southerners (Zhejiang, Shanghai, Jiangsu, etc) and the North Chinese.<br /><br />Shanghai's PISA is certainly not exceptional for the "core" of China and they did this well with 1/20th the spending of Euros and Americans/Australians.<br /><br />Likewise, the fact that diabetes, short stature, and the stereotypical withdrawn nature are completely absent in the North Chinese - with no concomitant decrease in IQ - seems to rankle whites immensely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40867499946183622982011-12-20T18:46:37.418-08:002011-12-20T18:46:37.418-08:00Sikhs and especially Hindus were vastly underrepre...Sikhs and especially Hindus were vastly underrepresented as rioters. Compared to whites, they were less likely to be arrested. Pakistanis and Bangaldeshis were slightly underrepresented in comparison to whites. <br /><br />Black Carribeans, Africans, and Middle Eastern Muslims were all vastly overrepresented. <br /><br />Which is reality. Something some here are not acquainted with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86397745273428584042011-12-20T06:14:55.310-08:002011-12-20T06:14:55.310-08:00Please post this comment:
We Hindus may have Low ...Please post this comment:<br /><br />We Hindus may have Low IQ: but we also have less Blood on our Hands.<br /><br />On Judgment Day: I pray to GOD, NOT to forgive us for our low IQAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24473163132142918532011-12-20T04:37:39.811-08:002011-12-20T04:37:39.811-08:00Utterly idiotic to use asian % for england to do t...Utterly idiotic to use asian % for england to do the riot figures when over 2/3rd of riots were in London, where 13% are asian.<br /><br />The next greatest center was Manchester where Asians = 6.5%, so not under/over represented.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-775679556498147342011-12-20T01:39:43.546-08:002011-12-20T01:39:43.546-08:00The Indian savings rate is 35% of Income and even ...<i>The Indian savings rate is 35% of Income and even lower class Indians are very thrifty.</i><br /><br />Indians seem like the most anti-Keynesian people on earth (perhaps to use a slightly ill fitting understanding of the economic bottom line).<br /><br />The whole concept of not making every transaction fraught with time wasting haggling and paying people a decent wage to incentivize them to continue with their job and not to reduce them to penury seems basically absent from the Indian approach to money.<br /><br /><i>Indian slum dwellers dont mug visitors</i><br /><br />Yeah, I hear they try to pickpocket and bagsnatch and also try to con them instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52324109338818686662011-12-20T01:34:58.636-08:002011-12-20T01:34:58.636-08:00Catperson:
"though this research might be o...Catperson: <br /><br /><i>"though this research might be obsolete."</i><br /><br /><i>"I always thought of southeast Asians as a hybrid between Mongoloids and some australoid like people, much like some Indians are thought to be a mix of Caucasoid and australoids. Humans took the coastal route to Australia so a lot of australoid genes were left along the way."</i><br /><br />I think it is basically obsolete. The number of markers in that study was very limited. Based on the FST table I posted a link to, based on a larger base of sequencing, relatedness between Chinese and South East Asian groups is about 16-22 times as close as South East Asian groups and Papuans, and 12-14 times closer than between Chinese and Europeans. <br /><br />Crucially the South East Asians in the sample are at best only slightly more related to Papuans than mainland East Asians are.<br /><br />There may be some part left of an ancestral South East Asian (Australoid) population prior to a Mongoloid expansion left in the genome of South East Asians, but if so it's barely sufficient to cause the level of differentiation that exists between French and Armenians or French and Georgians.<br /><br />So not quite like Indians who seem to have quite a substantial contribution from the preceeding population and are least 5 times as distant from Europeans as South East Asians are from Chinese. If we're using Indians as the baseline, South East Asians would be comparable to Europeans with one Indian grandparent.<br /><br />(Also, by the way, the idea of a Middle East-South Asian relatedness cluster, often also seen in Lynn, is incorrect. By relatedness, the clustering order for European to cluster with Middle Easterners before either of them do with South Asians).<br /><br />Treating Southeast Asians as part of a genetic cluster with the Oceanian populations isn't really defensible any more, and I'm not sure it ever was, at least for the mainland poor performers and likely Malays and Indonesians with similar IQ and performance are not too different.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79795958992266480442011-12-19T20:37:35.555-08:002011-12-19T20:37:35.555-08:00Indians despite their lower than white IQ, have a ...Indians despite their lower than white IQ, have a lot of delayed time reward behaviors, more commonly associated with higher IQ, The Indian savings rate is 35% of Income and even lower class Indians are very thrifty.<br /><br />So you have a society with low violent crime ( Indian slum dwellers dont mug visitors ), low illegitimacy, and a high savings rate. That makes it easy to economically perform at a rate more typical of higher IQ societies.<br /><br />35% savings rate guarantees 7 - 8% economic growth raterec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63883445682462795662011-12-19T20:28:33.780-08:002011-12-19T20:28:33.780-08:00California, Santa Clara County, Silicon valley, 7t...California, Santa Clara County, Silicon valley, 7th grade STARS scores<br /><br />http://star.cde.ca.gov/star2011/SearchPanel.aspx?lstTestYear=2011&lstTestType=C&lstCounty=43&lstDistrict=&lstSchool=&lstGroup=5&lstSubGroup=1<br /><br />--<br />2nd generation , after regression to mean<br /><br />Black = English 357, Math 337<br />White = English 402, Math 396<br />Korean = English 422, Math 438<br />Indian = English 434, Math 448<br />Chinese = English 439. Math 457rec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49212850617384817452011-12-19T19:47:00.110-08:002011-12-19T19:47:00.110-08:00Marutius is over 1/4 black , 2/3 Indian, and 5 per...Marutius is over 1/4 black , 2/3 Indian, and 5 percent white/Asian. Its PISA scores put its mean IQ at 90. With better nutrition and environment, plausibly the mean IQ could rise slightly. That would probably put the mean IQ of Indians in the low/mid 90s range.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3772433931915299692011-12-19T19:43:00.728-08:002011-12-19T19:43:00.728-08:00British Hindus, Sikhs, and even Muslims were under...British Hindus, Sikhs, and even Muslims were underrepresented in the riots. Even less represented than whites. Hindus were almost invisibly. Check out the numbers below.<br /><br /><i><b>The government has estimated that 46 percent of the arrested rioters were black, 42 percent were white, and 7 percent were "Asian" (ie Indian/Pakistani/Muslim).<br /><br />Using the census data on the ethnic makeup of the impacted riot areas and weighting those areas by the number arrested, blacks seem to have been arrested at 6-6.5x the white rate. Asians were arrested at about 0.85x the white rate. One downside to using the government data, with respect to Asians, is that it doesn't differentiate between Middle Easterners (Arabs, Persians, Afghans, Turks) and South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankan Tamils). <br /><br />I found a separate list of the names of the arrested rioters. <br /><br />Looking through the names, I found that slightly under half of the Asian rioters were of Middle Easterners of non-South Asian origin (Morrocan, Egyptian, Arab, Persian, Turk). That's quite an overrepresentation when you consider that their numbers aren't especially large in the UK. Adjusting for their representation in the local population and making some reasonable estimates, it seems they were arrested at about 6x the white rate. This is a conservative estimate and the actual representation could be even higher. <br />For South Asians, I calculated estimates for three groups - Indian Hindus, Indian Sikhs, and South Asian Muslims (mainly Pakistani, some Bangladeshi, few Indian). Indian Hindus were arrested at 1/7th the white rate, Indian Sikhs were arrested at 1/2 the white rate, and South Asian Muslims were arrested at 0.8x the white rate. <br /><br />Another source claims that the top nationalities of arrested rioters were Jamaicans, Somalis, and Poles. <br /><br />None of these numbers are adjusted for age. The average rioter was 22 years of age and ethnic minorities tend to be younger than white British, so factor that in when looking at arrest rates.</b></i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39705554492381619712011-12-19T16:26:33.540-08:002011-12-19T16:26:33.540-08:00Why is it that people in these countries perform s...<i>Why is it that people in these countries perform so mediocrely? Shouldn't the cold winters+Mongol heritage indicate high IQ's? Does it suggest that education and nutrition, in many countries, could be exerting as great an effect as genetics on PISA scores?</i><br /><br />I believe these places are Islamic. Perhaps Islam inhibits development of cognitive ability.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9640014226127785532011-12-19T15:23:03.836-08:002011-12-19T15:23:03.836-08:00However, Southern Chinese (Cantonese, Fujianese, H...<i>However, Southern Chinese (Cantonese, Fujianese, Hokkien, Taiwanese) are, genetically, far more similar to Filipinos and Thais than they are to Koreans or Japanese.</i><br /><br />Annoyingly, I don't know if I've ever seen this quantified.<br /><br />However, in the HGDP data, the Northern Han sample seems to have the same FST with the Southern Chinese Dai sample (apparently closely related to the Thais) as they do with the Japanese in this FST table from a very recent paper - http://www.cell.com/AJHG/supplemental/S0002-9297(11)00488-5. And about the same as they do with the Mongol sample. And the relatedness of the Northern Chinese to the somewhat Indian mixed Cambodians is only very slightly lower. So I would not be surprised.<br /><br />Incidentally this relatedness between Chinese and Southeast Asians is similar to Europeans and West Asian people, more or less. So in terms of relatedness the analogy between Chinese and Southeast Asians and Europeans and West Asians holds (if not historically).<br /><br />Contrary to Lynn's weird attempts to bin Southeast Asians as closer to Papuans and Australians in order to justify a scheme in which low Southeast Asian achievement is somehow kept outside the East Asian grouping.<br /><br />Big differences in achievement along small geographic boundaries are interesting.<br /><br />One thing I specifically find interesting about the low achievement of Kazakhs and Mongols is that Asian achievement in maths and science is often attributed to their visual spatial IQ. Yet Mongols at least have higher raw visual-spatial scores than Chinese, but it doesn't seem likely to me that if there were 4,000,000 Mongol Americans that they'd achieve like the 4,000,000 Chinese Americans in this domain (it would be cool if they did, because the Mongols seem like a cool people, unlike the Chinese, and easier to be happy for).Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18421037314943767422011-12-19T15:20:53.539-08:002011-12-19T15:20:53.539-08:00In their level of education. Going by IQ data the ...<i>In their level of education. Going by IQ data the Germans may have a small native smarts advantage over the rest of northern Europe, I don't think Finns or Scandinavians do.</i><br /><br />When it comes to wordsum, German Americans seem to have the lowest IQ amongst White ethnics in the USA according to this data. <br /><br />http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2007/08/immigrants-from-all-over-world-beat.html<br /><br />Austrian 106.5<br />English 103.9<br />Danish 103.7<br />Yugoslav 103.1<br />Greek 101.3<br />German 100<br /><br />I thought that was interesting given the German reputation in Europe.<br /><br />But thinking about it, British (English surnamed at least) and Scando-Americans do seem like the most accomplished groups given their numbers, compared to the Chinese, so maybe the smart Germans stayed home (although I'm guessing the effect would be cultural rather than genetic)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46645610504519498062011-12-19T13:35:26.110-08:002011-12-19T13:35:26.110-08:00Why is it that people in these countries perform s...<i>Why is it that people in these countries perform so mediocrely? Shouldn't the cold winters+Mongol heritage indicate high IQ's? Does it suggest that education and nutrition, in many countries, could be exerting as great an effect as genetics on PISA scores? Afghanistan and Tajikistan are hellishly cold countries, but I don't see any smart Tajiks and Afghans?</i><br /><br /><br />According to Richard Lynn, there are two main factors that influence the evolution of IQ. One is climate, but the other is population size. A small population placed in a cold climate will be rigorously selected for IQ, but natural selection will have less genetic variation to select from. So they might be only as smart as a big population in a warm environment. Those who have both a big population and a cold climate (east Asians) will have both the genetic variety and the tough selection to evolve to the highest level.<br /><br />An interesting example are arctic people. They are in a cold climate and you can tell they've been rigorously selected for IQ because their brains are so big. But because population is small, they were never lucky enough to produce other advantageous neurological mutations, so all natal selection could was make their brains bigger, but since there's more to intelligence than just brain size, there were limits to how smart they could get (and brain size can only improve so much before child birth becomes <br />impossible)<br /><br />Of course this is just a theory and could be that arctic people are potentially brilliant, but are being suppressed by malnutrition, (fetal) alcoholism or culturally biased testing.Catpersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40889067959209380612011-12-19T09:54:48.596-08:002011-12-19T09:54:48.596-08:00It's not uncommon to see people who are geneti...<i>It's not uncommon to see people who are genetically similar diverge so far in test scores. Albania, Moldova, and Bosnia would probably bomb the test, despite the fact that they're lilly-White, and probably genetically similar to most White Europeans?</i><br /><br />* Polynesians arising from Indonesians<br /><br />* Tamil Brahims arising out of India<br /><br />* Ashkenazim arising from Mizrahiyim <br /><br />* Parsis arising from Persians<br /><br />The first two (Polynesians and Tamil Brahims) probably represent the farthest physical and intellectual divergences from their origin population.<br /><br />Polynesians are the most overrepresented ethnic subgroup per capita in professional American football. The Indonesian national soccer team, arguably the most popular sport there, is ranked 144 of all 204 teams tracked by FIFA.<br /><br />I've seen a national IQ of India around 77-81 while Tamil Brahim are probably similar to other high-IQ groups like Northern Europeans and the Ashkenazim resulting in an amazing 2-3SD higher IQ than their average fellow countrymen.<br /><br />It would be interesting to see other marked HBD divergences between subgruops arising from a larger population.Don't Watson me Bronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29295774881911241102011-12-19T09:17:54.787-08:002011-12-19T09:17:54.787-08:00"I mean come on, everyone knows if you are no..."I mean come on, everyone knows if you are not a recent Nigerian immigrant, the chance that you win the sexiest and most talented Mr Ireland or Mr Norwegian of the Year is surely close to nil."<br /><br />You would score about a 3 on the PISA.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84350608908856122452011-12-19T06:19:43.011-08:002011-12-19T06:19:43.011-08:00So what are you saying? That we should end H1B vis...<i>So what are you saying? That we should end H1B visas so American programmers don't have to compete with highish IQ immigrants (many of whom are smart despite malnutrition)? By insisting only Americans should get these jobs you are advocating affirmative action for Americans.... </i><br /><br />No, he's opposing affirmative action for foreigners at the expense of native Americans. When the government allows H-1B's into the country, that is affirmative action.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91076501634133601002011-12-19T06:04:00.805-08:002011-12-19T06:04:00.805-08:00The numbers from the Telegraph are for arrest reco...The numbers from the Telegraph are for arrest records nationally, not in Birmingham.<br /><br />Here are the national arrest averages for the recent riots across the UK (in about 57 cities):<br /><br />Arrests:<br />46% black<br />42% white<br />7% South Asian<br /><br />Now, here's the breakdown of the population:<br /><br />93% white<br />2-3% black<br />2-3% South Asian<br /><br />As you can see, whites are extremely underrepresented, and South Asians are extremely over-represented, and blacks even more over-represented than South Asians.<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8846043/Rioters-were-poorer-younger-and-less-educated-than-average.html<br /><br /><br />As others here have pointed out, Indians in the UK aren't very much different from black people in IQ and behavior. Just Google "Hindu rap" or "Indian rap."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85420957349228375372011-12-19T05:10:40.089-08:002011-12-19T05:10:40.089-08:00Albanians are not lilly white.
Moldovans though a...Albanians are not lilly white.<br /><br />Moldovans though are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64508232528582866612011-12-19T05:03:13.122-08:002011-12-19T05:03:13.122-08:00I am very familiar with India. India has only prog...I am very familiar with India. India has only progressed from the majority being illiterate just 40 years ago to a majority barely literate now. Similarly, India has only progressed from substantial-periodic-starvation to fairly-widespread-malnutrition-short-of-starvation now. <br /><br />In that environment, tests of achievement on a large scale mean very little. If you actually visit the public (i.e government) schools in India, as I have done extensively, you will know what I am talking about. Any education that happens in these places is purely incidental.It would be highly doubtful if most *teachers* in those schools can demonstrate proficiency in any of these tests.<br /><br />A more accurate measurement would be to take a randomly selected assortment of kids, put them on a nutritional *and* educational special program for a year, and then test them. <br /><br />My hypothesis is that you would find the average IQ to be about 90-95 in a state like Tamil Nadu. Nothing that 3 decades of Flynn Effect couldn't fix. Of course it is only a hypothesis (an informed one, not just random) and unless the experiment is performed, I couldn't be sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15641361858104374462011-12-19T04:34:48.379-08:002011-12-19T04:34:48.379-08:00Children in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and possibly Guangd...Children in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and possibly Guangdong ace these tests (and probably have high IQ's). Based on my Kyrgyzstan comment: Richard Lynn attributes a poor IQ score to Southeast Asian nations (Thailand-91, Indonesia-87, Malays-88, Vietnamese-low 90's, etc.), and test scores broadly show this pattern. However, Southern Chinese (Cantonese, Fujianese, Hokkien, Taiwanese) are, genetically, far more similar to Filipinos and Thais than they are to Koreans or Japanese. Does this also indicate that cultural factors, nutrition, and love of education can be as important in developing capital as genetic factors? <br /><br />It's not uncommon to see people who are genetically similar diverge so far in test scores. Albania, Moldova, and Bosnia would probably bomb the test, despite the fact that they're lilly-White, and probably genetically similar to most White Europeans?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com