tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4249530457658684570..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Hereditary Privilege through Rights and ComplexityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16373917021930424322010-07-07T16:16:19.435-07:002010-07-07T16:16:19.435-07:00>The complaint is NOT that the state is taking ...>The complaint is NOT that the state is taking things that belong to us and giving them to others with lower IQs. The complaint is that the state is taking things that belong to us and giving them to others, period.<<br /><br />Yes, but it's particularly socially destructive to steal the things created by and belonging to higher-IQ people and give them to lower-IQ people.<br /><br />Also this problem is more prevalent than is its reverse. Few higher-IQ people are taking at gunpoint the riches of stupid people. Stupid people don't create many riches. (I do not define laborers as stupid.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38573907029380595642010-07-05T07:18:37.802-07:002010-07-05T07:18:37.802-07:00"White identity politics is often NOT correla..."White identity politics is often NOT correlated with interventionist foreign policy."<br /><br />The country has been in touch with it's "white identity" until recently, yet the foreign wars have always been contested mostly with white people. Why is that then?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22607912930029132052010-07-03T10:43:59.608-07:002010-07-03T10:43:59.608-07:00Yes, it is, according to Sailer, highly heritable;...<i>Yes, it is, according to Sailer, highly heritable; half from one's mother and father and half from the "mean" of one's cast.<br /></i><br /><br />Mind sharing where he made that exact claim? Because I don't remember that post.Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77535233157767478162010-07-03T10:39:07.590-07:002010-07-03T10:39:07.590-07:00The current system’s implied filtering based on pa...The current system’s implied filtering based on parental engagement is slightly reminiscent of how the Victorian/Edwardian British upper class was concerned with the breeding/family background of their kids’ prospective spouses (individual merit alone would not suffice).<br /><br />E.g. in The Importance of Being Earnest, Aunt Agatha did not want her daughter to marry a guy who was found in a handbag. <br /><br />Elsewhere in this general region of the blogosphere, I’ve read that the best predictor of smart offspring are 4 smart grandparents, and that high-IQ outliers in lower-IQ families often end up with mean-reverting offspring. <br /><br />If this is the case, then a parental filtering system is (presumably unconsciously) about the emphasis on genetics/biology/long-term evolutionary improvement that the HBD blogosphere supports when it comes to other applications.Escapisthttp://escapistart.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/room-at-the-top-how-fiscal-conservativeslibertariansthe-right-can-win/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63689426818602373392010-07-03T06:56:20.567-07:002010-07-03T06:56:20.567-07:00"and they're stupid because they're p..."and they're stupid because they're parents are stupid."<br /><br />lol@truth<br /><br />lolol<br /><br />Grammarfail!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59335063456737832692010-07-03T00:26:58.046-07:002010-07-03T00:26:58.046-07:00"This country has been completely stolen from..."This country has been completely stolen from right out under our noses.If I hear about diversity one more time at work, I am going to puke."<br /><br />That's not exactly true, Sport: Actually, it wasn't stolen, you gave it away. With your voting for puppets, your joining the consumer culture, your "killing the ragheads overthere, so we won't have to fight them over here!", your buying bullshit you didn't need on credit, your addiction to cheap, stupid entertainment, fattening dumbing foods, getting your head-lies from the evening news, and allowing yourself to be indoctrinated into your own life as a pathetic spectator, YOU got the country you asked for.<br /><br />Enjoy.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8965961172930251742010-07-02T21:53:26.427-07:002010-07-02T21:53:26.427-07:00Steve, students who get fee waivers get free Stude...Steve, students who get fee waivers get free Student Answer Service (the returned test) and quite a few other goodies. So there's not that much privilege.<br /><br />I work a lot with the wealthy and the low income on test score analysis, and there's not a huge difference in what they have available to them.Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79697244901931708592010-07-02T20:08:19.975-07:002010-07-02T20:08:19.975-07:00"For one damn good reason: the state caused t..."For one damn good reason: the state caused their failure by imposing no-fault divorce, by outlawing discouragement of bastardy [Gomez v. Perez, 409 U.S. 535, 538 (1978); Mills v. Habluetzel, 456 U.S. 91 (1982)], by forcing them to choose to (a) go to school and live in neighborhoods with blacks or (b) move to a place where they face poor job prospects or a long commute, by taxing the hell out of them, by subjecting them to competition from immigrant labor, by requiring employers to discriminate against them, by requiring universities to discriminate against them, by prohibiting schools from exposing them to constructive religious principles [School Dist. of Abington Tp. v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963)], etc., etc., ad infinitum."<br /><br />Excellent post. As someone who grew up in a all white area. I mean all white. I am seeing that prospects of being a minority in my own country and even town. My kids,if I have any, will have to go to school most likely with a bunch of illegal immigrants, Indians and blacks which is not the country I grew up in,while the elite ,who lecture us about 'racism', are nicely insulated from it all. This country has been completely stolen from right out under our noses.If I hear about diversity one more time at work, I am going to puke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30299586604839256892010-07-02T17:53:53.077-07:002010-07-02T17:53:53.077-07:00I think that the wealthier, college-educated paren...I think that the wealthier, college-educated parents are the only ones who get much out of the "counselors" that most public schools have. My school had several full-time counselors for a school with 750 students, and NEVER had any sort of assembly for parents or students to explain the pro and cons of early admissions, re-taking the SAT, etc. These people COULD be helping the children of non-college graduates get into an appropriate college with appropriate financial aid, but they don't. Most of the good information that I got about college came from elder siblings. My oldest brother did NOT have anyone to guide him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79167059464595333052010-07-02T17:30:26.279-07:002010-07-02T17:30:26.279-07:00(1) allocation on strictly racial grounds. The fin...<i>(1) allocation on strictly racial grounds. The fine folks who are white separatists wish for a state in which 100% of the prestige positions are allocated to whites.</i><br /><br />I see what you did there.<br /><br />A white sepratist state would be all white, therefore 100% of the prestige positions would be allocated to whites. As would 100% of low status positions.<br /><br />If you are implying a white overlord class reserving prestige positions to themselves leaving the crud for everyone else, you are not talking about a white sepratist state are you.<br /><br />Why would an all white state not operate a meritocratic system?<br /><br />Your implication is that a truly meritocratic system would have no borders, open to all. Well the US is a bit like that but it also has AA thus destroying its meritocratic credentials.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87826896291687577582010-07-02T16:25:32.501-07:002010-07-02T16:25:32.501-07:00That is to say, life is a team sport.That is to say, life is a team sport.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90719869675018108052010-07-02T16:25:32.502-07:002010-07-02T16:25:32.502-07:00for a person who claims to believe in individual r...<i>for a person who claims to believe in individual responsibility you seem to forget about it pretty conveniently.</i><br /><br />Is that a claim Steve makes? It would seem a bit inconsistent with the claim that it matters who your relatives are.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13725251513224560032010-07-02T15:43:54.680-07:002010-07-02T15:43:54.680-07:00In the South, the ACT is the standard test...
Not...<i>In the South, the ACT is the standard test...</i><br /><br />Not true. It's the standard test in a couple Gulf Coast states, but no one takes it in Georgia or the Carolinas or Virginia.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32160755526559905852010-07-02T15:39:36.520-07:002010-07-02T15:39:36.520-07:00steve, why should broken lower middle class famili...<i>steve, why should broken lower middle class families get a free pass? ... why should the state subsidize their failure as human beings?</i><br /><br />For one damn good reason: the state <b>caused</b> their failure by imposing no-fault divorce, by outlawing discouragement of bastardy [Gomez v. Perez, 409 U.S. 535, 538 (1978); Mills v. Habluetzel, 456 U.S. 91 (1982)], by forcing them to choose to (a) go to school and live in neighborhoods with blacks or (b) move to a place where they face poor job prospects or a long commute, by taxing the hell out of them, by subjecting them to competition from immigrant labor, by requiring employers to discriminate against them, by requiring universities to discriminate against them, by prohibiting schools from exposing them to constructive religious principles [School Dist. of Abington Tp. v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963)], etc., etc., ad infinitum.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67678574381451221532010-07-02T15:33:20.685-07:002010-07-02T15:33:20.685-07:00"You fellows didn't score too well in the..."You fellows didn't score too well in the Science section, did you?"<br /><br />Haha. No, not comparatively.BamaGirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49650350844470750142010-07-02T15:28:05.217-07:002010-07-02T15:28:05.217-07:00"Also, this is a patently absurd statement. S..."Also, this is a patently absurd statement. Steve realizes, as I'm sure even you're capable of understanding, that while intelligence is highly heritable,"<br /><br />Yes, it is, according to Sailer, highly heritable; half from one's mother and father and half from the "mean" of one's cast.<br /><br />"the IQ of one's parents isn't perfectly predictive."<br /><br />Certainly not, if it were, you geniuses would have to admit that a politician with two Ivy league PHD parents was a genius, which many of you seem to have a hard time doing.<br /><br />"There are indeed many poor 95-105 IQ parents with bright kid. How many?"<br /><br />Define "many". <br /><br />Again IQ = roughly 1/4 mother's, 1/4 fathers, 1/2 mean. Therefore, and average white kid with and average white mean and average white parents is probably going to be average. If he is not, according to your own psudeoscience, he will distinguish himself in life anyway with or without mentorship because "the cream rises...and just as there is nothing that can be done to help ghetto children succeed, there is nothing that can force brilliant white kids not to.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89420686529961840602010-07-02T15:28:05.218-07:002010-07-02T15:28:05.218-07:00Bill is right. I had a crappy broken home, a lous...Bill is right. I had a crappy broken home, a lousy school, and mediocre grades, but a 1410 on the old-style SAT still got me into UC Berkeley and onto the meritocratic ladder. But a lot of subtle barriers have been thrown up to keep out bright kids from lousy backgrounds who aren't from designated minority groups.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31689462429311570532010-07-02T15:24:40.370-07:002010-07-02T15:24:40.370-07:00The single group most negatively affected by affir...<i>The single group most negatively affected by affirmative action reverse descrimination, are the children of lower class Whites.</i><br /><br />Once again this is asserted without any evidence or argument in support. Discrimination reduces elite whites' share of matriculants in the Ivy League by 60%.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58202909916063788632010-07-02T15:04:57.192-07:002010-07-02T15:04:57.192-07:00By "complexity", do you mean intellectua...By "complexity", do you mean intellectual complexity, that comes with high technology, or do you mean social complexity?<br /><br />That latter creates only a byzantine morass of contradictory social rules. This of course favors "socially skilled non autistic" liars, hypocrites, and psychopaths.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83757232045741729992010-07-02T14:59:49.187-07:002010-07-02T14:59:49.187-07:00"Of course now I've become a deracinated ..."Of course now I've become a deracinated upper-middle class liberal with a lot more in common with my Jewish and Asian nerd coworkers than the rednecks I grew up with."<br /><br />You are exactly the type of white that needs to get re-racinated. Ideally, you could embrace the better things about our culture and leave the trash behind. Sounds like you already have, in a way. But you do not need to let your Jewish or Asian co-workers guilt you about anything. <br /><br />As the demographics in this country change, and as women realize what a scam feminism was you will by default embrace your race. Just like me. <br /><br />Because races exist - they are complex, organic systems that function at times as a single sentient being, for all intents and purposes.<br /><br />This is why I think the present birth rate catastrophe for whites will eventually correct - despite the seeming overwhelming forces opposing it. <br /><br />I posted earlier about "hard to estimate the number of talented.."Francois Le Moynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12422949102099675892010-07-02T12:58:31.313-07:002010-07-02T12:58:31.313-07:00If all the smart children graduate from college we...If all the smart children graduate from college were will the great auto-mechanics, plumbers, carpenters etc. come from? Some professions are not very net production i.g. lawyers. And BTW high school drop outs can still make millions here.JWOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00004178958481335795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75071147800972862382010-07-02T12:34:39.981-07:002010-07-02T12:34:39.981-07:00OTOH, even poor Americans have color TVs and cell ...OTOH, even poor Americans have color TVs and cell phones. And free everything from gubment.sdfasdfasdfasdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72557662449056480542010-07-02T11:13:02.000-07:002010-07-02T11:13:02.000-07:00An Anonymous said . . .
"Poor white kids are ...An Anonymous said . . .<br /><i>"Poor white kids are not responsible for their lame-ass parents."<br /><br />I'm not sure the state can do anything to replace what those kids, an interested, caring intact family as their audience.</i><br /><br />Think about the way the U of California system used to work, say in the 70s. You took the SAT, which was, at that time, an IQ test. If you scored high enough, then you got into Berkeley (more or less). You went to Berkeley for free, and if you were poor, you got grants and work study to cover living expenses.<br /><br />It is really different today. You take the SAT, which is no longer an IQ test but a game-able mess. But the SAT does not count for all that much. High school grades count for a lot, and those are driven by the quality of your parents---if they don't crack the whip, your grades are not that good. Plus AP classes---same story. Application essays (edited by your parents) count for more than before. Then, if you get in, there is high tuition, which your parents pay for if you have rich parents. If not, there is the hideously complicated financial aid form which you (and your parents!) have to fill out.<br /><br />The IQ meritocracy which the SAT brought in from the 50s to the 80s is being disassembled. The big winners of the disassembly are dummies with rich or attentive parents. The big losers are smart kids with crappy parents. You can think this is good or bad, but this is what is happening.<br /><br />There is no perfect method for skimming off highly talented children of loser parents, but the current system of post-secondary education is getting steadily worse at it. This is Steve's point, I think.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58585056365567116842010-07-02T11:06:32.903-07:002010-07-02T11:06:32.903-07:00Totally anecdotal, but I grew up in a broken home ...Totally anecdotal, but I grew up in a broken home (divorced mom with series of sketchy boyfriends) and went to a high school of rural, working-class whites that had a 25-30 percent dropout rate. I got decent grades and a really high SAT score but didn't realize I needed to take the Achievement tests as well, so I skipped them. I only got into the UC system because some people in the admissions office saw my scores as well as my background and cut me a break. <br />Of course now I've become a deracinated upper-middle class liberal with a lot more in common with my Jewish and Asian nerd coworkers than the rednecks I grew up with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38725638039260168262010-07-02T10:17:01.212-07:002010-07-02T10:17:01.212-07:00"America doesn't have as much social clas..."America doesn't have as much social class mobility as we might think. People who do well now generally have kids who do pretty well."<br /><br />This sounds like you are bemoaning the lack of <i>downward</i> social mobility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com