tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4421790180338775816..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Why didn't bin Laden have a gun?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38465184441217328822011-05-05T11:20:07.586-07:002011-05-05T11:20:07.586-07:00"The Seals are very well-disciplined, and wou...<i>"The Seals are very well-disciplined, and would only have executed an unarmed target if that had been their explicit order."<br /><br />What constitutes "unarmed" when you're dealing with a suicide terrorist? In Israel, the way they detonate their bombs is by raising their arms - which usually indicates a surrender. I think the SEALS probably had little choice but to shot first and ask questions later.</i><br /><br />Osama was not a suicide terrorist (or else he was very bad at it). He was primarily a propagandist and secondarily a terrorist think thank leader. <br /><br />Bereft of financial resources, sickly, isolated and cut off from the world save for very infrequent 17th century human foot courriers - Osama was not much of a threat to anyone. Note that it took years tracking one of his trusted courriers to locate this place.<br /><br />What makes no sense is that this "Osama safehouse" had virtually no security, guards, weapons, escape tunnel, suicide pills, etc. This safehouse was nothing like Osama's safehouse discovered in the mountains which had an escape tunnel big enough for a car.<br /><br />What would make sense would that the place would be that there would be panic rooms, escape tunnels and the place wired with explosives and booby traps for just such an attack. Not to mention more than a few armed guards with RPGs and automatic weapons.Better Homes and Garden's Safehousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24587681571752983522011-05-05T09:54:02.308-07:002011-05-05T09:54:02.308-07:00"Foresight Gaga said...
This is too bad. He ..."Foresight Gaga said...<br /><br />This is too bad. He could have gone for a Tony Montana exit."<br /><br />Instead all he got was the Frank Lopez exit.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43198957426020874222011-05-04T21:06:01.355-07:002011-05-04T21:06:01.355-07:00"The Seals are very well-disciplined, and wou..."The Seals are very well-disciplined, and would only have executed an unarmed target if that had been their explicit order."<br /><br />What constitutes "unarmed" when you're dealing with a suicide terrorist? In Israel, the way they detonate their bombs is by raising their arms - which usually indicates a surrender. I think the SEALS probably had little choice but to shot first and ask questions later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23402206887765317962011-05-04T20:49:39.407-07:002011-05-04T20:49:39.407-07:00"No phone, no internet. What does he do all d..."No phone, no internet. What does he do all day?"<br /><br />He had four wives. <br /><br /><br />Great. Just shoot me.<br /> <br />Wait.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56625898283110214672011-05-04T19:45:43.463-07:002011-05-04T19:45:43.463-07:00This is too bad. He could have gone for a Tony Mon...This is too bad. He could have gone for a Tony Montana exit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29716716554335603772011-05-04T17:06:58.299-07:002011-05-04T17:06:58.299-07:00I'll see your "where's the gun?"...I'll see your "where's the gun?" and raise you a "where's the bullion?".<br />Following the new Trump Doctrine: you go in, you get the oil. In this case gold ingots would be more likely since Usama would have 'deliquified' his assets around 9/11 when bank accounts became unavailable to him.<br />Now we hear that he had 500 Euro running away money 'sewn into his clothes'. Hilarious. <br />If this was some bigass drug dealer the cops had nailed, tossed his place and come back to the station with 700 bucks, the IA would be on the case.<br />Glibert Pinfold (...the real one)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82420497962176386592011-05-04T14:34:05.278-07:002011-05-04T14:34:05.278-07:00There may be parallels with how US troops allegedl...There may be parallels with how US troops allegedly discovered Saddam Hussein asleep (or drugged?) in a so-called spider hole in Iraq in 2003. Saddam was known for having been well-dressed and well-groomed (and he was, even in prison up to his execution), but at the time of his capture, he looked like vagrant with a long, unkempt beard. There were reports that he had been put in that spider hole by Kurdish guerillas and left there to be picked up by US forces. <br /><br /> Likewise, well-known gun fetishist Bin Laden turns out to be unarmed when he is attacked by US SEALs. So maybe he was not hidden "from" the Americans in the Abbottabad compound, but rather "for" the Americans, at least when it became convenient to declare the war on terror over and withdraw from Afghanistan. <br /><br /> If the Pakistan-stabbed-us-in-the-back meme spirals out of control in the US, Pakistan will either have to play terminally stupid or tell the full and likely quite convoluted story of why Bin Laden was not caught back in 2001 when US special forces were reported to have him surrounded in the Tora Bora mountains. <br /><br /> Larry M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80793659832163241752011-05-04T13:55:22.013-07:002011-05-04T13:55:22.013-07:00Both. The Pakistani government needed to keep him ...Both. The Pakistani government needed to keep him alive to keep the bucks rolling in from Uncle Sucker.spacehabitatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01540280499274649411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25179538680061039622011-05-04T13:32:22.155-07:002011-05-04T13:32:22.155-07:00The claimed fear that land burial of Osama might l...The claimed fear that land burial of Osama might lead to the site becoming a 'shrine' appeals to a basic lack of understanding of Wahhabism - the sect of Islam to which Osama was adherent. Wahhabis are always buried in unmarked graves. They believe even tombstones to be idolatrous. <br /><br />The Wahhabist movement in Saudi Arabia has, on such grounds, pulled down shrines and monuments left by the pre-Saudi Hashemite and Turkish rulers, who were Sunni but not Wahhabi. The Taliban used the same grounds for destroying the ancient statues of Buddha at Bamiyan. It strains credulity to suppose that militant Wahhabis like those in charge of al Qaeda would erect a shrine to anyone, even Osama.<br /><br />Are we to suppose no one in the U.S. government knows these facts about Wahhabism, which anyone can find in an encyclopedia article about it?<br /><br />This shrine business is a non-explanatory excuse for a hasty and opaque action that we can be reasonably sure had different motivations and objectives.Crawfurdmuirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54642234025066639592011-05-04T13:19:11.575-07:002011-05-04T13:19:11.575-07:00""No phone, no internet. What does he do...""No phone, no internet. What does he do all day?"<br /><br />He had four wives."<br /><br />The guy was being nagged in quadraphonic. Clearly, he was better off dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5310245837559874032011-05-04T12:53:29.204-07:002011-05-04T12:53:29.204-07:00"No phone, no internet. What does he do all d...<i>"No phone, no internet. What does he do all day?"</i><br /><br />He had four wives.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37471921729329821352011-05-04T11:15:12.851-07:002011-05-04T11:15:12.851-07:00"Jeff Burton said...
Intriguing possibility...."Jeff Burton said...<br /><br />Intriguing possibility. A couple of points in contradiction to a few commenters here: it takes ten seconds of googling to find pictures of Bin Laden holding guns. He was no Gandhi. Second, he explicitly stated in one of his tapes that he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, "to die in the belly of the eagle.""<br /><br />Ten seconds of googling will also display pictures of any number of nitwit Hollywood pacifists, who barely know which end of the gun to hold, holding guns. It's called acting - a necessary component of leading men. And sure he may have said he'd like to go out in a blaze of glory - who wouldn't? Who ever says "I want to die of an aneurism while sitting on the toilet working a Sudoku puzzle". All his bravado aside, in the end, he's just a groggy middle-aged man sitting on the edge of a bed in his night-shirt.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13420075850080207672011-05-04T10:53:18.387-07:002011-05-04T10:53:18.387-07:00Stuck in the house all day and night for years wit...Stuck in the house all day and night for years with no internet?<br />I`d want someone to shoot me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37935602557553193352011-05-04T10:52:11.747-07:002011-05-04T10:52:11.747-07:00Obviously Osama was killed and his body quickly di...Obviously Osama was killed and his body quickly disposed of to cover up a few inconvenient truths, but it seems to me that they are pretty obvious ones. What was the secret that Osama could not be allowed to reveal if he were put on trial? The Saudi role in 9/11 of course. What is the secret that his autopsy would reveal? The fact that he looked like a walking cadaver and was functioning on 10% of one kidney. The Pakistanis were not only protecting him, they were keeping him alive by regular dialysis treatments. I don't see anything too sinister in any of this. We can't admit that the Saudis are our enemies unless we are prepared to invade their country and take over the oil production ourselves, and we can't admit that the Pakistanis are our enemies as long as we want to use their country as a base for our operations in Afghanistan. It is hypocrisy but not a conspiracy waged by the State Department against ourselves. We are probably also sympathetic to the notion that the Pakistanis have to maintain some sort of secret relationship with the Taliban while we are occupying their country. It is their only hope of keeping the country together after we leave. We are not going to be able to defeat the Taliban before pulling out and the Pakis are going to have to deal with the mess we leave behind. So it is hypocrisy all around and everyone playing a double game. I have to agree with Steve that the British were better at this sort of thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68318630647948540122011-05-04T10:51:00.259-07:002011-05-04T10:51:00.259-07:00Elements within the ISI lending logistical support...Elements within the ISI lending logistical support to the 911 operation leads directly to a 'Man in the Iron Mask' scenario.C. Van Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09918883799053031223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29471415181600110552011-05-04T10:29:24.456-07:002011-05-04T10:29:24.456-07:00"Surely demonstrating and openly admitting th..."Surely demonstrating and openly admitting that you're a bunch of ignorant, excitable, group-thinking damn fools is the most subtle move of all...."<br /><br />...And then, of course, the administration, realizing their mistake, immediately brought the troops home...<br /><br />With a compliant MSM, it doesn't matter how stupid the original story is, when the truth becomes overwhelmingly apparent you just admit your mistake and keep going ("my bad"). The point is it fooled enough people long enough to achieve their initial goal of regime change. Same with the financial collapse: admit "mistakes were made" (and billions of course) and move on to the next short term opportunity. As exampled by outsourcing and mass immigration our elites are thinking NOW not tommorow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41435679295582847142011-05-04T10:25:44.843-07:002011-05-04T10:25:44.843-07:00That would also explained why World's Most Wan...<i>That would also explained why World's Most Wanted Terrorist didn't try to run away when military chopper crashed into his garden in the middle of the night.<br /><br />"Why didn't bin Laden have a gun?" Great interview question.</i> <br /><br />Or "Why didn't he have a tunnel which led out back and which would have allowed him to escape down the street?"<br /><br />Everyone knows that all the best criminal lairs have tunnels -<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /><SPOILER ALERT><br /> <br /> <br /> <br />- even that little shack which Sondra Locke called home, in <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076070/" rel="nofollow">The Gauntlet</a>, had a secret passage in the bathroom which emptied into a storm runoff drain and which allowed them to sneak out under the road to safety.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81390761254102888432011-05-04T09:52:47.593-07:002011-05-04T09:52:47.593-07:00maybe OBL died of kidney failure and the operation...maybe OBL died of kidney failure and the operation was staged to get some propaganda value for Obummer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77413746771828934442011-05-04T09:19:48.158-07:002011-05-04T09:19:48.158-07:00"Truth said...
Because he died over a decade..."Truth said...<br /><br />Because he died over a decade ago, and the rigor mortis makes it difficult to hold one."<br /><br />Dayum! It be da CIA. Bix Nood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78897247478597019322011-05-04T09:16:57.092-07:002011-05-04T09:16:57.092-07:00"As it turns out, the CIA knew OBL's wher..."As it turns out, the CIA knew OBL's whereabouts since last March, maybe earlier, but Obama refused to proceed unless there was a guarantee that white men with high ASVAB scores would be put in extreme harm's way."<br /><br />Oh Christ. This site has gone full retard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58261522561138959542011-05-04T08:56:27.302-07:002011-05-04T08:56:27.302-07:00Let's say for sake of argument that I keep a l...Let's say for sake of argument that I keep a loaded Sig Sauer in .40 S&W by my bedside. So if a Navy Seal team blows open my front door with a flash bang in the middle of the night, I will be able to jump up and meet them in my pajamas with my gun blazing?<br /><br />Sure.<br /><br />AlbertosaurusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34561881409367657192011-05-04T08:45:30.444-07:002011-05-04T08:45:30.444-07:00Maybe bin Laden was just that confident in the goo...Maybe bin Laden was just that confident in the goodwill of his hosts, that he didn't feel the need to have arms close at hand at all times. Yet more evidence that the Pakistanis lied to us.Georgia Residentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80694536015308236582011-05-04T08:22:55.298-07:002011-05-04T08:22:55.298-07:00A BBC interview with a Pakistani former mucky muck...A BBC interview with a Pakistani former mucky muck last night said that Osama was not even able to stand up. The Paki guy did not say when he had last heard or seen of Obama, but in the context of the interview it was "not recently". The interviewee was a former Paki government official living in the UK it seemed.<br /><br />Also, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_and_audio_recordings_of_Osama_bin_Laden#January_21.2C_2011" rel="nofollow">Osama's last video</a> with contemporary topical content was released 7 years ago in Oct 29th, 2004 when he suddenly claimed responsibility for 9/11 in contrast to his earlier video denials. <br /><br />The timing of this video clearly boosted Bush's 2004 re-election bid four days later on Nov 2, 2004. After this point, Obama had served his purpose for our WoT and his continued existence was less desirable than his virtual existence.<br /><br />After that Oct 29th, 2004 video, there were no more videos of Osama discussing contemporary issues. Except for 1 or 2 very brief general topic video segments pasted into longer audio releases and periodic audio only tapes with his static photo attached in a video, the popular and telegenic Osama went off the air for good. This inexplicable change in propaganda tactics is one of the main reasons why many believe Osama died, possibly due to his known medical issues, years ago.<br /><br />The best explainations why Osama stopped making his highly popular videos (among his followers) was that he either (a) was dead or (b) too sickly to be seen on video. <br /><br />Which means that the US SEALS may have had to put a bullet into the head of some sickly bed-ridden Osama (or one who just committed sucide). Alternatively, they may have gotten someone who was a stand-in for Osama.<br /><br />In more likely former case, this helps explain some of the oddities in the official account which has changed within the first 24hrs. <br /><br />* (according to the latest version) Why didn't Osama have a gun, shoot himself or at others given so much time with the noises outside? <br /><br />* Why didn't Osama try to escape? Certainly he would've had escape tunnels for just such an expected event and there was sufficient warning from the helicopters and noises outside to scramble down an escape tunnel. <br /><br />* Why was he so lightly guarded? He was too sick to move, possibly near death, and if discovered he would die if moved anyway.<br /><br />* Why did his wife sheild him and have to be shot in the leg to get her out of the way? Or not, depending upon the version - but it very easy to image a woman covering her bedridden husband.<br /><br />If Osama was gravely sick, it seems provisions would at least be made for a suicide pill or injection to avoid potential "enhanced interrogation" or worse (handover to a black site in an allied country like Egypt). <br /><br />* The details of this scenario would strongly argue for a quick disposal of the corpse to avoid any investigations into the details of Osama's death - be his gravely ill or dead by suicide before our SEAL team got there.<br /><br />This doesn't take anything away from the bravery of our US SEALS who faced real danger from potentionally hostile elements within the Pakistani military and executed flawlessly their mission.<br /><br />Still, our leaders have brazenly lied and twisted facts to us before on many occassions. Think of how the very pedestrian and sad stories of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman were twited into heroic propaganda stories. The urge to do anything that makes Obama seem heroic is irresistable in elite circles.Osama was bedriddennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65049584284116352262011-05-04T07:10:56.843-07:002011-05-04T07:10:56.843-07:00A humorous take from an Indian point of view that ...A humorous take from an Indian point of view that would also answer the question (and a lot of related questions)<br /><br />http://greatbong.net/2011/05/02/his-final-moments/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51849821853434164322011-05-04T07:05:39.646-07:002011-05-04T07:05:39.646-07:00So all of you 'rebellious', anti-mass medi...So all of you 'rebellious', anti-mass media, geniuses, actually believe that we killed OBL last week without having seen a body -- because the mass media tell you so.<br /><br />I'm speechless, this just gets better all of the time!<br /><br />BAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.com