tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4578518823606382534..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: A rabbi's appeal to Jewish American citizenistsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36254353984073863062013-09-05T10:40:22.389-07:002013-09-05T10:40:22.389-07:00Virtually all argue, and presumably believe, that ...<i>Virtually all argue, and presumably believe, that immigration is a win-win for immigrants and for America.</i><br /><br />Only because they define America by the size of its economy (GDP per capita) and not by the welfare of its people. Immigration, like trade, grows the economy as they like to say. Nevermind that the redistribution of income (from labor to capital) swamps the increase in the size of the economic pie. The way you tell is by the decline in real hourly wages, the only metric that counts.Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60990820830066928572013-09-05T06:03:52.477-07:002013-09-05T06:03:52.477-07:00Virtually all argue, and presumably believe, that ...<i>Virtually all argue, and presumably believe, that immigration is a win-win for immigrants and for America.</i><br /><br />Only because they define America by the size of its economy (GDP per capita) and not by the welfare of its people. Immigration, like trade, grows the economy as they like to say. Nevermind that the redistribution of income (from labor to capital) swamps the increase in the size of the economic pie. The way you tell is by the decline in real hourly wages, the only metric that counts.Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85683799821070629992013-09-05T05:56:40.142-07:002013-09-05T05:56:40.142-07:00If this is true, why in the hell would you encoura...<i>If this is true, why in the hell would you encourage him not to go forward with it?</i><br /><br />Better to have this conversation in private until a certain minimum level of consensus is reached. One guy sticking his head out in public may not be the best way to begin.Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21241747360956539302013-09-04T23:35:30.261-07:002013-09-04T23:35:30.261-07:00David Mamet is more of a neocon, not a paleocon:
...David Mamet is more of a neocon, not a paleocon:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_mamet#Other_media_.2F_political_views<br /><br />"Since May 2005 he has been a contributing blogger at The Huffington Post, drawing satirical cartoons with themes including political strife in Israel.[10] A conservative, Mamet has spoken in interviews of changes in his political positions,[11][12] highlighting his belief in free market theorists such as Friedrich Hayek[13] the historian Paul Johnson, and economist Thomas Sowell, whom Mamet called "one of our greatest minds.""Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34305596500644490652013-09-04T20:02:22.920-07:002013-09-04T20:02:22.920-07:00Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute argues that i...<i>Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute argues that it only hurts a small minority of Americans (high school dropouts, for example), but those Americans can be compensated by the economic juice provided if we enact more libertarian policies.</i><br /><br />Did you read Mickey Kaus's recent exchange with Nowrasteh? Nowrasteh's comments about the troubles of unemployed American high-school dropouts were of the "Let them eat cake" variety, though I believe Marie Antoinette had more genuine sympathy for others than Nowrasteh displays. Hope he shows as much aplomb as that lady did when the tumbrels come for him and his ilk.Harry Baldwinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72334306922263033152013-09-04T18:56:32.456-07:002013-09-04T18:56:32.456-07:00Anonymous:"The Jewish American "masses&q...Anonymous:"The Jewish American "masses" to whom Aaron Gross refers voted nearly 70% for Obama in the last election. Does that really indicate a desire to see immigration restricted?"<br /><br />Voting for or against Obama has very little to do with immigration; on that issue, Romney was Tweedledee to Obama's Tweedledum.Or vice versa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30643466112703628992013-09-04T15:09:54.949-07:002013-09-04T15:09:54.949-07:00"But what pro-immigrationist argues or believ...<i>"But what pro-immigrationist argues or believes that mass immigration harms Americans?"</i><br /><br />Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute argues that it only hurts a small minority of Americans (high school dropouts, for example), but those Americans can be compensated by the economic juice provided if we enact more libertarian policies. Something to that effect. He really seems to believe that indigent third world immigrants will vote for Cato-approved economic policies (such as cutting welfare) when they become citizens. He also believes that those policies will actually help the poor. Dave Pinsenhttp://twitter.com/dpinsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25693842791032580232013-09-04T11:04:51.378-07:002013-09-04T11:04:51.378-07:00Where can I sign up?Where can I sign up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76593189851773280112013-09-04T11:00:23.086-07:002013-09-04T11:00:23.086-07:00Where can I sign up?Where can I sign up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16801156389272010372013-09-04T10:05:01.512-07:002013-09-04T10:05:01.512-07:00Just wanna say one more thing. Jerry Nadler, Jewis...Just wanna say one more thing. Jerry Nadler, Jewish congressman from a heavily Jewish district, has been one of the good guys here:<br /><br />http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/319387-nadler-says-obama-needs-congresss-approval-for-syria-strike<br /><br />Maybe he'll wimp out in the end, but he did the right thing here in calling for a debate in Congress.<br /><br />I wrote him an email strongly opposing US intervention in the Syrian civil war.<br /><br />I suggest everyone here do the same, even if it does no good. <br /><br />SAY SOMETHING.Does It Matter?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10032935202472116692013-09-04T09:55:02.908-07:002013-09-04T09:55:02.908-07:00David Mamet did not become a paleocon, he became a...David Mamet did not become a paleocon, he became a conventional, post-9/11 Fox News/Weekly Standard/Commentary/WallStJournal-editiorial-page "mainstream" conservative (and not a terribly interesting one). He even got a puff piece in the Standard, which evidences the cookie-cutter nature of his views. I very much doubt that Rabbi Finley (whom I'm not familiar with) is an open immigration restrictionist. Politically "conservative" Jews tend to be establishment conservatives, i.e., hawkish on foreign policy (good luck with that), pro-Israel, and pro-Gang of Eight. On social issues, Orthodox Jews for the most part keep their heads low.<br /><br />The Jewish American "masses" to whom Aaron Gross refers voted nearly 70% for Obama in the last election. Does that really indicate a desire to see immigration restricted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90315764538322522402013-09-04T08:59:35.707-07:002013-09-04T08:59:35.707-07:00I don't get this "Christian guilt" t...I don't get this "Christian guilt" thing about the holocaust. The Nazis were inventing a new neo pagan belief system, Jesus had Jewish blood, I have not come across any material where they were invoking the name of Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61714952260754778352013-09-04T08:11:33.778-07:002013-09-04T08:11:33.778-07:00Aaron,
Easy for you to say, in Israel. This guy&#...Aaron,<br /><br />Easy for you to say, in Israel. This guy's career *would* be over were he to sign his name to this manifesto, mild as it is.<br /><br />Having said that, I sympathize with your feelings because....<br /><br />Steve,<br /><br />Nothing matters if you don't sign your own name to it. This goes for me. I'm a coward, too. I'm a Jewish-American who favors immigration sanity, and a bunch of other non-PC things. <br /><br />One day, I look forward to saying how I really feel about immigration and other matters. But I can't now. So what I say doesn't matter.<br /><br />What the rabbi said is nice, but it carries no force if he isn't willing to sign his name to it.<br /><br />And before I forget:<br /><br />OPPOSE WAR IN SYRIA<br />ABRAHAM FOXMAN COMPARING SYRIA TO HITLER IS AN OBSCENITY<br /><br />and<br /><br />No matter how hard I scream, if it's done behind an anonymous screen name, it's meaningless.Does It Matter?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91435338471703381152013-09-04T07:59:25.314-07:002013-09-04T07:59:25.314-07:00I've never heard Mamet speak on immigration. H...I've never heard Mamet speak on immigration. Has he? He chickened out in his play "Race". But I did once read, can't recall where, him say one truth that impressed me: The Left is destroying Western Civilization. IMO with Republicans, Western Civilization is like women and children in Iraq--ya know, collateral damage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8792962858371864912013-09-04T07:53:53.947-07:002013-09-04T07:53:53.947-07:00I'd like to know just who Aaron Gross is heari...I'd like to know just who Aaron Gross is hearing on Fox News "all the time" talking about restricting legal immigration? Even there, you'd be safer in your career speaking up for NAMBLA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10541356773329404672013-09-04T07:00:59.070-07:002013-09-04T07:00:59.070-07:00It's always good to get Tel Aviv's views o...It's always good to get Tel Aviv's views on the issues of the day. Thanks, Aaron.Kon-Taktnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85510737634116647442013-09-04T06:34:54.176-07:002013-09-04T06:34:54.176-07:00@ Aaron Gross 10:59 pm:
> But what pro-immigra...@ Aaron Gross 10:59 pm:<br /><br />> But what pro-immigrationist argues or believes that mass immigration harms Americans? Virtually all argue, and presumably believe, that immigration is a win-win for immigrants and for America.<br /><br />Kinda-sorta. Read any of Tyler Cowan's posts and their comments. Libertarians don't engage with the claims that mass immigration harms the left-side-of-the-bell-curve Americans. By any definition of "engagement" that includes consideration of relevant facts and reasoned argument. <br /><br />Through some combination of universalist utilitarianism and Asperger's, <i>they just don't care.</i>AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62751689928009956732013-09-04T05:50:22.158-07:002013-09-04T05:50:22.158-07:00May the righteous rabbi live long and prosper.
He...May the righteous rabbi live long and prosper.<br /><br />He was very well advised to remain anonymous. Not even a rabbi is safe saying things like that.Titus Didius Tacitusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29875739125875496332013-09-04T05:11:33.964-07:002013-09-04T05:11:33.964-07:00David Mamet is a Paleocon on most issues but has h...David Mamet is a Paleocon on most issues but has he ever come out forcefully against immigration?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34692544716323832332013-09-04T05:09:49.575-07:002013-09-04T05:09:49.575-07:00Steve, you have a much larger Jewish readership th...Steve, you have a much larger Jewish readership than you will ever know. Particularly right here in Los Angeles. You did a real mitzvah preventing this man from destroying his career Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80661429009932567332013-09-04T01:22:18.253-07:002013-09-04T01:22:18.253-07:00If he's right about the non-insanity of most J...If he's right about the non-insanity of most Jews (and polling seems to support him)then he should be able to publish under his own name *unless* for some reason he is in a particularly vulnerable position vis-a-vis the pro-immigration Jewish elites.<br /><br />If he's wrong, then there's no point publishing it here, or anonymously.<br /><br />If it's a marginal case, well the best advice is always to behave like Starkey, not Watson. Never apologise, never back down.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5476166964035042442013-09-03T23:59:59.148-07:002013-09-03T23:59:59.148-07:00I don't know about the rabbi's career &quo...I don't know about the rabbi's career "finished" if this rather meek manifesto were to be signed. Just to give a well-known example: David Mamet got a lot of flak after he, guided by the L.A. rabbi Mordecai Finley, turned around to become what appears to be paleocon. But Mordecai Finley is doing just fine. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75510225001076797992013-09-03T22:59:29.940-07:002013-09-03T22:59:29.940-07:00I cautioned him to think carefully before going pu...<i>I cautioned him to think carefully before going public with such a moderate manifesto. He eventually decided, prudently, to remain anonymous....</i><br /><br />What a pussy. The views expressed in the manifesto - "manifesto"?! - are what you hear all the time from guests on Fox News and in other mainstream media. Sign your name, coward.<br /><br />I liked the bit about the public opinion surveys. That's one thing the anti-Semitic retards are always missing: Jewish Americans are basically anti-immigration, though not as strongly as non-Jews. (And I'd <i>still</i> to know how much ethnicity is an alias for socio-economic status.) The Jewish-American elite doesn't speak for the Jewish-American masses.<br /><br />My main objection is rhetorical. He says we should consider current citizens' well-being over that of potential immigrants. But what pro-immigrationist argues or believes that mass immigration harms Americans? Virtually all argue, and presumably believe, that immigration is a win-win for immigrants and for America. That's the belief that has to be addressed, not a straw argument that potential immigrants should be counted the same as Americans.<br /><br />About his use of the word "citizenism": I won't criticize the whole "citizenism" idea here. For a change, I'll let it be. But even if it were a great idea, it would still be bad to use an unfamiliar, private-language word in a message - oops, I mean a "manifesto" - addressed to a general audience. Using words like that sounds kooky, even if they were right.<br /><br />But yeah, sure, the more statements against mass immigration the better. Not that a little "manifesto" like this is going to noticed, but sure, why not?Aaron Grosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07105500964362053569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6772316725012309812013-09-03T22:34:45.993-07:002013-09-03T22:34:45.993-07:00This is great. I fully support this Rabbi. I have ...This is great. I fully support this Rabbi. I have only a small fraction of Jewish blood, so speaking as a Gentile I would like to see more of this. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7730418189794718112013-09-03T20:58:07.311-07:002013-09-03T20:58:07.311-07:00I wouldn't count on Christian guilt over the H...I wouldn't count on Christian guilt over the Holocaust being relevant for long. Survivors are dying every day and before long no one alive will have had anything to do with it. Like white guilt over Jim Crow Holocause guilt has a natural shelf life. Of course almost no one will publicly admit to not caring but the attitude will be there just the same. Which will mean more and more gentiles sacrificed in Two Minute Hate rituals. At least the future won't be boring.<br /><br />GloriaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com