tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4654489909934198337..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Geoffrey Miller: "The Looming Crisis in Human Genetics"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48930954197631727262009-12-05T02:38:48.176-08:002009-12-05T02:38:48.176-08:00Wouldn't conclusive identification of IQ genes...Wouldn't conclusive identification of IQ genes (or IQ viruses, or other causative agents) also imply the ability to manipulate IQ? How expensive is gene therapy these days and how much cheaper might it be as technology improves?<br /><br />If high (maybe unimaginably high) IQs were available for less than the cost of a house, most of the population would go for it, and it might well be rationed in order of priority: the retarded, the poor, etc.<br /><br />Of course, it could also turn out that monster IQs are attainable but don't make as much difference as we think today, accustomed as we are to a world where low intelligence predominates.Ivy League Bastardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6512551564280491632009-12-04T13:45:38.520-08:002009-12-04T13:45:38.520-08:00> Not in the 12th century. <
Then substitut...> Not in the 12th century. <<br /><br />Then substitute yourself for the Great Khan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47262852602092435012009-12-02T17:54:52.163-08:002009-12-02T17:54:52.163-08:00Not in the 12th century.Not in the 12th century.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84549147319301413292009-12-02T06:59:59.431-08:002009-12-02T06:59:59.431-08:00> One can be taught passivity, one cannot be ta...> One can be taught passivity, one cannot be taught "blue eyes." <<br /><br />You'd have a better shot teaching Ghenghis Khan to wear contacts than teaching him to be passive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89354416013674217372009-12-01T16:30:03.634-08:002009-12-01T16:30:03.634-08:00"Your genes didn't evolve to kill you.&qu..."Your genes didn't evolve to kill you."<br /><br />Yep, but you'd never suspect this based on the money thrown at gene studies, would you? <br /><br />Sanders at Northwestern got a whole bunch of money from the NIH to see if he could replicate Hamer's claim that the mystery of homosex is somehow to be found on Xq28. It's a five year study that's now into its 6th year, I think.<br /><br />So, let's say that the results do show some "linkage" either with that gene or another. Then what? Will they be able to tell us (or would they even dare)to identify just what that gene "does". For instance, what if they discover a correlation between being gay and a particular immune system gene? Think the reporting of the implications of that would be made clear or obfuscated?<br /><br />Meanwhile, has any NIH money gone to researchers looking more specifically for a more direct non-genetic cause--like infection?<br /><br />The genetics crowd get all the money--taxpayers deserve more bang for their bucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31178591406330008642009-12-01T15:49:30.707-08:002009-12-01T15:49:30.707-08:00One can be taught passivity, one cannot be taught ...One can be taught passivity, one cannot be taught "blue eyes."Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5164204090953400672009-12-01T10:30:33.588-08:002009-12-01T10:30:33.588-08:00"FakeName said...
The "problem"..."FakeName said...<br /><br /> The "problem" with HBD is that it justifies racism, and the people who promote HBD won't acknowledge this, and deal with it..."<br /><br />The problem with racism, is that it is used to justify suppressing HBD. I don't give a damn about racism. It is an empty talisman, used to warn people off of unpleasant topics (unpleasant for some, that is). If whites in this country stopped recognizing that word, and the power we allow others to invest in it, it would not be a problem.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64634977654014442932009-12-01T09:21:37.883-08:002009-12-01T09:21:37.883-08:00Toadal: My late father-in-law was convinced that c...Toadal: My late father-in-law was convinced that coronary artery disease was triggered by bacterial infection and he would take a short course of azithromycin at regular intervals as prophylaxis. Alas, he managed to avoid the MI but succumbed to a fall he had while moving furniture down a stairway (at the age of 85!).Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10146612835846297652009-12-01T07:06:33.418-08:002009-12-01T07:06:33.418-08:00The "problem" with HBD is that it justif...<i>The "problem" with HBD is that it justifies racism, and the people who promote HBD won't acknowledge this, and deal with it..</i><br /><br />Blank slates and one-worldism are also used to justify racism...anti-white racism. They don't acknowledge or deal with that either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35350156424395481732009-12-01T06:40:52.463-08:002009-12-01T06:40:52.463-08:00The PC line is that genes affect only physical tra...The PC line is that genes affect only physical traits, not mental traits. Eye color, height, skin color, yes - but intelligence, aggression, memory, no.<br /><br />This line is tantamount to saying evolution stops at the neck (as someone once pointed out).<br /><br />The brain is the locus of personality and will, so expect the greatest conceivable resistance to hard science going there (as against soft sciences like behavioral psychology).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65656297401438278802009-11-30T22:59:54.788-08:002009-11-30T22:59:54.788-08:00albertosaurus said... It's not hard to underst...<i> albertosaurus said... It's not hard to understand why genetic mapping is not as effective as was expected. The reason is that Cochran, Harpening, and Ewald are right. Very few important human diseases are genetic. Most are caused by some as yet unknown infectious agent.</i><br /><br />Yes its viruses and bacteria that have the heaviest burden on our health. I, like many, systematically search pubmed to gather the pieces of the <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18838452?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=6" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"> longevity puzzle. </a> I've recently discovered younger people can postpone or avoid many of the assaults nature made on their parents health thorough a simple vaccination every five years.Toadalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02710674512538267656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65036293488844281632009-11-30T21:44:10.938-08:002009-11-30T21:44:10.938-08:00"As Matt Ridley once said, your genes didn..."As Matt Ridley once said, your genes didn't evolve to kill you."<br /><br />Yet that seems the only explanation for the peoples of Europe and their diasporic kin.Doctor Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20104182721733462009-11-30T19:49:18.840-08:002009-11-30T19:49:18.840-08:00"This blog post and associated comments have ..."This blog post and associated comments have probably already been forwarded to The Economist, whose editors have already forwarded it to the author, with the following message: "See! The racists are already using your article to further their agenda!"<br /><br />Sean S."<br /><br />I believe Sailer has reviewed both "The Mating Mind" and "Spent" (I remember them both being discussed here) and I'm pretty sure the two are friendly.<br /><br />Mark said,<br />"I think if we address the concerns that liberals have regarding the misuse of HBD, alot more will come out of the closet as believers once the genetic evidence is there."<br /><br />I tend to believe it is so much about philosophy, too. One can embrace hbd and not eugenics, for example.<br />Lately, I've become cynical, especially with the outright fraud in climategate and I wonder: If I fancy myself a Godless Nietzschean superwoman for whom society is mine to play engineer with, why would I upset my supporters by embracing something that says they're inferior? I'd keep importing them and breeding these dullards who would give me, or people like me, the power I crave. They can't hurt me; the Morlocks mostly hurt my enemies, so why would I be interested in any science that could get in the way of attaining power?<br /><br />The only thing I can think of that counters this is the hope that there are enough liberals high in conscientiousness (like those who were passionate about corruption and campaign finance reform) who would embrace hbd and thwart the totalitarians.Dahlianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16282492150351521992009-11-30T19:21:31.836-08:002009-11-30T19:21:31.836-08:00And they are absolutely justified in arguing that ...<i>And they are absolutely justified in arguing that HBD should not in anyway trump our responsibility to help those less off than ourselves.</i><br /><br />Often the primary argument for redistribution of wealth across racial lines is that one race's shortcomings are the result of injury caused by the other. What gives leftists the right to change their (ostensible) morality so suddenly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80723855770476674392009-11-30T18:53:42.598-08:002009-11-30T18:53:42.598-08:00Steve, I think you have a tendency to underestimat...Steve, I think you have a tendency to underestimate secular liberal's appreciation for science. Back them against the wall with hard genetic evidence about HBD, and many will admit it, and immediately start talking about such differences should change x or y policy. And they are absolutely justified in arguing that HBD should not in anyway trump our responsibility to help those less off than ourselves. I think if we address the concerns that liberals have regarding the misuse of HBD, alot more will come out of the closet as believers once the genetic evidence is there.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327785256936928799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31544004092629554762009-11-30T18:47:30.655-08:002009-11-30T18:47:30.655-08:00I was going to suggest "height" as a her...I was going to suggest "height" as a heritable (90 - 95%)phenotype that might be intermediate. Perhaps not, though. <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/04/selection_for_height_genes.php" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Razib</a> reported in 2008 about GWAS studies on height. They found ~20 loci that altogether accounted for ~5% of the variation in height. <br /><br />Cheers,<br />--BobBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13570616517199895140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67159673483759496702009-11-30T16:59:14.593-08:002009-11-30T16:59:14.593-08:00Nah.
Global Warming didn't become the bizarre...Nah.<br /><br />Global Warming didn't become the bizarre fixation it is now until about a decade ago, and these revelations will slowly kill it.<br /><br />Likewise, there are too many people who understand privately that black educational underperformance is the result of discrepancies in innate ability. When all the scientific evidence confirms it, no one will believe the Affirmative Action Bitches.Vain Saintshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07796361846052555305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35925232865966421152009-11-30T16:34:49.604-08:002009-11-30T16:34:49.604-08:00Good luck with that. We have known for a pretty l...Good luck with that. We have known for a pretty long time that men actually have a different chromosome than women...but the Mainstream is not willing to acknowledge that genes on that chromosome have anything to do with thought processes...I don't expect that large scale studies of the genes contained on other chromosomes will change their minds either...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27666416603895529342009-11-30T16:09:18.805-08:002009-11-30T16:09:18.805-08:00Steve Sailer said: “It would be interesting to kno...Steve Sailer said: “It would be interesting to know what traits are the most promising targets intermediate in complexity between lactose tolerance and IQ.”<br /><br />Well, I consider it quite telling the degree to which studies are focusing on the sequences that are most influential on neurotransmitters, like HTTLPR, COMT, MAOB, and MAOA. The hypotheses seem to be coalescing around an axis of internalizing/externalizing versus individualism/collectivism.<br /><br />Perhaps this and the genetics of the endocrine system will demonstrate a balance between having an enormous amount of genetic complexity with a limited number of especially consequential variants. I am currently researching a blog post for hormones research, which will be of interest to Steve Sailer fans.<br /><br />Geoffrey Miller said: “GWAS methods so far focus on relatively common genetic variants in regions of DNA that code for proteins.”<br /><br />Not only that, but they also lack the dexterity to test gene-gene and gene-environment interactions. Plus, research on abdominal aortic aneurysms and prostate cancer suggest that GWAS cannot rely on blood samples to accurately represent healthy tissue mutations.<br /><br />RKU said: “Well, I'm no specialist in this subject, but my strong impression is that this isn't correct. I think we're talking about something like hundreds of ‘smart’ genes, of which maybe the biggest contribute only 2% or so to the total. So probably the top 10 only determine 10-15% of the variation. Probably some other commenter knows this issue better than I do...”<br /><br />I think there has only been two IQ GWAS (not including GWAS of regions of interest). The first and largest showed that the strongest IQ single nucleotide polymorphism accounts for 0.4% of IQ.<br /><br />Geoffrey Miller said: “The few who really understand the genetics will gain a more enlightened, live-and-let-live recognition of the biodiversity within our extraordinary species—including a clearer view of likely comparative advantages between the world’s different economies.”<br /><br />Live and let live? I shall probably miss Baby Boomers when they are dead. But seriously, what does it mean to live and let live if you know that there is a <a href="http://cordeliaforlear.blogspot.com/2009/10/no-amore-for-maoa-from-maori.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">violence gene</a>?nooffensebuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02461190919466049463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88472090719935918022009-11-30T15:29:59.478-08:002009-11-30T15:29:59.478-08:00RKU and 'Saurus
What about the relatively few...RKU and 'Saurus<br /><br />What about the relatively few rare and deleterious alleles theory. I don't see why this is excluded for either IQ or disease. I don't recall Cochran and Ewald addressing that but its been a while since I read their very fine major paper together.blue anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88236295234248147732009-11-30T15:29:59.479-08:002009-11-30T15:29:59.479-08:00"Well, I'm no specialist in this subject,..."Well, I'm no specialist in this subject, but my strong impression is that this isn't correct. I think we're talking about something like hundreds of "smart" genes, of which maybe the biggest contribute only 2% or so to the total. So probably the top 10 only determine 10-15% of the variation."<br /><br />Assuming that's true (and I have no reason to doubt you) that will make life even easier for the liberals.sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42110486432373320782009-11-30T14:34:18.644-08:002009-11-30T14:34:18.644-08:00Scientists have been spending loads of time and mo...Scientists have been spending loads of time and money trying to find the gene(s) for autism susceptibility without much luck (family and identical twin studies suggest it has a significant genetic component). The genes involved are likely multiple thus there is no simple correlation. These kinds of studies have continued despite the dead ends so that attention will not be paid to the environmental factors that trigger the disorder in the susceptible (too many powerful and influential toes to step on there!).Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17567731615444197632009-11-30T13:01:16.961-08:002009-11-30T13:01:16.961-08:00'...securing and preserving all collected geno...'...securing and preserving all collected genome data in a public database...'<br />Public? Yeah, that's exactly how system works.(snark off)<br /> <br />'...and much more than feared about human evolution..'<br />How to strike a balance between the science and prevailing dogma? It often leads to a <a href="http://www.questiontechnology.org/blog/2007/04/dna_tests_offer.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">heartbreaking</a> experience for most vulnerable members of our communities, those who share our belief in tolerant, open societies. We can't have that, can we?sj071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11103447812253107152009-11-30T11:15:05.952-08:002009-11-30T11:15:05.952-08:00The "problem" with HBD is that it justif...The "problem" with HBD is that it justifies racism, and the people who promote HBD won't acknowledge this, and deal with it...If you don't believe me then are you willing to buy beach front Haitian property?FakeNamenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65707089493898123082009-11-30T11:12:13.013-08:002009-11-30T11:12:13.013-08:00This blog post and associated comments have probab...This blog post and associated comments have probably already been forwarded to The Economist, whose editors have already forwarded it to the author, with the following message: "See! The racists are already using your article to further their agenda!"<br /><br />Sean S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com