tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4654890452245502823..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Crispr for genetic engineeringUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70438929615771365482014-03-05T14:36:01.010-08:002014-03-05T14:36:01.010-08:00ZMG, I think there are easier ways of using CRSPR ...ZMG, I think there are easier ways of using CRSPR for assisted reproduction.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37393297861195464232014-03-04T16:42:16.433-08:002014-03-04T16:42:16.433-08:00"When everyone is super ..."
This remin..."When everyone is super ..."<br /><br />This reminds me of a certain Monty Python sketch. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15792793741746454992014-03-04T13:54:36.771-08:002014-03-04T13:54:36.771-08:00No, it wouldn't work on a trisomy, which is th...No, it wouldn't work on a trisomy, which is the presence of an extra copy of a chromosome.<br /><br />In theory, I suppose a very early stage of embryonic development could have the chromosome removed. In practice, the embryo would have to be conceived <i>in vitro</i> and the defect noticed very early. Successful chromosomal surgery on multiple cells, without disrupting the ongoing process of development... I don't know if our technology could manage it, or whether biology permits it.<br /><br />As for developed humans, there is no plausible means by which a trisomy could be changed, and probably even with the magical ability to alter the genome in every cell simultaneously, the physiological defects would be mostly set already. It'd be like closing the barn door after the horse had escaped - entirely pointless.Melendwyrhttp://occludedsun.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60954685859145467742014-03-04T12:56:43.116-08:002014-03-04T12:56:43.116-08:00And when elites tire of their elitist fun,
They&...And when elites tire of their elitist fun,<br /> They'll sell us genetics, so that everyone,<br /> Can be elite.<br />Everyone can be super! And when everyone is super ... <br />No one will be.Toadalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11520621303240594502014-03-04T10:34:00.297-08:002014-03-04T10:34:00.297-08:00the irs could reprogram tea-partiers.
the irs could reprogram tea-partiers.<br />fermi's paradox answerednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20903581271904443582014-03-04T07:34:42.393-08:002014-03-04T07:34:42.393-08:00they should've given CRISPR a palindromic name...they should've given CRISPR a palindromic name, such as CRSPSRC<br />(clustered regularly short palindromic systematic repeated chain) or a more imaginative palindrome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58738714014187845752014-03-04T05:34:26.185-08:002014-03-04T05:34:26.185-08:00Crispr is a really exciting innovation, but the te...Crispr is a really exciting innovation, but the technology should be put in perspective. This is the <i>third</i> effective approach to targeted genetic manipulation to be achieved in the past few decades.<br /><br />The first is Zinc Finger Nuclease (ZFN) technology. This is currently in Phase 2 clinical trials for ex vivo manipulation of HIV-infected patients' T cells, to slow the rate of disease progression. Recent Sangamo, Inc. press release on SB-728-T <a href="http://investor.sangamo.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=812132" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Browse the company's list of <a href="http://investor.sangamo.com/releases.cfm" rel="nofollow">press releases</a> for other ZFN therapy initiatives.<br /><br />The second is TALENs, dating from about 2011. Recent review at <a href="http://www.nature.com/nrm/journal/v14/n1/full/nrm3486.html" rel="nofollow">Nature Reviews</a>, but behind a paywall.<br /><br />Clinical progress is <i>extremely</i> slow with these gene therapy approaches. Many reasons, but the two big ones are the unanticipated risks (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Gelsinger" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia on Jesse Gelsinger</a>), and the risk-averse nature of the FDA and other regulatory bodies.<br /><br />In the long run, a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Domination" rel="nofollow">Draka</a>-style dystopia isn't inconceivable. Neither are cures to complex inherited diseases, or <i>Brave New World</i> improvements* to human breeding stock. Per the list of Sangamo PRs linked above, cures to monogenic diseases are within sight.<br />.<br />* "improvements," YMMV.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1933389457998407442014-03-04T02:43:20.872-08:002014-03-04T02:43:20.872-08:00Wake me when they are able cure someone's cyst...Wake me when they are able cure someone's cystic fibrosis instead of making some weed glow in the dark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89842616049373392014-03-04T02:01:24.032-08:002014-03-04T02:01:24.032-08:00>-- This could be very useful for fixing one ba...>-- This could be very useful for fixing one bad gene problems, but positive traits tend to be the results of lots of genes interacting, which raises all sorts of questions.<br /><br />I'm more optimistic. I don't have the link on hand, but if you search for Steve Hsu's presentation at Google on the fancy Chinese eugenics thing he's working on, he said that of the 0.6 of the variation in IQ that genes account for, something like 0.4 of it is due to additive genetic variance, i.e. stuff that isn't due to complicated multiple-gene interactions.<br /><br />If we can genetically engineer those genes to be more common, we can easily raise IQ by many points.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1104152671948747252014-03-04T00:03:00.724-08:002014-03-04T00:03:00.724-08:00Why do things move so slow in medicine now? That ...Why do things move so slow in medicine now? That is a major issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44240628559427151202014-03-03T22:34:10.388-08:002014-03-03T22:34:10.388-08:00How far off is this from some of Greg Cochran'...<i>How far off is this from some of Greg Cochran's theories regarding pathogens and genes?</i><br /><br />You mean Greg Jockran.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38846777084173368162014-03-03T21:00:35.593-08:002014-03-03T21:00:35.593-08:00"Hubrecht Institute in the Netherlands" ..."Hubrecht Institute in the Netherlands" I thought the reason we paid more for drugs and medical care than any other nation was so that all the medical research would be done in the US. What gives?<br /><br />3/3/14, 5:28 PM<br /><br /><br />The development of this technology was driven by George Church who is at Harvard and Feng Zhang who is at MIT. Several groups in Boston, California and elsewhere in the US are the leaders in this field. The proof of principle work mentioned is not the big advance. <br /><br />What is the delivery vehicle? E. Coli? <br /><br />And is there any way to check for the existence of certain alleles before releasing the payload?<br /><br />3/3/14, 6:33 PM<br /><br />It is typically delivered as plasmid DNA which is prepared from E. coli then delivered by zapping holes in the cell membrane in vitro. The allele that is being modified is characterized by DNA sequencing before and after modification. In principle this can apply to say human embryonic stem cells or early embryos. <br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymous said...<br />Steve,<br /><br />Why did it take so long for news of Crispr to be reported in the U.S. media when it was making headlines in Britain 6 months ago or more?<br /><br />These things are always slow to permeate the public consciousness. The first paper about CRISPR genome editing came out the first week of January 2013. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19816840710404914242014-03-03T19:59:55.948-08:002014-03-03T19:59:55.948-08:00How far off is this from some of Greg Cochran'...How far off is this from some of Greg Cochran's theories regarding pathogens and genes? <br /><br />I ask this because Tim Wise just gave a lecture at my old law school alma mater invited by the alumni assoc. and, though I didn't find time for the lecture, I had the temptation to go and ask why Greg Cochran had never been invited to share his views before this group on the subject of race and privilege. Apparently, Wise's presentation was on the so-called 'backpack of white privilege.' I mention Cochran because I notice he and Wise got into it about a decade ago on the question of whether races were a real thing, and I thought it would be interesting to remind Wise of the exchange and see whether he'd defend or back-peddle from his earlier position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52566342494280468502014-03-03T19:31:59.450-08:002014-03-03T19:31:59.450-08:00I don't know. I was kind of waiting around for...I don't know. I was kind of waiting around for it get more press here. Presumably that it hasn't been debunked in that half year of delay suggests that it is the real deal.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18075538953101218362014-03-03T19:23:53.636-08:002014-03-03T19:23:53.636-08:00Steve,
Why did it take so long for news of Crispr...Steve,<br /><br />Why did it take so long for news of Crispr to be reported in the U.S. media when it was making headlines in Britain 6 months ago or more?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52993088711661091682014-03-03T18:37:37.273-08:002014-03-03T18:37:37.273-08:00Can this work on trisomy 21 and 13? Can this work on trisomy 21 and 13? Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022407892012415037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90048046764968862962014-03-03T18:33:00.334-08:002014-03-03T18:33:00.334-08:00What is the delivery vehicle? E. Coli?
And is th...What is the delivery vehicle? <i>E. Coli</i>? <br /><br />And is there any way to check for the existence of certain alleles before releasing the payload?Big Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12221161244112204022014-03-03T17:42:20.927-08:002014-03-03T17:42:20.927-08:00Sure, it's a big deal and a really tiny step a...Sure, it's a big deal and a really tiny step at the same time. I'd love to see more coverage of avenues to pursue. Sure, changing more complex traits won't be trivially easy, we can start with the easy fixes, and science will probably have to go one step at a time.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409331878538686718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90669770218026602482014-03-03T17:28:23.680-08:002014-03-03T17:28:23.680-08:00"Hubrecht Institute in the Netherlands" ..."Hubrecht Institute in the Netherlands" I thought the reason we paid more for drugs and medical care than any other nation was so that all the medical research would be done in the US. What gives? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35600274139480606522014-03-03T17:10:18.165-08:002014-03-03T17:10:18.165-08:00Steve, did you ever read the Esquire profile from ...Steve, did you ever read the Esquire profile from a few years back of the computational biologist Eric Schadt? You might be interested -- the guy is a brilliant scientist who flunked his way outta high school and, if not for an injury sustained in the military, would have slipped through the cracks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31542457614148350942014-03-03T17:07:09.833-08:002014-03-03T17:07:09.833-08:00Frankenstein lives!Frankenstein lives!Shouting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813058890609756982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3510264192978539202014-03-03T16:28:04.835-08:002014-03-03T16:28:04.835-08:00The crisper is the dirtiest part of the fridge. I ...The crisper is the dirtiest part of the fridge. I think I'll pass…Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.com