tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4664574938380463865..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Obama Youth: "Voting is so 2008"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65055753988095411422009-11-05T22:30:49.984-08:002009-11-05T22:30:49.984-08:00You were listening to Men at Work.I was listening ...You were listening to Men at Work.I was listening to Black Flag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5369211272866392562009-11-05T19:27:26.276-08:002009-11-05T19:27:26.276-08:00"folks of my generation generally get along p..."folks of my generation generally get along pretty well with people of other races and ethnicities."<br /><br />As long as we're going to use personal experience, I'm going to have to disagree. For all his faults, Alan Bloom pretty much nailed down race relations amongst youths in "SWPL-ish" professional & academic settings. To summarize his findings, whites are superficially friendly & tolerant towards minorities because they can afford to be - after all, the whites who made it into the Ivies or the big firms are well-off, steeped in Pee Cee, and intelligent enough to have beaten out thousands of whites and "qualified" NAMS. Although they may be burned that some of their friends lost places to underqualified minorities there's little overt hostility. OTOH, there is an intuitive "feeling" that NAM's are freeloaders & lightweights. With the exception of students in the soft sciences/ grievance studies there's little discussion of cutting-edge academic issues between the races; after all, most of the hispanics & blacks in these settings are too uninformed to carry on meaningful conversations w/o the identity politics crutch. Recall the articles about our Halfrican Hero's years as a lecturer, when he isolated himself in the faculty room & rarely discussed the legal topics of the day. Like the typical AA admit he was either several tiers below his colleagues or too lazy to keep himself up-to-date on current events.<br /> On my undergraduate campus (and at my current school) the end results seem to be the following:<br /><br />-Shallow friendships b/w SWPL's and NAMS, with both groups aware of the intellectual gap<br /><br />-A few close friendships between die-hard SWPL libs and minorities, who use blacks as props to alleviate white guilt<br /><br />-Persistent self segregation of NAM's who resent SWPL "generosity" (and fear embarrassment in professional discussions). This segregation may be encouraged or discouraged by administrators, depending on what their diversity czars say ought to be done.<br /><br />As another commenter mentioned, look for modern-day "tolerance" to break down as the economy worsens and the current racial spoils system becomes more pronounced/zero sum.Nine-of-Diamondsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47634664413774999672009-11-05T14:33:28.261-08:002009-11-05T14:33:28.261-08:00"However, the one thing we all have in common..."However, the one thing we all have in common is that we are all relatively comfortable with racial and ethnic differences "<br /><br /><br />what does that mean, "comfortable"? I would say that most guys in their 40's and 50's are pretty comfortable dealing with people of different races, but that doesn't mean they want to move into a black or hispanic neighborhood.<br /><br />Just because somebody can tolerate diversity doesn't mean that they like it. <br /><br />Also keep in mind that the worse the economy gets, the worse ethnic tensions that were previously believed dead will rise up.Otis the Sweatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570181387899609995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74132416520087475662009-11-05T11:38:19.683-08:002009-11-05T11:38:19.683-08:00I think the "Obama Youth" phenomenon may...I think the "Obama Youth" phenomenon may be explained thusly.<br /><br />Nonwhite youth voted as a bloc for Obama and still support him. Blacks, of course, would have a 90%+ approval rating for him no matter what (something to keep in mind when tracking Obama's overall approval ratings).<br /><br />White youth, on the other hand, are more ambivalent. Young white men who voted for him did so in the belief that he was an anti-war libertarian like them, as opposed to Bush and his interventionist policies, and voted for him as a substitute for Ron Paul. Now, though, they seem to have largely turned off to him, judging from the opinions of people I know.<br /><br />Young white women are still supportive as a whole, as they seem to be naturally more liberal than men, but their support is now quite lukewarm.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-835236096240461002009-11-05T05:52:21.075-08:002009-11-05T05:52:21.075-08:00according to Unreconstructed:
"A. give women ...according to Unreconstructed:<br />"A. give women the vote<br /><br />B. give children the vote"<br /><br />and you're on the road to perdition as a nation.<br /><br />Women are grouped with children? Then allimony really is justified, honey, because obviously they can't be trusted in a serious workplace.<br />Steve, you have some smart commenters and I know you don't do PC (good), but some of your readers would probably be more comfortable in, oh, some Afghan village, than they themselves realize.general torpornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69660626268057595442009-11-05T05:47:46.704-08:002009-11-05T05:47:46.704-08:00MAW? I liked that weird song about the some Brit-A...MAW? I liked that weird song about the some Brit-Australian food, the vitameatavegin sandwich (got that mixed up with I Love Lucy episode I think), but the greatest? What? As far as mainstream bands of the 80s, definitely Tom Petty.general torpornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80683302604558751722009-11-05T04:49:58.430-08:002009-11-05T04:49:58.430-08:00I'm convinced that the perception of young peo...<i>I'm convinced that the perception of young people buying the white guilt thing is largely an observation of a relatively few young public loud mouths, who get more attention and press than they deserve.</i> <br /><br />As far as I can tell, white kids today think of the race issue as Al Swearengen might: "a bag of shit to hold."<br /><br />POC, can you pass as white, or black, or mestizo? If the answer is no on one or more counts, you're probably missing out on a conversation or two.<br /><br />But even if you weren't, your life experience doesn't amount to much in the face of, say, Putnam's work.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75745295948508642902009-11-05T03:15:49.028-08:002009-11-05T03:15:49.028-08:00Carolyn, you are mixing up Men at Work and Men Wit...Carolyn, you are mixing up <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_at_work" rel="nofollow">Men at Work</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_without_hats" rel="nofollow">Men Without Hats</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37101850441563005242009-11-04T17:33:24.670-08:002009-11-04T17:33:24.670-08:00Otis
I don't support amnesty and I take a gen...Otis<br /><br />I don't support amnesty and I take a generally centrist view on AA. My friends and I have a broad range of political ideologies and views on all sorts of issues. However, the one thing we all have in common is that we are all relatively comfortable with racial and ethnic differences and contrary to what David asserts, I doubt this will change when we get older. I just don't think America's racial and ethnic composition is a large concern for our generation with some exceptions.Pissed Off Chinamannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26828412388424002502009-11-04T15:37:40.010-08:002009-11-04T15:37:40.010-08:00"Carter, I am just speaking from my own exper..."Carter, I am just speaking from my own experiences. I know folks on this blog disagree but then ya'll aren't really mainstream these days."<br /><br />You're learning the wrong lessons from your experiences and making the same mistake liberals do thinking that the young will lead to some future left wing dystopia. <br /><br /> I'm 26 and get along just fine with blacks and hispanics in daily life, as do all my friends, but that doesn't mean that any of them support Affirmative Action or amnesty for illegals. The personal and the political are very seperate. Young white men hate PC more than probably any other group.Otis the Sweatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570181387899609995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41942348876696363922009-11-04T15:36:28.357-08:002009-11-04T15:36:28.357-08:00I agree that we should try to cut down immigration...I agree that we should try to cut down immigrations, but in the meantime, Guns Matter. The 2nd Amendment matters. Unless all of you want ONLY the government and the criminals to have guns, then it is very very important to support Republicans, because, despite all their other flaws, they are pro 2nd Amendment = pro the private ownership of guns.<br /><br />The older I get, the more I think that gun rights is the single most important issue in the US. It's the defining difference between us and the sheep of Europe. It's the bedrock without which our other "freedoms" are meaningless. <br /><br />For what it's worth, I've never owned a gun (in fact, I'm practically a vegan). But I'm a proud NRA member, and I think it's important to elect Republicans for that reason alone. I also urge anybody who worries about immigration, crime, and government powers to support the NRA and the pro-gun politicians. Learning to shoot, which I've never gotten around to, is also a good idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57425888843086975682009-11-04T15:34:08.053-08:002009-11-04T15:34:08.053-08:00Men at Work had some pretty good songs: "Who ...Men at Work had some pretty good songs: "Who Can it Be Now?", "Down Under" and (my favorite) "Overkill". I never heard anyone describe them as a great band though.aliasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35388264037337113472009-11-04T15:32:37.074-08:002009-11-04T15:32:37.074-08:00STDv nails what I was getting at in my ealier (mor...STDv nails what I was getting at in my ealier (more) anonymous comment. It's not so much an "overcoming white racism" meme as a "black progress = American progress" meme that the young have internalized.aliasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18795921501300748472009-11-04T15:24:24.595-08:002009-11-04T15:24:24.595-08:00Obviously the best way to achieve revolution in a ...Obviously the best way to achieve revolution in a democracy (which opends the door to displacement and control of the native population as per the New World Order) can be summed up in a two-pronged plan:<br /><br />A. give women the vote<br /><br />B. give children the vote<br /><br />George Soros & Co can biologically and culturally remake even a place like Afghanistan in a scant two or three generations IF parts A. and B. of the plan are enacted.Unreconstructednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8545272795473767262009-11-04T14:48:50.519-08:002009-11-04T14:48:50.519-08:00I heard Bob McDonnell in an interview last week sa...<i>I heard Bob McDonnell in an interview last week say "we need to increase legal immigration". </i><br /><br />They're saying similar things about Mr. Hoffman who lost the congressional race in upstate NY. <br /><br />Hoffman's a Lib Lib Libertarian "conservative," a more-the-merrier immigration advocate. <br /><br />He may not be much more conservative than the Democrat who won.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91764820787215790502009-11-04T14:44:29.555-08:002009-11-04T14:44:29.555-08:00Carter, I am just speaking from my own experiences...Carter, I am just speaking from my own experiences. I know folks on this blog disagree but then ya'll aren't really mainstream these days. Throughout my work and studies friends and acquiantances rarely if ever mentioned the 1965 Immigration reforms. And my circle is more conservative politically than you might expect.Pissed Off Chinamannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16205856131426591542009-11-04T14:23:19.037-08:002009-11-04T14:23:19.037-08:00> folks of my generation generally get along pr...> folks of my generation generally get along pretty well with people of other races and ethnicities. <<br /><br />All young generations get along better (not well) with other races and ethnicities than older generations do. It's when the younglings mature and start forming their own conclusions from experience that the picture begins to sour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35691537270944271452009-11-04T14:04:25.651-08:002009-11-04T14:04:25.651-08:00Consequently, we are also not invested in repealin...<i>Consequently, we are also not invested in repealing the 1965 Immigration Act and bringing back the national origins quotas for immigration to the US.</i><br /><br />It's a little disingenuous to use "we" here. <br /><br />POC, you have a tendency to use that pronoun a bit too broadly and liberally.Carternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72709458983776586912009-11-04T13:51:41.083-08:002009-11-04T13:51:41.083-08:00Obama was a total fad to younger voters. Thank goo...Obama was a total fad to younger voters. Thank goodness his star is fading fast. The grownups are voting now. 2010 will be very interesting.<br /><br />I went to college in the early 80s. Men Without Hats was always considered lightweight. U2 would have easily been voted greatest band in the early 80s.Carolynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91548483023735260242009-11-04T13:45:56.918-08:002009-11-04T13:45:56.918-08:00I agree that young people are not be as guilt ridd...I agree that young people are not be as guilt ridden over slavery or other historic racial injustice that we were not involved in. However the reason for this is because folks of my generation generally get along pretty well with people of other races and ethnicities. <br /><br />Consequently, we are also not invested in repealing the 1965 Immigration Act and bringing back the national origins quotas for immigration to the US.Pissed Off Chinamannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61946834713250135822009-11-04T12:56:12.179-08:002009-11-04T12:56:12.179-08:00"If this is just more "low tax, pro-life..."If this is just more "low tax, pro-life, pro-gun, Pro-Amnesty, ignore repealing the 1965 Immigration Act Republicans" then the GOP wins yesterday were very, very bad for the future of Ameirca and good for the future of Mexifornia."<br /><br />Wrong attitude. It is impossible to get rid of either legal or illegal immigration legislatively because both parties are committed to to it. But Republican victories can:<br /> A. Piss off liberals<br /> B. Prevent amnesty<br /><br />Eventually, the American economy will collapse and then we can deal with immigration. But not before. In the mean time, lets just work on pissing off liberals and making life as uncomfortable as possible for the illegals who are here.Otis the Sweatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570181387899609995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11589669315334457142009-11-04T12:18:47.803-08:002009-11-04T12:18:47.803-08:00To paraphrase Duane Hickman in Cat Ballou, "a...To paraphrase Duane Hickman in Cat Ballou, "ain't never seen an Administration go by so fast."Henry Canadaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78916296431750047702009-11-04T11:49:59.325-08:002009-11-04T11:49:59.325-08:00What the PUA's call "herbs"--well-me...What the PUA's call "herbs"--well-meaning nice guys who care about the world 'n stuff--got little or no traction out of wearing "Corzine" buttons in front of their feminist would be girlfriends. Corzines (OMG! I am SORRY!!!! Make that Corzine's)homely,fat,arrogant puss brings out the idealism in nobody except his slob money grubbing pals and wets the panties of very few co-eds! People are scared of the high unemployment,the defecits--even the ignorant Amer. public is learning about defecits with this clown in office!!--and ramming thru stuff like health care. Fear,as Vince Lombardi said,is a great motivator. Uhm,wait. No,he said"Fatigue makes cowards of us all." Or was that Soupy Sales? Regis Philbin?I dont know. You get the point.joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62920881677814223082009-11-04T11:17:32.763-08:002009-11-04T11:17:32.763-08:00> I'm convinced that the perception of youn...> I'm convinced that the perception of young people buying the white guilt thing is largely an observation of a relatively few young public loud mouths, who get more attention and press than they deserve. <<br /><br />Sadly, as young people get older and more invested in the System, they inevitably become more conformist about its standards. Wait until they're 30. You'll see a great deal of black anger and white "noblesse oblige" then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56915007952628004782009-11-04T10:44:15.822-08:002009-11-04T10:44:15.822-08:00BTW, CNN has a new video with Obama's half bro...BTW, CNN has a new video with Obama's <a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-york-times-blows-obamas-half.html" rel="nofollow">half brother, Mark</a>:<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHU5dY7Of-M" rel="nofollow">youtube.com</a> <br /><br /><a href="http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/11/president-obamas-half-brother-mark.html" rel="nofollow">freedomslighthouse.com</a> <br /><br /><br />From watching him and listening to him speak, I see no evidence in support of any IQ 120/130/140 presence in the Obama family.<br /><br />And from listening to him play the piano, my guess would be that William Ayers invented all that nonsense about Gustav Mahler.<br /><br />PS: I don't have any [close] personal experience with broken families in my own life [only the numerous tangential encounters that everyone has nowadays], but I find it fascinating to watch these broken-family megalomaniacs like Obama and Clinton disown [or refuse to ever even acknowledge] their half-siblings.<br /><br />I believe that Slick Willie has some half-siblings whom he still [to this day!] has never met.<br /><br />Or at least purported half-siblings - no one is entirely certain just who Slick's biological daddy really was. [And, truth be told, the Dunham-Obama link is itself rather tenuous.]<br /><br />I can't imagine learning that I had half-siblings and not seeking them out and bringing them into the family.<br /><br />[Or learning that my Aunt was on welfare as an illegal alien, or that another half-brother was struggling through a subsistence-level existence in a mud hut with a cardboard roof...]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com