tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4689959710681728427..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: My VDARE FAQ on IQUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84184263366674654942007-12-05T02:28:00.000-08:002007-12-05T02:28:00.000-08:00Sailer: So they are just trying to postpone the da...Sailer: <I>So they are just trying to postpone the day of reckoning on which it becomes widely understood that they are fools, liars, and smear-artists by silencing anyone like Watson who speaks up.</I><BR/><BR/>There will be no "day of reckoning", because it's the New York Times etc. that decide who the "fools, liars, and smear-artists" are. <BR/><BR/><I>If</I> new evidence will show that the IQ gap is substantially genetic, and if the liberal establishment accepts this, then people like Watson and Charles Murray and, uh, you, might even be smeared as "premature hereditarians" -- analogous to those called "premature anti-fascists" (i.e., presumed commies) in the 1950s because they had opposed fascism before World War 2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44140766147682787772007-12-04T14:37:00.000-08:002007-12-04T14:37:00.000-08:00The time and space that vdare.com devotes to IQ sc...<I>The time and space that vdare.com devotes to IQ score and race could be spent on the theat asian legal immigration poses to Euro-Americans.</I><BR/><BR/>Hi, Jupiter, nice to know you're still around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6327826019735975822007-12-04T14:11:00.000-08:002007-12-04T14:11:00.000-08:00Steve, might want to throw in a mention of regress...Steve, might want to throw in a mention of regression to the mean too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50198575116083882742007-12-04T11:33:00.000-08:002007-12-04T11:33:00.000-08:00one typo... "Are there differences in average SAT ...one typo... "Are there differences in average SAT scores among racial groups?" should be Are there differences in average IQ scores among racial groups?", correct?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32471299683754786292007-12-04T07:36:00.000-08:002007-12-04T07:36:00.000-08:00Great article, Steve. I vote that this always sta...Great article, Steve. I vote that this always stays at the top of the pile here and at Vdare.com for newbies.<BR/><BR/>As for the description of black intelligence by Goat, I think many people have noticed the:<BR/><BR/>"...typically feminine, more subjective cerebral skills like<BR/>verbalization, emotional intuition and expression, sense of rhythm..."<BR/><BR/>My theory is that for some reason blacks have less brain lateralization than people from other races which means that the hemispheres are less dedicated to the specific tasks associated with them i.e. spatial vs verbal. <BR/><BR/>I've read that it's the hormones in the womb more than the hormones that we produce as males and females that determines brain organization. I've also read studies on iSteve demonstrating an IQ difference between mixed race blacks depending on if the mother was white or black seem to bear this out. As for what this means? Maybe black men will tend to function better in jobs that women do well. But that sensitivity to feelings supposedly typical of black males, I haven't noticed it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18953991629907673402007-12-04T06:03:00.000-08:002007-12-04T06:03:00.000-08:00Steve,Peripheral question: why do you keep claimin...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Peripheral question: why do you keep claiming that 'proficient' as it relates to No Child LB means 'above average' rather than just competent or skilled (which also don't mean 'above average')?<BR/><BR/>There are several reaons why NCLB is a weak initiateive, but incorrectly defining one of its aims does not seem very useful as an argument against it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1834476343651055842007-12-04T05:47:00.000-08:002007-12-04T05:47:00.000-08:00IQ correlates most with Openness among the Five Fa...IQ correlates most with Openness among the Five Factor personality traits. Not so much with Conscientiousness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57839686692909341812007-12-04T04:49:00.000-08:002007-12-04T04:49:00.000-08:00"they are often better attypically feminine, more ..."they are often better at<BR/>typically feminine, more subjective cerebral skills ..": golly, is that why I find American Football so camp?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80260435527699808802007-12-04T04:44:00.000-08:002007-12-04T04:44:00.000-08:00I thought vdare.com was an immigration reform webs...I thought vdare.com was an immigration reform website. The case against legal and illegal immigation doesn't require a discussion of IQ test scores and race. <BR/><BR/>It is enough to state that non-white Legal and illegal immigration will over time reduce the majority Euro-American population to a racial minority and that this coudn't possibly be in the interest of Euro-Americans.<BR/><BR/>Euro-America did quite well prior to the massive influx of post -1965 legal immigrant asians.<BR/><BR/>If Marcus Epstien wants to have a serious debate about IQ scores and race he should invite Princeton philosopher Phillip Kitcher or the Philosophy Guys-two Stanford University professors of philosophy who specialize in the Philosophy of Science-who host a weekly radio show on Philosophy.<BR/><BR/>How did Euro-America ever manage create a spce program and put several Euro-American Men on the man without the Legal immigrant Asians?<BR/><BR/>How did the "less" intelligent Euro-America ever manage to destoy the Japanese during WW11.<BR/><BR/>The time and space that vdare.com devotes to IQ score and race could be spent on the theat asian legal immigration poses to Euro-Americans.<BR/><BR/>Steve-and Peter-how do you both feel about the fact that the California State University system is now 40 percent Asian. Do you both approve of this? Indifferent to it?<BR/><BR/>So what do you say Marcus Epstien? How about inviting the aforementioned philosophers?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>iAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45115339758610400422007-12-04T02:18:00.000-08:002007-12-04T02:18:00.000-08:00Of course, back on Earth, there's a rather high de...<I> Of course, back on Earth, there's a rather high degree of correlation between Math and Verbal scores. The only time you see an 800 on the Math test combined with a 200 on the Verbal test is from somebody who just got off the plane from Seoul. </I><BR/><BR/>Where "just got off the plane from Seoul" is linked to Cho Seung Hui. <BR/><BR/>That's a pretty cheap shot. Koreans have generally low rates of crime and high rates of law abidance. A guy with an 800M and a low verbal score is a lot more likely to be a nerdy engineer than a crazed serial killer. <BR/><BR/>Also, Hui didn't have language difficulties; he got a 540 Verbal and 620 math (see <A HREF="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.governor.virginia.gov%2FTempContent%2FtechPanelReport-docs%2F8%2520CHAPTER%2520IV%2520LIFE%2520AND%2520MENTAL%2520HEALTH%2520HISTORY%2520OF%2520CHOpdf.pdf&ei=3SdVR-C9NaWaoQSqyuzhCA&usg=AFQjCNHwtEvNZrLpRlyLdb2X5xLih5-_7A&sig2=JZYIxbp9TbHItctdH-9DXg" REL="nofollow">here</A>)<BR/>His problem was that he was just crazy. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, that kind of link strikes me as the sort of thing someone like Brenda Walker might have inserted -- not really your style.<BR/><BR/>If VDare really wanted to hit Asian immigrants for something, there *are* areas where you can make a factual case. Especially among Chinese immigrants, espionage and possibly influencing our elections (e.g. Clinton stuff) are among them. But the idea that Asian nerds are shooting up the place is pretty laughable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59847668556648353472007-12-03T23:51:00.000-08:002007-12-03T23:51:00.000-08:00"If African Americans are better at subjective, im..."If African Americans are better at subjective, improvisatory<BR/>responses than they are at objective problem-solving ..."<BR/><BR/>This 'better subjective, improvisatory responses' begs to be delved; what<BR/>could go into it, less permeable ego? A bigger corpus callosum (access<BR/>to the right brain)? From the "subjective, improvisatory" link:<BR/><BR/>"Interestingly, while blacks tend to be more masculine in physique and<BR/>personality than whites or East Asians, they are often better at<BR/>typically feminine, more subjective cerebral skills like<BR/>verbalization, emotional intuition and expression, sense of rhythm,<BR/>sense of style, improvisation, situational awareness, and mental<BR/>multi-tasking."<BR/><BR/>Ironically, as AI gets stronger and moves into the workplace (say,<BR/>over a decade or three), demand might well shift from objective<BR/>problem solving to the black strengths of 'situational awareness' and people-handling.rainy_dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14988377881664865258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86868184807399138062007-12-03T22:44:00.001-08:002007-12-03T22:44:00.001-08:00anonymous 9:48 -That's just a first guess, since i...anonymous 9:48 -<BR/><BR/>That's just a first guess, since intelligence is not actually continuous, but generated by discrete genes and their interactions, and groups A and C have been operating under different selection pressures for a few generations as well. But it's a good lead, at any rate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78312358309107611372007-12-03T22:44:00.000-08:002007-12-03T22:44:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.rainy_dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14988377881664865258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74110753474546771692007-12-03T22:42:00.000-08:002007-12-03T22:42:00.000-08:00Different Philip Roth...Different Philip Roth...Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3430830709755187382007-12-03T22:29:00.000-08:002007-12-03T22:29:00.000-08:00Quite good.I noticed you linking to an article on ...Quite good.<BR/><BR/>I noticed you linking to an article on Roth's scare story about Hitlerndbergh. I defended Charles Lindbergh <A HREF="http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.com/2007/10/02/what-was-so-bad-about-charles-lindbergh/" REL="nofollow">here</A>.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1643463943492802242007-12-03T21:48:00.000-08:002007-12-03T21:48:00.000-08:00If group a has an average IQ of 70, group B has an...If group a has an average IQ of 70, group B has an average IQ of 100, and group C is a genetic mixture of 17.5% group B and 82.5% group A, then you would expect group C to have an IQ of 75.25; Since group C has an IQ of 85, you could argue that the cause of the IQ difference between groups B and C is 35% genetic and 65% environmental.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com