tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4903095530676271112..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: John McWhorter on the Ricci caseUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83447423239765729612009-05-09T11:05:00.000-07:002009-05-09T11:05:00.000-07:00"Uh, Troof, Buj's 1981 study used the Cattel Cultu..."Uh, Troof, Buj's 1981 study used the Cattel Culture Fair Test and found an average IQ of 80 for the Ghanaian sample (from Accra) and 97 for the Irish sample (from Dublin)."<br /><br />IQ rejectionists--I think "Truth" is one from quick glances--have fun at Irish expense quite often. The British are fond of Irish jokes too. <br />The Irish IQ may be a cue for dysgenic fertility and excessive immigration of the smartest because I don't think persons of Irish descent are known for low IQs here (they just act like it sometimes), but the rural and religious nature of the place, till recently, counts for something. You find similar IQs in other still predominantly rural areas of Europe, such as the Balkans; probably Portugal as well. Urban life alone seems to raise the average IQ by 5-10 points. I don't think it's just a case of smarter people going to the cities, because as the entire country loses most of the rural base, the IQ stablizes toward what the urban IQ is.<br /> In the early days of IQ testing it was noted that 1st gen immigrant Scandinavians, almost all from rural backgrounds, scored about 88-90. Their immediate descendants were much higher and within in the normal range.<br />I suspect that Africans who attend school and negotiate urban life, are somewhat higher than the 65-69 averages that seem so appallingly low, just not that much higher for the purpose of first world requirements--70s and low 80s tops. Black university students in South Africa tested in the upper 80s to low 90s, putting them one standard deviation above their norm, just as college students in this country (at least those who are admitted by merit) average 115 one standard deviation above the American average. It is quite possible that the generally higher IQs of American blacks, compared to Africans, are more due to environment than white genes, because most blacks here don't really look like they have much European ancestry. According to census taking in the last 19thy centry, early 20th, 90% of the blacks in the southern states were unmixed blacks. I guess since then they may have mixed more among themselves--mulattos were a separate class then.<br />Michelle Obama is typical as far as black American phenotype, and she does not give evidence of much admixture.<br />I know people don't always display all their ancestry in their looks, but what is predominant usually is what shows. Hence we know what our "extended families/race" is. <br />While I accept genes are of utmost importance, pervasive environmental influences do contribute enormously as well know. I just don't think people realize fully the country mouse/city mouse dichotomy.dc watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53220360702901458082009-05-08T15:37:00.000-07:002009-05-08T15:37:00.000-07:00Every criticism of affirmative action should cite ...Every criticism of affirmative action should cite the Malone case. <br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/09/us/boston-case-raises-questions-on-misuse-of-affirmative-action.html?pagewanted=all<br /><br />Philip and Paul Malone are fair-haired, fair-complexioned identical twins who worked for the Boston Fire Department for 10 years. Last month both were dismissed when a state agency ruled that they had lied on their job applications: They had contended they were black. The finding has sent shock waves through the city government, touching off charges that employees of other agencies may have misused plans designed to remedy past discrimination against black and Hispanic workers.<br /><br />Last week the Administration of Mayor Raymond L. Flynn began to investigate the race and ethnic background of the hundreds of workers hired as members of minority groups over the past decade by the Fire, Police and School Departments.<br /><br />City Councillor Bruce C. Bolling, who called for city and state investigations, said in an interview last week: ''These instances show a glaring lack of verification of claims of minority status by the state, which monitors Civil Service exams and hiring. They call into question the integrity of the city's affirmative action. And clearly, there was culpability in the Fire Department.<br /><br />''How,'' he asked, ''could twins with Irish names, Caucasian features and no black identification from any perspective get into the force and stay on without collusion?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80683362928359419962009-05-08T14:29:00.000-07:002009-05-08T14:29:00.000-07:00Troof said:
"Buj (1981) showed Ghanaian adults to...Troof said:<br /><br />"Buj (1981) showed Ghanaian adults to score higher on a ‘culture fair’ IQ test than did Irish adults; scores were 80 (Ghanaian) and 78 (Irish), respectively"<br /><br />Uh, Troof, Buj's 1981 study used the Cattel Culture Fair Test and found an average IQ of 80 for the Ghanaian sample (from Accra) and 97 for the Irish sample (from Dublin). In all nations, the sample was drawn from adults from the national capital city, so they many not be representative of the nations as a whole. Other nations average IQs tested in the Buj study are:<br /><br />Austria (Vienna) - 101, Belgium (Brussels) - 99, Britain (London) - 100, Bulgaria (Sophia) - 94, Czech Rep. (Prague, then Czechoslovakia) - 98, Denmark (Copenhagen) - 99, Finland (Helsinki)- 99, France (Paris) - 94, Germany (Bonn) - 107, Greece (Athens) - 95, Hungary (Budapest) - 98, Italy (Rome) - 102, Netherlands (Amsterdam) 107, Norway (Oslo) - 100, Poland (Warsaw) - 106, Portugal (Lisbon) - 101, Spain (Madrid) - 98, Sweden (Stockholm) - 104, Switzerland (Bern) - 101Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58065288275170458422009-05-08T05:58:00.000-07:002009-05-08T05:58:00.000-07:00No, it was the "culture fair" IQ test in 1981.
ht...No, it was the "culture fair" IQ test in 1981.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn<br /><br />"Other studies have found that blacks in Africa with a good education score better on IQ and other standardized tests than do whites. Crawford-Nutt (1976) found that African black students enrolled in westernized schools scored higher on progressive matrix tests than did American white students. The study was meant to examine perceptual/cultural differences between groups, and demonstrated that one’s performance on western standardized tests correspond more closely with the quality and style of schooling that one receives more so than other factors.[37] Buj (1981) showed Ghanaian adults to score higher on a ‘culture fair’ IQ test than did Irish adults; scores were 80 (Ghanaian) and 78 (Irish), respectivelyTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2543793946026945812009-05-07T14:35:00.000-07:002009-05-07T14:35:00.000-07:00"This in and of itself throws a monkey-wrench into..."This in and of itself throws a monkey-wrench into the whole IQ is innate theory, doesn't it?"<br /><br />What really throws a monkey wrench in is that no one has ever said that IQ is completely innate. But you already knew that. <br /><br />"There was one IQ test on which the Irish scored a 78."<br /><br />What a great citation! You're probably referring to the Goddard paper from 1917, and you probably heard of it through Gould. Gould's version of what that paper says has nothing to do with reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15514877432173050782009-05-07T09:25:00.000-07:002009-05-07T09:25:00.000-07:00Average blacks on the street are well aware of thi...<I>Average blacks on the street are well aware of this fact and talk about it openly.</I> <br /><br />I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. My father was something of a race-realist (just hated PC BS, really), so every once in a while I'd gingerly broach the subject, or at least steer a conversation that way with my black friends. In my experience, blacks don't talk about it openly with whites. But, I did get the impression that they know, and don't want to talk to us about it. Maybe they do talk about it with one another often, but I doubt it's in any kind of direct, honest way (way too high an Uncle Tom factor there).<br /><br />Blacks probably don't dwell on it, but are smart enough to recognize the teevee land fantasy for what it is, what with reality staring them in the face. Which suggests whites who encounter blacks in any numbers are overwhelmingly aware of reality (what with having far less personal reasons for denying it).Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52820993230030930292009-05-07T08:49:00.000-07:002009-05-07T08:49:00.000-07:00* The point about repetition is very important - t...<I>* The point about repetition is very important - the bottom half of our nations g distribution (regardless of race) would be a lot better served by the education system if more emphasis was placed of constant drilling and repitition of the 3 Rs and basic life skills.<br /></I>One can view the current sad situation in public education as a deliberate attempt by certain cognitive elites to ensure their offspring have no competition, going forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40655513955520476332009-05-07T08:21:00.000-07:002009-05-07T08:21:00.000-07:00This is the impression I have. A lot of guys here ...<I>This is the impression I have. A lot of guys here pour out their sexual frustration. I imagine they are losers and combined with the giddy way they bring up demerits of blacks and others, they probably are using hbd as a self esteem boost.</I> <br /><br />An unfortunate projection - you can see no other motive than the one that would make sense for <I>you</I>...Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74562284529697535032009-05-07T08:19:00.000-07:002009-05-07T08:19:00.000-07:00"f you are black and you grew up summering in one ..."f you are black and you grew up summering in one of the small upper class black communities on Martha's Vineyard, then, yes, you'll do pretty well on average. You might do better on average than whites who never heard the word "summer" used as a verb."<br /><br />This in and of itself throws a monkey-wrench into the whole IQ is innate theory, doesn't it?<br /><br />"ts ridiculous. We can admit that blacks can run faster and jump higher on average than Asians, but we cannot admit that Asians just might, maybe, possibly, perhaps, could, have a CHANCE at being better at mathematical ability than blacks."<br /><br />I agree, this double standard is ridiculous and harmful to all.<br /><br />"We have to make CERTAIN to prove our society isn't "racist", that x-amount of blacks get hired at the RAND corporation, NASA, and the Defense Department in mathematical-related jobs relative to asians, but we dont have to make sure that asians get hired in jazz quartets, football teams, basketball teams,"<br /><br />That's a chimera, because Asians don't complain about their exclusion from jazz quartets etc. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.<br /><br />"perhaps forcing them to do some things that they are not gifted at naturally."<br /><br />No one is forced to give up anything; if you pass the medical bar, you will get a job as a doctor somewhere. <br /><br />"But if he was looking for evidence, surely he could find some. What about those rural, dialect- or Celtic-speaking communities in the British Isles?"<br /><br />There was one IQ test on which the Irish scored a 78.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85615763378917925862009-05-06T23:49:00.000-07:002009-05-06T23:49:00.000-07:00"but you can circle the globe and not find a black..."but you can circle the globe and not find a black who thinks they are, on average, less intelligent"<br /><br />Average blacks on the street are well aware of this fact and talk about it openly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43614018831739305342009-05-06T22:26:00.000-07:002009-05-06T22:26:00.000-07:00Duscany said...I've often thought that my 21 year ...<I>Duscany said...I've often thought that my 21 year old (white) son had a very style very similar to that of blacks. He has traditionally had considerable difficulty learning from the printed page but he is incredibly verbal, attuned to nuance and tone, and extremely good and wildly articulate in oral arguments.</I>Blacks (as a group) are wildly articulate in oral arguments??? That claim is mendacious. Blacks are rewarded for their talents in this society and that is why they are paid mountains of money for their athletic and musical prowess. If they were "wildly articulate in oral arguments" then they would dominate the oral argument fields of endeavor (or at least hold atheir own), but they do not hold their own in those fields.<br /><br /><I>I have also often thought that this gap between oral and written ability is one reason blacks are so pissed at IQ, work and placement tests. It seems so totally wrong and unfair to them that some wimpy white guy who couldn't hold a candle to them in any personal setting nevertheless consistently outscores them on any written test. That's why black advocates complain so loudly that the tests must be biased. Their own perception is they are far superior in presence and charisma to the whites with whom they are competing. Yet the whites score higher and get the job.</I>Blacks do not excel at logical and reasoned debate. The media talk shows on this planet make a special effort to include any blacks who can hold their own in open debate, and very few perform well.<br /><br />Steve has a Black Verbal Prowess Theory based on trash talking (not one of his best offerings), but trash talking is not logical and reasoned debate. And, no, rap is not debate either.<br /><br /><I>I once heard an instructor at Cal State Long Beach make a similar complaint. He had a big class with a couple of articulate blacks who dominated class discussion and he was so pleased with them. But then they took the mid-term and their performance was dismal. He wondered how he could have been so wrong about their academic abilities. He finally concluded he had been totally seduced by their presence and self-confidence, while ignoring the quality of their arguments.</I>Maybe this instructor's head was just so full of PC koolade that he wasn't really listening to their arguments at all. It's called Magic Negro Syndrome and it afflicts SWPL's like the plague. This entire mythology springs from a white intellectual hive that has little or no actual contact with blacks. But in the movies and television that whites watch every day and night, blacks are portrayed as veritable mean street poets and masters of verbal communications. Meanwhile, out on the streets of the real world, blacks are largely ignored or disrespected, and people with any street smarts do not listen to them, let alone stand in awe of their "wildly articulate oral arguments".<br /><br />It is telling that societies around the world with no significant population of SWPLs do not engage in this nonsense. They do not put blacks on a pedestal. SWPLs are working out some very deep psychological trauma that is a result of the Stockholm Syndrome programming of mainstream education and media in the white Western nations.Marionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58799282832867402912009-05-06T20:12:00.000-07:002009-05-06T20:12:00.000-07:00"So are you saying that if after training on the t..."So are you saying that if after training on the tests the black scores increased more than the white ones, it would not suggest anything? If the ability to solve novel problems can be taught, then it suggests that it is significantly a cultural trait. It would also explain why groups who previously scored low on IQ tests now score higher."<br /><br />You're missing the point. G is important because it is predictive of real world behavior. The operational basis of g appears to be working memory and the speed and efficiency/consistency of the conduction of electrochemical impulses in the brain (processing speed and accuracy). Both of these are under tight genetic control.<br /><br />The reason g is predictive of performance in a wide range of mental activities is because most complicated activities draw on working memory and information processing speed and accuracy. (See Geary, The Origin of Mind). Processing speed and working memory are useful in skill acquisition in two ways. First, they speed up skill acquisition. Second, there are some skills that people below a certain measure of g cannot master (think of it like trying to run a program on a computer with insufficient RAM and/or processing speed). Provided a task is not too difficult, as in the case of reading and basic math skills (as opposed to higher mathmatics), people of varying levels of g can master such skills. However, the time and effort necessary can vary considerably.<br /><br />Studies have shown that even things like the rate of learning to be proficient at the Tetris video game is g-loaded. Tetris isn't all that hard and most people can become fairly good at it. The main difference between high and low g people is that high g people pick up proficiency much faster. The point is, as long as you're dealing with tasks that aren't highly complex (like basic educational proficiency standards), you can often teach people of fairly low g to become fairly proficient in them with lots of repetition,* but in the real world, if one aspires to a respected white collar job like a lawyer, doctor, engineer, accountant, higher educator, etc. (and some skilled trades), one has to be able to pick up on and solve a wide array of novel problems that one is confronted with and no type of education can be comprehensive enough to teach one to deal with all of them in advance. You may be able to teach people techniques and give them practice in solving various types of IQ problems and their scores will probably rise significantly, but there is a lot of evidence that these skills are not very transferable to other types of problems (i.e., your premise that we can effectively teach low g people to solve novel problems is false; we can teach them how to solve specific types of problems, but this doesn't carry over into other domains). <br /><br />The sad situation (for blacks, whites, and America in general) is that black-white differences in mental performance are mainly differences in g (note that this isn't the case for all inter-ethnic differences in aptitude tests) and for every one of the numerous biological correlates of g for which there are data to compare whites and blacks, the differences are invariably in the direction indicating blacks should be less well endowed with g. (see, e.g., Jensen 1998, Rushton and Jensen 2005).<br /><br />* The point about repetition is very important - the bottom half of our nations g distribution (regardless of race) would be a lot better served by the education system if more emphasis was placed of constant drilling and repitition of the 3 Rs and basic life skills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12645979641660957622009-05-06T19:31:00.000-07:002009-05-06T19:31:00.000-07:00"For example, Jazz Music, highly complex, abstract..."For example, Jazz Music, highly complex, abstract, and taught by rigorous musical instruction AND theory was largely created by Blacks. From a population that was only 12% of the US."<br /><br />Jazz rose in the late 1800s in speak easys and dance halls of the Gulf area. The creators were classically trained musicians, many from the mixed blood class, of whom many had studied in Europe. I don't have stats, but this is not something I made up. It is in the mainstream history for the past few years. I learned about this on a genealogical trip to New Orleans to investigate some mulatto ancestors. The mulatto class was actually very mixed, many of them white looking "passe blancs." Quite a few were supported and educated by white fathers and these were the "black" musicians who were sent to Europe for their education since they couldn't go far in the U.S., especially the South. <br /> After the Civil War, the mulattos lost their special status. Musicians who had played in mulatto orchestras (and white ones), were now classed as "black" and were segregated.<br /> I am not an expert or a fan of jazz, but I am told by those who are, that for someone schooled in classical music, the similarities of structure and composition are clear. May be why jazz was so popular in Europe, especially eastern Europe, where so many people were brought up playing instruments and schooled in classical music.<br /> So, yes, in a way "blacks" (more often mulattos really) created jazz. However, it could never have come to pass if centuries of classical European tradition had not preceded it, not to mention the instruments.<br /> btw, indigenous African music is often quite melodic and beautiful. I never thought I liked any black music, except for some Motown, until I heard music indigenous to Africa. I have to admit I was surprised.<br /> Black American spirituals are taken straight from Scottish and British hymns (a black historian discovered this though it was always obvious to anybody who had ever heard Scottish dirges), and sung with black voices and style which made them sound way different from the way whites would do them. Amazing Grace is pure Celtic dirge and was written by a white sailor who felt guilty about being in the slave trade. His ship was saved during a storm and he repented. But then the Star Spangled Banner was a drinking song. People just found the words. The melodies have always been wafting around.<br />I once listended to a traditional Irish band who played an ancient Irish melody that was exactly the dirge-like tune of "Eyes on the Prize." <br /> Quite frankly, I think the most purely black "musical" expression in American music may be rap. It uses no european instruments or melody of any kind. Just their thumping voices.<br />I suspect if any truly great black music arises in America, it may be as a result of African influences.rising sonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23126373349186617782009-05-06T19:01:00.000-07:002009-05-06T19:01:00.000-07:00I've often thought that my 21 year old (white) son...I've often thought that my 21 year old (white) son had a very style very similar to that of blacks. He has traditionally had considerable difficulty learning from the printed page but he is incredibly verbal, attuned to nuance and tone, and extremely good and wildly articulate in oral arguments. <br /><br />I have also often thought that this gap between oral and written ability is one reason blacks are so pissed at IQ, work and placement tests. It seems so totally wrong and unfair to them that some wimpy white guy who couldn't hold a candle to them in any personal setting nevertheless consistently outscores them on any written test. That's why black advocates complain so loudly that the tests must be biased. Their own perception is they are far superior in presence and charisma to the whites with whom they are competing. Yet the whites score higher and get the job.<br /><br />I once heard an instructor at Cal State Long Beach make a similar complaint. He had a big class with a couple of articulate blacks who dominated class discussion and he was so pleased with them. But then they took the mid-term and their performance was dismal. He wondered how he could have been so wrong about their academic abilities. He finally concluded he had been totally seduced by their presence and self-confidence, while ignoring the quality of their arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18539111605112774282009-05-06T16:20:00.000-07:002009-05-06T16:20:00.000-07:00Should I be surprised at the race of the offenders...<I>Should I be surprised at the race of the offenders?</I> <br /><br />This story should be plastered all over national news, reenacted on TV, made into an episode in a crime drama, etc. The kid should be a national hero and do the talk show circuit, shake hands with all the politicians, get endorsement deals, etc.<br /><br />Instead it'll be swept under the rug. Yeah, we're a healthy nation.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47282905462632987722009-05-06T16:07:00.000-07:002009-05-06T16:07:00.000-07:00Seems like the first question to ask in situations...Seems like the first question to ask in situations like this is, "how do we distinguish this <I>alternative to</I> IQ from a <I>proxy for</I> IQ?<br /><br />If it's persistent and incorrigible, I'm going to need a very good reason to buy into this alternative.<br /><br />Basically, if we can't run from it or defeat it, how are we any better off for using the theory?Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43673140311558304402009-05-06T15:54:00.000-07:002009-05-06T15:54:00.000-07:00Come to think of it, maybe the never-ending AA bat...<I>Come to think of it, maybe the never-ending AA battles are just a wanted distraction from crimes being committed in broad daylight.</I> <br /><br />Sorta like global warming, er, I mean climate change...Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73525503365401855252009-05-06T15:43:00.000-07:002009-05-06T15:43:00.000-07:00"I find it hard to believe that black American kid..."I find it hard to believe that black American kids are not used to understanding direct questions such as "When did you come home last night?" or "Can you lend me a dollar?""<br /><br />When did you come home last night?<br /><br />"I was out with Steve. His sister hurt her foot."<br /><br />You raise a good point Lemmus. Part of this is caused by the personality traits that are common at the time these kids are being tested. Believe me, 14-18-year-olds are really good at missing the point of simple questions. The kids at my school are virtuoso at getting the "feel" of a sentence, and constructing an answer that gets across one idea at any given time or place, "Don't worry, you can trust me, I haven't done anything wrong." AFAIK they never get punished for being evasive, since you can never prove they didn't "just misunderstand".<br /><br />"I need to talk to my science teacher."<br /><br />Do you have a hall pass?<br /><br />"I'll only be gone a second. He knows I'm coming!"<br /><br />It's not racial, but if you only observed blacks you might think so. I've known plenty of white kids with fine "language arts" skills who can't understand a simple question, because they've been conditioned to regard wishy-washy oral exchanges as being can't-lose situations - if it's oral, there's no record of who said what - while written exchanges are very dangerous by comparison. To lack the ability to respond in writing to a simple written question - <I>that</I> is evidence of low cognitive ability (with the usual caveats about extreme environmental deprivation).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6926495940750358542009-05-06T14:34:00.000-07:002009-05-06T14:34:00.000-07:00"Anybody who cannot tell that Asians are innately ..."Anybody who cannot tell that Asians are innately usually better at mathematics than most other races is willfully denying the overwhelming evidence to the contrary."<br /><br /><br />Umm, what exactly is this "overwhelming evidence" which you speak of?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55531031049677990972009-05-06T13:55:00.000-07:002009-05-06T13:55:00.000-07:00"Actually, no it doesn't. G is about adaptibility ..."Actually, no it doesn't. G is about adaptibility to solve novel problems. G is also the key element in a tests predictive validity for real world phenomena because, in real life, you have to solve novel problems, particularly in activities associated with high status occupations and endeavors. You can teach tests and increase scores, but the gains are hollow (i.e., they are not indicative of higher ability - see Wicherts, among others)."<br /><br />So are you saying that if after training on the tests the black scores increased more than the white ones, it would not suggest anything? If the ability to solve novel problems can be taught, then it suggests that it is significantly a cultural trait. It would also explain why groups who previously scored low on IQ tests now score higher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33192992415550744002009-05-06T13:51:00.000-07:002009-05-06T13:51:00.000-07:00"Or compare white and black kids who were adopted ..."Or compare white and black kids who were adopted and raised by white parents in white communities, see if there's any difference in average scores."<br /><br />There was a lot of problems with that study, including later placement for the black kids and their coming from more problematic homes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25910604383421132352009-05-06T13:23:00.000-07:002009-05-06T13:23:00.000-07:00Some blurb on McWhorter says:
He has also written...Some blurb on McWhorter says:<br /><br /><I>He has also written a book on dialects and Black English, The Word on the Street, and three books on Creole languages.<br /></I>Sigh. Only in America could someone be so narrowly focussed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42158574737515801142009-05-06T13:06:00.000-07:002009-05-06T13:06:00.000-07:00In his latest response to Saletan at TNR, Prof. Mc...In his latest response to Saletan at TNR, Prof. McWhorter <A HREF="http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/mcwhorter/archive/2009/05/05/saletan-responds-ok-let-s-try-this.asp" REL="nofollow">writes</A> --<br /><br /><I>What legislation would have Steve Sailer's imprint? What steps can we imagine... via which we would get to a point where black people were routinely herded apart as mental deficients</I>?<br /><br />and<br /><br /><I>As for the moral copout Sailer-types wait for, where we eliminate all efforts to help black people out of a conclusion that they are beyond assistance because of genetic inferiority</I>.<br /><br />I've read some of Sailer's policy suggestions, such as on "Citizenism", micronutrient supplements for poor African children, and improving the overall quality of teachers in mostly-black urban schools.<br /><br />I can't recall encountering his proposals that:<br /><br />-- black people be treated as mental deficients.<br /><br />-- black people be herded apart.<br /><br />-- all efforts to help black people be ended on the grounds of their being beyond assistance.<br /><br />I would be very interested in reading the articles that apparently form the basis of Prof. McWhorter's opinions. Perhaps he could be asked to supply the citations that back up his charges?AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69514365367298255742009-05-06T11:46:00.000-07:002009-05-06T11:46:00.000-07:00I'm confused! McWhorter says blacks do less well b...I'm confused! McWhorter says blacks do less well because of their lesser ability to read,based on their lower socioeco status. But the test is NOT hard to read;its very simple plain English that anybody could read-they are not asked to reflect on Martin Buber or something. Its just hard to answer. Understanding the questions is fairly easy;if you dont,then you're either very low in literacy,or really dumb. Figuring out the answers is the hard part. McWhorter seems all too smug and confident in his opinion. People should make sure theyre right before they get smug and confident...heh heh heh!joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29476189276701951772009-05-06T11:32:00.000-07:002009-05-06T11:32:00.000-07:00"How about a vote on who wants illiterate firefigh..."How about a vote on who wants illiterate firefighters?"<br /><br />Well, it wouldn't work for me, but it would be great for you!And voting? It is such a messy process, better to have policy settled in a courtroom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com