tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4953186427286441266..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: IslamophobiaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43785328402987011282010-10-30T05:53:38.929-07:002010-10-30T05:53:38.929-07:00"Hitchens was not moved to write against any ..."Hitchens was not moved to write against any mullah as extensively and bitterly as he has written against Mother Teresa, for example."<br /><br />Hitchens has written against various mullahs in his articles. He has also denounced Gandhi which is a big no-no for leftists. Let's not forget that it was Hitchens who coined the silly term Islamofascism. He does treat Christianity harsher and he does have certain limits as to how hard he will criticize Islam, he has denounced Orianna Fallaci for her Islam books for example. However, it is clear that Hitchens is not easy on Islam. Sam Harris is another one of these professional atheists who is hard on Islam. The rest, including Dawkins, not so much.<br /><br />Hitchens's obsession with Mother Theresa was entirely out of spite. He did not want her to become canonized and he was going to great lengths to smear her good reputation and the best way to get the word out was to publish a book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46438291274382814182010-10-29T21:05:38.605-07:002010-10-29T21:05:38.605-07:00"Serbs have more of a chip on their shoulder ..."Serbs have more of a chip on their shoulder then Bosnian muslims do"...<br /><br />Hmm... how about we let Serbs drop bombs on America for 78 days just like America did to Serbia. How about we let the Serbs knock down all the bridges across the Potomac like America knocked out all the bridges across the Danube. How about we let Serbia detach Texas and California from America like America detached Kosovo from Serbia. <br /><br /> Then we'll see if Americans have a "chip" on their shoulders....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83089309955046460732010-10-29T16:18:41.968-07:002010-10-29T16:18:41.968-07:00One thing missing from our ongoing discussion of t...One thing missing from our ongoing discussion of terrorism, crime, etc., is the distinction between the middle and tails of a distribution. <br /><br />How people vote, how likely they are to be in poverty, how much common crime (theft, drug dealing, wife-beating, most murders) they commit, how people do in school--all that's best understood in terms of averages, the middle of the distribution.<br /><br />Which people will become terrorists, rock stars, serial killers, great athletes, successful politicians, Nobel prize-winning scientists--all that's best understood in terms of the tails of the distribution. Those are extreme outliers. <br /><br />The tricky part is, it's pretty hard to get much of a handle on the tails of a distribution in the real world. If you randomly sample 300 likely voters, you can learn a lot about how the whole population will vote. But you probably won't learn a damned thing about how likely it is that someone will try to blow up a polling station, even if people planning such a thing would answer your survey honestly--those people are too rare to find in small samples. <br /><br />Terrorism (and genius) is all about outliers. Knowing the middle of the distribution surely says something about that, but probably not all that much.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43477166730767715532010-10-29T14:34:59.701-07:002010-10-29T14:34:59.701-07:00"Turkey: 90, 90
Bosnia and Herzegovina: N/A, ..."Turkey: 90, 90<br />Bosnia and Herzegovina: N/A, 90<br />Azerbaijan: 87, 87 <br />Iran: 84, 84<br /><br />Sorry, but those numbers just don't cut the mustard."<br /><br />Sorry, but those numbers aren't accurate. For example, Iran is only 50% Persian and if you think their IQ is equivalent to American blacks, then you are an idiot. Turkey probably is in the low 90's because of all of the Kurds who are bringing down their avg IQ and of course, the hicks. The secular Turks however are much smarter and I imagine that they would easily match the European avg if you controlled for wealth.<br /><br />"Without Whites, Pacific Rim Asians, and Brahmin/Zoroastrians to run the show [globally], those countries would very quickly succomb to the likes of cholera, dysentery, tuberculosis, and polio."<br /><br />I don't know why you keep repeating this mantra. Brahmin and especially Zoroastrian achievement is insignificant. Brahmins win spelling bees. Big fucking deal. And can you name one recent Zoroastrian achievement that has benefited humanity? I can't think of one. Japan in the last 50 years has accomplished more than the Brahmins and Zoroastrians have in thousands of years. Brahmins and Zoroastrians are well off and they have a high IQ but money and IQ does not mean that their civilization is on the same level as the Western European or Sinic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47689319655792919652010-10-29T13:53:34.607-07:002010-10-29T13:53:34.607-07:00Well, I got to know several muslims on the west co...Well, I got to know several muslims on the west coast, and I have to say I like them for the same reason I liked Howard Stern - they have a healthy disdain for blacks. Best quote I ever heard about "the community" was from an Arab cab driver in Berkeley: "there's something wrong with those people."not a hackernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79007147510254297882010-10-29T12:32:25.470-07:002010-10-29T12:32:25.470-07:00Muslims are the new gays, i.e. the new protected c...Muslims are the new gays, i.e. the new protected class whom liberals have pronounced innocent and oppressed as a group. <br /><br />As usual, this is not because they love Muslims (although they will begin to as time goes by) but because they loath the average American who fears Muslims. Google the term "oikophobia" It explains so many of liberals' attituds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4372499683311012562010-10-29T12:00:10.486-07:002010-10-29T12:00:10.486-07:00>it's clearly Islam, not Christianity, that...>it's clearly Islam, not Christianity, that's their real nemesis<<br /><br />That's a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie" rel="nofollow">Big Lie</a> if I ever heard one. Hitchens was not moved to write against any mullah as extensively and bitterly as he has written against Mother Teresa, for example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78320475687471642512010-10-28T22:56:01.243-07:002010-10-28T22:56:01.243-07:00For example, some might argue that Christian Serbs...<i>For example, some might argue that Christian Serbs have more of a chip on their shoulders than Bosnian Muslims, so that could be a counterexample.</i><br /><br />I don't doubt this. After having the West take every other ethnic group's side during the dissolution of Yugoslavia, and having NATO bomb and dismember Serbia proper, I can understand why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27778436073638291792010-10-28T18:29:54.619-07:002010-10-28T18:29:54.619-07:00Angle responded by sending flowers to Behar with a...<i>Angle responded by sending flowers to Behar with a note touting<br />that she raised $150,000 that day.</i><br /><br />Hahahaha, I love it.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9171615236902675692010-10-28T17:28:21.187-07:002010-10-28T17:28:21.187-07:00I believe that once those atheist ninnies attempt ...<i>I believe that once those atheist ninnies attempt to arrest a Muslim cleric.</i><br /><br />The close-mindedness of doctrinaire atheists is supremely ironic when you consider the way they pride themselves on being "free thinkers."Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59189930495199543312010-10-28T17:25:42.741-07:002010-10-28T17:25:42.741-07:00To set the Robert Wrights straight, "contact ...To set the Robert Wrights straight, "contact theory" can result in one of four outcomes:<br /><br />(a) I was positively predisposed to Group X and having interacted with Group X my positive predisposition was confirmed.<br /><br />(b) Pos predisposed/discomfirmed<br /><br />(c) Negatively predisposed/confirmed<br /><br />(d) Neg predisposed/discomfirmed<br /><br />Of course there's nothing set in stone here, since attitudes among humans can and do change. And there's the question of what is meant by "having interacted with" -- with five people over two hours; daily with hundreds over yeras; etc.<br /><br />But the point -- which everyone "knows" -- is there's really nothing inherent about exposure that will ensure one likes another group. <br /><br />Elvisd,<br /><br /><i>As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be, for the most part, regarded as a peaceful and loving minority and not much as a threat to others. This is the case in:<br /><br />America 0.6%<br />Australia 1.5%</i><br /><br />Wrong. They're not spread out evenly. They're concentrated in parts of cities in which they form either dominant pluralities or outright majorities. Very few who have had ongoing interaction with them have very much positive to say about them. As usual, people flee, achieve some distance, and <i>then</i> (from that distance), diversity can start to look "kinda cool" again.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86667926849398416432010-10-28T16:54:04.048-07:002010-10-28T16:54:04.048-07:00"None of Algeria, Tunisia, or Libya could pos..."None of Algeria, Tunisia, or Libya could possibly produce an Augustine - their average IQs are simply too low."<br /><br />The Chinese have a high IQ, have they produced an Augustine yet?<br /><br />"Carthage [with its native inhabitants] was once akin to Beijing, Moscow, Paris, London, or New York."<br /><br />And Athens used to be the most intellectual city in the world and now it's a noisy dump.<br /><br />"Islam is the destroyer of cultures, the destroyer of nations, the destroyer of peoples, the destoroyer of the intellect."<br /><br />Islam doesn't destroy the intellect. It may not be as adventurous as the Western tradition but the elite do value education. Animist religions in places like Africa are far worse. You don't see many Muslims eating people or burning child "witches".<br /><br />"Everywhere that Islam spreads, it destroys, and sets the people back by [literally] tens of thousands of years."<br /><br />It tears down the old Christian/Hindu/Zoroastrian order, yes. But it's silly to imply that Islam contributed nothing to the sciences. Take the optical field for example, lots of Muslim contributions. Yes they don't compare to European and Chinese contributions but who does?<br /><br />"If whites and Pacific-Rim Asians and Central Asians like the Brahmin and the Zoroastrians were suddenly to disappear from the face of the earth, it might take Islam 40,000 or 50,000 years to re-create the civilization we left behind [if Islam could even allow itself to develop in that direction in the first place]."<br /><br />I don't know. The Turks, Bosnians, Azeris and Persians are pretty smart. They would do fairly well I think. Places like Pakistan and Somalia would be in trouble though. There are different types of Muslims, they aren't all like the Afghan goat herders. And it would depend on the politics. Would they be ruled over by someone like Ataturk or Khomeini?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18455164143801962392010-10-28T16:28:26.471-07:002010-10-28T16:28:26.471-07:00"I don't think you have good reason to &q..."I don't think you have good reason to "seriously" doubt it. There's no straight line between whiteness and civilization. Ukraine's been damn white for over a thousand years but, come on, what can they really be said to be noted for? Hereditary factors (ie race, but not just race) are one thing but there's a lot more that goes into a civilization."<br /><br />Fair enough and I agree. But even if Islam never passed through North Africa, I think it would have been more likely that it would have remained a Mediterranean backwater instead of it magically turning into Martha's Vineyard because the population was Christian. Does Islam hinder civilizational development? Yes. But Christianity and whiteness don't necessarily promote it either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29989497906101599762010-10-28T11:19:40.774-07:002010-10-28T11:19:40.774-07:00"In the UK the "new atheism" is a c..."In the UK the "new atheism" is a coded response to Islam, not Christianity. Dawkins and co go to great lengths to present themselves as "equal opportunity" opponents of religion. But it's clearly Islam, not Christianity, that's their real nemesis."<br /><br />I believe that once those atheist ninnies attempt to arrest a Muslim cleric.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72251025691062484812010-10-28T08:58:44.311-07:002010-10-28T08:58:44.311-07:00Whiskey/EvilNeocon/Testing99
The main problem wit...<i>Whiskey/EvilNeocon/Testing99<br /><br />The main problem with Islam is polygamy... (it) creates an excess group of males that MUST act aggressively as raiders to carry off women from other groups... it also ensures poverty by making women ill-educated, isolated, and unproductive. </i><br /><br />I thought your standard neocon deflection was to blame decadent Western women for all the West's pathologies and your own purportedly frustrated singledom?<br /><br />The way you describe Islam, it seems to be the solution to the root problem you claim is tearing down the West and condemming you to lonely betadom: out of control Western Womyn.<br /><br />At least as the Arab raider-type Muslim convert you envision, you have an outside chance of procreation in this world. If your raid fails, 72 comely virgins await you in the afterlife for trying. What's not to like from what you claim is your position.El Al Neocon Whiskeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91672848621243625232010-10-28T08:53:52.478-07:002010-10-28T08:53:52.478-07:00I seriously doubt that [those n. african cities co...<i>I seriously doubt that [those n. african cities could ever have amounted to much]. They weren't Europeans before they converted to Islam. If anything, Algeria and Tunisia got whiter due to the white slave trade.</i><br /><br />I don't think you have good reason to "seriously" doubt it. There's no straight line between whiteness and civilization. Ukraine's been damn white for over a thousand years but, come on, what can they really be said to be noted for? Hereditary factors (ie race, but not just race) are one thing but there's a lot more that goes into a civilization.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70341009254364970832010-10-28T08:38:12.503-07:002010-10-28T08:38:12.503-07:00Can't help noticing that most of the "nic...<i>Can't help noticing that most of the "nice Muslims" people know are engineers, professional people, highly secular, non-religious, etc.</i> <br /><br /><br />Most terrorist Muslims, at least in the West, are also professional, highly educated people.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61136128748645978492010-10-28T05:43:04.801-07:002010-10-28T05:43:04.801-07:00In "Beyond Belief," Naipaul... writes th...<i>In "Beyond Belief," Naipaul... writes that... "in the Islam of converted countries there is an element of neurosis and <b>nihilism</b>..."</i> <br /><br />Bingo.<br /><br />That's why The Left [to include folks like <a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/09/invite-invade.html" rel="nofollow">Wieseltier</a> or <a href="http://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=prince+charles+muslim" rel="nofollow">Prince Charles</a>] welcomes the Muslims into Europe and America - because nihilism seeks out nihilism.<br /><br />These folks recognize and understand one another on a very visceral level that many [hopefully most?] of us just can't comprehend - they are destroyers of humanity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42170416188945088512010-10-28T05:11:01.927-07:002010-10-28T05:11:01.927-07:00I'm sure a lot of people have seen this, and n...I'm sure a lot of people have seen this, and no, it's not "scientific and has a hysterical tone that will make some eyes roll, but from what I see in the news over the last 20 years, it's not an alltogether inaccurate reflection of Islam in the world<br /><br />As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be, for the most part, regarded as a peaceful and loving minority and not much as a threat to others. This is the case in:<br /><br />America 0.6%<br />Australia 1.5%<br />Canada 1.9%<br />China 1.8%<br />Italy 1.5%<br />Norway 1.8%<br /><br /><br />At 2-5%, they begin to convert other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups. Particularly from jails, prisons, and thuggish street gangs. This is occurring right now in:<br /><br />Denmark 2%<br />Germany 3.over 9000%<br />UK 2.over 9000%<br />Spain 4%<br />Thailand 4.6%<br /><br /><br />From 5-8%, they exercise in excessive influence to proportion of their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of 'Halal', which is clean food by Islamic standards. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature Halal on their shelves, along with threats for failure to comply. This type of behavior is happening every day in:<br /><br />France 8%<br />Philippines 5%<br />Sweden 5%<br />Switzerland 4.3%<br />Trinidad and Tobago 5.8%<br /><br />At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves within their ghetto under Sharia, the Islamic law. The ultimate goal of the Islamist is to establish a law over the country, and essentially the entire world.<br />When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as the means for complaint about their current conditions and/or the way they are being portrayed in the media. In Paris, they're already seeing a vast increase of car burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Muslims, and results in uprising and threats-- such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Muhammad, cartoons, and films exposing Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:<br /><br />Guyana 10%<br />India 13.4%<br />Israel 16%<br />Kenya 10%<br />Russia 15%<br /><br /><br />After reaching 20%, nations can expect extreme rioting, Jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues. This happens, EVERY SINGLE DAY in:<br /><br />Ethiopia 32.8 %<br /><br />At 40%, the country experiences widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and a steady increase in ongoing militia warfare, such as:<br /><br />Bosnia 40%<br />Chad 53.1%<br />Lebanon 59.over 9000%<br /><br /><br />From 60%, nations experience persecution of all non-believers (including non-conforming Muslims), scattered ethnic cleansing, usage of Sharia law as a weapon, and Jizya. This happens in:<br /><br />Albania 70%<br />Malaysia 60.4%<br />Qatar 77.5%<br />Sudan 70%<br /><br /><br />After 80%, expect DAILY intimidation by violent Jihads, ethnic cleansing on a national scale, and even some genocide as these nations drive out the infidels and progress toward a 100% Muslim population. These wicked, violent nations include:<br /><br />Iran 98%<br />Iraq 97%<br />Bangladesh 83%<br />Egypt 90%<br />Gaza 86.1%<br />Indonesia 86.1%<br />Jordan 92%<br />Morocco 98.over 9000%<br />Pakistan 97%<br />Palestine 99%<br />Syria 90%<br />Tajikistan 90%<br />Turkey 99.8%<br />United Arab Emirates 96%<br />Now, you would think that the country would FINALLY see peace at 100%, right? WRONG! The most dedicated, radical Muslims CONTINUE to intimidate, spew hatred, and satisfy their bloodlust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons. The countries that are under the full influence of "Allah" include:<br /><br />Afghanistan 100%<br />Saudi Arabia 100%<br />Somalia 100%<br />Yemen 100%<br /><br /><br />And those were not even recent statistics. Those were made a year ago. See where every country stands with the most recent statistics here, which shows America up .8% from last year: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/re...centage-muslimalexishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958611059030729965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86425749842234928292010-10-28T02:12:42.624-07:002010-10-28T02:12:42.624-07:00"There's not just the obvious examples of..."There's not just the obvious examples of Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt [Alexandria] - just look at what Islam has done to Roman Africa [to include Mauretania and Numidia]:...<br /><br />Any one of those towns - Lepcis Magna, Carthage, Hippo Regius, Caesaria - ought to be at least a Miami, a Corpus Christi, a Newport Beach, or a Martha's Vineyard."<br /><br />I seriously doubt that. They weren't Europeans before they converted to Islam. If anything, Algeria and Tunisia got whiter due to the white slave trade.<br /><br />"The real exception are the albanians, but there it's more ethnic than it is religious."<br /><br />Definitely ethnic. The relation between Christian and Muslim Albanians are good and unlike the Lebanese, the Christian population isn't necessarily better behaved/smarter than the Muslim population. Christian Albanians also have blood feuds.<br /><br />"However problematic turks in germany might be, turks in turkey (at least in the more modern parts, eg Istanbul, Izmir) are very, very nice people."<br /><br />The Turks in Germany are hicks. Secular Turks make fun of them all the time. City Turks are indeed very nice and they tend to be very white due to their Greek and Slavic admixture. The only problem with them is that due to their fierce nationalism they tend to get very defensive about Islam even if they are atheists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46057428731519790552010-10-28T01:44:59.935-07:002010-10-28T01:44:59.935-07:00"Turkiye is a major tourist destination for E..."Turkiye is a major tourist destination for Europeans. How does this mesh with your question?"<br /><br />Because it's the most secular Muslim country on the planet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37101082424487366932010-10-28T01:44:30.506-07:002010-10-28T01:44:30.506-07:00The Maldives would be the most tourist-oriented ma...The Maldives would be the most tourist-oriented majority Muslim country?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10680238699016031572010-10-27T21:58:31.411-07:002010-10-27T21:58:31.411-07:00Steve, Turkey is rapidly casting off its secular c...<i>Steve, Turkey is rapidly casting off its secular constraints imposed by Ataturk and morphing into just another Muslim country. I loved Turkey when I traveled there frequently a number of years ago, and I'm still welcomed exuberantly at local Turkish restaurants for my minimal knowledge of the language, culture, and cuisine, but I don't think I'd feel terribly comfortable in the Turkey of today.</i><br /><br />More devoutly Muslim people from the interior of Anatolia (Alevis, Kurds, etc.) have considerably higher birth rates than the secular Turks in the western part of the country, who in many respects make me think of nominally-Muslim Italians.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16543166195248531782010-10-27T21:29:39.629-07:002010-10-27T21:29:39.629-07:00Most of this comment thread could better be summed...<i>Most of this comment thread could better be summed up by two aphorisms I've adopted from Alt Right websites: Diversity + proximity = War and Tribalism + democracy + stupidity = racist idiocracy.</i><br /><br />Add one more: a doctrinaire antiracist and his territory are soon parted.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68184964872297150012010-10-27T21:28:04.301-07:002010-10-27T21:28:04.301-07:00I'm just trying to look for geographically clo...<i>I'm just trying to look for geographically close comparisons across religious lines. For example, some might argue that Christian Serbs have more of a chip on their shoulders than Bosnian Muslims, so that could be a counterexample.</i><br /><br />Turks and slavic muslims across the balkans don't have a chip on their shoulder. They're actually quite deferential to christians, partaking in christian feasts, wishing them merry christmas and happy easter for example. Believe it or not, relations between mainstream bosniaks (muslims) and serbs were very good before the war. Of course, there were always nationalist undercurrents and when these rose to the fore people were forced to takes sides and then all bets were off (which just highlights the inherent instability of "diversity"). <br /><br />The real exception are the albanians, but there it's more ethnic than it is religious. Albanians are some backward people even for a region that is backwards (wrt europe) itself. For example, many rural albanians adhere to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanuni_i_Lek%C3%AB_Dukagjinit" rel="nofollow">Code of Lek Dukagjini</a>, which results in lifelong blood feuds like <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3216606.ece>this</a>.<br /><br />However problematic turks in germany might be, turks in turkey (at least in the more modern parts, eg Istanbul, Izmir) are very, very nice people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com