tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4963762771178193956..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Can you game the Census form?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1264551479773579592010-03-24T11:32:18.918-07:002010-03-24T11:32:18.918-07:00Census ought to be called noncensus.Census ought to be called noncensus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54867757118995977702010-03-24T06:29:53.291-07:002010-03-24T06:29:53.291-07:00Assuming Steve is right, what should mixed race (s...Assuming Steve is right, what should mixed race (say white and Asian, seemingly the most common) put down? I've got a slew of them living in my house.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62920714395135346932010-03-23T16:56:39.919-07:002010-03-23T16:56:39.919-07:00I've only glanced through the form, which was ...I've only glanced through the form, which was addressed to "Resident." I thought this Census was going to be anonymous, and that all they wanted was a body count. Do they really think they're going to get these illegals (here in the Bronx) to fill out this form with names and their telephone numbers? I thought the point was to make the form illegal-friendly. <br /><br />On the same day, accompanying the Census form, and preaching its virtues, I received a promotion piece from my State Senator. It includes the photo of a very black man with heavy Negroid features, a white woman (blonde, of course), and a mixed race child. All smiling and happy! Is this supposed to illustrate the varieties of races that might be in a given household? Which box would they check for the kid?<br /><br /><i> ... Nor for that matter "Arabs" or "Persian" </i><br /><br />Come to think of it, why not these categories? Which categories would they be in on this Census form? Considering all the Arabs that are now here, how will they be counted? We also have a substantial population of Iranians.Victoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06823851448364528821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51526267787894250352010-03-23T13:31:06.103-07:002010-03-23T13:31:06.103-07:00The Feds do this for housing NAMs. From HUD "...The Feds do this for housing NAMs. From HUD "Housing Goals '96 - '09" , FHFA (the agency that regulates Fannie and Freddie) page 4:<br /><br />"The third home purchase goal will <br />target borrowers who reside in low-income areas (tract income not greater than 80 <br />percent of the area median income) and below median-income borrowers in high- <br />minority, moderate-income tracts (borrower’s income is no greater than the area median <br />income, tract population is at least 30 percent minority and tract median income is less <br />than the area median income)."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83448708551803074062010-03-23T11:25:01.145-07:002010-03-23T11:25:01.145-07:00Hey, isn't it possible to change last names? W...<i>Hey, isn't it possible to change last names? We should all Hispanicize our last names, mark ourselves as Hispanic on the census, and get affirmative action.<br /><br />So, Stevo Sailer would be Steve Sailerez.<br />John Smith would be Juan Smithez.<br />Jared Taylor would be Jared Tayloria.<br />Paul Gottfried would be Pablo Gottfriedieto.</i><br /><br />Just thinking out loud, but haven't liberals disarmed themselves of their best weapon against this gambit? You know, because they all say race is a social construct? Hard to tell someone who changes his social construct to something else that he isn't now as "disadvantaged" as all the other social constructs.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82238257476484270002010-03-23T11:15:32.967-07:002010-03-23T11:15:32.967-07:00Steve, I think you are wrong on this. Really large...<i>Steve, I think you are wrong on this. Really large scale inaccurate race choices would send a signal of civil disobedience. That's a useful signal to send.</i><br /><br />Sending a useful signal of civil disobedience doesn't have to be coupled to filling in, for example, "Native American" when your family's been here since the 1600s.<br /><br />How about just putting "White, AKA Second Class Citizen" or something?Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22665266767719497402010-03-23T10:03:42.882-07:002010-03-23T10:03:42.882-07:00Notice that despite the ever expanding list -- bre...Notice that despite the ever expanding list -- breaking out each major Asian national group -- they still do not break out "Jewish". Yet that's a pretty clearly racially and culturally distinct group. <br /><br />Nor for that matter "Arabs" or "Persian" ... nothing until you actually get to the sub-continent. And even there since it's listed "Asian Indian" i'm not sure how many Pakistanis or Bangladeshis are going to use it -- even though it's clearly the intended racial category. (Hmm, come to think of it a friend of mine's in this category, i'll ask him what he's going to do.)<br /><br />It strikes me the only justification here is sociological data collection. And if that's what you're doing then you should offer all the obvious "national origin" choices out there as racial options. Ask religion too, both as cultural and practicing. And immigration generation. If we're getting data, let's get good data.AnotherDadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9715487702130768802010-03-23T08:55:50.151-07:002010-03-23T08:55:50.151-07:00Steve is probably right, however I refused to be c...Steve is probably right, however I refused to be categorized as "Non-Hispanic White". I'm white, damn it. Ant the most significant thing about my racial category is NOT that I am NOT hispanic.<br /><br />"Chief Seattle said...<br />Writing in American is a useful protest vote. If enough people did it, the authorities would have to figure out why people don't want to identify as "white". If not enough people do it, it's a cheap thrill for those that do."<br /><br />Actually I do want to identify as "white", but I find I am not so keen on the title "American".<br /><br />Regarding the other questions on the census, does anyone know of some web-sites that discuss, from a legal point of view, what we can get away with - i.e., how do we answer as few of the questions as possible within the letter of the law? Not the law as we think it ought to be, but the law as it is. Any ideas?Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44221691709460970922010-03-23T08:04:15.576-07:002010-03-23T08:04:15.576-07:00The funny thing is that whites and Asians are the ...The funny thing is that whites and Asians are the most likely to actually comply with the census and send the dang thing in. So, as percentages in the initial count, you get whites and Asians slightly overrepresented, and blacks and hispanics underrepresented. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall when the initial count comes in? All of the handwringing and behavior excusing would be pretty amusing.read ithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631238731651674916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13240328504233356792010-03-23T07:59:02.097-07:002010-03-23T07:59:02.097-07:00Sad American said...
On the census, they ask ...Sad American said...<br /><br /> On the census, they ask if you are of hispanic origin. I don't like that because it makes hispanic the center of gravity of American demographics. <br />--------<br />I'm assuming they ask it this way because, when given a choice between "Hispanic" and "White", about half of Latinos will say they are white. As one Latino bureaucrat told me once when I asked him, politely why a particular man was called "white" when he was largely Indian (and clear descriptiveness was in order), "Latinos are of the white race, but Hispanic ethnicity". <br />He took this question of mine to mean I was questioning the "whiteness" of Latinos and he didn't appreciate it one bit. <br />Steve has mentioned this before and I got to witness it first-hand.Dahlianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69885725167749498072010-03-23T07:26:53.789-07:002010-03-23T07:26:53.789-07:00here are the questions from the original census.
...here are the questions from the <a href="http://www.censusfinder.com/1790-census.htm" rel="nofollow">original census</a>.<br /><br />yes, it does ask about race: white or other. all of you who think this race business is new should think again.<br /><br />some ppl elsewhere have mentioned the 4th amendment as reason not to fill out the census. <i>Morales v. Daley</i> determined that it's not a valid reason.<br /><br />finally, why on earth would you ever want to diminish the numbers of your own group on something like this? as steve says, you only benefit the minorities by doing so. but wait, i am a minority so ... please don't be counted!pzednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40974593814665762452010-03-23T06:43:14.973-07:002010-03-23T06:43:14.973-07:00In other news, it sure is hard to figure out the r...In other news, it sure is hard to figure out the race of the Philly Flash Mob from published reports. This is a crowd of hundreds that beat people silly and knocked out teeth, all of the same race, and it's unmentionable. But let some 16 year old play a stupid prank that hurt some black people's feelings, and it's jail time.Chief Seattlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90222064498317468132010-03-23T06:31:25.529-07:002010-03-23T06:31:25.529-07:00My friend's dad joked that he used to put &quo...My friend's dad joked that he used to put "American" down to tick off the census until he realized that the only people who did that were other white men. He said didn't want them to know his political beliefs as well, LOL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16244230610266797202010-03-23T06:18:25.191-07:002010-03-23T06:18:25.191-07:00Just answer the number of persons living in the re...Just answer the number of persons living in the residence, you know the U.S. Constitutional requirement. Everything else is intrusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19970819404015012772010-03-23T06:16:46.162-07:002010-03-23T06:16:46.162-07:00The law requires that you identify yourself and gi...The law requires that you identify yourself and give the number of persons in the household when responding to the census. <br /><br />That is all. <br /><br />Everything else on that form is beyond the law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61628133876216211882010-03-23T05:36:05.211-07:002010-03-23T05:36:05.211-07:00Imagine a Hollywood movie today with a bureaucrat ...<i>Imagine a Hollywood movie today with a bureaucrat asking a sympathetic character, "What's your race? You own anything, I mean anything tangible?"</i><br /><br />LOL, but scary...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28817082514211021842010-03-23T04:38:19.864-07:002010-03-23T04:38:19.864-07:00“In general, the people who benefit from disparate...“In general, the people who benefit from disparate impact / affirmative action have spent a lot more time thinking about how to rig the system in their favor than you have about how to game it in yours.”<br /><br />You can say that again. The simple Census questionnaire yields only three bits of information. <br /><br />1. How many people live in each political jurisdiction<br /><br />2. What their race and thnicity is<br /><br />3. Whether they own the own homes.<br /><br />Filling out mine, it felt like my first date with a Jewish girl. “So do you rent or do you own?” I was expecting the next question to ask if I was a dentist.<br /><br />From this bare sketch of the population the government is only able to a) allocate legislative representation and Federal aid by population, and b) allocate other privileges by race and ethnicity. <br /><br />Combine data from 2 and 3, and you can figure home ownership by race and ethnicity. The attempt to remedy inequalities in these rates helped produce the worst purely financial catastrophe in 75 years.<br /><br />Thirty years ago, I was involved in a government consulting project that proposed combining the results of detailed Census questionnaires with detailed tax filings. The idea was to unite, at the individual level, Census data on characteristics of families with IRS data on their behavior, income, savings, consumption patterns and so forth. The combination would have been an economist’s, marketer’s and statistician’s dream, making it possible to run regressions at the highly granular level of families, rather than by aggregations of people.<br /><br />No go. Both individual files were to be ‘masked’ somehow, that is, not allowing anyone to identify the actual individuals involved. But both IRS and Census said no, they could not allow their data to be released outside their agencies in any other form than their own statistical summaries. The bureaucrats responsible for these collections are actually super-conscientious about possible misuses of their data. But they cannot stop the politicians from ordering the collection of data that serves the politicians’ purposes.Henry Canadaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56235098560543594532010-03-23T03:23:45.623-07:002010-03-23T03:23:45.623-07:00It seems the best approach for whites and mostly-w...It seems the best approach for whites and mostly-whites is to put white on the census form, but when applying for a job claim to be a member of a privileged minority group such as black or Hispanic. Since your putative employer wants to increase their non-white quota, they're unlikely to investigate your claim too hard.Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68221195575784077002010-03-23T03:20:53.351-07:002010-03-23T03:20:53.351-07:00Speaking of ancestry, Footnote.com is allowing fre...Speaking of ancestry, Footnote.com is allowing free access to all the US Census records they have online for free, for a limited time.Tommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38658969039311111502010-03-23T01:07:15.154-07:002010-03-23T01:07:15.154-07:00Wasn't it Joseph Sobran who wrote, "Diver...Wasn't it Joseph Sobran who wrote, "Diversity is legalized discrimination against white men"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70803842866072876052010-03-23T00:45:33.275-07:002010-03-23T00:45:33.275-07:00One little mentioned fact about the Census is that...One little mentioned fact about the Census is that U.S. citizens residing in foreign countries, unless they are federal employees or their dependents (primarily military and state department employees), are generally not counted in the Census at all. <br /><br />For example, some people think that Utah lost out on having an additional congressman following the 2000 Census because so many of its young people were living out of state serving as Mormon missionaries. Those serving in the U.S. would have been counted in the state where they were serving, while those serving overseas were not counted at all (provided that their families did not erroneously list them as living at home). Retired people living in Mexico or elsewhere or individuals employed by private businesses in other countries were also left out of the Census.<br /><br />There were some attempts in the past to encourage Americans to voluntarily complete an overseas Census form, but obviously they were not legally required to do so, and the attempts were not very successful. These attempts were abandoned after 1980. I would not be surprised if Barack Obama and his mother were not included in the 1970 Census when they were living in Indonesia.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05873725834964842463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-92123910035804319322010-03-22T23:59:14.005-07:002010-03-22T23:59:14.005-07:00"In the original Census of 1790, the informat..."In the original Census of 1790, the information requested was simply the number of persons in each household and the name of the head of each family. That’s it."<br /><br />This is not entirely correct. It did ask about the numbers of free males 16 or older vs under 16, the number of females, the number of slaves, and it also listed each person's race. Other questions were gradually added to the Census through 2000. The 2010 Census will actually be the shortest Census form since the early 19th century.<br /><br />James Madison, serving in Congress in 1790, proposed unsuccessfully that the Census also list whether people were employed in agricultural, commercial, or manufacturing work. In 1800, the American Philosophical Society, under its president Thomas Jefferson, again proposed that the Census gather information about the employment characteristics of the U.S. population. Both of these proposals were rejected, with many people raising the same objections to government invasiveness that some raise today.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05873725834964842463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28563007662792151542010-03-22T23:32:57.374-07:002010-03-22T23:32:57.374-07:00uh-oh, Sailer-Bait!!!
--> http://roomfordebat...uh-oh, Sailer-Bait!!! <br /><br />--> http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/using-quotas-to-raise-the-glass-ceiling/ <br /><br /><br />Quotas for women in upper management.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47958827241093001172010-03-22T23:24:07.926-07:002010-03-22T23:24:07.926-07:00@ddvveerti: "Hey, isn't it possible to ch...@ddvveerti: "Hey, isn't it possible to change last names? We should all Hispanicize our last names, mark ourselves as Hispanic on the census, and get affirmative action."<br /><br />There's no need to make your last name Spanish-sounding. Hispanic doesn't mean you have a Spanish-sounding last name, or that you are Spanish or Mestizo, or that you speak Spanish.<br /><br />Marking yourself as Hispanic on a census won't get *you* affirmative action - that's not how the census works. <br /><br />Marking yourself as Hispanic for a job or a university admission or Gates millennial scholarship can make a difference for *you*, though.Anthonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1996337040338363302010-03-22T22:45:14.560-07:002010-03-22T22:45:14.560-07:00Census Is For Counting Not Prying
The constitu...<a href="http://vdare.com/baldwin/100319_census.htm" rel="nofollow">Census Is For Counting Not Prying</a> <br /><br /><em>The constitutional requirement for the Census is found in Article. I. Section. 2. Paragraph. 3. "The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."<br /><br /><strong>The purpose of the Census is that of counting the US population in order to apportion among the states the number of representatives in the US House of Representatives. That’s it. Nothing more. Nothing less.</strong><br /><br /><strong>There is nothing in the Constitution requiring or even suggesting questions regarding race, ethnicity</strong>, whether one owns or rents his or her home, income status, disability status, education, or anything of the sort. <strong>The only purpose of the Census is to count the US population. Anything beyond that is nothing more than an intrusive government prying and snooping into our lives</strong>: something the federal government is doing with greater and greater frequency and intensity these days. <br /><br />...<br /><br />In the original Census of 1790, the information requested was simply the number of persons in each household and the name of the head of each family. That’s it. Accordingly, when I filled out my Census form earlier this week, <strong>the only information I provided was my name (as the head of my household) and the number of people living in my home. The rest of it I left blank.</strong><br /><br />Furthermore, the idea that the information gathered about us via the unconstitutional and invasive Census form will not be shared with anyone is so ludicrous it is laughable. <strong>The federal government passes around virtually everything it learns about us to any number of departments and agencies. Does anyone really believe that all the information obtained with this unconstitutional Census form will be locked away in a vault somewhere, never to be used or shared?</strong> What a crock! Why, the federal government cannot even ensure that its own employees will abide by its own rules.<br /><br />...<br /><br />By the way, should a Census worker come to my home and demand that I answer the questions I left blank, <strong>I will simply plead my 5th Amendment/Miranda rights to "remain silent."</strong> What are they going to say to that? ...</em>El Caudillonoreply@blogger.com